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« on: April 20, 2010, 02:08:31 pm »
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Re: Reds' Volquez suspended for 50 games
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2010, 02:09:25 pm »
Volzquez qualifies as the rumoured "semi-big" player?  That's a stretch.
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Re: Reds' Volquez suspended for 50 games
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2010, 02:11:18 pm »
Volzquez qualifies as the rumoured "semi-big" player?  That's a stretch.

The rumors had it as David Wright yesterday, so who knows 'reporters' will be claiming it is tomorrow...
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2010, 02:12:09 pm »
Expect the Andy Pettitte Memorial "I was just trying to rehab faster" excuse to come quickly.
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2010, 02:19:09 pm »
Expect the Andy Pettitte Memorial "I was just trying to rehab faster" excuse to come quickly.

Can he serve the suspension while on the DL or does it abate until he's activated?
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Re: Reds' Volquez suspended for 50 games
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2010, 02:25:20 pm »
Can he serve the suspension while on the DL or does it abate until he's activated?

Evidently he can.  Suspension begins tomorrow.
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Re: Reds' Volquez suspended for 50 games
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2010, 02:28:16 pm »
Evidently he can.  Suspension begins tomorrow.

WTF?!?!  If you have a long-term injury like he does, you have every reason in the world to take every fucking substance out there, if that's the case.
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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2010, 02:28:47 pm »
Evidently he can.  Suspension begins tomorrow.

The suspension is for games in which he'd otherwise be eligible to play.  He has to be eligible to come off the DL before the suspension starts.  I'm guessing he's elibigle to come off the DL at any time now.
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Re: Reds' Volquez suspended for 50 games
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2010, 02:29:46 pm »
WTF?!?!  If you have a long-term injury like he does, you have every reason in the world to take every fucking substance out there, if that's the case.

Well, you don't get paid while you're on suspension, so depending on the player, he'd have millions of reasons not to.
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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2010, 04:11:02 pm »
Expect the Andy Pettitte Memorial "I was just trying to rehab faster" excuse to come quickly.

Not quite...he surprised us with the Manny Ramirez defense:

“Prior to the conclusion of last season, my wife and I sought medical advice in Cincinnati with the hope of starting a family. As part of my consultation with the physician, I received certain prescribed medications to treat my condition. As a follow up to our original consultation, my wife and I visited another physician in our home city in the Dominican Republic this past off-season. This physician also gave me certain prescribed medications as part of my treatment. Unfortunately, I now know that the medication the physician in the Dominican gave me is one that is often used to treat my condition, but is also a banned substance under Major League Baseball’s drug policy. As a result, I tested positive when I reported to spring training.

“Although I understand that I must accept responsibility for this mistake and have chosen not to challenge my suspension, I want to assure everyone that this was an isolated incident involving my genuine effort to treat a common medical issue and start a family. I was not trying in any way to gain an advantage in my baseball career. I am embarrassed by this whole situation and apologize to my family, friends, fans, teammates, and the entire Reds Organization for being a distraction and for causing them any difficulty. I simply want to accept the consequences, learn from the mistake, and continue to strive to be the best person and baseball player I can be.”
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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2010, 04:13:11 pm »
Not quite...he surprised us with the Manny Ramirez defense:

“Prior to the conclusion of last season, my wife and I sought medical advice in Cincinnati with the hope of starting a family. As part of my consultation with the physician, I received certain prescribed medications to treat my condition. As a follow up to our original consultation, my wife and I visited another physician in our home city in the Dominican Republic this past off-season. This physician also gave me certain prescribed medications as part of my treatment. Unfortunately, I now know that the medication the physician in the Dominican gave me is one that is often used to treat my condition, but is also a banned substance under Major League Baseball’s drug policy. As a result, I tested positive when I reported to spring training.

“Although I understand that I must accept responsibility for this mistake and have chosen not to challenge my suspension, I want to assure everyone that this was an isolated incident involving my genuine effort to treat a common medical issue and start a family. I was not trying in any way to gain an advantage in my baseball career. I am embarrassed by this whole situation and apologize to my family, friends, fans, teammates, and the entire Reds Organization for being a distraction and for causing them any difficulty. I simply want to accept the consequences, learn from the mistake, and continue to strive to be the best person and baseball player I can be.”

Maybe I'm a sucker, but that sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2010, 04:14:17 pm »
Maybe I'm a sucker, but that sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

Sounds reasonable, and I'm the last one to damn him for it, but I also gotta think that if I'm a MLB ballplayer, I'm having my team physician double-check any new medication I take.
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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2010, 04:16:40 pm »
Maybe I'm a sucker, but that sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

You're a sucker.  First, it's downright unimaginable that a Major League baseball player can get a prescription from a non-team physician and not have the first thought through his head be "will this make me fail a drug test".  Secondly, if it's for a legitimate medical condition, he could have received a Therapeutic Use Exemption.  This is spin, nothing more.
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« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2010, 04:23:17 pm »
You're a sucker.  First, it's downright unimaginable that a Major League baseball player can get a prescription from a non-team physician and not have the first thought through his head be "will this make me fail a drug test".  Secondly, if it's for a legitimate medical condition, he could have received a Therapeutic Use Exemption.  This is spin, nothing more.

Personally, I think the term "Dominican pharmacy" absolves whomever invokes it of any responsibility whatsoever.
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« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2010, 04:23:51 pm »
So the next time he has a bad outing, the "he's shooting blanks" joke will be in play, right?
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« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2010, 04:25:50 pm »
You're a sucker.  First, it's downright unimaginable that a Major League baseball player can get a prescription from a non-team physician and not have the first thought through his head be "will this make me fail a drug test".  Secondly, if it's for a legitimate medical condition, he could have received a Therapeutic Use Exemption.  This is spin, nothing more.

Non-joke question:  Does a player need to get a Therapeutic Use Exemption before failing the test or can it be applied retroactively?
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« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2010, 04:32:05 pm »
Dominican health care is so much more advanced with treating infertility.  Go there for a second opinion. Yeah right. 
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« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2010, 04:32:52 pm »
Non-joke question:  Does a player need to get a Therapeutic Use Exemption before failing the test or can it be applied retroactively?

EDIT:  The answer is no, a TUE is only valid from the date the player requested it and cannot be retroactive.  The JDA does state that the "I thought this would qualify for a TUE" argument is admissable in an appeal, but that's only if the player requested one, it was denied and then subsequently got busted.

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« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2010, 04:44:11 pm »
Dominican health care is so much more advanced with treating infertility.  Go there for a second opinion. Yeah right. 

Bingo.

Wasn't the ManRam story that the drug in question wasnt a PED, but rather a common masking agent to PEDs?
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« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2010, 04:46:02 pm »
Dominican health care is so much more advanced with treating infertility.  Go there for a second opinion. Yeah right. 

I don't know, that's his home country.  I think he's entitled to have some faith in his nation's doctors. 
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« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2010, 04:46:27 pm »
EDIT:  The answer is no, a TUE is only valid from the date the player requested it and cannot be retroactive.  The JDA does state that the "I thought this would qualify for a TUE" argument is admissable in an appeal, but that's only if the player requested one, it was denied and then subsequently got busted.



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« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2010, 05:10:52 pm »
Wasn't the ManRam story that the drug in question wasnt a PED, but rather a common masking agent to PEDs?

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« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2010, 05:17:32 pm »
Call me cynical and jaded, but I don't buy any of Volquez's bullshit. JHe got caught and is now attempting to spin things.
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« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2010, 06:14:51 pm »
Not quite...he surprised us with the Manny Ramirez defense:

“Prior to the conclusion of last season, my wife and I sought medical advice in Cincinnati with the hope of starting a family. As part of my consultation with the physician, I received certain prescribed medications to treat my condition. As a follow up to our original consultation, my wife and I visited another physician in our home city in the Dominican Republic this past off-season. This physician also gave me certain prescribed medications as part of my treatment. Unfortunately, I now know that the medication the physician in the Dominican gave me is one that is often used to treat my condition, but is also a banned substance under Major League Baseball’s drug policy. As a result, I tested positive when I reported to spring training.

“Although I understand that I must accept responsibility for this mistake and have chosen not to challenge my suspension, I want to assure everyone that this was an isolated incident involving my genuine effort to treat a common medical issue and start a family. I was not trying in any way to gain an advantage in my baseball career. I am embarrassed by this whole situation and apologize to my family, friends, fans, teammates, and the entire Reds Organization for being a distraction and for causing them any difficulty. I simply want to accept the consequences, learn from the mistake, and continue to strive to be the best person and baseball player I can be.”

I thought PEDs shrunk your balls.  Also, anyone who has been to the DR knows, those folks know their fertility.

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« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2010, 06:30:30 am »
I don't know, that's his home country.  I think he's entitled to have some faith in his nation's doctors. 
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« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2010, 09:50:01 am »
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« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2010, 09:52:38 am »
The suspension is for games in which he'd otherwise be eligible to play.  He has to be eligible to come off the DL before the suspension starts.  I'm guessing he's elibigle to come off the DL at any time now.

That's what I thought, too, but it's not how it's being reported:
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The 26-year-old right-hander is recovering from reconstructive elbow surgery and isn't expected to rejoin the Reds until midseason at the earliest. He can serve the suspension from Major League Baseball while continuing his rehabilitation.

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« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2010, 09:56:12 am »
That's what I thought, too, but it's not how it's being reported:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5119303

But when is he eligible to come off the DL, that's the question.  It's only a 60-day DL and he's been on it all season, so he's certainly eligible before midseason.  There is a difference between "eligible" and "ready".  Still, I may be wrong and it may have nothing to do with eligibility.  But the JDA certainly reads that it does.
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« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2010, 10:19:10 am »
I'm an american.  I know that german cars are superior to their american counterparts.  I'm entitled to have faith that the american versions are better but if I say it out loud, it only makes me look stupid or my words contrived.

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« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2010, 11:55:37 am »
Personally, I think the term "Dominican pharmacy" absolves whomever invokes it of any responsibility whatsoever.

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« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2010, 11:57:25 am »
Rush, is that you?

When the hell has Geddy Lee ever been in a Dominican pharmacy?
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« Reply #32 on: April 21, 2010, 11:58:31 am »
When the hell has Geddy Lee ever been in a Dominican pharmacy?

Geddy was a baritone before he went there for an enlarged prostate.
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« Reply #33 on: April 21, 2010, 12:57:35 pm »
Geddy was a baritone before he went there for an enlarged prostate.

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« Reply #34 on: April 21, 2010, 04:39:40 pm »
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« Reply #35 on: April 21, 2010, 04:45:29 pm »
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« Reply #36 on: April 21, 2010, 05:07:16 pm »
I've actually won a bet with someone who swore that the lead singer of Rush was a female.
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« Reply #37 on: April 22, 2010, 06:35:41 am »
I've actually won a bet with someone who swore that the lead singer of Rush was a female.

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