Author Topic: BA Top 10 (Read 6393 times)

astrosfan76 · « **on:** November 20, 2009, 10:05:25 am »

1. Castro
2. Mier
3. Lyles
4. Gervacio
5. Lo
6. Seaton
7. Bushue
8. Austin
9. Gaston
10. Steele

Article says blah, blah, blah, here are examples of teams that jumped up in the rankings by trading for prospects. Houston should try it, but hasn't. Talent drops off after first three.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2010/269173.html

Russe · « **Reply #1 on:** November 20, 2009, 10:13:35 am »

If anyone has any specific questions for the chat, throw 'em up on here and I'll see if I can get you an answer.

juliogotay · « **Reply #2 on:** November 20, 2009, 10:33:58 am »

Does BA really believe that their projected 2013 starting lineup will look like that? I know they can't project for free agent signings and trades but do they really think Oswalt, Berkman and Lee will be on this club four years down the road or is that laziness?

Manzella and Chris Johnson are not among the Top 10 prospects. Do we suppose that is because they are not ranked that high or no longer considered prospects? I don't see how they could be considered anything but prospects based on their limited ML time.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #3 on:** November 20, 2009, 10:37:16 am »

Quote from: juliogotay on November 20, 2009, 10:33:58 am

Does BA really believe that their projected 2013 starting lineup will look like that? I know they can't project for free agent signings and trades but do they really think Oswalt, Berkman and Lee will be on this club four years down the road or is that laziness?

Manzella and Chris Johnson are not among the Top 10 prospects. Do we suppose that is because they are not ranked that high or no longer considered prospects? I don't see how they could be considered anything but prospects based on their limited ML time.

I think that entire thing is a throwing up of their collective hands. They don't seem to have a clear view of what the Astros really have seeing as how most of their best prospects are so young and how many of the major league stars are aging with few apparent prospects to replace them.

Russe · « **Reply #4 on:** November 20, 2009, 10:42:34 am »

The projected lineup is just to show depth. The BA guys themselves say not to read into to it too much, because they don't do things like predict retirements or FA signings.

juliogotay · « **Reply #5 on:** November 20, 2009, 10:52:34 am »

Bogusevic was the biggest decliner from last year falling all the way out of the Top 10 from # 4 last year. I read into that a little disappointment in his progress. Certainly doesn't show much power for a corner OFer.

astrosfan76 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 20, 2009, 11:28:00 am »

Quote from: Russe on November 20, 2009, 10:13:35 am

If anyone has any specific questions for the chat, throw 'em up on here and I'll see if I can get you an answer.

1. Is Gervacio's ranking reflective of his talent, or a lack of talent behind him?
2. After Castro and Mier, do any of the other position players project to be more than role players?

Thanks for offering

Jacksonian · « **Reply #7 on:** November 20, 2009, 12:49:21 pm »

Quote from: astrosfan76 on November 20, 2009, 11:28:00 am

1. Is Gervacio's ranking reflective of his talent, or a lack of talent behind him?
2. After Castro and Mier, do any of the other position players project to be more than role players?

Thanks for offering

1. You'd have to ask BA.

2. Austin and Steele certainly project to be starters. The Astros talk of Steele as a true 5-tool guy. I wouldn't be surprised if he were in RF by 2013. Gaston has serious power but has to demonstrate the ability to hit for a better average. I'm sitting here thinking, as of right now, he's more bench than starter.

moriartp · « **Reply #8 on:** November 20, 2009, 01:29:27 pm »

Knowing that he isn't the toolsiest of players, I can't say I'm surprised to see JB Shuck absent from their top ten. I'm still really curious as to how he's regarded, though--after all, he was 4 hits off the Minor League lead this season. BA noted him as having the best plate discipline in the system, too--he struck out in less than a tenth of his at-bats and walked a good amount. He doesn't hit home runs and doesn't hit lefties very well, but from a glance at his numbers he looks like he could still be a very good leadoff hitter. I also have no indication either way of how well be plays centerfield.

ETA: I'd also like to point out that my BA subscription picked one hell of a time to expire.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #9 on:** November 20, 2009, 03:38:41 pm »

Quote from: muircheartaigh on November 20, 2009, 01:29:27 pm

Knowing that he isn't the toolsiest of players, I can't say I'm surprised to see JB Shuck absent from their top ten. I'm still really curious as to how he's regarded, though--after all, he was 4 hits off the Minor League lead this season. BA noted him as having the best plate discipline in the system, too--he struck out in less than a tenth of his at-bats and walked a good amount. He doesn't hit home runs and doesn't hit lefties very well, but from a glance at his numbers he looks like he could still be a very good leadoff hitter. I also have no indication either way of how well be plays centerfield.

ETA: I'd also like to point out that my BA subscription picked one hell of a time to expire.

He's got very good speed and is a good defender. Slappy, no power. BA doesn't generally care for that kind of hitter unless they think he can threaten .400 as a major leaguer.

Think Brett Butler.

Duder · « **Reply #10 on:** November 22, 2009, 07:35:37 am »

A few questions for anyone in the know about their best tools list.

1. Is Jio Meyer better defensively than Manzella? (or are they projecting he will be better than Manzella)
2. Is Steele better defensively than Ramirez?
3. How hard does Arcenio Leon throw?
4. Do you think Gervacio would have been rated nearly as high if he had not had such an impressive stint in the big leagues?

Jacksonian · « **Reply #11 on:** November 22, 2009, 03:36:09 pm »

Quote from: Duder on November 22, 2009, 07:35:37 am

A few questions for anyone in the know about their best tools list.

1. Is Jio Meyer better defensively than Manzella? (or are they projecting he will be better than Manzella)
2. Is Steele better defensively than Ramirez?
3. How hard does Arcenio Leon throw?
4. Do you think Gervacio would have been rated nearly as high if he had not had such an impressive stint in the big leagues?

Only BA would know for sure, but, my guesses...

1. probably projecting
2. Steele is more of a prospect than YRam so I'd guess there's some bias.
3. dunno
4. most likely

DallasAstro · « **Reply #12 on:** November 22, 2009, 07:16:24 pm »

I am glad to see some position players in our top 10 (we have been lacking recently). Would like to know more about Austin and Steele. Austin seems to be a similar player to Bourn - so I am not certain of his long term future with the organization since I believe that Bourn will be here for some time (home town). Steele seems to have a lot of upside, but health may curtail his career.

juliogotay · « **Reply #13 on:** November 22, 2009, 07:41:19 pm »

Quote from: DallasAstro on November 22, 2009, 07:16:24 pm

I am glad to see some position players in our top 10 (we have been lacking recently). Would like to know more about Austin and Steele. Austin seems to be a similar player to Bourn - so I am not certain of his long term future with the organization since I believe that Bourn will be here for some time (home town). Steele seems to have a lot of upside, but health may curtail his career.

Steele's issues have all been leg-related I believe. Hopefully something he can overcome.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #14 on:** November 22, 2009, 08:19:36 pm »

Quote from: juliogotay on November 22, 2009, 07:41:19 pm

Steele's issues have all been leg-related I believe. Hopefully something he can overcome.

Although Houston requires its outfielders, generally speaking, to play all 3 positions, I wouldn't be surprised to see Steele in RF as a major leaguer. If he makes it that far.

DallasAstro · « **Reply #15 on:** November 22, 2009, 10:42:04 pm »

This will be a huge year for Steele - must be healthy and show more power than this past year. I believe that he will be in Corpus and I plan to go see both him and Gaston in Frisco.

Austin should be in High A - he still has some growth in the game. As I stated earlier, no other position players seem like up and comers. From a pitching perspective, it will be interesting to see what they do with all the low A pitchers.

OregonStrosFan · « **Reply #16 on:** November 23, 2009, 05:40:36 pm »

BA has a piece on Jio today, so anyone with a subscription feel free to post some of the highlights.

domedogs · « **Reply #17 on:** November 30, 2009, 08:41:06 am »

It's by Levine and is virtually word for word the same blog post he had on chron.com from a month or so ago when he interviewed Mier.

juliogotay · « **Reply #18 on:** January 02, 2010, 11:25:16 am »

I collect BA when they do their NL Central Top 10. I probably have the last 12 years or so but haven't seen this years'. Does anyone know if they have already put that issue out and I missed it or is it still to come?
Since the Astros Top 10 was released on-line in November I'm afraid that I missed it. It's not easy to find in stores.

Reuben · « **Reply #19 on:** January 03, 2010, 06:12:49 pm »

I have no idea, but I did recently find a (free) podcast on the BA site talking about the NL Central Top 10's. Basically, they said that there's no system that particularly stands out above the others. They seem to be high on one or two guys from the Pirates, Cubs, and Reds, and reiterated that Houston has a drop-off after the top 3 of Castro, Lyles, and Mier. However they said they'd take any of those 3 over the Cards' #1 guy (Shelby Miller I think).

VirtualBob · « **Reply #20 on:** January 04, 2010, 08:51:47 am »

Quote from: juliogotay on January 02, 2010, 11:25:16 am

I collect BA when they do their NL Central Top 10. I probably have the last 12 years or so but haven't seen this years'. Does anyone know if they have already put that issue out and I missed it or is it still to come?
Since the Astros Top 10 was released on-line in November I'm afraid that I missed it. It's not easy to find in stores.

A recap and a "where are they now" would be a nice post (if you have the time and inclination).

juliogotay · « **Reply #21 on:** January 04, 2010, 09:03:02 am »

Quote from: VirtualBob on January 04, 2010, 08:51:47 am

A recap and a "where are they now" would be a nice post (if you have the time and inclination).

I'll take the re-cap part under consideration. It actually could be fun. I'm not much of a resource for where they are now.

VirtualBob · « **Reply #22 on:** January 05, 2010, 09:06:23 am »

Quote from: juliogotay on January 04, 2010, 09:03:02 am

I'll take the re-cap part under consideration. It actually could be fun. I'm not much of a resource for where they are now.

If you post the recap, I'll spend some time on "part 2".