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March Madness open thread
« on: March 18, 2010, 02:13:31 pm »
This Robert Morris-Villanova game is unbelievable.  Nova up 1 in OT, 9.1 sec left, shooting 2.
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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2010, 02:15:51 pm »
That 3-pointer to put it within 1 was ridiculous.
Valiant effort by Robert Morris.
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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2010, 02:18:23 pm »
Old Dominion beat ND by 1, denying a possible Catholics vs. Baptists 2nd round matchup.
Florida blew buzzer beaters in regulation and OT before falling to BYU in 2OT.
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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2010, 02:22:17 pm »
That 3-pointer to put it within 1 was ridiculous.
Valiant effort by Robert Morris.

Disappointing final shot. Same thing happened to William&Mary against UNC in the NIT Tuesday night: too much dribbling and not enough screening.
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Re: March Madness open thread
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2010, 03:38:16 pm »
SHSU is using a triangle-and-two to flummox baylor to extents unmatched by UT.
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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2010, 03:44:34 pm »
Go Murray State!  What a shot!
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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2010, 03:49:16 pm »
Go Murray State!  What a shot!

The tournament is in prime form 4 games in... games were decided by 12 points combined, and 7 of those were in BYU's 2OT win.
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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2010, 04:28:12 pm »
The tournament is in prime form 4 games in... games were decided by 12 points combined, and 7 of those were in BYU's 2OT win.

And the complaints about the refs has already begun: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/With-help-of-officials-Villanova-avoids-histori?urn=ncaab,228833.
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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2010, 04:31:25 pm »
And the complaints about the refs has already begun: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/With-help-of-officials-Villanova-avoids-histori?urn=ncaab,228833.

I have no dog in the fight, and I thought RM was getting absolutely screwed.
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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2010, 04:36:44 pm »
Old Dominion beat ND by 1, denying a possible Catholics vs. Baptists 2nd round matchup.
Florida blew buzzer beaters in regulation and OT before falling to BYU in 2OT.

Is Old Dominion a Catholic school as well?  I ask because I don't know for sure.

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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2010, 04:42:12 pm »
Is Old Dominion a Catholic school as well?  I ask because I don't know for sure.
Catholics weren't legal in Virginia back then.
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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2010, 04:51:34 pm »
Catholics weren't legal in Virginia back then.

Ah, thanks.  We will have us a Holy War in this here tournament nonetheless.  Where is Georgetown?  Any chance to face Baylor?

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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2010, 05:13:44 pm »
I have no dog in the fight, and I thought RM was getting absolutely screwed.

I thought so, too. The "foul" on the jump ball was not good. And it looks like it's going to take a pretty blatant offense to get a charge called this year; I wonder if the officiating crews have been told to be extra vigilant about flopping.
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Re: March Madness open thread
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2010, 07:41:39 pm »
Where is Georgetown? 

Getting beat by 14th seeded Ohio 53-42 with 16:28 to play.
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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2010, 08:44:16 pm »
Getting beat by 14th seeded Ohio 53-42 with 16:28 to play.

Down go the Hoyas.
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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2010, 09:00:50 pm »
Ugh this Texas gameis going to be sloppy all night
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Re: March Madness open thread
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2010, 09:10:25 pm »
Ugh this Texas gameis going to be sloppy all night

That was a certainty the minute the matchup was announced.
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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2010, 09:26:36 pm »
What has happened to the Texas defense? It used to be that that was the one thing you could count on. They might not be able to do anything else (including shooting layups, what's up with that?), but they would at least bring some defense. Now they seem to give up about 15 easy buckets per game.
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2010, 09:29:25 pm »
What has happened to the Texas defense? It used to be that that was the one thing you could count on. They might not be able to do anything else (including shooting layups, what's up with that?), but they would at least bring some defense. Now they seem to give up about 15 easy buckets per game.

An across-the-board complete lack of basketball IQ; the fact that DJ is the only player who is fundamentally sound on both sides of the floor, forcing Barnes to rob Peter to pay Paul; and Barnes' worst coaching job in his Texas tenure.

I would also like to point out that it is the NCAA Tournament and we still have no clear substitution pattern.
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Re: March Madness open thread
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2010, 09:32:12 pm »
Jordan Hamilton in full-blown "I better play my way into the first round" mode.  We'll need it in this game.
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« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2010, 10:23:32 pm »
It's incredible how little this team gets out of its collective talent.
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« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2010, 10:41:25 pm »
This game has taken away all the good feelings that the afternoon session generated for me.
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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2010, 10:47:22 pm »
This game has taken away all the good feelings that the afternoon session generated for me.

No shit. How many weak little floater passes is Texas going to throw away tonight?
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« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2010, 10:48:31 pm »
And now fucking Aminu hits a 3-pointer. I think that's a sign that it's not UT's night.
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« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2010, 10:51:20 pm »
The fact that either of these horseshit teams made the torunament shows you what a down year it is in CBB.
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« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2010, 10:54:12 pm »
Oh for Christ's sake.  Bench Pittman for good.
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« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2010, 10:54:19 pm »
How the fuck can you miss two putbacks from 3 inches?
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« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2010, 10:55:41 pm »
No gas in the tank.
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« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2010, 11:01:00 pm »
As big and strong as Pittman looks, he sure plays soft. 

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« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2010, 11:02:34 pm »
Brown gets tackled, no call.
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« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2010, 11:03:44 pm »
Brown is having quite a 2nd half.
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« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2010, 11:07:27 pm »
If these fuckers would go up with two hands, they might get to shoot some free throws instead of getting their attempted one-hand throwdowns blocked.
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« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2010, 11:09:30 pm »
Holy shit - traveling on the inbounds.  GAWD these teams suck.
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« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2010, 11:10:53 pm »
Refs COMPLETELY bail out DaMo.
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« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2010, 11:12:33 pm »
Rick - did it ever FUCKING OCCUR TO YOU THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO REBOUND A MISS?!?!?!
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« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2010, 11:12:41 pm »
Going to OT
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« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2010, 11:13:07 pm »
I knew he was going to miss the second free throw. I was as sure as I am the sun will rise tomorrow.
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« Reply #37 on: March 18, 2010, 11:13:43 pm »
Well, you have to give it to the tournament committee: they certainly found two teams that were evenly matched.
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« Reply #38 on: March 18, 2010, 11:14:14 pm »
I knew he was going to miss the second free throw. I was as sure as I am the sun will rise tomorrow.

I was surprised that he made the first.
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« Reply #39 on: March 18, 2010, 11:17:37 pm »
That's all on McFarlan.
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« Reply #40 on: March 18, 2010, 11:18:13 pm »
That's all on McFarlan.

So long, fucker.  Nobody's sorry to see you go.  Enjoy flopping in Europe.
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« Reply #41 on: March 18, 2010, 11:19:26 pm »
That's all on McFarlan.

Finally. His play definitely borders on chickenshit.
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« Reply #42 on: March 18, 2010, 11:20:48 pm »
How in the blue fuck did they call that on Mason??
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« Reply #43 on: March 18, 2010, 11:24:38 pm »
How in the blue fuck did they call that on Mason??

It's unlikely that this crew will have any duties on Saturday.
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« Reply #44 on: March 18, 2010, 11:26:17 pm »
Ticky tacky call to foul out a senior on. Hope that's not how James' UT career ends.
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« Reply #45 on: March 18, 2010, 11:28:03 pm »
I don't like this ride, make it stop...
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« Reply #46 on: March 18, 2010, 11:28:54 pm »
Ticky tacky call to foul out a senior on. Hope that's not how James' UT career ends.

Agreed. 
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« Reply #47 on: March 18, 2010, 11:30:50 pm »
Well, it's hardly surprising that missed free throws ended their season.
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« Reply #48 on: March 18, 2010, 11:31:03 pm »
Holy fucking shit.
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« Reply #49 on: March 18, 2010, 11:31:08 pm »
Well fuck.  Hell of a way to go out.  Figures that free throws did us in.
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« Reply #50 on: March 18, 2010, 11:35:33 pm »
Fitting way to end the season.  What a trainwreck this was.  I've never been so frustrated watching a team.

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« Reply #51 on: March 18, 2010, 11:36:44 pm »
For me that was the worst ending to a game in a few years, and I didn't even have that great of expectations.
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« Reply #52 on: March 18, 2010, 11:39:23 pm »
Only the knowledge of how far Barnes has brought us stops me from questioning his job security.
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« Reply #53 on: March 18, 2010, 11:40:51 pm »
Barnes is fine, but Jesus this team was stupid.  The players, the sets, everything.

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« Reply #54 on: March 18, 2010, 11:42:28 pm »
Barnes is fine, but Jesus this team was stupid.  The players, the sets, everything.

Coaching is part of that, don't you think?
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« Reply #55 on: March 18, 2010, 11:46:23 pm »
Coaching is part of that, don't you think?

No, I agree.  I'm still not as down on Barnes as a lot of Horns fans.  But we aren't going to do any better than Barnes so calling for his head after his 15th straight tourney appearance is pointless.

Still, I think he did an awful job this year.

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« Reply #56 on: March 18, 2010, 11:51:16 pm »
Coaching is part of that, don't you think?

The fact that Barnes constantly is screaming at the players to move, to screen, to do something, leads me to think this team was just plain fucking lazy. From Dexter Pittman on down, it took surpreme effort to get a pick and roll going.

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« Reply #57 on: March 18, 2010, 11:52:36 pm »
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« Reply #58 on: March 19, 2010, 09:35:19 am »
Kentucky is going to do things to Wake Forest that would make Tiger blush.
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« Reply #59 on: March 19, 2010, 09:50:37 am »
Kentucky is going to do things to Wake Forest that would make Tiger blush.

They're going to marry Wake Forest then respect the bonds of matrimony?
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« Reply #60 on: March 19, 2010, 09:53:32 am »
They're going to marry Wake Forest then respect the bonds of matrimony?

I didn't say things that would make Tiger cry.
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« Reply #61 on: March 19, 2010, 10:52:22 am »
There was one play late in the first half where Wake Forest got 3 or 4 offensive rebounds simply because Texas was disinterested in boxing out.    If I was Rick, I'd force every returning player to watch that play until it made them sick.   

One good thing I saw last night was Hamilton played well.    Other than his first shot, he played within the team concept and had a very nice first half.     
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« Reply #62 on: March 19, 2010, 11:35:53 am »
The Big East is doing their best to prove that the Big 12 was this year's best conference.
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« Reply #63 on: March 19, 2010, 11:53:12 am »
Wow, wanna feel old?  Watching the Minnesota/Javier game right now.  Playing center for the Golden Gophers = Ralph Sampson III

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« Reply #64 on: March 19, 2010, 03:09:43 pm »
Wow, wanna feel old?  Watching the Minnesota/Javier game right now.  Playing center for the Golden Gophers = Ralph Sampson III

Sure he is not taking a page from George Foreman?
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« Reply #65 on: March 19, 2010, 03:51:54 pm »
My little brother (Tennessee fan, lives in Knoxville) sent me this haiku this morning:

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« Reply #66 on: March 19, 2010, 04:10:13 pm »
Wofford just gave away the Wisconsin game.
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« Reply #67 on: March 19, 2010, 07:41:48 pm »
Wofford just gave away the Wisconsin game.

Yup, that was very disappointing. A couple of bad turnovers and some missed free throws. If they execute at just an average level, they maybe win that game.
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« Reply #68 on: March 19, 2010, 10:05:35 pm »
Even Tim Donaghy thought that the "lane violation" at the end of the Mich St game was a little too obvious a fix.
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« Reply #69 on: March 20, 2010, 02:07:23 pm »
Anyone who thinks Barnes suddenly got stupid or coached differently this year is crazy, imo. This team just flat did not listen. During the timeout before UT's last possession, he told J'Covan to keep the ball and to dribble till got fouled but if he gave it up, to run and get it right back. What did he do? He picked up his dribble, threw it to Johnson and stood watching him get fouled. That play is a microcosm of the decline of this season.
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« Reply #70 on: March 20, 2010, 06:50:34 pm »
Kansas dropped by N Iowa!!
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« Reply #71 on: March 20, 2010, 07:00:28 pm »
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« Reply #72 on: March 20, 2010, 09:33:48 pm »
Predictably, Kentucky is re-enacting "Deliverance" on Wake Forest.
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« Reply #74 on: March 26, 2010, 08:09:11 pm »
You know, I'm happy for the Bears and their fans, but couldn't CBS let us watch the end of the freaking Tennessee-Ohio State game?
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« Reply #75 on: March 26, 2010, 08:22:11 pm »
You know, I'm happy for the Bears and their fans, but couldn't CBS let us watch the end of the freaking Tennessee-Ohio State game?

You're kidding me.  They made you guys watch the end of the shitfest instead of the end of the Capital One Bowl?   Great game.

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« Reply #76 on: March 26, 2010, 08:33:08 pm »
Jesus saves and fuck Duke.
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« Reply #77 on: March 26, 2010, 08:46:36 pm »
You're kidding me.  They made you guys watch the end of the shitfest instead of the end of the Capital One Bowl?   Great game.

We got bits and pieces, and then the final 20 or so seconds. I have no idea why we couldn't just watch the last four minutes uninterrupted.
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« Reply #78 on: March 26, 2010, 10:35:33 pm »
It's a close race, but I think I hate Duke basketball more than I hate Notre Dame football.
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« Reply #79 on: March 26, 2010, 11:27:07 pm »
We got bits and pieces, and then the final 20 or so seconds. I have no idea why we couldn't just watch the last four minutes uninterrupted.

C'mon -- us Bears get to see a team this successful once every 60 years. Let us enjoy every minute.
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« Reply #80 on: March 28, 2010, 05:59:12 pm »
Udoh is a very good basketball player. A lottery pick.
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« Reply #81 on: March 28, 2010, 05:59:45 pm »
So what do you suppose the Duke budget for referees is? That charge call on Acy was lame. That should have been Zoubek's fifth foul and a three-point play for Baylor. But NOOOOOOOOOOOO.
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« Reply #82 on: March 28, 2010, 06:00:48 pm »
Udoh is a very good basketball player. A lottery pick.

Dunn looks like an NBA player, too. His ability to get to the rim is very impressive.
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« Reply #83 on: March 28, 2010, 06:03:26 pm »
So what do you suppose the Duke budget for referees is? That charge call on Acy was lame. That should have been Zoubek's fifth foul and a three-point play for Baylor. But NOOOOOOOOOOOO.

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« Reply #84 on: March 28, 2010, 06:06:07 pm »
No friggin' kidding. Couldn't believe that one!

Nothing is out of the question when Duke is involved.
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« Reply #85 on: March 28, 2010, 06:11:16 pm »
I hate Duke. Baylor never had a chance, it's always 5 on 7 when you play Duke.
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« Reply #86 on: March 28, 2010, 06:16:06 pm »
I hate Duke. Baylor never had a chance, it's always 5 on 7 when you play Duke.

Indeed.  I'll be bummed if Duke ends up winning what's been such an entertaining tourney.
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« Reply #87 on: March 28, 2010, 06:16:31 pm »
So who does Duke get next weekend? WVU?
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« Reply #88 on: March 28, 2010, 06:21:01 pm »
Too bad Baylor couldn't get it done.  They are highly entertaining.
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« Reply #89 on: March 28, 2010, 06:33:01 pm »
So who does Duke get next weekend? WVU?

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« Reply #90 on: March 28, 2010, 09:14:06 pm »
Tough loss... those last 3 minutes were ugly.  I hope Udoh and Dunn decide to stick around...

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« Reply #91 on: March 29, 2010, 09:38:25 am »
So what do you suppose the Duke budget for referees is? That charge call on Acy was lame. That should have been Zoubek's fifth foul and a three-point play for Baylor. But NOOOOOOOOOOOO.

The charge call was nothing compared to the technical.
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« Reply #92 on: March 29, 2010, 09:43:37 am »
Tough loss... those last 3 minutes were ugly.  I hope Udoh and Dunn decide to stick around...

Udoh should be a top 10 pick, so it would be extremely surprising if he came back.

Dunn wasn't that high on the few NBA lists I saw, so unless something dramatic changed because of the tourney, I could see him testing the waters and then coming back.

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« Reply #93 on: March 29, 2010, 09:44:03 am »
The charge call was nothing compared to the technical.

i hate Duke, but the technical was a good call after review of the video. Acy was not involved in the original play and rumbled over to bump one of the Dookies. it was stupid and cost his team.

the charge was a close call, and Duke gets ALL of those.
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i hate Duke, but the technical was a good call after review of the video. Acy was not involved in the original play and rumbled over to bump one of the Dookies. it was stupid and cost his team.

It was stupid, but if you're going to call that bump, then you have to call the Duke player for swinging about 20 elbows.
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« Reply #95 on: March 29, 2010, 11:41:15 am »
then you have to call the Duke player

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« Reply #96 on: March 29, 2010, 11:54:33 am »
You don't think the NCAA had a vested interest in having at least one name team advance to the Final Four?!?

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You don't think the NCAA had a vested interest in having at least one name team advance to the Final Four?!?

When they are about to open bidding on the new TV contract?
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« Reply #98 on: March 29, 2010, 01:31:19 pm »
I hate Duke. Baylor never had a chance, it's always 5 on 7 when you play Duke.

Baylor lost because they couldn't get a defensive rebound.  It had little to do with the officiating. 

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Baylor lost because they couldn't get a defensive rebound.  It had little to do with the officiating. 

except for the Acy call, i tend to agree. that was a major very close call in the game, and Coach K. has the officials in his pocket.
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« Reply #100 on: March 29, 2010, 01:46:32 pm »
Baylor lost because they couldn't get a defensive rebound.  It had little to do with the officiating. 
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« Reply #101 on: March 29, 2010, 03:20:28 pm »
Obviously, there's a rebounding risk associated with running a zone, but yesterday it just got out of hand.  Baylor generally extends its zone most of the time, something they felt they had to do even more so in this game, hoping to interrupt Duke's excellent perimeter passing and harrass their shooters.  Duke, already a good rebounding team, capitalized by having its wings in a better position to charge the boards unimpeded when shots went up, particularly in the second half when Baylor's wings seemed more focused on preventing long jump shots.    

There seemed to be so many times that one team looked like it could be running away from the other, only to see a break here or there or an oustanding defensive play reverse the trend.  Duke looked a lot more confident going into the last five minutes or so, but Baylor was game.  Some would offer the favorable whistles helped with their confidence (allow me at least one WFW, would ya'?).

Yeah, some of the calls were maddening, but, no, officiating wasn't the sole cause by any stretch.  I was hoping for a last three minutes of the game similar to the last 3 minutes of the first half.  Duke had other plans, and our guys didn't respond effectively enough.  3 or 4 minutes from a perfect weekend at Reliant.  

I had two sets of tickets, one set 29 rows up midcourt, where my boys sat, and another that my insurance agent provided that was the second row of the regular football seating.  When we sat down Friday night in the latter tickets, we joked, "Hey, look over there; I think they're playing basketball!  Let's go watch."  I understand maximizing attendance/revenues, but it truly is a tough way to watch a basketball game.

The Alamodome approach, if you will--placing the court parallel to an end zone--allows for a larger percentage of fans to be closer to the action, but that's not such a great scheme at Reliant, where the upper deck doesn't dip down as low as the one in the Alamodome does.  Guess we're stuck with this, like it or not.  Shame.

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« Reply #102 on: March 29, 2010, 03:28:32 pm »
The Alamodome approach, if you will--placing the court parallel to an end zone--allows for a larger percentage of fans to be closer to the action, but that's not such a great scheme at Reliant, where the upper deck doesn't dip down as low as the one in the Alamodome does.  Guess we're stuck with this, like it or not.  Shame.

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« Reply #103 on: March 29, 2010, 03:40:13 pm »
basketball is a game of runs in which there is NO time EVER to relax. i hated coaching it.
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« Reply #104 on: March 29, 2010, 04:03:59 pm »
basketball is a game of runs in which there is NO time EVER to relax. i hated coaching it.

I'm with you, Coach. I played high school basketball and then in intramural and denial leagues until I was 43. I had to coach a couple of times, and I hated it.
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« Reply #105 on: March 29, 2010, 04:19:40 pm »
The Alamodome sucks for everything.  Football, basketball, concerts, rodeos, tea party conventions, you name it.

Seconded.   Possibly the worst sporting arena built in the last 30 years.

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« Reply #106 on: March 29, 2010, 04:26:07 pm »
Alamodome approach, gentlemen, not Alamodome.  Was speaking to the logistics of how/where to place the court.

EDIT:  Besides, they're done with the Alamodome for the foreseeable future.  Houston's having it twice within a decade, I believe.
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« Reply #107 on: March 29, 2010, 04:36:16 pm »
Seconded.   Possibly the worst sporting arena built in the last 30 years.

If there's a worse one, I wouldn't want to see it.
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« Reply #108 on: March 29, 2010, 04:47:05 pm »
If there's a worse one, I wouldn't want to see it.

The Kingdome was worse. Thankfully, it is gone.
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« Reply #109 on: March 29, 2010, 04:47:37 pm »
Usually, I try and defend my hometown, but I can't this time.  It is bad.
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« Reply #110 on: March 29, 2010, 04:52:13 pm »
Usually, I try and defend my hometown, but I can't this time.  It is bad.

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« Reply #111 on: March 30, 2010, 10:13:03 am »
basketball is a game of runs in which there is NO time EVER to relax. i hated coaching it.

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« Reply #112 on: March 30, 2010, 10:57:16 am »
Usually, I try and defend my hometown, but I can't this time.  It is bad.
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« Reply #113 on: March 30, 2010, 01:27:09 pm »
I've seen some good games there.

You might have been in attendance, but odds are you didn't see shit.

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« Reply #114 on: March 30, 2010, 04:17:54 pm »
Football stadiums are just flat out wrong for hoops, whether you put the court sideways against the end zone--Alamodome--or elevate it and place it in the middle of the field--Ford, Reliant and, I presume, every football stadium to follow in Indianapolis, New Orleans, Atlanta and Jonestown.

Too many of the seats provide an experience akin to sitting in your attic trying to watch a card game in your living room.
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« Reply #115 on: March 30, 2010, 06:03:41 pm »
Too many of the seats provide an experience akin to sitting in your attic trying to watch a card game in your living room.

Right; through the floorboards.

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« Reply #116 on: March 30, 2010, 06:36:59 pm »
Actually through the air vents but point taken.
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« Reply #117 on: March 31, 2010, 08:49:09 am »
Court-side seats make a big difference. I hate it when you pay money to be somewhere but you're so far away from the action, that you spend the whole time watching the video monitor. Basketball, Boxing, Rock Spectacles... Hell, even a place like the Erwin Center sucks at the top rows.
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« Reply #118 on: April 02, 2010, 09:12:25 am »
So the NCAA is talking about expanding to 90+ teams now?  I think that would actually decrease the amount of upsets, because lower seeded teams would have to battle it out prior to playing the top seeds. Who knows, I could easily be wrong about that. One thing it probably will do is put the dagger in the NIT.
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« Reply #119 on: April 02, 2010, 09:24:31 am »
So the NCAA is talking about expanding to 90+ teams now?  I think that would actually decrease the amount of upsets, because lower seeded teams would have to battle it out prior to playing the top seeds. Who knows, I could easily be wrong about that. One thing is probably will do is put the dagger in the NIT.

The NIT really ought to try to switch to the fall. I know that they do something, but it could be bigger.
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« Reply #120 on: April 02, 2010, 02:27:48 pm »
Because the NCAA owns the NIT as settlement for the latter's antitrust suit a few years back, it can do whatever it wants with the NIT. That would include moving it to the fall or winter holidays, merging it with the real tournament or just shutting it down altogether.  Some have even suggested that the NIT could end up being the first round or two of the NCAA tournament, a qualifier of sorts, if the notion that 32 or more teams will get first round byes is true.

Personally I preferred the idea of three more play-in games, one per region, or even seven more to have two such games per region.  One game would be to determine the 1 seed's victim, the other to get bubble teams set up for double-digit seeds.  Sure looks like that's a dead issue now.

It should be interesting to see how the NCAA explains away the "classroom time" argument it always utilizes in defense of not wanting a football playoff.  Maybe they'll mandate all universities that wish to participate as having to declare the first week of the tournament as their school's spring break--one problem solved, though another created.  The NCAA can rationalize 32 more basketball teams but can't justify a football playoff for 8 or even 4 teams? 
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« Reply #121 on: April 02, 2010, 02:51:36 pm »
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/13145732/silence-tells-all-ncaa-just-creating-more-revenue-with-expansion?tag=headlines;collegebasketball

Looks like it wasn't interesting at all, the notion of how the NCAA would explain the lost classroom time; it was more like embarrassing.   Feinstein lets 'em have it.
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« Reply #122 on: April 03, 2010, 07:30:18 pm »
What a great game. Butler to the championship.  Gotta love it. Unless you are a Spartan fan.
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« Reply #123 on: April 03, 2010, 07:41:44 pm »
What a great game. Butler to the championship.  Gotta love it. Unless you are a Spartan fan.

I was watching my Tiger baseballers getting pummeled by Georgia, so I switched over to the Butler game. Fantastic ending.
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« Reply #124 on: April 03, 2010, 07:44:51 pm »
I find myself in a bit of a predicament.  Duke wins and I take the office pool.  But, it's Duke. 

I think I'll watch something else tonight.
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« Reply #125 on: April 03, 2010, 07:50:55 pm »
I find myself in a bit of a predicament.  Duke wins and I take the office pool.  But, it's Duke. 

I think I'll watch something else tonight.

How much is the pool?
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« Reply #126 on: April 03, 2010, 08:15:01 pm »
"We are Duke!" Oh yeah? Well, fuck off. I look forward to watching WVU-Butler on Monday night.
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« Reply #127 on: April 03, 2010, 08:53:51 pm »
WVU is playing like crap and Duke is shooting lights out. If the Mountaineers don't get their shit together this game will be over at half-time.
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« Reply #128 on: April 03, 2010, 08:55:30 pm »
How much is the pool?


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« Reply #129 on: April 03, 2010, 10:04:02 pm »
24 players @ $10.  Winner take all.  I took a quick peek.  Currently happy but know enough not to buy my AAPL share yet.  Back to something else for a while...

Oh, I would definitely be rooting for Duke......at least for tonight....
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« Reply #130 on: April 04, 2010, 02:36:06 am »
I gotta go for the Bulldogs. I love an barking underdog.
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« Reply #131 on: April 05, 2010, 09:37:34 am »
The Nets are reportedly considering offering Coach K $12-15MM per year... and he's not expected to take it!
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« Reply #132 on: April 05, 2010, 10:49:30 am »
This really is a David v. Goliath type matchup. I have a hard time remembering a championship game with this type of skew. I'm still hoping Butler can pull it off, they've knocked off some good teams on their way.
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« Reply #133 on: April 05, 2010, 11:40:24 am »
I love a good underdog. Our house is rootin' for Butler.
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« Reply #134 on: April 05, 2010, 11:47:54 am »
This really is a David v. Goliath type matchup. I have a hard time remembering a championship game with this type of skew. I'm still hoping Butler can pull it off, they've knocked off some good teams on their way.

NCState (6) v Houston (1)
Villanova ( 8 ) v Georgetown (1)

Both match up favorably with Butler (5) v Duke (1)

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« Reply #135 on: April 05, 2010, 12:06:37 pm »
NCState (6) v Houston (1)
Villanova ( 8 ) v Georgetown (1)

Both match up favorably with Butler (5) v Duke (1)

Yes, as far as rankings go.  But NC State is ACC and Villanova is Big East (I think I got those correct).  It is much more suprising to have a Horizon League team in the final, IMO.
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« Reply #136 on: April 05, 2010, 09:57:55 pm »
Duke just got their home cooking for the game on an absolutely terrible "charge".
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« Reply #137 on: April 05, 2010, 10:15:25 pm »
The refs have let a lot of stuff go, to the point where there's just no telling what's going to get called.

And you can bet that if somebody had fouled a Duke kid like that foul on Hayward right now, he'd be facing the death penalty.
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« Reply #138 on: April 05, 2010, 10:33:48 pm »
So did Heyward just look at the coach and say "I'll make it"?
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« Reply #139 on: April 05, 2010, 10:37:30 pm »
Wow.  Hell of an ending.  One bounce away from a miracle.
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« Reply #140 on: April 05, 2010, 10:40:23 pm »
Boy, I thought that was going in.

Those three in-bounds plays where Duke scored easily are going to haunt Butler. I'll bet they haven't given up buckets like that all year.
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« Reply #141 on: April 05, 2010, 10:44:35 pm »
Seriously, though... what would have happened to Gus Johnson if he were announcing this game?
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« Reply #142 on: April 06, 2010, 08:13:58 am »
Seriously, though... what would have happened to Gus Johnson if he were announcing this game?

You don't think he was sitting at home in his bear suit, masturbating to the sound of his own screams while watching the game?

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« Reply #143 on: April 06, 2010, 09:11:11 am »
Too many shining moments for the singer. 
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« Reply #144 on: April 06, 2010, 11:46:23 am »

Those three in-bounds plays where Duke scored easily are going to haunt Butler. I'll bet they haven't given up buckets like that all year.

And those easy semi-layups and layups right under the basket that they kept missing. I counted ten and then stopped, but they had more. If they'd made those, they would've won by a double-digit margin.

Good game, and nice job for Butler, making it to the big dance in the first place.
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« Reply #145 on: April 08, 2010, 02:24:37 pm »
Is Avery Bradley just playing the "test the waters" game?  Apparently declared within the past hour or so.
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« Reply #146 on: April 08, 2010, 02:28:32 pm »
Is Avery Bradley just playing the "test the waters" game?  Apparently declared within the past hour or so.

I heard this morning that he wasn't hiring an agent, so he should be able to pull out. He might eventually be an NBA-level player, but he's definitely not ready yet, in my opinion.
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« Reply #147 on: April 08, 2010, 04:40:30 pm »
He might eventually be an NBA-level player, but he's definitely not ready yet, in my opinion.

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« Reply #148 on: April 08, 2010, 04:48:49 pm »
If he'd heard what he wanted to hear from the scouts hje'd have hired an agent but he's so freakishly talented that he probably smart in seeing if a team wants to draft him on potential, given the CBA issues looming.
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« Reply #149 on: April 08, 2010, 05:00:25 pm »
I love it.

60 draft spots and something like 3,000 people are convinced they'll be drafted this year.

Even with the CBA next year, a lot of uneducated kids are getting some really bad advice to drop out of school early.   I don't see how anyone, even the NBA, can argue one-and-done makes sense for the athletes, the league, NCAA basketball, or society in general.

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« Reply #150 on: April 08, 2010, 05:40:03 pm »
I love it.

60 draft spots and something like 3,000 people are convinced they'll be drafted this year.

Even with the CBA next year, a lot of uneducated kids are getting some really bad advice to drop out of school early.   I don't see how anyone, even the NBA, can argue one-and-done makes sense for the athletes, the league, NCAA basketball, or society in general.

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« Reply #152 on: April 08, 2010, 06:05:00 pm »
The kid has a lot of raw ability. But I don't think anyone would be interested in drafting him this year.
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« Reply #153 on: April 08, 2010, 07:02:03 pm »
Stern would rather it be two years rather than one year.

That doesn't make me feel any better either.   It's better, for sure, but it doesn't solve the real problem which is....most of the kids playing D1 ball will never make it as professionals, certainly not in the NBA.   Take a look at all the can't-miss prospects from just 4-5 years ago that are in the D League or playing in really mediocre foreign leagues making about what I made working in the mall at 16.

If we're going to lie to ourselves and say these kids have a place in these fine universities because they can play basketball and that this is the skill they are refining to get a job as a professional, they have to do a better job of protecting them from the thug agents who swoop in, promise immediate cash 'n bitches and who get their 10% and move on to the next naive prospect.   I would very much like to see a study on the odds of becoming a millionaire basketball player; not the odds of any human on earth, but of D1 players.   

Go spend 20 minutes going through the rosters of the D League and shake your head as you go "oh my god, THAT GUY!" as you pour over the names of ex-college super studs who left early for the beeg beeg mooney.

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« Reply #154 on: April 09, 2010, 08:46:54 am »
That doesn't make me feel any better either.   It's better, for sure, but it doesn't solve the real problem which is....most of the kids playing D1 ball will never make it as professionals, certainly not in the NBA.   Take a look at all the can't-miss prospects from just 4-5 years ago that are in the D League or playing in really mediocre foreign leagues making about what I made working in the mall at 16.

If we're going to lie to ourselves and say these kids have a place in these fine universities because they can play basketball and that this is the skill they are refining to get a job as a professional, they have to do a better job of protecting them from the thug agents who swoop in, promise immediate cash 'n bitches and who get their 10% and move on to the next naive prospect.   I would very much like to see a study on the odds of becoming a millionaire basketball player; not the odds of any human on earth, but of D1 players.    

Go spend 20 minutes going through the rosters of the D League and shake your head as you go "oh my god, THAT GUY!" as you pour over the names of ex-college super studs who left early for the beeg beeg mooney.

To be fair, though, some of these kids would be making what you made working in the mall at 16 their whole life otherwise.
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« Reply #155 on: April 09, 2010, 08:53:17 am »
To be fair, though, some of these kids would be making what you made working in the mall at 16 there whole life otherwise.
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« Reply #156 on: April 09, 2010, 09:02:37 am »
To be fair, though, some of these kids would be making what you made working in the mall at 16 there whole life otherwise.

I would go further and say that D1 athletes probably make better salaries 10 years later than their high school peer groups even if you throw out those who make it to be millionaire athletes. 

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« Reply #157 on: April 09, 2010, 09:10:53 am »
I would go further and say that D1 athletes probably make better salaries 10 years later than their high school peer groups even if you throw out those who make it to be millionaire athletes. 

I don't believe that for a second.   I'd like to see some proof.

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« Reply #158 on: April 09, 2010, 09:16:27 am »
To be fair, though, some of these kids would be making what you made working in the mall at 16 there whole life otherwise.

Ok, but again, if we're going to pretend that these kids are special enough to go to college, they shouldn't be making minimum fucking wage 10 years out of school. 

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« Reply #159 on: April 09, 2010, 09:59:53 am »
Ok, but again, if we're going to pretend that these kids are special enough to go to college, they shouldn't be making minimum fucking wage 10 years out of school. 

We're not fooling anyone about the realities of college sports.  Some of these kids (likely a very small percentage, granted) were special enough basketball players to go to college to play basketball and would otherwise not have gone even if it was free.  Hell, some of those same kids would not have stayed in HS if not for basketball.  I have no problem with them going to college even for just one year if it helps them get to their dream of playing professional basketball.  I think, too, it's unfair for you to suggest that their only reason to go pro (or to validate their decision) is money.  If I could play professional golf at 18, I would have happily lived well below the poverty level to do so.
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« Reply #160 on: April 09, 2010, 10:05:17 am »
I think, too, it's unfair for you to suggest that their only reason to go pro (or to validate their decision) is money.  If I could play professional golf at 18, I would have happily lived well below the poverty level to do so.

It is not only fair, but 99% accurate.  You, sir, are not the target here.   What you or I would have done at 18 to not have to go work in daddy's factory and be able to play kids games for a living is not what the average inner city person who now finds themselves responsible for multiple generations of their family would do.   That's not even apples to helicopters.

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« Reply #161 on: April 09, 2010, 10:11:57 am »
It is not only fair, but 99% accurate.  You, sir, are not the target here.   What you or I would have done at 18 to not have to go work in daddy's factory and be able to play kids games for a living is not what the average inner city person who now finds themselves responsible for multiple generations of their family would do.   That's not even apples to helicopters.


These kids aren't average.  They have a unique talent, which may not last another 10 years.  I don't see how you could fault them for leveraging and enjoying it as long as they can.  You may not define them as productive, but who gives a fuck?  I am 100% confident our society is not falling apart because of 18 year old basketball players.
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« Reply #162 on: April 09, 2010, 10:16:01 am »
I don't believe that for a second.   I'd like to see some proof.

Don't have much, but first you have to compare them to people with the same SATs, high school grades and socio-economic background, i.e. not the student body of the college they are attending.  For many athletes, this is not a terribly difficult population to out perform.  

Second, being a college athlete gets you introduced to a network of people who like sports and their school and who might help you out.  This is probably most true in sales and marketing positions where talking about sports and schools disarms people.

Third, athletic people tend to be more successful than non-athletic people all other things being equal, mainly because they are in better shape and look "successful".  

Fourth, I bet successful athletes have more people watching out for them when they are young and keep them from getting in trouble.  Nothing screws up your financial outlook more than a felony conviction.

Maybe someone who knows more student-athletes could set me straight.

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« Reply #163 on: April 09, 2010, 10:23:29 am »
Re Bradley: if the NBA teams tell him he is a first round pick, he goes. If not, he stays.

This is the approach James took. The question is whether Bradley will believe/act on what he hears if the news is bad.
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« Reply #164 on: April 09, 2010, 10:24:19 am »
These kids aren't average.  They have a unique talent, which may not last another 10 years.  I don't see how you could fault them for leveraging and enjoying it as long as they can.  You may not define them as productive, but who gives a fuck?  I am 100% confident our society is not falling apart because of 18 year old basketball players.

I've written and rewritten and deleted 11 responses to this post now and decided it was best if I just dropped it.  We're clearly just not having the same discussion and I'll take the blame for it.


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« Reply #165 on: April 09, 2010, 10:33:55 am »
Re Bradley: if the NBA teams tell him he is a first round pick, he goes. If not, he stays.

This is the approach James took. The question is whether Bradley will believe/act on what he hears if the news is bad.

Do the NBA teams do a good job of only telling about 32 kids that they're likely to be first round picks? A lot of what I see happening this time of year seems to smack of a willful disregard for fundamental arithmetic.
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« Reply #166 on: April 09, 2010, 10:38:42 am »
Re Bradley: if the NBA teams tell him he is a first round pick, he goes. If not, he stays.

This is the approach James took. The question is whether Bradley will believe/act on what he hears if the news is bad.

Best scenarios I've seen for him are 21st to 28th pick, with most reports gravitating towards the latter.  That's a big risk range, given the dropoff in what you're offered between the two rounds.  The whole work stoppage forecast for a year from now has a lot of kids thinking they need to take the whole plunge rather than stopping at the mere "test the waters" stage.  

A lot of high quality players are gonna get burned come draft night (1st round projects for '11 falling into Round Two), meaning quality players that would have been 2nd round picks this year won't even get drafted.  If the work stoppage is avoided next off-season, it'll burn even more.
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« Reply #167 on: April 09, 2010, 10:44:35 am »
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« Reply #168 on: April 09, 2010, 11:11:33 am »
I am not an expert on this process, but the NBA teams/scouts were very frank with James.
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« Reply #169 on: April 09, 2010, 11:16:08 am »
The kid has a lot of raw ability. But I don't think anyone would be interested in drafting him this year.

He may be drafted but it likely could be the second round.  I think he'd be better off doing what Damian James did.  Plus, next year's team might be fun to play on.

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« Reply #170 on: April 09, 2010, 12:45:57 pm »
Every year there are probably 45 kids that are sure they are first round draft picks.

I think Bradley could really benefit from another two years at UT.
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