Author Topic: Schaub (Read 10877 times)

BizidyDizidy · « **on:** September 28, 2008, 02:25:43 pm »

Game not over, but he looks a lot better when not playing the #1 defense in the league.

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #1 on:** September 28, 2008, 03:09:37 pm »

Schaub was a stud today - I hate the NFL OT rules.

austro · « **Reply #2 on:** September 28, 2008, 03:11:36 pm »

Defense looked pretty anemic in the second half.

MusicMan · « **Reply #3 on:** September 28, 2008, 03:32:04 pm »

Unfortunately, this game turned on the fact that no one on field or sidelines for the Texans thought to call a TO when the Jags were in an obvious fake punt formation.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #4 on:** September 28, 2008, 05:49:09 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on September 28, 2008, 03:32:04 pm

Unfortunately, this game turned on the fact that no one on field or sidelines for the Texans thought to call a TO when the Jags were in an obvious fake punt formation.

It wasn't even a fake punt. They had the offense out on the field and lined up in a regular offensive formation. Someone should lose their job over that.

matadorph · « **Reply #5 on:** September 28, 2008, 09:46:33 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on September 28, 2008, 05:49:09 pm

It wasn't even a fake punt. They had the offense out on the field and lined up in a regular offensive formation. Someone should lose their job over that.

That was almost as bad as last week's failure to challenge that 40-yd pass to McCareins that led to a Lendale White TD. I really loathe the reactionary types who wanted Kubiak fired and Schaub benched, but there is a valid argument to be made about pinning the last two losses on the coaching staff. The timeout that wasn't called and the challenge flag that wasn't used could've been the difference in 2-1 and 0-3. Not to mention the field goals not attempted in Nashville.

Astroholic · « **Reply #6 on:** September 29, 2008, 09:38:58 am »

Quote from: matadorph on September 28, 2008, 09:46:33 pm

That was almost as bad as last week's failure to challenge that 40-yd pass to McCareins that led to a Lendale White TD. I really loathe the reactionary types who wanted Kubiak fired and Schaub benched, but there is a valid argument to be made about pinning the last two losses on the coaching staff. The timeout that wasn't called and the challenge flag that wasn't used could've been the difference in 2-1 and 0-3. Not to mention the field goals not attempted in Nashville.

What this game boiled down to was the defense could not stop the offense (on both sides of the ball). There were several third and longs and either players were out of position or they did not make plays (nice tackle D. Ryans). I will say it again, Richard Smith needs to be run out of town asap. No way Mario Williams should be dropping into coverage....no way.

MusicMan · « **Reply #7 on:** September 29, 2008, 10:09:39 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on September 28, 2008, 05:49:09 pm

It wasn't even a fake punt. They had the offense out on the field and lined up in a regular offensive formation. Someone should lose their job over that.

A head coach has very few in-game responsibilities:

1. Change overall strategy.
2. Key tactical decisions (go for it, etc.)
3. Challenge calls.
4. Manage clock / call time outs.

Kubiak has completely failed in 2 of the 4 areas so far this year.

kevwun · « **Reply #8 on:** September 29, 2008, 10:13:57 am »

Kubiak is bad at challenges. Whoever is sitting in the booth looking at the replays needs to be replaced. Actually, maybe they don't have someone doing that. It would explain why Kubiak challenges stuff that is obviously not going to get overturned all the time.

Astroholic · « **Reply #9 on:** September 29, 2008, 10:35:58 am »

Quote from: kevwun on September 29, 2008, 10:13:57 am

Kubiak is bad at challenges. Whoever is sitting in the booth looking at the replays needs to be replaced. Actually, maybe they don't have someone doing that. It would explain why Kubiak challenges stuff that is obviously not going to get overturned all the time.

It appears to me that Kubiak is trying to run every part of this team or at least have everything go through him first. He needs to let the offense coord. call the plays. He needs to let the QB call audible at the line. He needs to let the d coordinator blitz (though as stated several times not sure R. Smith is capable).

He needs to concentrate on managing the game.

chuck · « **Reply #10 on:** September 29, 2008, 11:11:44 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on September 29, 2008, 10:09:39 am

A head coach has very few in-game responsibilities:

1. Change overall strategy.
2. Key tactical decisions (go for it, etc.)
3. Challenge calls.
4. Manage clock / call time outs.

Kubiak has completely failed in 2 of the 4 areas so far this year.

I count three of the four. I won't say that he's done a poor job of changing the overall strategy because I cannot discern that the team has an overall strategy.

Astroholic · « **Reply #11 on:** September 30, 2008, 08:15:36 am »

Quote from: chuck on September 29, 2008, 11:11:44 pm

I count three of the four. I won't say that he's done a poor job of changing the overall strategy because I cannot discern that the team has an overall strategy.

So of the four, which one do you think he has done well?

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #12 on:** October 05, 2008, 02:07:19 pm »

His backup is pretty good.

Savage · « **Reply #13 on:** October 05, 2008, 02:47:21 pm »

Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on October 05, 2008, 02:07:19 pm

His backup is pretty good.

Not so much.

austro · « **Reply #14 on:** October 05, 2008, 02:48:20 pm »

What a fucking meltdown.

Lurch · « **Reply #15 on:** October 05, 2008, 02:56:37 pm »

Grabbing Sage for my fantasy team just went from coup to clusterfuck in 4 plays.

Lurch · « **Reply #16 on:** October 05, 2008, 03:00:00 pm »

Can not believe Sage just gave this game away. Unreal

Bench · « **Reply #17 on:** October 05, 2008, 03:03:06 pm »

Holy shit. I don't think I've ever seen such a sudden (non-Cub) self-destruction.

BudGirl · « **Reply #18 on:** October 05, 2008, 03:06:34 pm »

that was unbelievably bad.

MusicMan · « **Reply #19 on:** October 05, 2008, 03:24:19 pm »

Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on October 05, 2008, 02:07:19 pm

His backup is pretty good.

Worst POTW.

austro · « **Reply #20 on:** October 05, 2008, 03:46:09 pm »

Quote from: Bench on October 05, 2008, 03:03:06 pm

Holy shit. I don't think I've ever seen such a sudden (non-Cub) self-destruction.

I wonder if the FBGs and BBGs cooperate, and if the Texans' collapse is payback for our aggressive gloating about the Cubs' (mis?)fortune. Even if it is, it's a trade I'll happily accept. Fuck the Cubs.

matadorph · « **Reply #21 on:** October 05, 2008, 03:53:02 pm »

I haven't felt this way about a football game since 1993.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #22 on:** October 05, 2008, 06:19:11 pm »

Quote from: Lurch on October 05, 2008, 03:00:00 pm

Can not believe Sage just gave this game away. Unreal

Sage? This fall sqarely on one person's shoulders. Gary Kubiak's. His incompetence as an NFL head coach is mindboggling. If he is not fired tomorrow, the Texans may have gotten the last dime they'll ever get from me, not to mention I will have lost any and all respect for Bob McNair as an owner.

matadorph · « **Reply #23 on:** October 05, 2008, 06:34:38 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on October 05, 2008, 06:19:11 pm

Sage? This fall sqarely on one person's shoulders. Gary Kubiak's. His incompetence as an NFL head coach is mindboggling. If he is not fired tomorrow, the Texans may have gotten the last dime they'll ever get from me, not to mention I will have lost any and all respect for Bob McNair as an owner.

What complete and total horseshit. Your baseball acumen is top notch HH, but this is one of the wrongest statements ever.

What is Kubiak supposed to do, carry the ball for Sage? All the man had to do was slide! Game over!

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #24 on:** October 05, 2008, 06:38:22 pm »

Quote from: matadorph on October 05, 2008, 06:34:38 pm

What complete and total horseshit. Your baseball acumen is top notch HH, but this is one of the wrongest statements ever.

What is Kubiak supposed to do, carry the ball for Sage? All the man had to do was slide! Game over!

He's supposed to manage the fucking clock like someone who's seen a football game before. All Kubiak has to do is run the fucking football, like anyone who is not a total and complet fucking moron knows to do when you've got a two score lead with 3 minutes to play. His "skill" as an in-game coach is simply appalling. It has been glaring in all four games this year.

matadorph · « **Reply #25 on:** October 05, 2008, 06:55:57 pm »

He did run the ball.

He ran it on first down. Stuffed.

He ran it on second down. Stuffed.

The play action pass was set up perfectly, Rosenfels had room to run and/or throw. The camera shot didn't show what the coverage was like down the field or if his primary receiver was open, but regardless Rosenfels played it safe by pulling it down to run. All he had to do was go down, but Sage inexplicably forgot the #1 lesson Kubiak has preached since last year: PROTECT THE FOOTBALL!

That's Kubiak's fault? Sage wasn't even in a position to get touched by the defenders pursuing him. He was all alone in the open field and he could've slid down at the 33 yard line and let Kris Brown kick the FG. Instead of trying to win the game, Sage decided to try and win the QB job by playing the hero at the worst possible time.

Blaming Kubiak for such an idiotic decision is like blaming Cooper for Bourn's bone-headed baserunning last week.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #26 on:** October 05, 2008, 07:00:37 pm »

Quote from: matadorph on October 05, 2008, 06:55:57 pm

He did run the ball.

He ran it on first down. Stuffed.

He ran it on second down. Stuffed.

And you run it a third time. Calling a QB naked bootleg in that situation is the height of stupidity. Not to mention he did the same STUPID fucking shit when they got the ball back after the first fumble.

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Blaming Kubiak for such an idiotic decision is like blaming Cooper for Bourn's bone-headed baserunning last week.

Kubiak's coaching today was the equivalent of having a three run lead with two out in the 9th and ordering the pitcher to walk the bases loaded to face Albert Pujols. There is no excuse for it, and it (along with everything else demonstrating that he doesn't have a fucking clue) should cost him his job.

matadorph · « **Reply #27 on:** October 05, 2008, 07:07:04 pm »

He did run it a third time! Did you not see Rosenfels running all alone? Did you not see him launch himself in the air towards contact instead of going down on the ground?

Blaming Kubiak is reactionary nonsense. He and Shanahan called a fantastic game and he put his team in position to win a key divisional game, but the backup QB (who you've lauded as starter material) did what he's done many times before: turned it over with the game on the line.

matadorph · « **Reply #28 on:** October 05, 2008, 07:11:58 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on October 05, 2008, 07:00:37 pm

Kubiak's coaching today was the equivalent of having a three run lead with two out in the 9th and ordering the pitcher to walk the bases loaded to face Albert Pujols. There is no excuse for it, and it (along with everything else demonstrating that he doesn't have a fucking clue) should cost him his job.

Silly comparison.

A naked bootleg in that situation is a conservative play. You've just run it consecutive times up the gut, they know you want to run it again and will be doing everything possible to strip the ball away, they're expecting that running play....so you put your quarterback in position to either throw it to a wide open receiver down the field OR take the free yards and go down.

Rosenfels chose not to slide and it cost the Texans the game. That is not anything at all like walking the bases loaded to get to Pujols. You know better. Just admit you're wrong about him.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #29 on:** October 05, 2008, 07:14:45 pm »

Quote from: matadorph on October 05, 2008, 07:07:04 pm

He did run it a third time! Did you not see Rosenfels running all alone? Did you not see him launch himself in the air towards contact instead of going down on the ground?

Why the FUCK was Rosenfels within 10 yards of the football at that point? What kind of MORON makes his backup QB run on a naked bootleg instead of handing off to his RUNNING BACK when the ONLY thing that fucks you up at that point is a fumble?

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When they got the ball back after the first fumble, STILL with a lead...what does Kubiak do? He calls fucking PASSES!!!!!!!!!!!!

Christ, even if the QB took a fucking knee, that's five plays, FIVE FUCKING PLAYS they could have run, run the clock out and they'd have won the fucking game.

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Blaming Kubiak is reactionary nonsense. He and Shanahan called a fantastic game and he put his team in position to win a key divisional game,

And he, specifically, snatched that key victory from his team with his incompetence.

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but the backup QB (who you've lauded as starter material)

You have me confused with someone else. I've never suggested anything of the sort.

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HudsonHawk · « **Reply #30 on:** October 05, 2008, 07:15:46 pm »

Quote from: matadorph on October 05, 2008, 07:11:58 pm

Just admit you're wrong about him.

I'm spot-FUCKING-on about him. Kubiak is clueless.

matadorph · « **Reply #31 on:** October 05, 2008, 07:33:23 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on October 05, 2008, 07:14:45 pm

Why the FUCK was Rosenfels within 10 yards of the football at that point? What kind of MORON makes his backup QB run on a naked bootleg instead of handing off to his RUNNING BACK when the ONLY thing that fucks you up at that point is a fumble??

Right, because running backs never, ever, ever fumble when they run it up the middle. Not to mention the fact that a ten-point lead with four minutes left against Peyton Manning is hardly victory-in-waiting. You don't just concede your set of downs and let Manning do his thing. You still need to be somewhat aggressive. Conservative aggressiveness, which was exactly the play he called. Rosenfels fucked it up, not Kubiak.

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When they got the ball back after the first fumble, STILL with a lead...what does Kubiak do? He calls fucking PASSES!!!!!!!!!!!!

Christ, even if the QB took a fucking knee, that's five plays, FIVE FUCKING PLAYS they could have run, run the clock out and they'd have won the fucking game.

The Texans got the ball back with three and a half minutes left. He called a running play that went nowhere. The next play was a quick slant to Slaton that Rosenfels threw behind him, stopping the clock. Even if he'd run the ball with the Colts stacking the box to protect against it and looking to strip the ball, the Texans most likely would've been looking at third and long on the twenty. Essentially, you're conceding a three and out and handing the ball to Peyton Manning with a fucking three point lead and plenty of time left to march down the field.

Your judgment here is way off.

matadorph · « **Reply #32 on:** October 05, 2008, 07:36:04 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on October 05, 2008, 07:15:46 pm

I'm spot-FUCKING-on about him. Kubiak is clueless.

He's made some dumb mistakes this year and he's cost the Texans opportunities to win. Today was not on him.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #33 on:** October 05, 2008, 07:49:57 pm »

Quote from: matadorph on October 05, 2008, 07:33:23 pm

Right, because running backs never, ever, ever fumble when they run it up the middle.

They do a hell of a lot less than your backup QB running out in the open! Why??? Why do you even THINK about taking a chance like that? Pure stupidity.

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Not to mention the fact that a ten-point lead with four minutes left against Peyton Manning is hardly victory-in-waiting. You don't just concede your set of downs and let Manning do his thing.

Yes you do! You don't need to score again, you just need to NOT TURN THE BALL OVER! That's it! That's your only goal at that point! You run the fucking ball, make the Colts use their timeouts and work the clock. That's ALL you have to do at that point.

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You still need to be somewhat aggressive. Conservative aggressiveness, which was exactly the play he called. Rosenfels fucked it up, not Kubiak.

You have to be SMART. Something totally lost on Kubiak.

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The Texans got the ball back with three and a half minutes left. He called a running play that went nowhere. The next play was a quick slant to Slaton that Rosenfels threw behind him, stopping the clock. Even if he'd run the ball with the Colts stacking the box to protect against it and looking to strip the ball, the Texans most likely would've been looking at third and long on the twenty. Essentially, you're conceding a three and out and handing the ball to Peyton Manning with a fucking three point lead and plenty of time left to march down the field.

As opposed to handing them the ball on your own 20 with plenty of time. Great fucking strategy. You run the ball on third down on the previous possession. The Colts have to use their final timeout. You punt the ball, making the Colts go the length of the field with 3 minutes left with a TWO SCORE LEAD!!!!!!!!!!!! Even if they did manage to drive AT LEAST 80 yards in 3 minutes with NO TIMEOUTS, you still win the game! Jesus, the Colts practically conceeded the game with the onside kick. Instead you COMPLETELY step all over your collective dick and hand them a win.

No matter how you try to spin this, it was a complete and total clusterfuck, brought to you by the head coach.

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HudsonHawk · « **Reply #34 on:** October 05, 2008, 07:51:00 pm »

Quote from: matadorph on October 05, 2008, 07:36:04 pm

He's made some dumb mistakes this year and he's cost the Texans opportunities to win. Today was not on him.

Today was totally on him.

MusicMan · « **Reply #35 on:** October 05, 2008, 09:28:41 pm »

I don't think today was totally on Kubiak, as Sage clusterfucked beyond any consideration, ever again, of a QB controversy, but let me ask this:

Would a remotely competently oached team EVER spike the ball when trying to tie the game with 50 seconds left... AND TWO TIMEOUTS?!?!?!

MusicMan · « **Reply #36 on:** October 05, 2008, 09:37:39 pm »

PS... at least Kubiak burned those 2 timeouts when it was impossible for them to stop the Colts from kneeling it out. Way to avoid the questions, Coach.

chuck · « **Reply #37 on:** October 05, 2008, 09:50:20 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on October 05, 2008, 09:28:41 pm

Would a remotely competently oached team EVER spike the ball when trying to tie the game with 50 seconds left... AND TWO TIMEOUTS?!?!?!

I remember their having one time out at that juncture rather than two. Either way, yes, you call time out.

MusicMan · « **Reply #38 on:** October 05, 2008, 09:52:51 pm »

3rd and 3 at HST 48 (1:05) S.Rosenfels pass short middle to K.Walter to IND 43 for 9 yards (M.Jackson, G.Brackett).
1st and 10 at IND 43 (:51) S.Rosenfels spiked the ball to stop the clock.
2nd and 10 at IND 43 (:50) (Shotgun) S.Rosenfels pass deep left intended for A.Johnson INTERCEPTED by M.Bullitt at IND 22. M.Bullitt to IND 25 for 3 yards (K.Walter).

Indianapolis Colts at 0:42 IND HOU
1st and 10 at IND 25 (:42) P.Manning kneels to IND 24 for -1 yards.
Timeout #2 by HST at 00:38.
2nd and 11 at IND 24 (:38) P.Manning kneels to IND 23 for -1 yards.
Timeout #3 by HST at 00:34.
3rd and 12 at IND 23 (:25) P.Manning kneels to IND 22 for -1 yards.

Astroholic · « **Reply #39 on:** October 06, 2008, 09:02:19 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on October 05, 2008, 09:52:51 pm

3rd and 3 at HST 48 (1:05) S.Rosenfels pass short middle to K.Walter to IND 43 for 9 yards (M.Jackson, G.Brackett).
1st and 10 at IND 43 (:51) S.Rosenfels spiked the ball to stop the clock.
2nd and 10 at IND 43 (:50) (Shotgun) S.Rosenfels pass deep left intended for A.Johnson INTERCEPTED by M.Bullitt at IND 22. M.Bullitt to IND 25 for 3 yards (K.Walter).

Indianapolis Colts at 0:42 IND HOU
1st and 10 at IND 25 (:42) P.Manning kneels to IND 24 for -1 yards.
Timeout #2 by HST at 00:38.
2nd and 11 at IND 24 (:38) P.Manning kneels to IND 23 for -1 yards.
Timeout #3 by HST at 00:34.
3rd and 12 at IND 23 (:25) P.Manning kneels to IND 22 for -1 yards.

After watching that steaming pile of shit, I might have to start watching baseball again. That was the second worst collapse I have ever seen. Thank God the Rockets start in less than a month.

roadrunner · « **Reply #40 on:** October 06, 2008, 09:06:55 am »

Spring Training can't come soon enough. If the Horns can get through OU, then maybe I'll finally stop vomiting from yesterday's mess.

TheWizard · « **Reply #41 on:** October 06, 2008, 09:31:59 am »

I thought that naked bootleg was a great call, considering how they seemingly couldn't get the first ground by running between the tackles. But Backup QB launched himself like an idiot instead of just protecting the ball.

Duman · « **Reply #42 on:** October 06, 2008, 09:46:03 am »

Sage, I watched John Elway. I had him on my fantasy team. You sir are no John Elway.

Limey · « **Reply #43 on:** October 06, 2008, 09:57:34 am »

Quote from: Astroholic on October 06, 2008, 09:02:19 am

Thank God the Rockets start in less than a month.

Biggest indictment of the Texans...ever.

Astroholic · « **Reply #44 on:** October 06, 2008, 09:58:01 am »

Quote from: TheWizard on October 06, 2008, 09:31:59 am

I thought that naked bootleg was a great call, considering how they seemingly couldn't get the first ground by running between the tackles. But Backup QB launched himself like an idiot instead of just protecting the ball.

I appreciated the effort, but it was an extremely dumb play. Slide down, kick the field goal go up by 13 with about 4 minutes to go. Colts only had 1 timeout. They score, then all Texans have to do is kneel on the ball 3 times and game is over.

sporadic · « **Reply #45 on:** October 06, 2008, 09:58:59 am »

By the way...I was ordering a pizza for the Cowboys game and noticed from some Papa John's coupons that they were the official Pizza of the Houston Texans. In the wake of the most recent Texans collapse, I decided to support the franchise by ordering from Papa John's. THAT WAS A MISTAKE. Last time I ever order from them...they lost the pizza 5 minutes from my house.

Limey · « **Reply #46 on:** October 06, 2008, 10:01:14 am »

Can I nominate matadorph for Avatar of the Week?

Astroholic · « **Reply #47 on:** October 06, 2008, 10:02:23 am »

Quote from: Limey on October 06, 2008, 10:01:14 am

Can I nominate matadorph for Avatar of the Week?

Yes, Yes you can.

sporadic · « **Reply #48 on:** October 06, 2008, 10:03:37 am »

Quote from: Limey on October 06, 2008, 10:01:14 am

Can I nominate matadorph for Avatar of the Week?

I have been trying to figure out how to make it the background on my desktop

Limey · « **Reply #49 on:** October 06, 2008, 10:06:45 am »

Quote from: sporadic on October 06, 2008, 10:03:37 am

I have been trying to figure out how to make it the background on my desktop

Right-click and "Set as Background", but it gets a little stretched and blurry.

sporadic · « **Reply #50 on:** October 06, 2008, 10:09:55 am »

Quote from: Limey on October 06, 2008, 10:06:45 am

Right-click and "Set as Background", but it gets a little stretched and blurry.

AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH...reverse beer goggles

BUWebguy · « **Reply #51 on:** October 06, 2008, 10:27:28 am »

Quote from: Bench on October 05, 2008, 03:03:06 pm

Holy shit. I don't think I've ever seen such a sudden (non-Cub) self-destruction.

Does this one count?
http://baylorbears.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/072700aae.html

matadorph · « **Reply #52 on:** October 06, 2008, 11:13:07 am »

The gut pain hasn't subsided today. I still can't believe that happened.

chuck · « **Reply #53 on:** October 06, 2008, 02:12:43 pm »

Quote from: matadorph on October 06, 2008, 11:13:07 am

The gut pain hasn't subsided today. I still can't believe that happened.

As a season ticket holder since inception I can tell you quite cheerfully that for me yesterday's debacle is well within the realm of the credible.

Rebel Jew · « **Reply #54 on:** October 07, 2008, 09:33:09 am »

Quote from: chuck on October 06, 2008, 02:12:43 pm

As a season ticket holder since inception I can tell you quite cheerfully that for me yesterday's debacle is well within the realm of the credible.

anybody remember that game in the oilers last season where they lined up for a game-winning field goal in a tie game and it got blocked and returned the other way for a game-losing touchdown? i think they were playing seattle.

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #55 on:** October 12, 2008, 04:51:14 pm »

Schaub gets it done when it counts (despite eugene wilson's best effort to give us another gut punch).

matadorph · « **Reply #56 on:** October 12, 2008, 05:23:15 pm »

Incredible victory by the Texans! I'm not the type to jump ship, but coming right off Sage's gut kick last week against Indy, that Wilson play was probably my nadir as a fan. I screamed at my TV for him to get the fuck out of bounds or simply go down because I *knew* he'd fumble otherwise. And he did. I was about done with 'em at that point, and then Schaub pulled off a surprising drive. AJ's fourth down catch on a bad pass might have just saved the fate of this franchise (and Kubiak's job). If the Texans had lost today's game because of Wilson's blunder, I don't think the team would recover, and I'm certain fans would've revolted.

hostros7 · « **Reply #57 on:** November 03, 2008, 02:51:07 pm »

Per the radio, Schaub out a month with a torn MCL. No es bueno.

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #58 on:** November 03, 2008, 02:56:52 pm »

Quote from: hostros7 on November 03, 2008, 02:51:07 pm

Per the radio, Schaub out a month with a torn MCL. No es bueno.

I have full faith that Sage will be able to perform well enough to put us in place for a horrific gut punch and the end of the game (cf. helicopter dive at colts game, goal line interception and last series yesterday).

Felt bad for Schaub yesterday - you could tell after the knee got hurt he couldn't put anything on his throws.

JaneDoe · « **Reply #59 on:** November 03, 2008, 03:25:20 pm »

Quote from: BizidyDizidy on November 03, 2008, 02:56:52 pm

I have full faith that Sage will be able to perform well enough to put us in place for a horrific gut punch and the end of the game (cf. helicopter dive at colts game, goal line interception and last series yesterday).

Felt bad for Schaub yesterday - you could tell after the knee got hurt he couldn't put anything on his throws.

And therefore should NOT have been in the game. He should have taken himself out and/or Kubiak should have sat him on the bench. IMO--of course.

(I did not see the game live, was on the road to Kirbyville. However, was listening on the radio and they kept commenting on how he was favoring the leg)

MusicMan · « **Reply #60 on:** November 03, 2008, 03:46:45 pm »

I missed whether he came back in after the INT on the underthrow to Leach, but if he did, then it is (yet another) strike against Kubiak.

WakePhil · « **Reply #61 on:** November 03, 2008, 05:32:44 pm »

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I missed whether he came back in after the INT on the underthrow to Leach, but if he did, then it is (yet another) strike against Kubiak.

Schaub came in for several more drives that quarter, and it resulted in a couple fumbles (one recovered, one lost). He did not look the same, but it wasn't as though he looked terrible. He was still passing frequently and accurately. He was benched because his knee stiffened up during halftime.

I'm sure his knee was bothering him, but that interception was simply a poor throw by Schaub. He threw off his back foot and short armed the throw. He had all the space in the world to throw beyond the wide open Vonta. Even with his knee injury he had displayed more than enough arm strength to get that ball where it should have been.

I think there's fair debate on whether he should have stuck with Schaub considering he made a terrible decision and was limping, but I don't think that one play alone demonstrated that he was too injured to proceed. He made a bad decision, which he's done several times in the red zone. Unfortunately, our backup has proven more likely to make that same mistake.