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Wild Card
« on: September 19, 2008, 08:48:07 am »
Every year there are lots of articles gushing about the wild card and how great the playoff chase is and how the wild card has made it so.  While I've come around on the wild card (since there are three divisions in each league) I think it ought to be pointed out that there is essentially NO playoff race in the SL this year due to the wild card.  The Rays-Red Sox battle, which would otherwise be classic, really doesn't matter.  Barring collapse, one team will win the AL East and one will win the wild card. 

Now, can anyone explain how first round playoff matchups are decided?
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2008, 08:59:16 am »
Now, can anyone explain how first round playoff matchups are decided?

Best record in each league plays Wild Card team in each league unless those two teams are in the same division.  In that case, the team with the best record plays the division winner with the worst record.

This year, there are currently no such conflicts with the teams with the best records and Wild Card teams coming from the same division.

So

Angels (93-59) vs. Wild Card Boston (89-63)
Rays (90-61) vs. White Sox (84-68)

and

Cubs (92-59) vs. Wild Card steM (85-67)
Phillies (86-67) vs. Dodgers (80-73)

No Wild Card team can have home field advantage until the World Series.
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2008, 09:13:41 am »
Best record in each league plays Wild Card team in each league unless those two teams are in the same division.  In that case, the team with the best record plays the division winner with the worst record.

This year, there are currently no such conflicts with the teams with the best records and Wild Card teams coming from the same division.

So

Angels (93-59) vs. Wild Card Boston (89-63)
Rays (90-61) vs. White Sox (84-68)

and

Cubs (92-59) vs. Wild Card steM (85-67)
Phillies (86-67) vs. Dodgers (80-73)

No Wild Card team can have home field advantage until the World Series.


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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2008, 09:22:14 am »
I heard something on XM about Mike Scioscia bitching that it's too easy for the Wild Card.  He thinks they should have the toughest road to the WS.  He suggested that the Wild Card winner only get to play 1 home game in the opening series.

Personally, I think it's stupid, especially since the Wild Card team is often better than the weakest division leader.  The current system works just fine.
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2008, 09:27:06 am »
I heard something on XM about Mike Scioscia bitching that it's too easy for the Wild Card.  He thinks they should have the toughest road to the WS.  He suggested that the Wild Card winner only get to play 1 home game in the opening series.

Personally, I think it's stupid, especially since the Wild Card team is often better than the weakest division leader.  The current system works just fine.

I heard a suggestion once that would have the top 2 non div winners in each league play a game (or best 2 out of 3) to "advance" to the playoffs.  Kind of like the play in game for the NCAA tournament.  While I think that would be kind of fun, I fear you're inching closer and closer to the NBA/NHL marathon playoffs where the reg season almost doesn't matter.
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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2008, 09:36:29 am »
I heard something on XM about Mike Scioscia bitching that it's too easy for the Wild Card.  He thinks they should have the toughest road to the WS.  He suggested that the Wild Card winner only get to play 1 home game in the opening series.

Personally, I think it's stupid, especially since the Wild Card team is often better than the weakest division leader.  The current system works just fine.

With his rule, the Angels probably don't have a World Series ring.

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Re: Wild Card
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2008, 11:01:48 am »
What is the rationale behind same division teams not playing in the league division series?  Isn't MLB the only sport of the Big 3 still adhering to that guideline?  I don't think the NHL does, either, though I don't follow the puck too closely. 
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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2008, 11:02:08 am »
No Wild Card team can have home field advantage until the World Series.

Which in and of itself demonstrates what a braindead tool Selig is. The wild card team is disadvantaged in every round until the most important one, the World Series, when it can have home-field advantage because its league's team won the All-Star Game. After what happened earlier this week, my hatred for Selig has grown almost indescribable.
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2008, 06:19:59 pm »
Which in and of itself demonstrates what a braindead tool Selig is. The wild card team is disadvantaged in every round until the most important one, the World Series, when it can have home-field advantage because its league's team won the All-Star Game. After what happened earlier this week, my hatred for Selig has grown almost indescribable.

I agree with everything you said.  However, it is entirely possible for the WS to be contested by two wild card teams, which means that Bud would have to pick a neutral venue for the games.  And we know how good he is at that!
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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2008, 06:45:08 pm »
I agree with everything you said.  However, it is entirely possible for the WS to be contested by two wild card teams, which means that Bud would have to pick a neutral venue for the games.  And we know how good he is at that!

I hear Milwaukee is lovely in October; and that seems to be the only way anyone in the nation will ever find out.
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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2008, 07:42:51 pm »
Which in and of itself demonstrates what a braindead tool Selig is. The wild card team is disadvantaged in every round until the most important one, the World Series, when it can have home-field advantage because its league's team won the All-Star Game. After what happened earlier this week, my hatred for Selig has grown almost indescribable.

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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2008, 08:58:41 pm »
I agree with everything you said.  However, it is entirely possible for the WS to be contested by two wild card teams, which means that Bud would have to pick a neutral venue Milwaukee for the games.

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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2008, 07:51:18 am »
I hear Milwaukee is lovely in October; and that seems to be the only way anyone in the nation will ever find out.
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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2008, 08:32:02 am »
ESPN on how the Astros have "lashed out"

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3601868

Does anyone think that Selig will be stupid enough to ever set foot in MMPUS again?  Dragging his arse back here for a World Series would be a great motivator, so that the team can sit back and enjoy the 15-minutes of hate that Bud will receive from the fans when he's announced.  And it'd be on TV too.
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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2008, 09:10:25 am »
ESPN on how the Astros have "lashed out"

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3601868

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« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2008, 09:34:44 am »
" it doesn't sound like they'll be ready to move on any time soon."

That's the problem, right there.
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« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2008, 09:39:06 am »
Does anyone think that Selig will be stupid enough to ever set foot in MMPUS again?  Dragging his arse back here for a World Series would be a great motivator, so that the team can sit back and enjoy the 15-minutes of hate that Bud will receive from the fans when he's announced.  And it'd be on TV too.

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« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2008, 10:45:31 am »
Arky: You have brought me around regarding Sel-Pig. I hate him now too.

I admit to being biased in that I never liked him, but the grievances have stacked up over the years.

And in response to the neutral-site debacle last week, I'm absolutely delighted that the Brewers are now on the outs for the wild card, even if it benefits the Mets.

More importantly, more than any other time in my life as a baseball fan, as cosmic retribution for the asses their players and fans have made of themselves generally and against the Astros in particular this season, I wish to see the Cubs lose in the most humiliating, dejecting fashion possible in the NLCS.

My preference would be for the Cubs to easily go up 3-0 in the first three games.

Then, in game 4 on the road, the Cubs strand 27 runners through the ninth and go deep into extra innings, at least to the 14th or 15th. The Cubs keep taking leads in the top of the inning, only to surrender them in the bottom of the inning. The Cubs finally take a commanding three-run lead in the top of the 16th. In the bottom of the inning, with two outs, the opposing team loads the bases on an error, a hit batsmen and an infield single. On an 0-2 count, a walk-off upper-deck grand slam by the back-up shortstop with zero career home runs ends it, sending the series back to Chicago.

The Cubs lose game 5 at home. Envision your own form of trainwreck for that game.

Game 6 is similar to game 4, with the Cubs stranding a ton of runners, taking repeated leads that evaporate in extra innings and taking a three-run edge in the top of the 17th. Instead of a walk-off grand slam, however, this time the opposing team, with two outs, hits back-to-back-to-back-to-back solo shots, with the final homer being hit by a relief pitcher who has to bat for himself because no one is left on the bench. This one just barely clears the fence, aided by a bounce off Soriano's head.

For game 7, my bloodthirst will only be fully quenched if the Cubs, behind by one run in the bottom of the ninth, load the bases with no outs. A line drive into right field looks sure to score the runners on second and third and send the Cubs to the World Series. Then, while celebrating like asses on the basepaths before crossing the plate, the runner coming from second trips up the runner coming from third. They land in a pile a few feet from the plate, their faces in each other's crotches. The right fielder fires a bullet to the catcher, who tags them both out. The catcher then nails the runner coming from first at third for a triple play.

As epilogue, the batter, watching all of this, loses his footing, tripping over second and doing a face plant and taking a mouthful of infield dirt, a clump of sunflower seed shells held together by saliva and a spat-out juicy lump of tobacco.
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« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2008, 10:55:59 am »
There's not much to improve on there, but I'd like to make one little suggestion: it would probably be appropriate to hope for a 100-year monsoon to camp over Wrigley prior to game 7, rendering the field unplayable for weeks and forcing the final game to be moved to, say, Milwaukee.
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« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2008, 10:59:05 am »
I'm afraid in that scenario Bud would bend over backwards to make sure the Chicago organization would have its way. 
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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2008, 11:05:06 am »
There's not much to improve on there, but I'd like to make one little suggestion: it would probably be appropriate to hope for a 100-year monsoon to camp over Wrigley prior to game 7, rendering the field unplayable for weeks and forcing the final game to be moved to, say, Milwaukee.

No, that would be fine for them.  Move it to, say, Anaheim, Pittsburgh, or Yankee Stadium.
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« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2008, 11:07:52 am »
No, that would be fine for them.  Move it to, say, Anaheim, Pittsburgh, or Yankee Stadium.

Busch Stadium. But my preference would be right in front of the maximum number of Cubs fans. Perhaps a few could get struck by lightning.

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« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2008, 11:08:07 am »
No, that would be fine for them.  Move it to, say, Anaheim, Pittsburgh, or Yankee Stadium.

Or Houston. We've got a roof!
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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2008, 11:22:45 am »
Wow, remind me never to get on Arky's bad side!

I admit to being biased in that I never liked him, but the grievances have stacked up over the years.

And in response to the neutral-site debacle last week, I'm absolutely delighted that the Brewers are now on the outs for the wild card, even if it benefits the Mets.

More importantly, more than any other time in my life as a baseball fan, as cosmic retribution for the asses their players and fans have made of themselves generally and against the Astros in particular this season, I wish to see the Cubs lose in the most humiliating, dejecting fashion possible in the NLCS.

My preference would be for the Cubs to easily go up 3-0 in the first three games.

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The Cubs lose game 5 at home. Envision your own form of trainwreck for that game.

Game 6 is similar to game 4, with the Cubs stranding a ton of runners, taking repeated leads that evaporate in extra innings and taking a three-run edge in the top of the 17th. Instead of a walk-off grand slam, however, this time the opposing team, with two outs, hits back-to-back-to-back-to-back solo shots, with the final homer being hit by a relief pitcher who has to bat for himself because no one is left on the bench. This one just barely clears the fence, aided by a bounce off Soriano's head.

For game 7, my bloodthirst will only be fully quenched if the Cubs, behind by one run in the bottom of the ninth, load the bases with no outs. A line drive into right field looks sure to score the runners on second and third and send the Cubs to the World Series. Then, while celebrating like asses on the basepaths before crossing the plate, the runner coming from second trips up the runner coming from third. They land in a pile a few feet from the plate, their faces in each other's crotches. The right fielder fires a bullet to the catcher, who tags them both out. The catcher then nails the runner coming from first at third for a triple play.

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« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2008, 11:32:07 am »
There's not much to improve on there, but I'd like to make one little suggestion: it would probably be appropriate to hope for a 100-year monsoon to camp over Wrigley prior to game 7, rendering the field unplayable for weeks and forcing the final game to be moved to, say, Milwaukee.

Make 'em play on the southside.
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« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2008, 11:56:34 am »
Make 'em play on the southside.

And have a stadium giveaway of circular saw blades and javelins.

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« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2008, 10:40:15 pm »
With losses by the Mets, Marlins and Cardinals tonight, and a win by the Phillies, here are where things stand in the NL:

Divisions:
Cubs have clinched the Central.
Phillies magic number is 4 in the East.
Dodgers magic number is 5 in the West.

Wild Card:
Mets (86/70): 3 vs. Cubs; 3 vs. Marlins. 
Brewers (85/71): 3 vs. Pirates; 3 vs. Cubs.  Elimination number = 6
Astros (82/73): 3 vs. Reds; 3 vs. Braves; 1 vs. Cubs.  Elimination number = 4
Marlins (81/75): 3 at Nationals; 3 at Mets.  Elimination number = 2
Cardinals (80/76): 3 vs. Diamondbacks; 3 vs. Reds.  Elimination number = 1
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« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2008, 10:53:47 pm »
And have a stadium giveaway of circular saw blades and javelins.

Sounds like you've got the perfect scenario for a Mad Max 4 in mind, AV. 
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« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2008, 09:29:55 am »
With losses by the Mets, Marlins and Cardinals tonight, and a win by the Phillies, here are where things stand in the NL:

Divisions:
Cubs have clinched the Central.
Phillies magic number is 4 in the East.
Dodgers magic number is 5 in the West.

Wild Card:
Mets (86/70): 3 vs. Cubs; 3 vs. Marlins. 
Brewers (85/71): 3 vs. Pirates; 3 vs. Cubs.  Elimination number = 6
Astros (82/73): 3 vs. Reds; 3 vs. Braves; 1 vs. Cubs.  Elimination number = 4
Marlins (81/75): 3 at Nationals; 3 at Mets.  Elimination number = 2
Cardinals (80/76): 3 vs. Diamondbacks; 3 vs. Reds.  Elimination number = 1

I feel dirty wanting the Cubs to win.  Fuck them anyway.

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« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2008, 09:56:37 am »
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« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2008, 10:13:09 am »
I feel dirty wanting the Cubs to win.  Fuck them anyway.

I hope they win every game they play between now and game 4 of the NLCS. Then I hope they go on a four-game losing streak by eating the biggest shitburger in history.

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« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2008, 01:41:17 pm »
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