Author Topic: Ortiz released (Read 12571 times)

Lefty · « **on:** July 30, 2009, 04:43:50 pm »

Gervacio up.

Per Footer.

domedogs · « **Reply #1 on:** July 30, 2009, 04:48:23 pm »

I just heard a chorus singing "Halleluiah"

JackAstro · « **Reply #2 on:** July 30, 2009, 04:48:47 pm »

Huh. I guess Norris is in the rotation for real now.

BudGirl · « **Reply #3 on:** July 30, 2009, 04:51:00 pm »

what about paulino? when he comes back, assuming he comes back.

Andyzipp · « **Reply #4 on:** July 30, 2009, 04:51:10 pm »

Too bad for Russ. He's not nearly the whiner that Cooper turned him into.

I wish he could have put up the numbers.

So Hampton keeps his job for now?

Guinness · « **Reply #5 on:** July 30, 2009, 04:52:46 pm »

Quote from: Andyzipp on July 30, 2009, 04:51:10 pm

Too bad for Russ. He's not nearly the whiner that Cooper turned him into.

I wish he could have put up the numbers.

So Hampton keeps his job for now?

I thought that as well, but then remembered that Hampton is left handed, so he gets a pass.

JimR · « **Reply #6 on:** July 30, 2009, 04:55:20 pm »

fucking Cooper. his prayers were answered. i liked Ortiz.

VirtualBob · « **Reply #7 on:** July 30, 2009, 04:56:04 pm »

Gervacio??? He has looked terrible this year, so I went to check the stats. More than a K/IP and <.240 BAA. I don't have any idea how he got those stats given what I saw when he was out on the mound. Anyone see more than I did?

hostros7 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 30, 2009, 04:56:33 pm »

Hopefully it was conveyed to Ortiz that today could be his last start for the club. Hate to see a vet get blindsided, or as blindsided as one can be who has sucked balls for the better part of the season.

JackAstro · « **Reply #9 on:** July 30, 2009, 04:56:44 pm »

Quote from: BudGirl on July 30, 2009, 04:51:00 pm

what about paulino? when he comes back, assuming he comes back.

I figure if they wanted him back up right now, it wouldn't have been Gervacio. I hope it stays that way, because if Norris and Paulino are on the same roster without another starter falling out of the rotation, they're both screwed. They'll swap places between the rotation and the pen so many times, they'll have no fucking idea what they're doing within a month.

JimR · « **Reply #10 on:** July 30, 2009, 04:56:58 pm »

Quote from: VirtualBob on July 30, 2009, 04:56:04 pm

Gervacio??? He has looked terrible this year, so I went to check the stats. More than a K/IP and <.240 BAA. I don't have any idea how he got those stats given what I saw when he was out on the mound. Anyone see more than I did?

i saw him good once and terrible 5-6 times.

where the fuck is Bazardo?

BudGirl · « **Reply #11 on:** July 30, 2009, 04:58:04 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 30, 2009, 04:56:58 pm

i saw him good once and terrible 5-6 times.

where the fuck is Bazardo?

I was hoping Bazardo, who I thought has some MLB experience, would get called up by the Astros 1st (over Norris). But, he apparently pissed someone off.

Andyzipp · « **Reply #12 on:** July 30, 2009, 04:59:18 pm »

They must think that Roy is going to be able to come back and pitch Sunday.

So, effectively, Norris replaces Ortiz.

JackAstro · « **Reply #13 on:** July 30, 2009, 05:01:42 pm »

Quote from: Andyzipp on July 30, 2009, 04:59:18 pm

They must think that Roy is going to be able to come back and pitch Sunday.

So, effectively, Norris replaces Ortiz.

Or, Roy's going on the DL. Dun dun duuuuuuuuuuuuun

hostros7 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 30, 2009, 05:03:20 pm »

Quote from: JackAstro on July 30, 2009, 05:01:42 pm

Or, Roy's going on the DL. Dun dun duuuuuuuuuuuuun

If Roy goes on the DL, it won't be until after he warms up and pitches an inning or two on Sunday. Have you not been following how Coop rolls?

MusicMan · « **Reply #15 on:** July 30, 2009, 05:04:03 pm »

given baxardo has prior mlb experience, any chance this is an options/service time issue?

JimR · « **Reply #16 on:** July 30, 2009, 05:08:55 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 30, 2009, 05:04:03 pm

given baxardo has prior mlb experience, any chance this is an options/service time issue?

pre-draft, Heck did not know who he is.

Noe · « **Reply #17 on:** July 30, 2009, 05:16:57 pm »

Cecil Cooper: "It's unfortunate it didn't work out with Russ. He had a few games that were good, not enough consistency."

Russ Ortiz: "I told them I understood. This is an important time of year. Obviously, they didn't feel like they can send me out there."

Cecil Cooper: "We cant keep going like this it's killing our bullpen. Particularly today was really tough on us."

Duder · « **Reply #18 on:** July 30, 2009, 05:19:52 pm »

What are the chances Bazardo comes up in the near future to take Hampton's spot? Also, what if Roy can't go Sunday and Norris takes the start. Does the team call up Paulino or Bazardo to pitch in Ortiz's slot?

Noe · « **Reply #19 on:** July 30, 2009, 05:22:33 pm »

Quote from: Duder on July 30, 2009, 05:19:52 pm

What are the chances Bazardo comes up in the near future to take Hampton's spot? Also, what if Roy can't go Sunday and Norris takes the start. Does the team call up Paulino or Bazardo to pitch in Ortiz's slot?

Cecil Cooper's head just exploded.

Duder · « **Reply #20 on:** July 30, 2009, 05:23:08 pm »

Quote from: Noe in Austin on July 30, 2009, 05:22:33 pm

Cecil Cooper's head just exploded.

We can only hope.

Matt · « **Reply #21 on:** July 30, 2009, 05:23:20 pm »

Did Paulino totally fall out of favor?

GreatBagwellsBeard · « **Reply #22 on:** July 30, 2009, 05:30:57 pm »

Looking ahead, it seems like the youth movement is in full swing for the 2010 rotation. I guess this also means (for the time being) that Norris is being looked at as a starter, as opposed to the rumored move to the 'pen.

JackAstro · « **Reply #23 on:** July 30, 2009, 05:49:53 pm »

Quote from: GreatBagwellsBeard on July 30, 2009, 05:30:57 pm

Looking ahead, it seems like the youth movement is in full swing for the 2010 rotation. I guess this also means (for the time being) that Norris is being looked at as a starter, as opposed to the rumored move to the 'pen.

Unless... they're moving Gervacio into the rotation! DID I JUST BLOW YOUR FUCKING MIND?

Hornstros · « **Reply #24 on:** July 30, 2009, 06:56:45 pm »

seems like Ortiz could find a spot on another club coming out of the pen. i don't have the numbers in front of me, but it seemed he worked pretty good out of the bullpen when Cooper had him in that role. Hope he's able to catch on somewhere else

But i'm with the consensus here. Ortiz and not Hampton? And who the hell is going to start if both Oswalt and (obviously) Ortiz's next spot in the rotation need to be filled? Norris will be filling one, but who will start the other? Paulino just got fucking rocked by the Omaha Royals a few days ago so it seems nonsensical to call him back up. I know a lot of people here have been calling for Bazardo...the stage almost seems set for that to happen if RoyO can't go

GreatBagwellsBeard · « **Reply #25 on:** July 30, 2009, 07:08:24 pm »

Quote from: JackAstro on July 30, 2009, 05:49:53 pm

Unless... they're moving Gervacio into the rotation! DID I JUST BLOW YOUR FUCKING MIND?

I won't believe it until it's amusingly p-shopped.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #26 on:** July 30, 2009, 10:03:29 pm »

Quote from: JackAstro on July 30, 2009, 05:49:53 pm

Unless... they're moving Gervacio into the rotation! DID I JUST BLOW YOUR FUCKING MIND?

I suppose everyone's forgotten Polin Trinidad.

Fredia · « **Reply #27 on:** July 30, 2009, 10:12:43 pm »

wow that would be a major draw. my daughter who used to salivate over pence is now eying Norris. It could become a whole new ball game give each rookie a section like they did pence and only play to teenage women and women in their younger 20s. also maybe a few guys on the girl side of the fence. someone suggest that to Cecil and see how long it takes him to fly the coop

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #28 on:** July 30, 2009, 10:13:32 pm »

I don't see how the team can keep Hampton much longer given his non-Pirate stats.

GreatBagwellsBeard · « **Reply #29 on:** July 30, 2009, 10:15:58 pm »

On the upside, with the moves that the Pirates made today, Hammy might be able to get his ERA into negative numbers against them.

pots · « **Reply #30 on:** July 31, 2009, 07:22:25 am »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on July 30, 2009, 10:13:32 pm

I don't see how the team can keep Hampton much longer given his non-Pirate stats.

Still a series left against Pittsburgh

Duke · « **Reply #31 on:** July 31, 2009, 08:27:39 am »

Quote from: Fredia on July 30, 2009, 10:12:43 pm

wow that would be a major draw. my daughter who used to salivate over pence is now eying Norris. It could become a whole new ball game give each rookie a section like they did pence and only play to teenage women and women in their younger 20s. also maybe a few guys on the girl side of the fence. someone suggest that to Cecil and see how long it takes him to fly the coop

Pence? Really? I don't get it, but then I'm not a young lady either so I guess it doesn't matter.

geezerdonk · « **Reply #32 on:** July 31, 2009, 08:32:22 am »

Ortiz had nothing left. I appreciate his effort. Hampton is in the same category.

Limey · « **Reply #33 on:** July 31, 2009, 09:31:24 am »

Quote from: Jacksonian on July 30, 2009, 10:03:29 pm

I suppose everyone's forgotten Polin Trinidad.

Are you kidding? I'm still trying to forget Palin Alaska.

Limey · « **Reply #34 on:** July 31, 2009, 09:33:15 am »

Quote from: geezerdonk on July 31, 2009, 08:32:22 am

Ortiz had nothing left. I appreciate his effort. Hampton is in the same category.

I hated watching Ortiz pitch, because he made Timmah Redding look like The Flash.

Gizzmonic · « **Reply #35 on:** July 31, 2009, 09:51:30 am »

Quote from: Limey on July 31, 2009, 09:33:15 am

I hated watching Ortiz pitch, because he made Timmah Redding look like The Flash.

Yep, lots of walks, nibbling, geological eons between each pitch. Not fun to watch.

Limey · « **Reply #36 on:** July 31, 2009, 09:53:36 am »

Quote from: Gizzmonic on July 31, 2009, 09:51:30 am

Yep, lots of walks, nibbling, geological eons between each pitch. Not fun to watch.

Probably not a lot of fun to play defense behind either.

JimR · « **Reply #37 on:** July 31, 2009, 10:09:56 am »

Quote from: Noe in Austin on July 30, 2009, 05:16:57 pm

Cecil Cooper: "It's unfortunate it didn't work out with Russ. He had a few games that were good, not enough consistency."

Russ Ortiz: "I told them I understood. This is an important time of year. Obviously, they didn't feel like they can send me out there."

Cecil Cooper: "We cant keep going like this it's killing our bullpen. Particularly today was really tough on us."

this is one of the things about Cooper i like the least. Ortiz was classy. not so Cooper. rather than just expressing regret for the release and thanking him for his effort, Cooper has to talk about how Ortiz was hurting the team.

Limey · « **Reply #38 on:** July 31, 2009, 10:13:52 am »

Quote from: JimR on July 31, 2009, 10:09:56 am

this is one of the things about Cooper i like the least. Ortiz was classy. not so Cooper. rather than just expressing regret for the release and thanking him for his effort, Cooper has to talk about how Ortiz was hurting the team.

It's called "projection".

juliogotay · « **Reply #39 on:** July 31, 2009, 10:29:01 am »

Quote from: Jacksonian on July 30, 2009, 10:03:29 pm

I suppose everyone's forgotten Polin Trinidad.

I like him. He's coming off of a couple of rocky starts but I think he'll be in the rotation either this year or next. Not an ace type but I'd bet an upgrade on Hampton now.

Mr. Happy · « **Reply #40 on:** July 31, 2009, 10:34:43 am »

Quote from: JimR on July 31, 2009, 10:09:56 am

this is one of the things about Cooper i like the least. Ortiz was classy. not so Cooper. rather than just expressing regret for the release and thanking him for his effort, Cooper has to talk about how Ortiz was hurting the team.

Agreed. Cooper has to resort to the use of hyperbole too. It wasn't killing anyone. It was hurting the bullpen.

Limey · « **Reply #41 on:** July 31, 2009, 10:35:04 am »

Quote from: juliogotay on July 31, 2009, 10:29:01 am

Not an ace type but I'd bet an upgrade on Hampton now.

Trinidad, and half the civilised world.

JackAstro · « **Reply #42 on:** July 31, 2009, 10:43:00 am »

Quote from: Limey on July 31, 2009, 10:35:04 am

Trinidad, and half the civilised world.

I throw a nice eephus, and am available for the major league minimum. Someone please call me.

Taras Bulba · « **Reply #43 on:** July 31, 2009, 11:07:51 am »

Quote from: JackAstro on July 31, 2009, 10:43:00 am

I throw a nice eephus, and am available for the major league minimum. Someone please call me.

Your ad on Craig's List says you're available for a lot less. What gives?

JackAstro · « **Reply #44 on:** July 31, 2009, 11:10:07 am »

Quote from: Taras Bulba on July 31, 2009, 11:07:51 am

Your ad on Craig's List says you're available for a lot less. What gives?

Rates scale by number of cameras involved. This is basic stuff, you know how it works.

Matt · « **Reply #45 on:** July 31, 2009, 12:16:20 pm »

Quote from: Limey on July 31, 2009, 09:33:15 am

I hated watching Ortiz pitch, because he made Timmah Redding look like The Flash.

You don't want the team to trade for Garland then. When he was pitching for the Angels I saw a glacier go by.

Noe · « **Reply #46 on:** July 31, 2009, 01:41:38 pm »

Quote from: Mr. Happy on July 31, 2009, 10:34:43 am

Agreed. Cooper has to resort to the use of hyperbole too. It wasn't killing anyone. It was hurting the bullpen.

The thing about Cooper's comments, IMHO, is how reluctant he was to let a starter get out of his own mess (the Anti-Dierker). If he had to burn the pen to get out of a situation, he would do so ("he" meaning "Cooper"). So Coop is just trigger happy when it comes to warming guys up in the pen to get an inning back in line. He can't help himself... he doesn't know what it is like to manage an game from a pitcher's perspective. LaRussa listens to Duncan, Leyland was a former catcher, Scocia the same, Dierker a former pitcher, etc. Cooper is a former LF and First baseman... so he thinks like a position player when he reacts to in-game situations.

Drives pitchers (and catchers) batty. So if Cooper is worried about the pen (and I don't doubt he is, I think he's sincere), then he needs to look in the mirror and say to self "I gotta listen to Dewey more... I don't know what I'm doing!".

Ty in Tampa · « **Reply #47 on:** July 31, 2009, 02:04:35 pm »

Quote from: JackAstro on July 31, 2009, 11:10:07 am

Rates scale by number of cameras involved. This is basic stuff, you know how it works.

"Also excels at Uno."

Fredia · « **Reply #48 on:** July 31, 2009, 02:08:56 pm »

so that is what coop has been doing to get pitchers in shape brilliant

MusicMan · « **Reply #49 on:** July 31, 2009, 02:16:42 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 31, 2009, 10:09:56 am

this is one of the things about Cooper i like the least. Ortiz was classy. not so Cooper. rather than just expressing regret for the release and thanking him for his effort, Cooper has to talk about how Ortiz was hurting the team.

And yet he does it without the flash, attention grabbing, or chapionship of Ozzie Guillen. So he's low-class AND boring.

Author Topic: Ortiz released (Read 12571 times)

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