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« on: October 17, 2008, 01:59:55 pm »
Have a friend/neighbor who just returned back from the Japanese PCL.  A few things he related (he's a pitcher, so that has a bearing):

They don't field well.  It's not neccessarily that they are individually bad fielders, but the infield is most often oddly positioned.  Corners are in even in non-bunting situations, and middle infielders play almost at prevent position.  As a result, lots of grounders end up in the outfield.  Not a lot of double plays.

From the start of the game, the bullpen is going double barrel.  They will pull a starter two innings into the game after giving up a run.

Hitters are uncoventional and will hit pitches that American hitters would not swing at or would not be able to hit if they tried.  Think Suzuki.  They will also adjust quicker than American hitters.

When pitchers go in and are making their warmup pitches, the pitching coach will stand next to the pitcher.  This is mostly for show as neither the coach nor the American pitcher can understand each other.  The interpreter will also stand there but is never needed.

If a batter is hit by a pitch, they'll take him into the clubhouse for examination or whatever.  While this is occuring, the game stops until he returns back to the field.

If a player screws up, he'll have to stand in front of the manager with his head bowed for however long it takes for the manager to chew him out or until he's satisfied the guy has been properly chastised.  Sometimes, they'll even slap the player.  This occurs in the dugout while the team is batting.  Of course, this method is not implemented on the foreign players due to problems associated with having bats rammed up the manager's ass.

Umpires will overturn decisions.  They'll also squeeze the shit out of foreign pitchers.

The visiting teams dress at the hotel and go to the game with their uniform on and return to the hotel afterward in uniform.  Not unusual to see players catching taxis or trains in uniform.

They don't mud up the baseballs, so they're a little slick.  Also, the seams are a little more pronounced and the ball is slightly smaller.

Bobby Valentine is a creep.

The games stop in the fifth inning for the home team's cheerleaders to come on the field to lead cheers.  The players sit in the dugout while this is occuring.

Mixed bag as far as interpreters go.  Some are good while others have a very limited grasp of English.  Foreign players often just make up stuff while interviewed because no one can really understand each other.

Rain outs are all made up at the end of the season regardless of effect on the standings.

Teams will play their infields in with a guy on third while leading 7-0 in the 7th inning (well, maybe TB needs to do that, come to think of it).

Only advice he received from his pitching coach was to "get the first guy out."  That was quite a revelation--that thought had never occured to him.  The manager once critiqued him for "throwing too many strikes."




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Re: Japanese Baseball
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2008, 02:54:55 pm »
Cool insight, thanks.
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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2008, 03:18:35 pm »
Trust he won't go back..

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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2008, 03:27:02 pm »
Trust he won't go back..

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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2008, 03:27:32 pm »
Is this the same fellow that we watched earlier in the year at Round Rock?
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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2008, 03:34:55 pm »
Have a friend/neighbor who just returned back from the Japanese PCL.  A few things he related (he's a pitcher, so that has a bearing):

They don't field well.  It's not neccessarily that they are individually bad fielders, but the infield is most often oddly positioned.  Corners are in even in non-bunting situations, and middle infielders play almost at prevent position.  As a result, lots of grounders end up in the outfield.  Not a lot of double plays.

From the start of the game, the bullpen is going double barrel.  They will pull a starter two innings into the game after giving up a run.

Hitters are uncoventional and will hit pitches that American hitters would not swing at or would not be able to hit if they tried.  Think Suzuki.  They will also adjust quicker than American hitters.

When pitchers go in and are making their warmup pitches, the pitching coach will stand next to the pitcher.  This is mostly for show as neither the coach nor the American pitcher can understand each other.  The interpreter will also stand there but is never needed.

If a batter is hit by a pitch, they'll take him into the clubhouse for examination or whatever.  While this is occuring, the game stops until he returns back to the field.

If a player screws up, he'll have to stand in front of the manager with his head bowed for however long it takes for the manager to chew him out or until he's satisfied the guy has been properly chastised.  Sometimes, they'll even slap the player.  This occurs in the dugout while the team is batting.  Of course, this method is not implemented on the foreign players due to problems associated with having bats rammed up the manager's ass.

Umpires will overturn decisions.  They'll also squeeze the shit out of foreign pitchers.

The visiting teams dress at the hotel and go to the game with their uniform on and return to the hotel afterward in uniform.  Not unusual to see players catching taxis or trains in uniform.

They don't mud up the baseballs, so they're a little slick.  Also, the seams are a little more pronounced and the ball is slightly smaller.

Bobby Valentine is a creep.

The games stop in the fifth inning for the home team's cheerleaders to come on the field to lead cheers.  The players sit in the dugout while this is occuring.

Mixed bag as far as interpreters go.  Some are good while others have a very limited grasp of English.  Foreign players often just make up stuff while interviewed because no one can really understand each other.

Rain outs are all made up at the end of the season regardless of effect on the standings.

Teams will play their infields in with a guy on third while leading 7-0 in the 7th inning (well, maybe TB needs to do that, come to think of it).

Only advice he received from his pitching coach was to "get the first guy out."  That was quite a revelation--that thought had never occured to him.  The manager once critiqued him for "throwing too many strikes."

very interesting. thanks for sharing.

the "infield in no matter the score" reminds me of a JV game i watched Mark play in. his coach was a great guy and a good football coach, but in baseball stategy, not so much. McCallum was getting killed something like 12-0 with one out in the last inning. the next hitter drew a walk, and after getting his sign from the coach,  the hitter after the walk laid down the prettiest sacrifice bunt you ever saw. seems the coach was playing for that two out 13-run HR.
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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2008, 03:58:53 pm »
Is this the same fellow that we watched earlier in the year at Round Rock?

Yes, he was with Albuquerque (Florida).  Like a lot of AAA pitchers, he had an out in his contract if he wasn't on the major league roster by a certain date allowing him to be bought by another organization or the Japanese.  They gave him a sweet two month deal to pitch, along with an apartment (they pay 90% of the rent, player pays 10%).  He's probably a great candidate for the Japanese in that he's well educated and sensitive to their vast ocean of cultural minutae, keeps himself in good condition, and is accompanied by his wife and happily married.  In other words, he's not a crass over the hill pot-bellied gaijin chasing around after the local girls.

Speaking of girls, Japanese women are apparently dressing provocatively these days.  They wear high heels everywhere.  Still a highly male dominated society and mistresses are common. 

His wife said she grew tired of getting stared at.  People would literally stop what they were doing to look at them (I thought that strange in this day and age).  Once, a guy walked up to her and said, "Donuts."  That was all and then he walked away.  She figured that donuts was the only English word he knew.
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2008, 04:06:07 pm »
Once, a guy walked up to her and said, "Donuts."  That was all and then he walked away.  She figured that donuts was the only English word he knew.

I will try this line on the missus later. Fingers crossed.
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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2008, 04:08:54 pm »
I will try this line on the missus later. Fingers crossed.

I already tried and failed miserably.  Substitute "diamonds" and you're probably good to go.
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2008, 04:17:33 pm »


Speaking of girls, Japanese women are apparently dressing provocatively these days.  They wear high heels everywhere.  Still a highly male dominated society and mistresses are common. 


I was in Tokyo this past January and all the women wore short skirts or shorts in 35 degree weather.  It was astounding.  Next time I go back I want to go during their baseball season to catch a game as it sounds very interesting.

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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2008, 04:30:53 pm »
I was in Tokyo this past January and all the women wore short skirts or shorts in 35 degree weather.  It was astounding.  Next time I go back I want to go during their baseball season to catch a game as it sounds very interesting.

Tokyo must import their girls from Woking, in Surrey. In the dead of winter, the teens come out at night, wearing micro minis and little else. I was hoping they'd freeze, but apparently it's booze in their veins rather than blood, so no such luck.
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2008, 04:38:00 pm »
I already tried and failed miserably.  Substitute "diamonds" and you're probably good to go.

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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2008, 04:46:24 pm »
I feel like Limey but:



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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2008, 04:51:18 pm »
Tokyo must import their girls from Woking, in Surrey. In the dead of winter, the teens come out at night, wearing micro minis and little else. I was hoping they'd freeze, but apparently it's booze in their veins rather than blood, so no such luck.
A lot of them were the teen variety in the cliche Japanese school girl getup but there were women on the train during the morning commute sporting similar attire.  I can't speak for what their profession was though.

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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2008, 04:57:27 pm »
A lot of them were the teen variety in the cliche Japanese school girl getup but there were women on the train during the morning commute sporting similar attire.  I can't speak for what their profession was though.

Maybe it's because i have daughters but i find that whole schoolgirl thing a little disturbing.
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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2008, 05:03:32 pm »
Maybe it's because i have daughters but i find that whole schoolgirl thing a little disturbing.

Definitely 10'll-getcha-20. It's more than a little disturbing, IMO.
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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2008, 05:41:15 pm »
Thanks for taking the time to type that up, Taras.  Did he mention why the Japanese pronounce "Baseball" like some type of military watering hole?
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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2008, 06:39:53 pm »
Thanks for taking the time to type that up, Taras.  Did he mention why the Japanese pronounce "Baseball" like some type of military watering hole?

Japanese isn't my foreign language of expertise, but I think I can help you here, assuming you hear them say it as "bays(eh) ba(l)r". Japanese words, as a rule, do not usually have successive consonants. So, the "s" sound next to the "b" sound causes problems. That's why kind of vocalize the "e" slightly to put a vowel sound in between the two consonants. The "bar" part comes from the fact they don't have a distinctive "l" sound in their language, so when they pronounce foreign words with an "l" it comes off sounding like a cross between an l/r.

If I'm wrong here, someone please correct me, but I think that's the linguistic explanation. And if you weren't being serious, well then now I feel stupid. Anyway, hope this explains it.

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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2008, 07:13:19 pm »
I will try this line on the missus later. Fingers crossed.


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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2008, 08:02:59 pm »
Japanese isn't my foreign language of expertise, but I think I can help you here, assuming you hear them say it as "bays(eh) ba(l)r". Japanese words, as a rule, do not usually have successive consonants. So, the "s" sound next to the "b" sound causes problems. That's why kind of vocalize the "e" slightly to put a vowel sound in between the two consonants. The "bar" part comes from the fact they don't have a distinctive "l" sound in their language, so when they pronounce foreign words with an "l" it comes off sounding like a cross between an l/r.

If I'm wrong here, someone please correct me, but I think that's the linguistic explanation. And if you weren't being serious, well then now I feel stupid. Anyway, hope this explains it.

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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2008, 08:56:59 pm »
I have eggstraordinary memories of my travels to Asia--out of the country--but the baseball game I took in at Hiroshima was unforgettable.  It was a blend of studio wrestling, high school basketball and bleacher bum behavior. There were as many fights as one would see at a Ohio St.home game.
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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2008, 09:39:18 am »
Bobby Valentine is a creep.

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« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2008, 07:00:37 am »

"I love your donuts.  Your profound, profound donuts."

wonder what he would have said if hed seen Lima's wife.  Melons....Melons.

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« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2008, 01:14:25 pm »
Japanese isn't my foreign language of expertise, but I think I can help you here, assuming you hear them say it as "bays(eh) ba(l)r". Japanese words, as a rule, do not usually have successive consonants. So, the "s" sound next to the "b" sound causes problems. That's why kind of vocalize the "e" slightly to put a vowel sound in between the two consonants. The "bar" part comes from the fact they don't have a distinctive "l" sound in their language, so when they pronounce foreign words with an "l" it comes off sounding like a cross between an l/r.

If I'm wrong here, someone please correct me, but I think that's the linguistic explanation. And if you weren't being serious, well then now I feel stupid. Anyway, hope this explains it.

Good explanation.  The Japanese alphabet (there are actually 3 alphabets) isn't comprised of single letters like English but of consonants followed by vowels (e.g., the "k" letter series would be ka, ki, ku, ke, ko).  The only exception is the letter "n."  So, the only consecutive consonants are n followed by one of their letter combinations ("sensei," "bonzai").  Incidentally, this means the only time a word can end in a consonant is with n (e.g., Daniel-san, Nihon which means Japan).  It makes pronouncing certain english words really difficult, especially last names.

There l and r are the same sound as Russe mentioned.  Our teacher one time said, "Where do you rib?" and she had to repeat it 5 times before we realized she was saying "live."

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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2008, 01:24:57 pm »
There l and r are the same sound as Russe mentioned.  Our teacher one time said, "Where do you rib?" and she had to repeat it 5 times before we realized she was saying "live."

In Memphis your teacher would have gotten an answer the first time, though she'd probably be puzzled hearingthat someone said he lived in a bar-b-q restaurant.

Those were good explanations by both of you.  My recollection of vowel pronunciation is that they don't vary as ours do with our "short a" and "long a", etc.  Is that accurate, or does the consonant dictate a vowel's tone?
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« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2008, 08:48:22 am »
Good explanation.  The Japanese alphabet (there are actually 3 alphabets) isn't comprised of single letters like English but of consonants followed by vowels (e.g., the "k" letter series would be ka, ki, ku, ke, ko).  The only exception is the letter "n."  So, the only consecutive consonants are n followed by one of their letter combinations ("sensei," "bonzai").  Incidentally, this means the only time a word can end in a consonant is with n (e.g., Daniel-san, Nihon which means Japan).  It makes pronouncing certain english words really difficult, especially last names.

There l and r are the same sound as Russe mentioned.  Our teacher one time said, "Where do you rib?" and she had to repeat it 5 times before we realized she was saying "live."

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« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2008, 09:34:25 am »
In Memphis your teacher would have gotten an answer the first time, though she'd probably be puzzled hearingthat someone said he lived in a bar-b-q restaurant.

Those were good explanations by both of you.  My recollection of vowel pronunciation is that they don't vary as ours do with our "short a" and "long a", etc.  Is that accurate, or does the consonant dictate a vowel's tone?

All short vowels.   There is a lot of inflection which makes you sound like a retard if its not your native language.

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« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2008, 11:35:00 am »
All short vowels.   There is a lot of inflection which makes you sound like a retard if its not your native language.
Plus some of the vowels are voiceless ... sort of like a whispered syllable in the middle of an otherwise normal-volume sentence.
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