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Astros at Dodgers – Nothing But Brown Sky
« on: May 17, 2010, 02:49:58 am »
Read all about my brief but thrilling athletic career in today's Dodgers Series Preview. Remember to wear a cup.

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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2010, 08:04:54 am »
Outstanding, Craig.
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2010, 08:43:25 am »
I like that little glimpse into Bastard history.  The contrast between your straight ahead, fuck-it style and strosrays'  introspective reminisces couldn't be broader!  Maybe you guys should run a race...
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2010, 09:37:28 am »
Craig, I was a couple of years ahead of you, and in Beaumont, which has its own hazards for the asthmatically inlined, I'm sure, but I get your drift.  The Sniff 'n' the Tears reset was great.

Great story, I really enjoyed it.


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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2010, 09:58:25 am »
I was pretty athletic at school - representing the school in about 5 different sports (FTR: swimming, water polo, hockey, cricket and fives).  My air force cadet squadron received national recognition and I personally got tapped up by the RAF.

HOWEVER, if I had been at a school where jocks were lauded above all others, I'm pretty sure that I would've gone on a shooting spree*.

* I was on my squadron's shooting team, and was a qualified marksman on at least 4 different weapons over various distances.  This meant that I had access to an assortment of weaponry and I wouldn't miss many.
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2010, 10:00:41 am »
I personally got tapped up by the RAF.

This sounds somehow dirty.
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2010, 10:40:54 am »
I was pretty athletic at school - representing the school in about 5 different sports (FTR: swimming, water polo, hockey, cricket and fives).  My air force cadet squadron received national recognition and I personally got tapped up by the RAF.

HOWEVER, if I had been at a school where jocks were lauded above all others, I'm pretty sure that I would've gone on a shooting spree*.

* I was on my squadron's shooting team, and was a qualified marksman on at least 4 different weapons over various distances.  This meant that I had access to an assortment of weaponry and I wouldn't miss many.

And again, it makes you wonder how anyone from that third world backwater hellhole you came from survives past the age of 4.

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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2010, 10:51:46 am »
And again, it makes you wonder how anyone from that third world backwater hellhole you came from survives past the age of 4.

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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2010, 10:52:36 am »
The National Health Service?

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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2010, 11:21:17 am »
Awesome Craig! I didn't go back for my 30 either. I just don't see the point of most reunions.
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2010, 11:32:16 am »
Awesome Craig! I didn't go back for my 30 either. I just don't see the point of most reunions.

I haven't been to any of mine.  I see the point of them - reliving past glories, as far as I can tell, and perhaps attempting to renew one's former stature (the bald, drunk, fat guy over there in the tattered letter jacket was the tousle-haired star halfback and the most popular kid in school.)

If you want to see something pathetic, watch the reunion show on TVLand.  Or try to.

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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2010, 11:33:44 am »
I haven't been to any of mine.  I see the point of them - reliving past glories, as far as I can tell, and perhaps attempting to renew one's former stature (the bald, drunk, fat guy over there in the tattered letter jacket was the tousle-haired star halfback and the most popular kid in school.)

If you want to see something pathetic, watch the reunion show on TVLand.  Or try to.

or, maybe to see and catch up with old friends. that is why i have gone to the ones i have.
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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2010, 11:34:57 am »
I just don't see the point of most reunions.

I never did either.  The people I cared about keeping up with....I did.

I happened to be in El Paso during my 10 Year Reunion and woke up to a call late that night at my home.  We were asleep (I had a 2 year old child) and it was a "friend" of mine from HS that I was happy to never speak to again at this point in my life.   Where was I?  Why wasn't I there?   They're about to throw chairs into the pool at the Country Club, I should come down.

Um, yeah, no.

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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2010, 11:41:27 am »
I've skipped both of mine.  My class is/was so organized that no one planned a 20th then felt bad about it and planned a 22.  I could not figure out why they just didn't wait until 25.

I've reconnected with many of my friends through facebook and am fine to leave it like that.  I don't have a lot in common with many of them anymore. 
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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2010, 11:42:36 am »
Craig, I was a couple of years ahead of you, and in Beaumont, which has its own hazards for the asthmatically inlined, I'm sure, but I get your drift.  The Sniff 'n' the Tears reset was great.

Great story, I really enjoyed it.



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« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2010, 11:46:08 am »
I was required to accompany Mrs ex-Limey to her 20 year reunion (we were still married then).  It was horrendous.  I had no background on any of these people, but you could see the cliques reforming like a thawing T1000.

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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2010, 12:09:48 pm »
I've skipped both of mine.  My class is/was so organized that no one planned a 20th then felt bad about it and planned a 22.  I could not figure out why they just didn't wait until 25.

I've reconnected with many of my friends through facebook and am fine to leave it like that.  I don't have a lot in common with many of them anymore. 

I've done that on Facebook too. However, nothing comes to pass from it. One thing why my school pushes reunions is for fundraising. I see right through that transparent crap. For example, we had a 10 and then a 15???
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« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2010, 12:10:34 pm »
I've done that on Facebook too. However, nothing comes to pass from it. One thing why my school pushes reunions is for fundraising. I see right through that transparent crap. For example, we had a 10 and then a 15???

See also Anniversary, 45th.
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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2010, 12:20:16 pm »
I've done that on Facebook too. However, nothing comes to pass from it. One thing why my school pushes reunions is for fundraising. I see right through that transparent crap. For example, we had a 10 and then a 15???

My class did the same thing, with this last one.  I wonder why they were raising funds. 
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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2010, 12:21:18 pm »
I was planning on going to my 30th this year but Facebook has me seriously rethinking the decision.
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« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2010, 12:31:20 pm »
My class did the same thing, with this last one.  I wonder why they were raising funds. 

I went to a private school, so I know why they were raising funds.
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« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2010, 12:34:21 pm »
I went to a private school, so I know why they were raising funds.

I guess maybe mine was trying to raise money for a new metal detector.  Last I heard, kids had to have clear backpacks.  A lot changed after I graduated.  I guess I took the goodness with me.
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« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2010, 12:39:01 pm »
One other HS reunion dynamic worth mentioning:  The girl who chaired the reunion committee for the last one my class held told me she wasn't popular in school, wasn't pretty, didn't have dates, was even mistreated verbally by some of the crueler kids in the school (I vaguely remembered her from back then - it was a pretty big school.)  I'm thinking, why would she want to reconnect with that?

I've kept up with her since high school, sort of - our kids play ball together.  She has since become kind of attractive in a nerdy sort of way.  She married a guy whose family owns a successful local business, they live in a big-ass house in the west end, she drives a Land Rover, etc. etc.  I realized she wants to go back and stick it in the faces of the people who tormented her in the old days, or ignored her altogether.

And more power to her, really.  But I don't necessarily want to watch it.

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« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2010, 12:39:38 pm »
If anybody wants to check out my high school reunion, just go to any of the bars around Willowbrook Mall and look for any one of the hundreds of dudes drunkenly hitting on some milf by the Golden Tee machine.

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« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2010, 12:41:39 pm »
If anybody wants to check out my high school reunion, just go to any of the bars around Willowbrook Mall and look for any one of the hundreds of dudes drunkenly hitting on some milf by the Golden Tee machine.

Which ones are your classmates?  The drunk dudes, or the milfs playing Golden Tee?

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« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2010, 12:46:04 pm »
Which ones are your classmates?  The drunk dudes, or the milfs playing Golden Tee?

the dudes, but there's been a lot of premature aging among the ladies too

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« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2010, 12:48:35 pm »
That was a great story, Craig.  

Who ever is keeping tally, put me in the group that was glad to put highschool in the rearview mirror of my beat down buick.  I see no value, personally, in attending a HS reunion.  I can appreciate some who had good friends, who still remain friends, wanting to attend.  That simply wasn't my situation.
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« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2010, 01:06:07 pm »
My parents just went to my dad's 50th high school reunion.  They had a good time, but they wondered why there were so many old people there.

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« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2010, 01:08:15 pm »
or, maybe to see and catch up with old friends. that is why i have gone to the ones i have.

Oh, Jim.  You have to be more cynical.  Everything is a waste of time.

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« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2010, 01:09:23 pm »
I'll be going to my next reunion, so I guess I fall on the odd side of the group. My 5th was fine, catching up after a few years and I didn't have far to go. The 10th was actually quite interesting...I seemed to meet people I graduated with but never actually knew in high school...and I didn't have to travel too far.

Too busy for 15th and 20th, but rumors are that most of the festivities for 25 will be at a friend's bar just about 45 minutes away. I could see dropping in for something like that. If I get bored, I'll have the fishing gear in the back of the truck and just head to the beach for a while.

If I had to travel and donate a ton of money, yeah, I can see avoiding it. I graduated with a good group of people, though(except for a couple of deceased murderers). I guess it all depends on what you expect out of the whole situation.
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« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2010, 02:51:51 pm »
Great work, Craig.

My class only had 77 kids in it. We had a 10th anniversary, which was a bizarre gathering of the farm kids, the yuppies-in-waiting, the ones who'd dealt with early failures by growing a drinking problem and a light sprinkling of successful people. The kids I hung out with and considered my closer friends didn't go, for a variety of reasons. The most common feeling I shared with my friends was that we didn't fit in and never would, so why go and take another emotional beating?

There were the expected awkward moments, a couple of startling ones, but most of the time I wondered why I was there. I have almost nothing in common with those people. I learned to fight through adversity in high school and made it through ok, but it was punctuated by some very, very bad times and I have almost no contact with any of them by choice, not by chance.

Despite watching what appeared to be a couple dozen people enjoying themselves, the talk of the 15th anniversary waned. Later on, there was a brief attempt to crank up support for a 20th, but only three people expressed an interest. Our class was the last of the small classes and the beginning of growth in the town. That was a difficult transition and appears to be demonstrated by this complete fragmentation.

Facebook has spawned this weird sort of faux camaraderie. All of our classes were jammed together in a very small school, and there has been this frenzy to befriend people who were even in adjoining grades. Of course, none of this results in any sort of connection, just a linkage of names and changed faces.

Reading their daily (hourly?) postings about the role of religion in their lives, political viewpoints, failing small businesses, debilitating illnesses, etc. makes me want to slide that last brick into the wall. I consider myself very fortunate to have made it out of there at all.
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« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2010, 01:12:09 pm »
I found myself too curious NOT to go to my 10th reunion.  It was like hearing there was going to be a train wreck at a certain time and place.  I figured I had to see it.  I even traveled halfway across the country to do so.

I was disappointed yet not surprised that people had not changed too much at 10 years out.  It turned into a very clique-y event very quickly.

In the end, I was okay with going.  There were some people I hoped to see and was glad I got to see them.

Hard to imagine that I will go to another HS reunion, but the 25th is 13 years away and maybe I'll be in the mood to see another train wreck by then.
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« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2010, 02:07:12 pm »
This terrifies me.   Are there people in here that feel that they haven't changed much since high school?  I get that asking this forum's inhabitants is hardly a random sample of the population, but I know very few people who like they were in high school.   Even my stoner ski instructor friend was just a jock soccer guy in high school.   

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« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2010, 02:42:57 pm »
This terrifies me.   Are there people in here that feel that they haven't changed much since high school?  I get that asking this forum's inhabitants is hardly a random sample of the population, but I know very few people who like they were in high school.   Even my stoner ski instructor friend was just a jock soccer guy in high school.   

People change.  Our perception of people is a little bit harder to move.  It's fairly easy to keep a snap shot in your head and assume it to be true despite the passage of time and all appearances to the contrary.

Reunions are an odd situation where because of these snap shots, people tend to fall into old patterns based on their perception of others.  At the event, you are likely to hang out with the people you hung out with in high school because they are the ones who had value to you then, and since the others didn't have any value 10, 20 years ago, they must not have any value today.

I went to my 20 year reunion this past October.  It was worthwhile in that I am pretty hard on myself, have self image problems (and in the interest of disclosure have had depression issues in the past).  It was nice to see a group of people I hadn't seen in awhile who didn't know me as a fuck-up...but that wouldn't be necessarily an issue for everyone.

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« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2010, 03:09:26 pm »
People change.  Our perception of people is a little bit harder to move.  It's fairly easy to keep a snap shot in your head and assume it to be true despite the passage of time and all appearances to the contrary.

Reunions are an odd situation where because of these snap shots, people tend to fall into old patterns based on their perception of others.  At the event, you are likely to hang out with the people you hung out with in high school because they are the ones who had value to you then, and since the others didn't have any value 10, 20 years ago, they must not have any value today.

I'm speaking for myself, but the fucker who pissed in my car because I dated a girl he liked, the six guys who chased me with sheep shears, and all those cocksuckers in the gangs of 5 to 30 who jumped me and my friends at various times because we had hair over our ears and didn't dip Copenhagen can all die in flaming wrecks for all I care. I sure as hell am not going to sidle up to them at some forced gathering to monitor how they've changed since then.

I know we've all changed. I know I have. I've known lots of people who died, lots who turned their lives around after tangling with drugs, alcohol, jail, whatever. Common experiences and friendship pull us together and help us through some of these things, but there's plenty of those people I spent four years with that I don't care how they have changed, I don't want to have anything to do with them.
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« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2010, 03:09:33 pm »
Oh, Jim.  You have to be more cynical.  Everything is a waste of time.

oh, i know. i like to watch and wait, though, for a topic that folks will admit is worthwhile.
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« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2010, 03:29:56 pm »
oh, i know. i like to watch and wait, though, for a topic that folks will admit is worthwhile.

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« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2010, 04:12:13 pm »
I'm speaking for myself, but the fucker who pissed in my car because I dated a girl he liked, the six guys who chased me with sheep shears, and all those cocksuckers in the gangs of 5 to 30 who jumped me and my friends at various times because we had hair over our ears and didn't dip Copenhagen can all die in flaming wrecks for all I care. I sure as hell am not going to sidle up to them at some forced gathering to monitor how they've changed since then.

I know we've all changed. I know I have. I've known lots of people who died, lots who turned their lives around after tangling with drugs, alcohol, jail, whatever. Common experiences and friendship pull us together and help us through some of these things, but there's plenty of those people I spent four years with that I don't care how they have changed, I don't want to have anything to do with them.

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« Reply #38 on: May 18, 2010, 04:15:59 pm »
I'm speaking for myself, but the fucker who pissed in my car because I dated a girl he liked, the six guys who chased me with sheep shears, and all those cocksuckers in the gangs of 5 to 30 who jumped me and my friends at various times because we had hair over our ears and didn't dip Copenhagen can all die in flaming wrecks for all I care. I sure as hell am not going to sidle up to them at some forced gathering to monitor how they've changed since then.

I know we've all changed. I know I have. I've known lots of people who died, lots who turned their lives around after tangling with drugs, alcohol, jail, whatever. Common experiences and friendship pull us together and help us through some of these things, but there's plenty of those people I spent four years with that I don't care how they have changed, I don't want to have anything to do with them.

So our high school experiences were a little bit different.

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« Reply #39 on: May 18, 2010, 04:27:53 pm »
So our high school experiences were a little bit different.

Perhaps. I apologize if I came off a little pointed. I'm surprised at how cranky I get when I remember high school.
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« Reply #40 on: May 18, 2010, 04:31:00 pm »
Perhaps. I apologize if I came off a little pointed. I'm surprised at how cranky I get when I remember high school.

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« Reply #41 on: May 18, 2010, 04:35:20 pm »
pointed is not the word.

Like I said, I'm surprised at how thinking about high school affects me. It's like drinking from a fire hose. I apologize if I was out of line, that dredges up a lot of shit in my past.
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« Reply #42 on: May 18, 2010, 04:36:54 pm »
Like I said, I'm surprised at how thinking about high school affects me. It's like drinking from a fire hose. I apologize if I was out of line, that dredges up a lot of shit in my past.

not mine to say what is out of line, but i'm sorry you have so much anger and unpleasant memories. like Andy, my experiences were the opposite.
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Re: Astros at Dodgers – Nothing But Brown Sky
« Reply #43 on: May 18, 2010, 04:41:01 pm »
That anger used to be like a third rail, I could grab onto it any time for a jolt. I spent a lot of time trying to use it like a tool.

I'm a much, much better person these days and I don't think about that time much at all. I have a lot to be thankful for and happy about, and I think about those gifts all the time.

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« Reply #44 on: May 18, 2010, 07:02:23 pm »
I'm speaking for myself, but the fucker who pissed in my car because I dated a girl he liked, the six guys who chased me with sheep shears, and all those cocksuckers in the gangs of 5 to 30 who jumped me and my friends at various times because we had hair over our ears and didn't dip Copenhagen can all die in flaming wrecks for all I care. I sure as hell am not going to sidle up to them at some forced gathering to monitor how they've changed since then.

I know we've all changed. I know I have. I've known lots of people who died, lots who turned their lives around after tangling with drugs, alcohol, jail, whatever. Common experiences and friendship pull us together and help us through some of these things, but there's plenty of those people I spent four years with that I don't care how they have changed, I don't want to have anything to do with them.

I like you a lot more now than I did before.  And I already liked you.

This all sounds more like my jr high years than my high school years, but that's pretty much how I feel about the folks from high school too.   I don't care how they've changed, IF they've changed, or want to know what they're doing now.   If I did, I'd have kept up with them.   I certainly can't imagine going to a forced meeting to pretend to care about it.

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« Reply #45 on: May 19, 2010, 12:03:39 pm »
Yeah, the whole awkward former schoolmates thing sucks.  I understand the urge to reconnect with people that might have been your friends, but to just add anybody?  I don't get it.

A couple of years ago I got Myspace friend request from a girl I kinda knew in high school.  Last contact w/her was her cheating on one of my best friends (someone I don't really keep track of either) and then breaking up.  What's the first thing she says?  "Have you accepted Jesus into your life?"  It blew my mind that this former crazy party girl spent all that effort tracking me down just to proselytize.  (I had/have a fake name on Myspace and a profile that says I'm an 8 foot tall swinger that makes over $500,000/yr, etc). 


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« Reply #46 on: May 19, 2010, 05:27:08 pm »
I'd lost track of most of the folks from high school after being in the northwest for 15 years now, so found my 20th reunion rather enjoyable.  It was nice to reconnect with folks I hadn't see or heard from in years, and the jackass quotient was far less than I had imagined it would be.
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« Reply #47 on: May 20, 2010, 03:05:00 pm »
I graduated from a school in suburban Kansas City in '76 and moved to Austin in '83.  I went to the 10-year reunion, and for the most part, it was a decent experience.  What I remember most, though, were the separate instances when a couple of assholes actually asked me how much money I was making.  It didn't take a genius to know that they were anxiously awaiting the expected "How 'bout you?", so I told them what I was making, gave them the ol' "Good to see you again", and moved on.

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« Reply #48 on: May 20, 2010, 03:15:27 pm »
What I remember most, though, were the separate instances when a couple of assholes actually asked me how much money I was making. 

That really happens?  Wow. 
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« Reply #49 on: May 20, 2010, 03:22:10 pm »
That really happens?  Wow. 

I don't know how likely it would be now, but it happened in 1986 - twice.
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« Reply #50 on: May 20, 2010, 03:22:50 pm »
the dudes, but there's been a lot of premature aging among the ladies too

I went to my 20-year reunion a few years ago and couldn't believe how great the women looked.  Even the girls who were fat and nerdy in HS looked like swim suit models 20 years later.  And that was *before* the scotch kicked in.  My wife even commented how attractive all the women were.  I told her none of them looked that good in HS.
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« Reply #51 on: May 20, 2010, 03:27:04 pm »
Reunions are an odd situation where because of these snap shots, people tend to fall into old patterns based on their perception of others.  At the event, you are likely to hang out with the people you hung out with in high school because they are the ones who had value to you then, and since the others didn't have any value 10, 20 years ago, they must not have any value today.

It was kind of the opposite for me.  At my 20, I found myself hanging out and visiting with the people I didn't hang out with in HS.  I've found that I have pretty much nothing in common today with the people I hung out with in HS...other than the fact that we hung out together in HS.
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