Author Topic: Carlos Lee and the Texas Leaguer (Read 8329 times)

pravata · « **on:** April 09, 2009, 01:36:36 pm »

Monday a bloop single dropped between Tejada and Lee. Pregame on Wed. they asked him about the boos. He said he wasn't bothered. However, because of what happened with Everett he's nervous about coming in hard. He said he's always checking where Tejada is.

JimR · « **Reply #1 on:** April 09, 2009, 01:48:13 pm »

Quote from: pravata on April 09, 2009, 01:36:36 pm

Monday a bloop single dropped between Tejada and Lee. Pregame on Wed. they asked him about the boos. He said he wasn't bothered. However, because of what happened with Everett he's nervous about coming in hard. He said he's always checking where Tejada is.

excellent plan. Tejada did not go get the ball, probably for the same reason.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #2 on:** April 09, 2009, 02:19:23 pm »

I know it was on my mind as well as that of the people sitting around me. Probably another 5,000 or so at the park, if not more.

Noe · « **Reply #3 on:** April 09, 2009, 04:13:14 pm »

Quote from: Ron Brand on April 09, 2009, 02:19:23 pm

I know it was on my mind as well as that of the people sitting around me. Probably another 5,000 or so at the park, if not more.

Funny how we all muttered basically the same thing, almost bringing the opinion out as a scream when you put all our whispers together.

pravata · « **Reply #4 on:** April 09, 2009, 04:25:33 pm »

Quote from: Noe in Austin on April 09, 2009, 04:13:14 pm

Funny how we all muttered basically the same thing, almost bringing the opinion out as a scream when you put all our whispers together.

Absolutely, the spectators could not help think back. What is news here is that Carlos has it in his mind and admits it affects his play. It's easy to say "of course he does that's obvious", but it means something (to me at least) that he came out and said it.

Noe · « **Reply #5 on:** April 09, 2009, 04:29:32 pm »

Quote from: pravata on April 09, 2009, 04:25:33 pm

Absolutely, the spectators could not help think back. What is news here is that Carlos has it in his mind and admits it affects his play. It's easy to say "of course he does that's obvious", but it means something (to me at least) that he came out and said it.

Yup. It means that he is very comfortable with his no-trade clause. And of course he hears the criticism of behing lazy and all and has his answer in place. But being there watching him, Carlos just looks like he's running in quick sand... a lot. That is beyond just coming in on a fly ball and hoping not to steam roll Miggy in the process. No, overall, just taking off on a dead sprint to get back, to the gap, to the foul line... anywhere, Mr. Lee is very slow.

Period.

MusicMan · « **Reply #6 on:** April 09, 2009, 04:32:58 pm »

Quote from: Noe in Austin on April 09, 2009, 04:29:32 pm

No, overall, just taking off on a dead sprint to get back, to the gap, to the foul line... anywhere, Mr. Lee is very slow.

Period.

2011-12 at $17M per is not going to be pretty.

pravata · « **Reply #7 on:** April 09, 2009, 04:35:50 pm »

Quote from: Noe in Austin on April 09, 2009, 04:29:32 pm

Yup. It means that he is very comfortable with his no-trade clause. And of course he hears the criticism of behing lazy and all and has his answer in place. But being there watching him, Carlos just looks like he's running in quick sand... a lot. That is beyond just coming in on a fly ball and hoping not to steam roll Miggy in the process. No, overall, just taking off on a dead sprint to get back, to the gap, to the foul line... anywhere, Mr. Lee is very slow.

Period.

You think this was an excuse?

Matt · « **Reply #8 on:** April 09, 2009, 04:36:09 pm »

Carlos Lee and the Texas Leaguer sounds like the title for a children's book.

outlookdude · « **Reply #9 on:** April 09, 2009, 04:37:28 pm »

I see the humor in the question….but seriously - is it just me or does it seem like he has lost a step?

Noe · « **Reply #10 on:** April 09, 2009, 04:38:15 pm »

Quote from: pravata on April 09, 2009, 04:35:50 pm

You think this was an excuse?

I'm not sure. I suspect it was. He was hammered pretty hard for that play by the talking heads the next day. Not that it matters, I think the media is a bit disingenuous at times. But in this case, Lee might have a reason why he doesn't come hard in for a ball and maybe he just wanted to let folks know about it... sort of taking away the calls that he is "lazy", which I personally do not believe he is. At. All.

pravata · « **Reply #11 on:** April 09, 2009, 05:28:48 pm »

Quote from: outlookdude on April 09, 2009, 04:37:28 pm

I see the humor in the question….but seriously - is it just me or does it seem like he has lost a step?

That's what gets me, was he ever fast? What do people expect?

BudGirl · « **Reply #12 on:** April 09, 2009, 05:29:20 pm »

Quote from: pravata on April 09, 2009, 05:28:48 pm

That's what gets me, was he ever fast? What do people expect?

everything

pravata · « **Reply #13 on:** April 09, 2009, 05:30:24 pm »

Quote from: Noe in Austin on April 09, 2009, 04:38:15 pm

I'm not sure. I suspect it was. He was hammered pretty hard for that play by the talking heads the next day. Not that it matters, I think the media is a bit disingenuous at times. But in this case, Lee might have a reason why he doesn't come hard in for a ball and maybe he just wanted to let folks know about it... sort of taking away the calls that he is "lazy", which I personally do not believe he is. At. All.

I think the play with Everett was a traumatic experience for him. That's what he sounded like. Not hard to understand why he doesnt want it to happen again, although I think Tejada, with a full head of steam, would give a pretty good hit himself.

MusicMan · « **Reply #14 on:** April 09, 2009, 05:33:43 pm »

Quote from: pravata on April 09, 2009, 05:30:24 pm

I think the play with Everett was a traumatic experience for him.

Just because he ran into a helluva nice guy, a guy viewed as the team leader, a guy whose been through some really, really bad shit in his life, and crushed his leg, ruining not only his season but a lot of his future earnings potential... why would that be traumatic?

JimR · « **Reply #15 on:** April 09, 2009, 05:57:22 pm »

What fols forget is that ball was as much the SS ball as the LF. Why did Miggy not go get it?

Ron Brand · « **Reply #16 on:** April 09, 2009, 07:40:15 pm »

Quote from: JimR on April 09, 2009, 05:57:22 pm

What fols forget is that ball was as much the SS ball as the LF. Why did Miggy not go get it?

It looked like he saw Lee and bailed on it. Maybe he thought Lee wouldn't be able to hold up if he kept chasing the ball so he stopped, or maybe Lee was barking for the ball and wouldn't stop. Or maybe Miggy is too cautious as well.

pravata · « **Reply #17 on:** April 09, 2009, 10:04:22 pm »

Quote from: JimR on April 09, 2009, 05:57:22 pm

What fols forget is that ball was as much the SS ball as the LF. Why did Miggy not go get it?

Lee talked about that too. Left is shallower than most parks at the BUS, pops that are typically obviously shortstops play fall in no mans land at the BUS. Also, there's the whole running into Carlos Lee and shattering your leg and ruining your career for a year until another team that gets the concept of a shortstop that can catch the ball picks you up again.

JimR · « **Reply #18 on:** April 10, 2009, 07:38:02 am »

Quote from: pravata on April 09, 2009, 10:04:22 pm

Lee talked about that too. Left is shallower than most parks at the BUS, pops that are typically obviously shortstops play fall in no mans land at the BUS. Also, there's the whole running into Carlos Lee and shattering your leg and ruining your career for a year until another team that gets the concept of a shortstop that can catch the ball picks you up again.

yes, i think the AE play affected both Lee and Tejada.

Limey · « **Reply #19 on:** April 10, 2009, 08:51:36 am »

Quote from: JimR on April 10, 2009, 07:38:02 am

yes, i think the AE play affected both Lee and Tejada.

And AE.

Gizzmonic · « **Reply #20 on:** April 10, 2009, 09:34:49 am »

I thought this thread might be about Carlos' two-strike approach and how he frequently squirts it to right.

outlookdude · « **Reply #21 on:** April 10, 2009, 10:06:23 am »

Quote from: pravata on April 09, 2009, 05:28:48 pm

That's what gets me, was he ever fast? What do people expect?

Who said anything about any expectations? Much less "everything"?

I know from first hand experience that slow people can get slower. Maybe it is just my perception because I didn't watch him run for months during the off-season. And, I have only seen him on TV. But, it has seemed like he is moving slower than he has in the past......I'm not trashing the guy, or asking him to be something that he isn't. It was just an honest question to help measure the accuracy of my perception.

Rebel Jew · « **Reply #22 on:** April 10, 2009, 11:29:37 am »

Quote from: outlookdude on April 10, 2009, 10:06:23 am

I know from first hand experience that slow people can get slower. Maybe it is just my perception because I didn't watch him run for months during the off-season. And, I have only seen him on TV. But, it has seemed like he is moving slower than he has in the past......I'm not trashing the guy, or asking him to be something that he isn't. It was just an honest question to help measure the accuracy of my perception.

get a dvr and a stopwatch, and then come back here and tell us what you find out.

JaneDoe · « **Reply #23 on:** April 10, 2009, 11:34:17 am »

I heard on the radio the other day (after losing too many brain cells listening to Silly Songs with Larry) that Carlos reported 18 lbs lighter than he was at the end of last season. Also, he was about 30 lbs lighter than when the Astros signed him.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #24 on:** April 10, 2009, 12:26:08 pm »

Quote from: JaneDoe on April 10, 2009, 11:34:17 am

I heard on the radio the other day (after losing too many brain cells listening to Silly Songs with Larry) that Carlos reported 18 lbs lighter than he was at the end of last season. Also, he was about 30 lbs lighter than when the Astros signed him.

I saw that earlier too, but he still seems slower to me than he did last year. Of course, he's paid to hit and if he happens to get to a ball in LF or not kill a shortstop, that's gravy. On the plus side, he has learned to play the wall pretty well and that goes a long way.

Silly Songs with Larry?

JaneDoe · « **Reply #25 on:** April 10, 2009, 12:32:33 pm »

Quote from: Ron Brand on April 10, 2009, 12:26:08 pm

Silly Songs with Larry?

Its a kid's CD from the VeggieTales series. I commute an hour to work with my 4 year old. And the DVD is broken.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #26 on:** April 10, 2009, 01:00:16 pm »

I remember those days. Luckily my commute was only 30-45 minutes. When my oldest decided she liked The Monkees it made things a lot easier. Now my youngest is surrounded by Jonas Brothers, Miley Cyrus, Cheetah Girls, etc.

Gizzmonic · « **Reply #27 on:** April 10, 2009, 02:04:09 pm »

What's with you parents that let your kids decide what to listen to?

When I was a kid it was either NPR or 740 (if I was riding with my dad) or Sunny 99.1 (if I was with Mom). If I was lucky, I got to listen to KFMK (oldies). Of course, it would have been all Michael Jackson, all the time if I had my way.

MusicMan · « **Reply #28 on:** April 10, 2009, 02:16:27 pm »

Quote from: Gizzmonic on April 10, 2009, 02:04:09 pm

What's with you parents that let your kids decide what to listen to?

The Backyardigans are surprisingly catchy.

AtascAstro · « **Reply #29 on:** April 10, 2009, 02:29:25 pm »

Quote from: Gizzmonic on April 10, 2009, 02:04:09 pm

What's with you parents that let your kids decide what to listen to?

When I was a kid it was either NPR or 740 (if I was riding with my dad) or Sunny 99.1 (if I was with Mom). If I was lucky, I got to listen to KFMK (oldies). Of course, it would have been all Michael Jackson, all the time if I had my way.

Hmmm...since you referenced when you were a kid and not your experience with your own kid(s) then I'm guessing you haven't been down that road as a parent yet. The music mentioned above is for little ones...as in the type compelled to cry, scream, or yell "Dad" at any moment for any or no reason at all. Kids old enough to request Michael Jackson are a different story, headphones. I'm pretty sure my parents would have done the same thing if the technology to pacify was available at the time. Also, keep in mind that kids today are completely restrained while in the car, we on the other hand were free to roam about, they get bored.

Check back in when you've got a couple of your own in the backseat on a long drive.

GreatBagwellsBeard · « **Reply #30 on:** April 10, 2009, 02:34:14 pm »

For what it's worth, Giz, if he'd had a choice, Michael Jackson would've chosen all you, all the time, too.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #31 on:** April 10, 2009, 02:50:14 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on April 10, 2009, 02:16:27 pm

The Backyardigans are surprisingly catchy.

My wife has conditioned my 7 y/o son and 4 y/o daughter to like the Mama Mia soundtrack. Other than that it's Alvin and the Chipmunks soundtrack or the Wiggles.

austro · « **Reply #32 on:** April 10, 2009, 03:52:30 pm »

My kids were unlucky enough to pick a father who loves rock 'n roll. So they simply listened and learned to love it.

Guinness · « **Reply #33 on:** April 10, 2009, 04:02:10 pm »

Same for us, our kids grew up on a steady diet of Beatles, Rush, Bruce, etc. They still had their teenybopper phases, but at least they still have some good taste.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #34 on:** April 10, 2009, 04:14:59 pm »

I was pretty easy on my oldest, but was surprisingly able to mix in Deep Purple, etc. with the youngest who, at 9, still fits in some headbanging along with the Disney junk. My oldest liked The Monkees and Slade, but now that she's 15 maintains that she doesn't remember any of that.

Noe · « **Reply #35 on:** April 10, 2009, 04:18:59 pm »

My oldest is 15 and loves to tell me all about good music, like Ska. As if I've never heard of that genre of music. I like him to continue with the illusion that he's updating his old man on good music.

Guinness · « **Reply #36 on:** April 10, 2009, 04:23:59 pm »

Quote from: Ron Brand on April 10, 2009, 04:14:59 pm

My oldest liked The Monkees and Slade, but now that she's 15 maintains that she doesn't remember any of that.

When our youngest was in first grade her favorite album was Rush's Presto. She listened to it constantly. Pretty strange, but she was always unusual. That same year the kids were supposed to bring in a poem to class and she brought something by T.S. Eliot...

BUWebguy · « **Reply #37 on:** April 10, 2009, 04:40:14 pm »

Quote from: JaneDoe on April 10, 2009, 12:32:33 pm

Its a kid's CD from the VeggieTales series. I commute an hour to work with my 4 year old. And the DVD is broken.

I was wondering what sort of radio station mixed VeggieTales with Astros news...

Noe · « **Reply #38 on:** April 10, 2009, 04:41:45 pm »

Quote from: BUWebguy on April 10, 2009, 04:40:14 pm

I was wondering what sort of radio station mixed VeggieTales with Astros news...

Bob and Larry in the Midday?

BUWebguy · « **Reply #39 on:** April 10, 2009, 04:52:11 pm »

Quote from: Noe in Austin on April 10, 2009, 04:41:45 pm

Bob and Larry in the Midday?

I imagine that would probably be better than just about any other talk radio available right now. AndyZipp's segment could be "LettuceHeadHunters".

BatGirl · « **Reply #40 on:** April 10, 2009, 05:09:49 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on April 10, 2009, 02:16:27 pm

The Backyardigans are surprisingly catchy.

okay - i wasn't going to do this
but it is my 2-year-old's favorite show
wow wow wubbzy, anyone?
it's been bothering me for the last week -
beyonce is a wubb girl

JaneDoe · « **Reply #41 on:** April 10, 2009, 05:16:05 pm »

Quote from: BatGirl on April 10, 2009, 05:09:49 pm

okay - i wasn't going to do this
but it is my 2-year-old's favorite show
wow wow wubbzy, anyone?
it's been bothering me for the last week -
beyonce is a wubb girl

Noe' finally gets his WubbGirlz.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #42 on:** April 10, 2009, 06:31:00 pm »

Quote from: BUWebguy on April 10, 2009, 04:40:14 pm

I was wondering what sort of radio station mixed VeggieTales with Astros news...

Hey, there's never ever ever ever ever ever been a show like Veggie Tales.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #43 on:** April 10, 2009, 06:32:00 pm »

If you're gonna get all wubba wubba, I prefer this.

JaneDoe · « **Reply #44 on:** April 10, 2009, 06:33:44 pm »

Quote from: Ron Brand on April 10, 2009, 06:32:00 pm

If you're gonna get all wubba wubba, I prefer this.

Classic.

Ron Brand · « **Reply #45 on:** April 10, 2009, 06:34:47 pm »

But this is my all-time favorite.

JaneDoe · « **Reply #46 on:** April 10, 2009, 06:51:54 pm »

Quote from: Ron Brand on April 10, 2009, 06:34:47 pm

But this is my all-time favorite.

These are mine from Sesame Street.

Oscar in his prime

A Really Big Word!

But I really loved The Electric Company.

Author Topic: Carlos Lee and the Texas Leaguer (Read 8329 times)

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