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The song has ended: Astros sign Pudge
« on: March 16, 2009, 11:46:32 am »
Heyman: Astros in serious talks with Pudge

I'll believe it when Footer reports it.
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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2009, 11:48:38 am »
I have no idea whether the Astros have changed on Pudge (I read Wade's comments a few weeks ago) but thinking about our catching corps for this season has changed my interest.
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2009, 12:10:47 pm »
Heyman: Astros in serious talks with Pudge

I'll believe it when Footer reports it.

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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2009, 12:18:11 pm »
Heyman: Astros in serious talks with Pudge

I'll believe it when Footer reports it.

It ain't Footer, but the Chron is reporting it (and quoting Wade on the matter).  LINK

"We've re-engaged with him," Astros general manager Ed Wade told the Chronicle. "I've had several conversations with (Boras). He's cycled back toward us and there seems like there might be an environment to get something done. We've had several conversations and we're trying to see if there's a fit for us."
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2009, 12:22:19 pm »
It ain't Footer, but the Chron is reporting it (and quoting Wade on the matter).  LINK

"We've re-engaged with him," Astros general manager Ed Wade told the Chronicle. "I've had several conversations with (Boras). He's cycled back toward us and there seems like there might be an environment to get something done. We've had several conversations and we're trying to see if there's a fit for us."

Bascially, the Astros and Pudge/Borass are the lonely people in the club at 1:50am.
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2009, 12:23:22 pm »
Bascially, the Astros and Pudge/Borass are the lonely people in the club at 1:50am.

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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2009, 12:26:22 pm »
It ain't Footer, but the Chron is reporting it (and quoting Wade on the matter).  LINK

"We've re-engaged with him," Astros general manager Ed Wade told the Chronicle. "I've had several conversations with (Boras). He's cycled back toward us and there seems like there might be an environment to get something done. We've had several conversations and we're trying to see if there's a fit for us."

both posted Sunday 3/15

Former Marlin and current free agent catcher Ivan Rodriguez has expressed interest in returning to the team and (owner) Loria acknowledged the Marlins are mulling whether to add him.

''It's something we're thinking about. There are a lot of considerations when you add players. Everybody knows my fondness for Pudge,'' Loria said. ``There are a lot of variables we'll have to consider and we'll see what happens.''
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/baseball/florida-marlins/story/951860.html

The Giants have explored the idea of signing 37-year-old Ivan Rodriguez as a utility catcher and infielder, a team source said. How serious they are is unclear....

Orlando Cepeda, just back from the Classic, said Rodriguez heard about the Giants' interest, "and he's very happy about it. He would love to play here. He's in great shape. He can help here. I would love to see him here, but that's Brian's call."
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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2009, 12:34:42 pm »
Bascially, the Astros and Pudge/Borass are the lonely people in the club at 1:50am.

This sums it up pretty well.
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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2009, 12:47:10 pm »
"I think our catching is in pretty good hands for a long, long time.” Cecil Cooper
http://www.spikesnstars.com/2009/03/13/i-think-our-catching-is-in-pretty-good-hands/

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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2009, 12:55:26 pm »
What would be an acceptable price for Pudge? 1MM + incentives for games played sounds about right to me.

Obviously, "whatever Drayton thinks is acceptable" is the real answer, but if he does sign, what do you think the price tag is?
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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2009, 12:58:42 pm »
That settles it. Rodriquez will be an Astro before sundown.

Guaranteed, and Wade will feel all crafty about outbidding the Marlins and Giants.

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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2009, 01:01:54 pm »
Guaranteed, and Wade will feel all crafty about outbidding the Marlins and Giants.

I'm going to give Wade some credit, he may offer a salary and say that's all we can do.  I don't necessarily think Wade is stupid enough to get in a bidding war over a Boras client.
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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2009, 01:05:14 pm »
Heyman: Astros in serious talks with Pudge

I'll believe it when Footer reports it.

Here you go... Footer Article

KISSIMMEE, Fla. -- Ivan Rodriguez is expected to sign with the Astros, pending a physical exam that will be taken upon the completion of Puerto Rico's participation in the World Baseball Classic.

Note that Wade is still noncommittal about it though...

"He reached out to us a few days ago and he and I had a discussion," Wade said. "We're still in the discussion phase. The fact of the matter is that where we were with the economic situation two months ago, we couldn't get a deal done. But in the last few days, we see there is a possiblity to get something done."
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« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2009, 01:07:50 pm »
I'll believe it when the Marlins and Giants publically say they're out of the running.
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« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2009, 01:10:12 pm »
The Houston Astros are the only team that can legitimately offer playing time.  All other teams see Pudge for what he is, a backup/utility guy.  Houston will probably get 1/3 maybe 2/3 season out of him if he starts, which probably means a contract with incentives.  If he survives the rigors of the season at his age and we're talking catching here, then good investment.  If he doesn't, less money loss.

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Here you go... Footer Article

KISSIMMEE, Fla. -- Ivan Rodriguez is expected to sign with the Astros, pending a physical exam that will be taken upon the completion of Puerto Rico's participation in the World Baseball Classic.

Note that Wade is still noncommittal about it though...

"He reached out to us a few days ago and he and I had a discussion," Wade said. "We're still in the discussion phase. The fact of the matter is that where we were with the economic situation two months ago, we couldn't get a deal done. But in the last few days, we see there is a possiblity to get something done."

Things changed quick, here's Footer's penultimate word on the signing,

As of 10:36 a.m. ET on Friday, Houston has not changed its mind about Pudge.
http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090313&content_id=3979136&vkey=news_hou&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou

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« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2009, 01:13:39 pm »
BTW, after Satan was unable to market Manny into a multi-year, billion dollar contract by using the proverbial "I've got plenty of team interested in him!", one could see the plausibility of a player actually telling Boras what to do in a negotiation.  Heck, that is what Varitek did, and now Manny.  If Pudge says what is important to him is to be a starting catcher, then by golly the dog is wagging the tail again.

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« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2009, 01:15:02 pm »
Footer's gotta be ticked, given that Wade two days ago was again telling her there was nothing there. Unless "a few days ago" really means "yesterday".
http://footer.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/03/astros_dont_lose.html

Also, Steve Phillips (I know) says one year, $1.5 million. [edit: plus $1.5 million in incentives]
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3985628
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« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2009, 01:21:40 pm »
Things changed quick, here's Footer's penultimate word on the signing,

As of 10:36 a.m. ET on Friday, Houston has not changed its mind about Pudge.
http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090313&content_id=3979136&vkey=news_hou&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou

Has anybody been watching Mr. “Only God knows" closely?


Pudge?  Yes, he's hitting mistake pitches really well.  I wanted to watch him work as a catcher though and came away a little more impressed than I've been in the pass.  Pudge has a reputation as a lazy catcher, meaning he doesn't care about calling a game nor doing what his pitcher needs him to do to help get batters out.  Think about last year and what Brad Ausmus said about both Towles and Quintero.  Ausmus said that he saw how hard Q was working at becoming a pitchers catcher now that he was back in the big leagues.  Quintero said he owed it to the wise counsel Brad was providing that made him a better "catcher" (I think the article was in the Astros.com last year).  What Pudge has not done in his career is establish that he's a pitcher's catcher.  He has a reputation of quite the opposite, being selfish and worrying about hitting far too much.  Hitting is a skill that deteriorates with time because you cannot stop father time from taking away your bat speed.   So if Pudge wants to start, and he does, he better pay attention to catching (specifically calling a game) more often or else, he will not have been worth making promises to just to get him to sign here.

He'll be unhappy or the pitchers will be unhappy if we have a return of Bleach Melusky and Tony Eusebio all over again.  I'm hoping that Pudge is doing what he can to show he can still play and by that, still play the position of catcher and not the position of middle of the lineup hitter.

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« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2009, 01:21:53 pm »
Footer's gotta be ticked, ...

GM Wade either doesn't care or he doesn't know which reporters to trust.

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« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2009, 01:22:45 pm »
  Makes sense for all parties.

1-Pudge wants to start.
2-Astros "might" be the only team in baseball where he is an upgrade over the starter.  He could be worse, pending how he handles pitchers.
3-Most importantly of all it is low cost marketing for Drayton.  

"We fixed our catcher problems by signing a future hall of famer"  will now accompany, "we had the best record in the 2nd half last season"  in every interview with Drayton.    

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« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2009, 01:24:25 pm »
GM Wade either doesn't care or he doesn't know which reporters to trust.

I'm guessing he's not worried about hurting Alyson's feeling.
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« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2009, 01:25:22 pm »
Footer's gotta be ticked, given that Wade two days ago was again telling her there was nothing there. Unless "a few days ago" really means "yesterday".
http://footer.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/03/astros_dont_lose.html

Also, Steve Phillips (I know) says one year, $1.5 million. [edit: plus $1.5 million in incentives]
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3985628


I bet some of those incentives is about innings played or something similar.

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« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2009, 01:25:34 pm »
Good get, imo
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« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2009, 01:30:14 pm »
I'm guessing he's not worried about hurting Alyson's feeling.

I thought Wade had a background in marketing. 

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« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2009, 01:31:07 pm »
Good get, imo

Astros waited out Boras, go figure!  That was the best strategy employed by the team and Wade feeding Footer the righteous indignation act was pretty nice move on the part of the Horse Trader.  Now what happens is that Pudge could wash out and the team is in no worse shape than they were before the signing.  Right now, if Pudge works out, then they made a huge no-risk, high reward move.

I put "catcher" as top priority this off-season, hoping the Astros were in play for Gerald Laird.  When all avenues Houston was pursuing in terms of upgrade at catcher washed out (and Q is a backup so he should be happy he's going to be on the club for the entire season if he does not sulk, because Pudge may wash out, so keep the chin up Q!), then I was not sure what Houston really felt about the catcher position.

They need a starter and the reality is that the starter for a very long time will be Jason Castro.  But they need a starter right now, so this move had to be made and they did it under their terms while Satan Boras was starring back at them from the other side.

Nice!  BTW - any signs of Armageddon out in Arizona?
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« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2009, 01:31:48 pm »
I thought Wade had a background in marketing. 

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« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2009, 01:31:54 pm »
Rodriguez (in a conversation regarding the Marlins on Friday) said he would play either first base or third base if it meant he was helping a team.

"Trust me, I would love to catch, but I can play another position, and I'm willing to play another position, because I'm a player and I love to play,"
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« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2009, 01:32:43 pm »
I thought Wade had a background in marketing. 

Sometimes good marketing is knowing when to advertise.
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« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2009, 01:32:56 pm »
I like it. Not too much of a risk or cost with a good chance for a decent ROI.
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« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2009, 01:34:23 pm »
I thought Wade had a background in marketing. 

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« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2009, 01:34:33 pm »
"I think our catching is in pretty good hands for a long, long time.” Cecil Cooper
http://www.spikesnstars.com/2009/03/13/i-think-our-catching-is-in-pretty-good-hands/

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« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2009, 01:35:38 pm »
Rodriguez (in a conversation regarding the Marlins on Friday) said he would play either first base or third base if it meant he was helping a team.

"Trust me, I would love to catch, but I can play another position, and I'm willing to play another position, because I'm a player and I love to play,"
http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090313&content_id=3982516&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Sounds like the great Scott Boras was going to try and feed some information out there to create a market.  I'm guessing not many GMs bit on that one and if they did, Pudge was not too happy to hear the word "Backup" before first base or third base as well.

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« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2009, 01:36:30 pm »
Rodriguez (in a conversation regarding the Marlins on Friday) said he would play either first base or third base if it meant he was helping a team.

"Trust me, I would love to catch, but I can play another position, and I'm willing to play another position, because I'm a player and I love to play,"
http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090313&content_id=3982516&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

He's 53 games behind Fisk for games caught in a career.  Just sayin'.
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« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2009, 01:36:40 pm »
Sometimes good marketing is knowing when to advertise.

Seems to me a PR guy wouldn't jerk around the only local reporter that's shown any willingness to give him the benefit of the doubt.

(Footer's Saturday post) after checking with Ed Wade yet again today, I can assure you the Astros are not pursuing him. And judging from the irritated look on his face, I can also assure you I won't be asking him about Pudge again anytime soon.
http://footer.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/03/astros_dont_lose.html

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« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2009, 01:38:53 pm »
Seems to me a PR guy wouldn't jerk around the only local reporter that's shown any willingness to give him the benefit of the doubt.

(Footer's Saturday post) after checking with Ed Wade yet again today, I can assure you the Astros are not pursuing him. And judging from the irritated look on his face, I can also assure you I won't be asking him about Pudge again anytime soon.
http://footer.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/03/astros_dont_lose.html

Is she really a reporter or does she type press releases for the Astros?

I have no problem with what Wade did, especially if it helped his negotiations.  His obligation is to the Astros, not Alyson Footer.
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« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2009, 01:41:20 pm »
Is she really a reporter or does she type press releases for the Astros?

That's the beauty of Houston journalism.  The MLB employee is the only "reporter" we got.
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« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2009, 01:43:01 pm »
Is she really a reporter or does she type press releases for the Astros?
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« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2009, 01:47:55 pm »
There are some things you can't cover up with lipstick and powder.
I thought I heard him mention Pudge's name, can't he talk any louder?
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« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2009, 01:50:18 pm »
Is she really a reporter or does she type press releases for the Astros?

I have no problem with what Wade did, especially if it helped his negotiations.  His obligation is to the Astros, not Alyson Footer.

That's easy, in my estimation she's a reporter.  And easily the most accurate and unbiased source (compared with Justice, Ortiz and McTaggart?)  of Astros information since she's been covering the team.  That is obvious and has been proven many times.   

Did I suggest Wade should have clued Footer in on the negotiatons with Boras?  No, only Boras is supposed to leak information.  But he has undermined her reputation for accuracy.  And that's all she has as a reporter.  So, no, Wade, as a GM, has no responsibility to Footer.  However Wade as the manager in charge of a business entity concerned with an image and concerned with telling their story to their customers can't think it smart to burn the bridge to someone who has told that story in the past, with some integrity. It's just bad business.  Not to mention a shitty thing to do as a human being.

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« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2009, 01:50:43 pm »
I thought I heard him mention Pudge's name, can't he talk any louder?
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« Reply #42 on: March 16, 2009, 01:55:58 pm »
That's easy, in my estimation she's a reporter.  And easily the most accurate and unbiased source (compared with Justice, Ortiz and McTaggart?)  of Astros information since she's been covering the team.  That is obvious and has been proven many times.  



She's not unbiased.  She gets her paycheck from the Astros.
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Re: The song has ended: Astros sign Pudge
« Reply #43 on: March 16, 2009, 01:58:07 pm »
She's not unbiased.  She gets her paycheck from the Astros.

Oh so she was paid, that's different.

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« Reply #44 on: March 16, 2009, 01:59:32 pm »
Oh so she was paid, that's different.

You love her, I think she does her job. 
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« Reply #45 on: March 16, 2009, 02:02:16 pm »
You love her, I think she does her job. 

BS, I think her job is to relay reliable information.  That's what she has done in the past. 

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« Reply #46 on: March 16, 2009, 02:03:24 pm »
That's easy, in my estimation she's a reporter.  And easily the most accurate and unbiased source (compared with Justice, Ortiz and McTaggart?)  of Astros information since she's been covering the team.  That is obvious and has been proven many times.   

Did I suggest Wade should have clued Footer in on the negotiatons with Boras?  No, only Boras is supposed to leak information.  But he has undermined her reputation for accuracy.  And that's all she has as a reporter.  So, no, Wade, as a GM, has no responsibility to Footer.  However Wade as the manager in charge of a business entity concerned with an image and concerned with telling their story to their customers can't think it smart to burn the bridge to someone who has told that story in the past, with some integrity. It's just bad business.  Not to mention a shitty thing to do as a human being.

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Re: The song has ended: Astros sign Pudge
« Reply #47 on: March 16, 2009, 02:03:30 pm »
She's not unbiased.  She gets her paycheck from the Astros.

I think MLB Advanced Media signs her checks.  I accept the disclaimer that her stories are not reviewed or approved by the Houston Astros.  Anybody that has read her work for any length of time can see she is not a Astros shill, she has never had a problem calling shitty baseball...shitty baseball, wherever the shit originates.

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« Reply #48 on: March 16, 2009, 02:04:30 pm »
I totally agree, BG. I am sure he was irritated at being asked again, and perhaps she misinterpreted why.
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« Reply #49 on: March 16, 2009, 02:09:24 pm »
She's not unbiased.  She gets her paycheck from the Astros.

Wrong on both counts.
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Re: The song has ended: Astros sign Pudge
« Reply #50 on: March 16, 2009, 02:10:03 pm »
You love her, I think she does her job. 
I think she does a remarkable job of reporting honestly about the team, without going too far in her criticism of front office or players (which is not a great idea anyway sometimes, because then those individuals won't talk to you much. See Justice, et al). I don't have a problem with Wade telling her "there's nothing going on there" regarding Pudge, though if his "irritated look" he gave her when asked about it was really harsh, then maybe that's crossing the line a bit into being disrespectful... maybe it was more of a sarcastic thing though, hard to tell. She's a grown up, I'm sure she's fine.
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« Reply #51 on: March 16, 2009, 02:14:34 pm »
She replied in her blog, here's the money part,

"As a reporter, I report on the here and now. As a GM, Wade answers questions the same way. Things can change on a dime, in minutes, and that's what happened."

The deal happened quickly.   

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« Reply #52 on: March 16, 2009, 02:15:30 pm »
...She's a grown up, I'm sure she's fine.

Honestly?  I dont care if she is or she isnt.  But all you people trying to make sense of what the Astros are doing and why, good fucking luck.

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« Reply #53 on: March 16, 2009, 02:17:00 pm »
BS, I think her job is to relay reliable information.  That's what she has done in the past. 

You maybe demanding more than she can deliver. Cut her some slack. Her job has many facets, not the least of which is to grow her readership, get more hits, it is also to please those that cut her pay check. She has multilevel expectations to live up to.
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« Reply #54 on: March 16, 2009, 02:18:31 pm »
You maybe demanding more than she can deliver. Cut her some slack. Her job has many facets, not the least of which is to grow her readership, get more hits, it is also to please those that cut her pay check. She has multilevel expectations to live up to.

Not on her, I'm on Wade.  No way to treat your most reliable conduit to the fans.   But, as she has written, the deal happened quickly. 

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« Reply #55 on: March 16, 2009, 02:33:38 pm »
Is she really a reporter or does she type press releases for the Astros?

She works for MLB.com as a reporter not the Houston Astros.  She covers the Astros for the MLB.com

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I have no problem with what Wade did, especially if it helped his negotiations.  His obligation is to the Astros, not Alyson Footer.

I think Footer would agree with you on that one and she's probably forgiven the GM if he was not trying to tip his hand.  But you can't use that tatic all the time, so it is left to be seen if Wade does this a lot and thus should be wary of his relationship with the media.  One time is not enough to worry about this, but Wade is said to have strained his relationship with the Philadelphia media.  But then again, that is the Philly media we're talking about and I think even Ghandi would've lost it with those freaks.

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« Reply #56 on: March 16, 2009, 02:36:14 pm »
She's not unbiased.  She gets her paycheck from the Astros.

Ahum... nope!

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« Reply #57 on: March 16, 2009, 02:38:04 pm »
How about Rodriguez as player/manager?
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« Reply #58 on: March 16, 2009, 02:43:02 pm »
But all you people trying to make sense of what the Astros are doing and why, good fucking luck.

I agree with this.  Not that Ed Wade owes any of us the information if he doesn't feel like sharing, but several things to consider here:

1. Pudge signing is going to be seen as a good thing by most of the great unwashed and that is going to help with the AIS (and should make Gardner very happy!), so from a strategic point, Wade telling the fans he was in the hunt for Pudge would've been a good thing.
2. Even if you are not interested in someone up until the last minute when your boss all of sudden tells you "Eddie, call up Scott... I decided we can work something out here", keeping a general open mind about things will help you with this owner, you can really say you're not while leaving room for some hope for fans, say things like "Well, we don't know yet, lots of things have to fall into place first, we'll keep an open mind on this".  But then again, if that is seen as an open door to be used and abused by Satan Boras, why do it?  Things change quite often and even when you can count on Satan Boras to do what he does oh so well, seems that the MLB economic landscape has tempered the Devil himself this time around.
3. Ms. Footer is doing a fine job to ask and that is all she can do.  Answers are the responsibility of the GM, re: how honest he's going to be here.

All in all though, very understandable if what happened here was that Wade didn't really know he was in the hunt until someone alerted him that he had a green light if we were talking about an under 2 million dollar no-risk deal.
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« Reply #59 on: March 16, 2009, 02:44:52 pm »
Bottom line is this is a gamble worth taking.   Pudge's upside outweighs anything they have on the roster right now at his position and it's only a one year commitment.   it may not work out, but I applaud wade for waiting out boras and getting it done.
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« Reply #60 on: March 16, 2009, 02:45:54 pm »
  One time is not enough to worry about this, but Wade is said to have strained his relationship with the Philadelphia media.  But then again, that is the Philly media we're talking about and I think even Ghandi would've lost it with those freaks.

Wade has demonstrated a lack of tact before and got whooped. So maybe congeniality and patience aren't his strong suits.
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« Reply #61 on: March 16, 2009, 02:46:23 pm »

Has anybody been watching Mr. “Only God knows" closely?

Puerto Rico vs. Venezuela tonight at 8pm ET. PR also has Geovanny Soto and Y. Molina on the roster so no guarantee that Pudge will be behind the plate though.
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« Reply #62 on: March 16, 2009, 02:46:40 pm »
I'd just like to know how many showers Drayton took after this deal was done.
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« Reply #63 on: March 16, 2009, 02:46:59 pm »
Wade has demonstrated a lack of tact before and got whooped. So maybe congeniality and patience aren't his strong suits.

I doubt Footer is going to put a choke hold on Wade.  Just saying...

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« Reply #64 on: March 16, 2009, 02:47:15 pm »
I'd just like to know how many showers Drayton took after this deal was done.

Was Beltran the last Boras client signed before Pudge?
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« Reply #65 on: March 16, 2009, 02:47:56 pm »
Willy T was/is a Boras client.
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Puerto Rico vs. Venezuela tonight at 8pm ET. PR also has Geovanny Soto and Y. Molina on the roster so no guarantee that Pudge will be behind the plate though.

Word was that before Pudge was signed, Oquendo was going to give him every chance to catch to prove he still could play.  The reality is that Oquendo wanted Soto to do the majority of catching and use Pudge as a DH.  Now that Pudge has a deal, I fully expect him to DH.

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« Reply #67 on: March 16, 2009, 02:48:54 pm »
Was Beltran the last Boras client signed before Pudge?

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« Reply #68 on: March 16, 2009, 02:50:23 pm »
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Sorry, let me clarify.  Was Beltran the last Boras client signed by the Astros before Pudge?

There has been alot posted on this board regarding the opinion that the Astros would never sign another of his clients.
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« Reply #69 on: March 16, 2009, 02:50:51 pm »
I really like this deal and don't care how it came about. We have no idea about what truly happened. Wade may not have been really lying to Footer.
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« Reply #70 on: March 16, 2009, 02:52:05 pm »
Forget the Wade & Allyson Soap Opera.  What does this do to the batting order & defense up the middle?
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« Reply #71 on: March 16, 2009, 02:53:57 pm »
Word was that before Pudge was signed, Oquendo was going to give him every chance to catch to prove he still could play.  The reality is that Oquendo wanted Soto to do the majority of catching and use Pudge as a DH.  Now that Pudge has a deal, I fully expect him to DH.
By the way, anybody else think it was sort of unusual that the physical/official signing won't take place until after PR is done in the WBC? I guess it's a smart move by the Astros, don't want your new property to get hurt before he's even set foot in your front door. Plus, not really much of a precedent for guys signing in the middle of a major tournament like the WBC.
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« Reply #72 on: March 16, 2009, 02:54:14 pm »
I agree with this.  Not that Ed Wade owes any of us the information if he doesn't feel like sharing, but several things to consider here:

1. Pudge signing is going to be seen as a good thing by most of the great unwashed and that is going to help with the AIS (and should make Gardner very happy!).
2. Even if you are not interested in someone up until the last minute when your boss all of sudden tells you "Eddie, call up Scott... I decided we can work something out here", keeping a general open mind about things will help you with this owner.  Things change quite often and even when you can count on Satan Boras to do what he does oh so well, seems that the MLB economic landscape has tempered the Devil himself this time around.
3. Ms. Footer is doing a fine job to ask and that is all she can do.  Answers are the responsibility of the GM, re: how honest he's going to be here.

All in all though, very understandable if what happened here was that Wade didn't really know he was in the hunt until someone alerted him that he had a green light if we were talking about an under 2 million dollar no-risk deal.

Speaking as someone with a journalism degree, I don't think wade threw her under the bus.    He probably was sick of answering the question:  "Are the Astros going to add any free agents the remainder of the offseason(particularly pudge)?" and reacted as such.    She reported his frustration, as well she should.    She's a reporter first, an arm of the team second.  At that time it was the truth.  Then either the Astros budget for pudge changed or McLane ordered it done, so she has egg on her face.

As for why wade wouldn't call her with the news on pudge until the deal was done?   Either he didn't want the news leaked to other potential suitors, or he genuinely was peeved at the question before and chose to leave footer out of the loop.    If it's the second it could lead to problems for Wade.   


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« Reply #73 on: March 16, 2009, 02:55:43 pm »
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« Reply #74 on: March 16, 2009, 02:58:57 pm »
Sorry, let me clarify.  Was Beltran the last Boras client signed by the Astros before Pudge?

There has been alot posted on this board regarding the opinion that the Astros would never sign another of his clients.

Technically, the Astros never signed Beltran.  They traded for him, and I don't think Beltran had yet earned the right to say "no".
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« Reply #75 on: March 16, 2009, 03:02:59 pm »
Willy T was/is a Boras client.

Yes, but never negotiated a contract for him with the Astros, WAG, (which seems to work good as anything) says that was one of the reasons he was traded.

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« Reply #76 on: March 16, 2009, 03:04:49 pm »
Yes, but never negotiated a contract for him with the Astros, WAG, (which seems to work good as anything) says that was one of the reasons he was traded.

I would agree with your WAG.  I was too lazy to look up if he signed any kind of extension before being traded.
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« Reply #77 on: March 16, 2009, 03:05:19 pm »
Technically, the Astros never signed Beltran.  They traded for him, and I don't think Beltran had yet earned the right to say "no".

Correct.

Sorry, let me clarify.  Was Beltran the last Boras client signed by the Astros before Pudge?

There has been alot posted on this board regarding the opinion that the Astros would never sign another of his clients.

According to Wikipedia, Newhan is a Boras client.  Prior to that, Villone.
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« Reply #78 on: March 16, 2009, 03:18:00 pm »
Speaking as someone with a journalism degree, I don't think wade threw her under the bus.    He probably was sick of answering the question:  "Are the Astros going to add any free agents the remainder of the offseason(particularly pudge)?" and reacted as such.    She reported his frustration, as well she should.    She's a reporter first, an arm of the team second.  At that time it was the truth.  Then either the Astros budget for pudge changed or McLane ordered it done, so she has egg on her face.

As for why wade wouldn't call her with the news on pudge until the deal was done?   Either he didn't want the news leaked to other potential suitors, or he genuinely was peeved at the question before and chose to leave footer out of the loop.    If it's the second it could lead to problems for Wade.   




I have no doubt she was reporting her impressions and taking down Wade's words.   In addition she explained the situation in detail on her blog.  However, I'm still puzzling over the meaning of the words, "a few days ago" and this timeline,

Jon Heyman March 9 (last Monday)
"Pudge Rodriguez .... The Marlins and Astros, no matter what they say publicly, are interested."
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Footer "As of 10:36 a.m. ET on Friday, (March 13) Houston has not changed its mind about Pudge."
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Saturday, March 14 Footer blogged "...judging from the irritated look on his face, I can also assure you I won't be asking him about Pudge again anytime soon."

(Today March 16) "He reached out to us a few days ago and he and I had a discussion," Wade said.
http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090316&content_id=3997794&vkey=news_hou&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou

Suggests to me that, in spite of all historical evidence, Jon Heyman knew what was going on inside the Astros.  That is going to require some serious reassessment.

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« Reply #79 on: March 16, 2009, 03:20:41 pm »
Not to get too far into sentence structure, but Wade indicates that Boras reached out to them a few days ago; but he does not indicate when the "discussion" took place.
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« Reply #80 on: March 16, 2009, 03:21:14 pm »
Hello friends, I am putting aside my policy not to post on message boards for one day because I feel compelled to set the record straight, once and for all, regarding what I do, who signs my paychecks and how I have conducted myself professionally for the eight years I have been on this job.

I am employed by MLB.com. I am not employed by the Houston Astros. My paychecks are signed by someone who I've never heard of from our offices in Chelsea, New York.

I am not a PR arm of the team. I do not show them what I write before I file it, nor do I ever seek their approval before I file something. I cover this team as an objective reporter. I would cover this team the same way if I wrote for the Chronicle, or the Sporting News, or espn.com, or anyone else. Like any other reporter, I have sources that I consult, and I have a terrific, trusting repoire with the players that has helped me tremendously over the years. I do not rewrite press releases. When I meet with Ed Wade, or when I met with Tim Purpura or Gerry Hunsicker in years past, we never, ever "huddled" together to decide how to dupe the public. I would never, ever print something I didn't believe to be true.

My job is to gather every bit of information that I can get my hands on, and, when it's on the record, I tell you guys. When the team stinks, I say so. When it's good, I say that too.

To suggest that I would do anything to compromise my integrity for the sake of a paycheck bugs me. If MLB.com ever told me I had to print something that wasn't true, but would make the team look good, I would find another job. As it is, I'm in tremendous standing with the people who sign my paychecks -- MLB.com -- because I am objective, honest and fair.

I wrote what I knew about Pudge. It changed, and that happens in this game.

Thanks for listening. I respect the people on this board because you know baseball and you know your Astros. But enough is enough. I work for MLB.com and no one else, except for that fun freelance gig I have with 1560.

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« Reply #81 on: March 16, 2009, 03:24:51 pm »
Suggests to me that, in spite of all historical evidence, Jon Heyman knew what was going on inside the Astros.  That is going to require some serious reassessment.

Or that someone inside the Boras camp was simply giving him accurate information.

I'm interested to know if adding Pudge will alter the landscape at third base at all. Pudge can spell Berkman when needed, and that would also be a good way to keep Pudge productive at the plate as the season wears on. If Pudge can effectively be a back-up first baseman then Boone has less use, and if Boone is less useful perhaps the whole idea of a platoon at third is less attractive to the team.
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« Reply #82 on: March 16, 2009, 03:26:38 pm »
Technically, the Astros never signed Beltran.  They traded for him, and I don't think Beltran had yet earned the right to say "no".

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According to Wikipedia, Newhan is a Boras client.  Prior to that, Villone.

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« Reply #84 on: March 16, 2009, 03:29:15 pm »
Alyson, I don't mean to slight anyone here but I believe that most of the regular posters know that you are employed by the MLB, and I think most of us admire your integrity and competence, particularly in light of the fact that your peers at the Chronicle - I'll be liberal in the use of that word - are lacking in at least one of those traits.
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« Reply #85 on: March 16, 2009, 03:31:00 pm »
Hello friends, I am putting aside my policy not to post on message boards for one day because I feel compelled to set the record straight, once and for all, regarding what I do, who signs my paychecks and how I have conducted myself professionally for the eight years I have been on this job.

I am employed by MLB.com. I am not employed by the Houston Astros. My paychecks are signed by someone who I've never heard of from our offices in Chelsea, New York.

I am not a PR arm of the team. I do not show them what I write before I file it, nor do I ever seek their approval before I file something. I cover this team as an objective reporter. I would cover this team the same way if I wrote for the Chronicle, or the Sporting News, or espn.com, or anyone else. Like any other reporter, I have sources that I consult, and I have a terrific, trusting repoire with the players that has helped me tremendously over the years. I do not rewrite press releases. When I meet with Ed Wade, or when I met with Tim Purpura or Gerry Hunsicker in years past, we never, ever "huddled" together to decide how to dupe the public. I would never, ever print something I didn't believe to be true.

My job is to gather every bit of information that I can get my hands on, and, when it's on the record, I tell you guys. When the team stinks, I say so. When it's good, I say that too.

To suggest that I would do anything to compromise my integrity for the sake of a paycheck bugs me. If MLB.com ever told me I had to print something that wasn't true, but would make the team look good, I would find another job. As it is, I'm in tremendous standing with the people who sign my paychecks -- MLB.com -- because I am objective, honest and fair.

I wrote what I knew about Pudge. It changed, and that happens in this game.

Thanks for listening. I respect the people on this board because you know baseball and you know your Astros. But enough is enough. I work for MLB.com and no one else, except for that fun freelance gig I have with 1560.

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« Reply #86 on: March 16, 2009, 03:31:52 pm »
...you know baseball and you know your Astros. ....

As most of us have no contacts with the team, I can say you're one of the main reasons we have any clue about the Astros.  I've sorted and compared stories and speculation from a large number of reporters over several years and your stories, for the most part, coiincide most accurately with what the Astros say and what they do. 

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« Reply #87 on: March 16, 2009, 03:36:15 pm »
I love this board.

Great signing IMO.  How terrible would it be if the Astros signed Pedro.  Justice would be shoving that in our face for years.

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« Reply #88 on: March 16, 2009, 03:37:10 pm »
Or that someone inside the Boras camp was simply giving him accurate information.

I'm interested to know if adding Pudge will alter the landscape at third base at all. Pudge can spell Berkman when needed, and that would also be a good way to keep Pudge productive at the plate as the season wears on. If Pudge can effectively be a back-up first baseman then Boone has less use, and if Boone is less useful perhaps the whole idea of a platoon at third is less attractive to the team.

Boras accurate? Again, serious reassessment.  That 3b thing was likely buggle oil.   The whole thing hinges on how well Rodriguez hits the ball.  Initially I think the main casuality will be Towles, now likely to be traded and Rule 5 acquisition Palmsiano. 

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« Reply #89 on: March 16, 2009, 03:38:42 pm »
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Re: The song has ended: Astros sign Pudge
« Reply #90 on: March 16, 2009, 03:39:35 pm »
As most of us have no contacts with the team, I can say you're one of the main reasons we have any clue about the Astros.  I've sorted and compared stories and speculation from a large number of reporters over several years and your stories, for the most part, coiincide most accurately with what the Astros say and what they do. 

Seconded.   If we relied on the chronicle we would know next to nothing about the team.    Alyson, you do a great job of providing us the best information about the Astros.  With that said, I apologize for calling you an arm of the team when describing your responsibilities.    As someone with a journalism degree, I should have known better.  

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« Reply #91 on: March 16, 2009, 03:40:18 pm »
Sorry, let me clarify.  Was Beltran the last Boras client signed by the Astros before Pudge?

There has been alot posted on this board regarding the opinion that the Astros would never sign another of his clients.

Beltran was not signed by the Astros.

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« Reply #92 on: March 16, 2009, 03:41:20 pm »
Beltran was not signed by the Astros.

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« Reply #93 on: March 16, 2009, 03:42:59 pm »
Someone must be REALLY bored on an off-day in Kissimmee.

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« Reply #94 on: March 16, 2009, 03:43:36 pm »
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Yes, well done, beat me to it.


Now that fair Alyson's honor has been defended we can return to the good stuff....where will he bat in the lineup, who will he catch, will he think Lance is funny?  Hopefully a certain clark poster's blog can update us on such things shortly.

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« Reply #95 on: March 16, 2009, 03:45:37 pm »
Yes, Limey has already shown me the error of my ways


Sorry, was not aware that there was a page 5 to this thread when I posted.  I now see that Ms. Footer did a hit and run, good for her. 

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« Reply #96 on: March 16, 2009, 03:48:24 pm »
Hopefully a certain clark poster's blog can update us on such things shortly.

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« Reply #97 on: March 16, 2009, 03:50:52 pm »
"Alyson Footer" and clark just don't sound right together.

agreed. she needs an honorary title or something.
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« Reply #98 on: March 16, 2009, 03:51:03 pm »
"Alyson Footer" and clark just don't sound right together.


I'd give her a custom title, but she's likely to never post here again.  She's like Kaiser Soze...*poof*...and just like that, she was gone.
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« Reply #99 on: March 16, 2009, 03:53:04 pm »

I'd give her a custom title, but she's likely to never post here again.  She's like Kaiser Soze...*poof*...and just like that, she was gone.

Unless we start another vicious rumor about her, like she's not really a red-head!  But I would never dare... I'll leave that to the one of many of you freaks to try to get her to post again to defend herself.

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« Reply #100 on: March 16, 2009, 03:54:20 pm »
Pudge can spell Berkman when needed, and that would also be a good way to keep Pudge productive at the plate as the season wears on. If Pudge can effectively be a back-up first baseman then Boone has less use, and if Boone is less useful perhaps the whole idea of a platoon at third is less attractive to the team.

At this stage of his career, I'm betting Pudge will need a lot more days off than Lance.  If Pudge is splitting the catching duties with Q (let's assume 3 out every 5 games is Pudge, with Q catching the other two, or even vice versa) then I'm willing to bet Pudge won't see much time as a backup infielder.  Also, if Towles is destined for some seasoning in AAA and Palmisano destined for either the minors or back to Baltimore (or maybe Milwaukee?  His Rule 5 status eludes my memory), then with only two catchers I highly doubt both Pudge and Q would be playing the field at the same time.

And, just out of curiosity, are you saying you think more Blum will be more productive than the Blum/Boone platoon?
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« Reply #101 on: March 16, 2009, 03:56:21 pm »

I'd give her a custom title, but she's likely to never post here again.  She's like Kaiser Soze...*poof*...and just like that, she was gone.

At least give her a picture . . . SO WORTH IT!
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« Reply #102 on: March 16, 2009, 03:58:38 pm »
Unless we start another vicious rumor about her, like she's not really a red-head!  But I would never dare... I'll leave that to the one of many of you freaks to try to get her to post again to defend herself.


I'm not sure that would work either.  We've been posting about Yvette for years, and she's avoided us like venereal disease.
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« Reply #103 on: March 16, 2009, 03:58:51 pm »
At this stage of his career, I'm betting Pudge will need a lot more days off than Lance.  If Pudge is splitting the catching duties with Q (let's assume 3 out every 5 games is Pudge, with Q catching the other two, or even vice versa) then I'm willing to bet Pudge won't see much time as a backup infielder.  Also, if Towles is destined for some seasoning in AAA and Palmisano destined for either the minors or back to Baltimore (or maybe Milwaukee?  His Rule 5 status eludes my memory), then with only two catchers I highly doubt both Pudge and Q would be playing the field at the same time.

And, just out of curiosity, are you saying you think more Blum will be more productive than the Blum/Boone platoon?

I don't know about usage of Pudge beyond catcher, I highly doubt that.  However, in terms of Boone or anybody else that is a veteran player and the 25th man, don't forget about Cheito last year.  If you can't perform on an "as-needed" basis and would rather get more IPs from Cooper, then you're destined for a pink slip.  Cooper doesn't usually get you the IPs you need as a part time player, so you would be well versed to apply your skills as a backup to being ready at a moments notice.  I highly doubt Pudge is going to used in any other way because of this very thing.  It would rob IPs from someone else that needs it under Cooper.

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« Reply #104 on: March 16, 2009, 03:59:49 pm »

I'm not sure that would work either.  We've been posting about Yvette for years, and she's avoided us like venereal disease.

I detect a sort of surprise in your post.

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« Reply #105 on: March 16, 2009, 04:00:25 pm »
I detect a sort of surprise in your post.

Surprise that we've been equated with venereal disease?  Not really.
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« Reply #106 on: March 16, 2009, 04:00:38 pm »

I'm not sure that would work either.  We've been posting about Yvette for years, and she's avoided us like venereal disease.

Maybe that's a project for Zipp and the headhunter show he has on 1560.
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« Reply #107 on: March 16, 2009, 04:00:49 pm »
Surprise that we've been equated with venereal disease?  Not really.

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« Reply #108 on: March 16, 2009, 04:08:06 pm »
And, just out of curiosity, are you saying you think more Blum will be more productive than the Blum/Boone platoon?

I do think that, yes, but what I meant was that if Boone doesn't ever play first because Pudge gets the call when Lance get a day off or DHs or whatever (wild ass speculation on my part that Pudge will ever play first for the Astros at all) then Boone is no longer as valuable to the team. And if that's the case, then it's harder to make a case for the platoon. This confluence of imaginary events might encourage the team to reconsider the third base situation.

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« Reply #109 on: March 16, 2009, 04:08:16 pm »
Someone must be REALLY bored on an off-day in Kissimmee.

You really think that?  I see it as a reporter reading "fans" responses to a signing such as this and she is measuring how they feel.  I doubt we are the only place she is reading responses, so why you would say this is beyond me... unless you were kidding of course.

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« Reply #110 on: March 16, 2009, 04:09:00 pm »
It's been quite the day in the TZ.

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« Reply #111 on: March 16, 2009, 04:23:30 pm »
Now that fair Alyson's honor has been defended we can return to the good stuff....where will he bat in the lineup, who will he catch, will he think Lance is funny?  Hopefully a certain clark poster's blog can update us on such things shortly.

He won't think Lance is funny when he snap-throws to 1B and Puma's busy adjusting his snacks and/or yappin' it up with the baserunner.  Maybe they need a surreptitious sign for a throw down to 1st - a subtle one like the ol' squeeze bunt sign they used to use for Shane Reynolds.
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« Reply #112 on: March 16, 2009, 04:24:27 pm »

I'd give her a custom title, but she's likely to never post here again.  She's like Kaiser Soze...*poof*...and just like that, she was gone.

Well, that's the title then.
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« Reply #113 on: March 16, 2009, 04:27:35 pm »
How about "Much Hotter Keyser Soze"?
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« Reply #114 on: March 16, 2009, 04:28:16 pm »
How about "Much Hotter Keyser Soze"?

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« Reply #115 on: March 16, 2009, 04:29:39 pm »
Keyser Hottie?

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« Reply #116 on: March 16, 2009, 04:30:17 pm »
Keyser Hottie?

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« Reply #117 on: March 16, 2009, 04:31:35 pm »

Thank you for posting, Ms. F. Most of us admire what you do very much. Imo, anyone who thinks you would lie in a story to help the team or to fool us is an idiot. Similarly, anyone who thinks Wade would lie to you rather than talk off the record also is an idiot. Your job is to ask questions and to report answers fairly. You do that very well. His job is to keep negotiations confidential if they are sensitive. No one deserved the criticism on here for this story or deal, imo.
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« Reply #118 on: March 16, 2009, 04:34:18 pm »
Thank you for posting, Ms. F. Most of us admire what you do very much. Imo, anyone who thinks you would lie in a story to help the team or to fool us is an idiot. Similarly, anyone who thinks Wade would lie to you rather than talk off the record also is an idiot. Your job is to ask questions and to report answers fairly. You do that very well. His job is to keep negotiations confidential if they are sensitive. No one deserved the criticism on here for this story or deal, imo.

The only thing bad about this whole situation is that many of those who were flapping their gums about this weeks ago will now believe that they've been validated, despite the fact that they were dead wrong at the time.
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« Reply #119 on: March 16, 2009, 04:41:32 pm »
The only thing bad about this whole situation is that many of those who were flapping their gums about this weeks ago will now believe that they've been validated, despite the fact that they were dead wrong at the time.

It's like Bizarro Justice.
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« Reply #120 on: March 16, 2009, 04:45:21 pm »
You really think that?  I see it as a reporter reading "fans" responses to a signing such as this and she is measuring how they feel.  I doubt we are the only place she is reading responses, so why you would say this is beyond me... unless you were kidding of course.

I was kidding of course.  It's her job to cover the Astros and be a conduit through which information travels between the organization and its fans.  Seeing as that this forum tends to be where some of the more astute/passionate of the latter congregate, imho, I'm not surprised she checks in from time to time.  From hearing bits and pieces of her 1560 segment, I got the impression she doesn't find Kissimmee to be all that happening on a place.

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« Reply #121 on: March 16, 2009, 04:48:41 pm »
The only thing bad about this whole situation is that many of those who were flapping their gums about this weeks ago will now believe that they've been validated, despite the fact that they were dead wrong at the time.

Like the broken clock, the rumor-mongers have to be right every now and then, especially with all of the crap they toss out there. It's like TTB's trade suggestions.
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« Reply #122 on: March 16, 2009, 04:53:02 pm »
It's like Bizarro Justice.

If an infinite number of Chronicle / ESPN hacks sat at an infinite number of keyboards, eventually one of them will blog something that isn't full of shit.
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« Reply #123 on: March 16, 2009, 04:54:22 pm »
If an infinite number of Chronicle / ESPN hacks sat at an infinite number of keyboards, eventually one of them will blog something that isn't full of shit.

That was my point too.
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« Reply #124 on: March 16, 2009, 05:22:18 pm »
Thank you for posting, Ms. F. Most of us admire what you do very much. Imo, anyone who thinks you would lie in a story to help the team or to fool us is an idiot. Similarly, anyone who thinks Wade would lie to you rather than talk off the record also is an idiot. Your job is to ask questions and to report answers fairly. You do that very well. His job is to keep negotiations confidential if they are sensitive. No one deserved the criticism on here for this story or deal, imo.

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« Reply #125 on: March 16, 2009, 05:37:29 pm »
I have nothing to add. I just wanted to post in the same thread as Alyson Footer.

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« Reply #126 on: March 16, 2009, 05:38:12 pm »
Any messing with her profile by us is a clear violation of our morals and ethics.  Okay, stop laughing, I'm serious... really, I'm not kidding. You there, I see you ROTFLing... stop that!!!


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« Reply #127 on: March 16, 2009, 05:41:05 pm »
I have nothing to add. I just wanted to post in the same thread as Alyson Footer.

I have to stop now before I use an emoticon.


Total non-sequitur....but does Letterman still do his "Brush With Greatness" gag?  If so, you're in the running Dude.
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« Reply #128 on: March 16, 2009, 05:57:16 pm »
Last year Astros catchers batted .201/.281/.289, whereas last year Pudge batted .276/.319/.394. In 398 at-bats (the number Pudge had last year), that's a difference of an estimated 18 runs created.

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« Reply #129 on: March 16, 2009, 06:00:02 pm »
Last year Astros catchers batted .201/.281/.289, whereas last year Pudge batted .276/.319/.394. In 398 at-bats (the number Pudge had last year), that's a difference of an estimated 18 runs created.


Why, that's almost an extra run every 10 days.


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« Reply #130 on: March 16, 2009, 06:01:39 pm »

Why, that's almost an extra run every 10 days.




NLCS, here we come!

Pudge is not a bad deal for the money, even at his age.

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« Reply #131 on: March 16, 2009, 06:02:49 pm »
NLCS, here we come!

Pudge is not a bad deal for the money, even at his age.


Waddya mean "his age"?!?!?!  He's younger than I am, and I consider myself a bargain.
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« Reply #132 on: March 16, 2009, 06:42:09 pm »
I have nothing to add. I just wanted to post in the same thread as Alyson Footer.

I have to stop now before I use an emoticon.

Is it just me or are Clarks definitely doing so much better this year!  Nice!

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« Reply #133 on: March 16, 2009, 06:43:07 pm »
I was kidding of course.  It's her job to cover the Astros and be a conduit through which information travels between the organization and its fans.  Seeing as that this forum tends to be where some of the more astute/passionate of the latter congregate, imho, I'm not surprised she checks in from time to time.  From hearing bits and pieces of her 1560 segment, I got the impression she doesn't find Kissimmee to be all that happening on a place.

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« Reply #134 on: March 16, 2009, 06:46:07 pm »
Had I known there was an ethics clause, I'd have never agreed to hang out with this lot.

Wait (looking in wastebasket)... here it is! (*crumple, crumple, crumple*)  Oh wait, this is a beer tab receipt from Lil' Woodrows.  I'll get back to you soon.

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« Reply #135 on: March 16, 2009, 07:05:12 pm »
The only thing bad about this whole situation is that many of those who were flapping their gums about this weeks ago will now believe that they've been validated, despite the fact that they were dead wrong at the time.

Actually, the truth of the matter is that several weeks ago, the price was well out of the range of the Houston Astros.  Not only we're they not interested, they were validated in thinking that dealing with Satan Boras is a very bad idea.  They must of forgotten about the why they hate contacting Beelzebub, but they were reminded real quick like.

This deal is Boras getting out of the way, like he did with Manny and letting the player finally control some of the negotiation (just to get what he wants).  Happened with A-Rod, happened with Varitek, happened with Manny, now it's happened with Pudge.  I'm still worried we are now firmly planted at straight up 12 on the doomsday clock, but perhaps I'm being overly sensitive here.

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« Reply #136 on: March 16, 2009, 07:10:04 pm »
He won't think Lance is funny when he snap-throws to 1B and Puma's busy adjusting his snacks and/or yappin' it up with the baserunner.  Maybe they need a surreptitious sign for a throw down to 1st - a subtle one like the ol' squeeze bunt sign they used to use for Shane Reynolds.

Anyone think it's ironic that "Pudge" Rodriquez is joining a team with "Puma" Berkman?

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« Reply #137 on: March 16, 2009, 07:15:04 pm »
If an infinite number of Chronicle / ESPN hacks sat at an infinite number of keyboards, eventually one of them will blog something that isn't full of shit.

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« Reply #138 on: March 16, 2009, 07:23:39 pm »
Anyone think it's ironic that "Pudge" Rodriquez is joining a team with "Puma" Berkman?

Any one want to take a stab at Pudge's fan group?
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« Reply #139 on: March 16, 2009, 07:29:42 pm »
The Crazy Ivans, perhaps?

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« Reply #140 on: March 16, 2009, 07:31:11 pm »
Pudgefackers.
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« Reply #141 on: March 16, 2009, 07:54:11 pm »
Any one want to take a stab at Pudge's fan group?

Will Milo call him "Pudgy"?
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« Reply #142 on: March 16, 2009, 08:20:08 pm »
Any one want to take a stab at Pudge's fan group?

Bunch of people dressed up as Sumo Wrestlers?
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« Reply #143 on: March 16, 2009, 08:25:13 pm »
Pudgefackers.

Man, you're close.  That should read Pudgebackers.

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« Reply #144 on: March 16, 2009, 08:26:33 pm »
Any one want to take a stab at Pudge's fan group?

Pudge's Jugs?

I mean, it kinda rhymes and the costumes would be a hell of a lot better than the furries out near the Conoco Pump.
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« Reply #145 on: March 16, 2009, 08:28:26 pm »
God, don't let it be Pudge's Pudgies.
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« Reply #146 on: March 16, 2009, 09:15:09 pm »
God, don't let it be Pudge's Pudgies.

Ahhhh... Pudge's Budgies!  Nice!

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« Reply #147 on: March 16, 2009, 09:19:25 pm »
Ahhhh... Pudge's Budgies!  Nice!

Oh, right, like the Little Pumas won't chomp those things down in a microsecond.
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« Reply #148 on: March 17, 2009, 12:00:40 am »
Waddya mean "his age"?!?!?!  He's younger than I am, and I consider myself a bargain.

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« Reply #149 on: March 17, 2009, 12:03:11 am »
Pudgefackers.

I was still chuckling at Crazy Ivans when you hit me with this.
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« Reply #150 on: March 17, 2009, 09:42:36 am »
I imagine the uptick in the economy over the last week helped a lot.  Combined with the lack of anyone stepping it up in spring training, the crappy spring record not helping ticket sales, and the buzz created by signing a future hall of famer.   Definitely a good signing.  I imagine by opening day the addition of Pudge would have created enough interest to pay his salary.

It's either a break even or win situation for the Astros and a win for Pudge (Playing time was all that mattered.  No respectful hall of famer accepts a backup job.)


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« Reply #151 on: March 17, 2009, 10:02:11 am »
Pudge's fans: Brian Wilson and the "God Only Knows" Agoraphobics!
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« Reply #152 on: March 17, 2009, 10:09:37 am »
Cheap.  The word you're looking for is "cheap".

Well sailor, I'll have you know...I may be cheap, but I'm not easy.
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« Reply #153 on: March 18, 2009, 11:53:11 am »
Pudgefackers.
So, my one culinary weakness is these $0.99 Kimchee **HOT** noodle bowls.  I eat them all the time, especially at work where I can close my office door to keep my co-workers from smelling the spicey goodness.  Here I am, finishing my bowl for the day by slurping the hot juice (um, that don't sound so good...) from the styrofoam bowl Japanese Miso-style after all the noodles are done right when read your post.  I had two choices:  spew all over valuable company assets or try to swallow while I was laughing.  Man, that stuff burns when it shoots up your nose and down the wrong pipe...
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« Reply #154 on: March 18, 2009, 12:02:06 pm »
Note from AZ:

Official signing is tomorrow.

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« Reply #155 on: March 18, 2009, 09:03:32 pm »
Andruw about to opt out from Texas. Boras calling teams.

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« Reply #156 on: March 20, 2009, 06:06:00 am »
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« Reply #157 on: March 20, 2009, 09:03:41 am »
Not what I meant, Limey. He called the Phils.
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« Reply #158 on: March 20, 2009, 09:14:18 am »
Alyson relives the Pudge saga

Although it is silly that she needs to "defend" herself, I appreciate the insight of the detailed timeline.  I am so thankful that I don't have to rely on the Chronicle knuckleheads for my Astros info!

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« Reply #159 on: March 20, 2009, 10:23:30 am »
This part worries/annoys/angers me and confirms wideheld opinions of Boras' tactics.
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Boras, apparently unbeknownst to Wade, had actually already reached out to Drayton a day earlier and given him the "you really need Pudge, he really wants to be in Houston" speech to the Astros owner.

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« Reply #160 on: March 20, 2009, 10:24:39 am »
This part worries/annoys/angers me and confirms wideheld opinions of Boras' tactics.
What, you're not getting the answer you want from the GM, so you go over his head?


It also clarifies why Heyman was so certain that Pudge was in talks with *the Astros*, not with Wade.  Boras was his source.
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« Reply #161 on: March 20, 2009, 11:02:12 am »
This part worries/annoys/angers me and confirms wideheld opinions of Boras' tactics.
What, you're not getting the answer you want from the GM, so you go over his head?


Team Racket (the Hendricks Brothers) do this as well as many other agents.  Most if not all owners will refer the agents back to the GM.  Drayton is a very different beast when it comes to negotiations, he is intimately involved, as evidenced by his involvement with Team Racket in 1998/99.  GM Gerry Hunsicker had told the agents flat out "NO!" (in much more heated terms I might add) that prompted the agents to go on the offensive through the media, calling Hunsicker all sorts of names.  One radio segment had the agent pleading with Hunsicker to be man enough to meet him in a dark alley one night so they could settle their differences man to man.  In end, it was the agents reaching out to McLane and McLane openly saying he would get involved that seemed on the surface to undermine the GM's opinion on the matter of spending money on the high priced, not even a free agent pitcher.

So nothing new in terms of dealing with the Houston Astros owner, the agents all know that you can reach out to him and he will entertain a negotiation session with you (because he loves to do his fair share of horse tradin').  In end though, if it is not with the GM involved in some capacity, going to the owner will only get you so far.  McLane knows and has openly stated that he expects the GM to be involved in ironing out the details and expects to hear the judgement of the GM in terms of whether it is a good idea (or not) to engage the agent for said player.

In the case of Pudge, hell froze over and Satan was a pussy cat.  All things that needed to happen for this to be a done deal.  I never thought I would live to see the day that Boras would be so pedestrian, but it did and so as Joaquin says "Juneberno!" on some things that you're definitely sure of.  I'm sure that, as I have opined before, Footer knows she was never lied to and up the minute she asked and was told "NO" in terms of Pudge, all of that was true.

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« Reply #162 on: March 20, 2009, 11:35:55 am »
This part worries/annoys/angers me and confirms wideheld opinions of Boras' tactics.
What, you're not getting the answer you want from the GM, so you go over his head?


Now Boras finds Mclane's phone number?  The timeline makes Coopers happy talk earlier in the week about the catchers seem silly. 

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« Reply #163 on: March 20, 2009, 11:58:56 am »
Absolutely nothing wrong with an agent's doing that, imo.
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« Reply #164 on: March 20, 2009, 12:19:00 pm »
Nothing wrong with an agent doing that.  Lots wrong with an owner selling out his GM by doing that.
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« Reply #165 on: March 20, 2009, 12:29:49 pm »
Nothing wrong with an agent doing that.  Lots wrong with an owner selling out his GM by doing that.

I think Hunsicker heard about the Kent signing about the same time we did.

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« Reply #166 on: March 20, 2009, 12:41:58 pm »
..Footer knows she was never lied to and up the minute she asked and was told "NO" in terms of Pudge, all of that was true.


Lied to? No.  Not given the full story?  Yes.  "Ed talked to Boras after Friday night's game. Ed made an offer. Boras didn't think it was enough, but he said he'd get back to him."  that's from the blog entry.  And the only way she could know about this is Wade told her.  So there seems to be some desire to walk back the story on his part too.  GM Wade is not adverse to talking generally about his plans.  Right after the Boone announcement he let us know that a team contacted him about a 3b.  Not that they negotiated, just contacted.  Last season there was a comment a day from Wade about his plans for rearranging the team.  The Marlins and the Giants found ways to communicate that they had "explored" or were "mulling" over signing Rodriguez.  All we got was a dirty look.

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« Reply #167 on: March 20, 2009, 12:48:55 pm »
A GM has no responsibility to say what he is doing before it is done.
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« Reply #168 on: March 20, 2009, 12:57:12 pm »
A GM has no responsibility to say what he is doing before it is done.

Who is saying that?  The GM is responsible for putting together a team people want to pay money to watch. 

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« Reply #169 on: March 20, 2009, 01:13:41 pm »
Lied to? No.  Not given the full story?  Yes.  "Ed talked to Boras after Friday night's game. Ed made an offer. Boras didn't think it was enough, but he said he'd get back to him."  that's from the blog entry.  And the only way she could know about this is Wade told her.  So there seems to be some desire to walk back the story on his part too.  GM Wade is not adverse to talking generally about his plans.  Right after the Boone announcement he let us know that a team contacted him about a 3b.  Not that they negotiated, just contacted.  Last season there was a comment a day from Wade about his plans for rearranging the team.  The Marlins and the Giants found ways to communicate that they had "explored" or were "mulling" over signing Rodriguez.  All we got was a dirty look.

I don't want to belabor this point because the lovely Ms. Footer thinks this is about her integrity and it is not.  She did her job and Wade answered in the best possible light given what he knew at the time the question was asked.  What seems to be in question (and I indulged myself into the same thought process) is could Wade had provided at minimum a hint that the door is always open for the possibility while politely saying things such as "but it is highly unlikely"?  I think in nominal situations this is what would be done and Wade will do it and Ms. Footer will report what she hears and it will not come out as an emphatic "NOOOOO!!!!" that then seems to have been a ruse.

I believe it was never a ruse, it was not intentional and it was as has been said by the best source, Ms. Footer herself, that things changed quickly so even the best of speed to connect to the internet and post a report was not quick enough to keep up with the changing landscape of Pudge negotiations.  So what is now in question is if Ed Wade's emphatic "NOOOO!" could have been less emphatic and left an out for the reporter in case things change (as they did)?  I don't know for sure, but my speculation (and it's only that) is that the name Scott Boras elicited emphatic "NOOOO!" from any and all Houston Astros personnel because the owner himself probably made it very clear that he would never allow his team, his employees and his self to be used and abused by the evil again!  If that meant being emphatic about saying "NOOOO!" to questions about interest about a certain player, so be it.

So Mr. Wade's answers were perhaps (and I submit this as a huge perhaps) is based on leadership meetings that lead him to say he is not interested in such a manner.  Somehow, Boras was able to come to the owner in a position of weakness and that placated the owner enough to change the emphatic response tremendously.  And Ms. Footer is left somewhat out of the loop because she only reports what she is told and she also does not believe the GM was being evasive and coy with his "NOOOOO!!!" answer.  At the time, it was a solid answer with the proper emphasis.  What changed that emphasis is McLane's change of heart primarily or so I suspect because Boras was not coming at them with malice of heart or intent any more.  Or so they saw him.

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« Reply #170 on: March 20, 2009, 01:21:32 pm »
I think Footer's time line blog post explaining what happened is also Wade's explanation.   The only way she gets all that information is Wade told her.   So, it seems obvious to me, Wade also felt the need to explain himself. 

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« Reply #171 on: March 20, 2009, 01:24:53 pm »
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« Reply #172 on: March 20, 2009, 01:26:53 pm »
I think Footer's time line blog post explaining what happened is also Wade's explanation.   The only way she gets all that information is Wade told her.   So, it seems obvious to me, Wade also felt the need to explain himself. 

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« Reply #173 on: March 20, 2009, 01:34:33 pm »
I look forward to reading the time line of Cooper's canning.

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