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« on: June 20, 2008, 08:37:52 am »
I've had a hate relationship with golf for the last ten or so years, but have for whatever reason begun to sort of like (not love) it again and have played the last four or five weeks.  Maybe it helps get my mind off of the wretchedness that is your 2008 Houston Astros.  Anyway, any of you fellow TZ types interested in getting together to spray it and play it?  Yeah, I know the point was made by someone that golfers are overlooked as athletes, etc. but I find the sport compelling due to the hard fact that you can play it while enjoying motorized travel about the grounds with iced down beer within reach. 

I'm in Austin if anyone's interested.  In golf.
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2008, 09:07:49 am »
I've had a hate relationship with golf for the last ten or so years, but have for whatever reason begun to sort of like (not love) it again and have played the last four or five weeks.  Maybe it helps get my mind off of the wretchedness that is your 2008 Houston Astros.  Anyway, any of you fellow TZ types interested in getting together to spray it and play it?  Yeah, I know the point was made by someone that golfers are overlooked as athletes, etc. but I find the sport compelling due to the hard fact that you can play it while enjoying motorized travel about the grounds with iced down beer within reach. 

I'm in Austin if anyone's interested.  In golf.

I play almost every weekend at Teravista (Round Rock) and usually am scrambling on Friday to fill out the foursome.  We should probably get a running list of those interested in Austin going.  When one of us has a tee time, we can check with those here to see who is interested in joining.

I'm out this weekend, but do have 2 spots left next Sunday morning (June 29) for anyone interested.
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2008, 09:36:06 am »
I've had a hate relationship with golf for the last ten or so years, but have for whatever reason begun to sort of like (not love) it again and have played the last four or five weeks.  Maybe it helps get my mind off of the wretchedness that is your 2008 Houston Astros.  Anyway, any of you fellow TZ types interested in getting together to spray it and play it?  Yeah, I know the point was made by someone that golfers are overlooked as athletes, etc. but I find the sport compelling due to the hard fact that you can play it while enjoying motorized travel about the grounds with iced down beer within reach. 

I'm in Austin if anyone's interested.  In golf.

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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2008, 10:08:07 am »
I'm a golf junkie, and would play every day if I could.  I usually only get to play once a week, which sucks.  I'm in Houston too, which means that the logistics of joining an Austin-based foursome will be mostly prohibitive.
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2008, 10:19:42 am »
I'm a golf junkie, and would play every day if I could.  I usually only get to play once a week, which sucks.  I'm in Houston too, which means that the logistics of joining an Austin-based foursome will be mostly prohibitive.

North or South side of town?

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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2008, 11:16:34 am »
I play almost every weekend at Teravista (Round Rock) and usually am scrambling on Friday to fill out the foursome.  We should probably get a running list of those interested in Austin going.  When one of us has a tee time, we can check with those here to see who is interested in joining.

I'm out this weekend, but do have 2 spots left next Sunday morning (June 29) for anyone interested.

I'll be out of town on the 29th but would otherwise be interested.  I've been playing over at Bluebonnet because you can usually get around in four hours and the price is nice. 
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2008, 12:30:08 pm »
I'll be out of town on the 29th but would otherwise be interested.  I've been playing over at Bluebonnet because you can usually get around in four hours and the price is nice. 

I  have played Teravista but like Star Ranch, in Hutto/Pflugerville.  TB, I'm curious what you think of Bluebonnet Hill?  I've been tempted to play it, and think a friend of mine took me out there to play once about 8 yrs ago but I'm not certain. 

Unfortunately I don't get to play much and my score shows it.  So unless you guys can tolerate a hacker, I'm out.

edited to correct myself, I have not played Teravista, I played Avery Ranch.  Curious about any feedback on either course mentioned (Bluebonnet and Teravista). 
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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2008, 02:18:43 pm »
North or South side of town?

I play at Hearthstone, which is virtually east Austin anyway.
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2008, 03:29:08 pm »
I play at Hearthstone, which is virtually east Austin anyway.

That's pretty close to where I grew up. My freshman roommate in college, who grew up inside the Loop, couldn't believe I lived so far "out in the boonies." He didn't consider it Houston.
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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2008, 03:38:40 pm »
That's pretty close to where I grew up. My freshman roommate in college, who grew up inside the Loop, couldn't believe I lived so far "out in the boonies." He didn't consider it Houston.

To be technical, I'm not sure it is.  Harris Co., outside the city limit.
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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2008, 03:40:18 pm »
That's pretty close to where I grew up. My freshman roommate in college, who grew up inside the Loop, couldn't believe I lived so far "out in the boonies." He didn't consider it Houston.

That's because it's Hockley.

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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2008, 03:40:26 pm »
I played Teravista a couple of weeks ago. I liked it OK. I would have liked it a lot better if I'd been able to hit my driver. I putted great. My driver's great now and I've totally lost my putting stroke, the one thing I thought I'd never lose.

I don't know whether PGA golfers are athletes or not or what, but they sure as hell are very, very good at an awful lot of things that are fucking hard to do.
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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2008, 04:00:29 pm »
I play at Hearthstone, which is virtually east Austin anyway.

How long have you been there?  My attorney was a member there for years...

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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2008, 04:32:15 pm »
I  have played Teravista but like Star Ranch, in Hutto/Pflugerville.  TB, I'm curious what you think of Bluebonnet Hill?  I've been tempted to play it, and think a friend of mine took me out there to play once about 8 yrs ago but I'm not certain. 

Unfortunately I don't get to play much and my score shows it.  So unless you guys can tolerate a hacker, I'm out.

edited to correct myself, I have not played Teravista, I played Avery Ranch.  Curious about any feedback on either course mentioned (Bluebonnet and Teravista). 


Bluebonnet is a links style course.  Greens are always in good shape.  Wind is usually up and makes your shot selection critical.  I like it because you can usually get around in four hours, it's not an arm and a leg, and the course doesn't beat you up.  If you're an amateur, there's a lot to like about that.

I played a great course, The Falls in New Ulm, on Wednesday.  Not a place to be if you're having trouble keeping it in the short grass.
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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2008, 04:39:20 pm »
I played a great course, The Falls in New Ulm, on Wednesday.  Not a place to be if you're having trouble keeping it in the short grass.

My Dad and I played that course a few years ago (wow, more like 15 years ago, now that I think about it) and really enjoyed it. But you're right: it will punish you if you stray.
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« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2008, 06:06:15 pm »
I've had a hate relationship with golf for the last ten or so years, but have for whatever reason begun to sort of like (not love) it again and have played the last four or five weeks.  Maybe it helps get my mind off of the wretchedness that is your 2008 Houston Astros.  Anyway, any of you fellow TZ types interested in getting together to spray it and play it?  Yeah, I know the point was made by someone that golfers are overlooked as athletes, etc. but I find the sport compelling due to the hard fact that you can play it while enjoying motorized travel about the grounds with iced down beer within reach. 

I'm in Austin if anyone's interested.  In golf.

I'm interested, but I haven't played in a while. I'll need to get out and practice a little bit first.
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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2008, 07:44:44 pm »

edited to correct myself, I have not played Teravista, I played Avery Ranch.  Curious about any feedback on either course mentioned (Bluebonnet and Teravista). 


I've played about every course in and aroud Austin, and Teravista is my favorite of the public ones.  It's a flexible course depending on your skill level.  Very tough from the tips, and very playable from the forward tees.  Thats a good mix that not many can pull off.  This is a high quality course.

Avery can be tough and slow and doesn't offer much in terms of website discounts.  They also apparently pay their employees by how rude they're able to be.  They love their Dennis Quaid tourney and get the course in great shape before it.  My experience, though, is that they then let it go to hell for the rest of the year.

Big fan of Bluebonnet.  Quite cheap and easy to get on, but not the same quality as TV or Avery.  Also very laid back.  Not uncommon to see golfers out in blue jeans.  Very hacker friendly!  One of my favorite memories is playing with a couple of farmers who had apparently just picked up their first (they shared) set of clubs from the flea market.  One had convinced himself that he could only hit the driver off the tee box and (despite my warnings) used it on #5, the first par 3.   Despite having chunked and rolled his first 4 drives of the day about 70 yards max, he of course absolutely tags it this time.  Must have cleared the green by at least 100 yards.  Admired it the whole way.  We laughed our asses off all day with these guys. 
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« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2008, 10:23:28 pm »
Thanks for the feedback.  With young kids, I am usually lacking time to play.  But I do enjoy playing and while my score is usually in the mid 90's, I'm not bad off the tee, keeping it straight down the fairway except for one or two errant shots, and am okay in the fairway.  My shortgame is awful and while I used to avoid the three putt for the most part, am anything but consistent.  Oh, and I seem to have developed a block on my putt and push everything right.  I definitely need to practice but the nearest range has ripped up their putting green, for whatever reason, and re-seeded in mid-May (my understanding is that should have happened some time around late February to early March... but what do I know. 

I just may have to stray down to Bluebonnet, as it seems real friendly.  Unfortunately, I have to agree on Avery Ranch.  I found them to be quite proud of their course and not so happy to have you play on it.  Blackhawk is a cross between those two, having rude employees but incredibly cheap fees and friendly players.  The only thing challenging about the course is the cracks in the ground.  Although I haven't been back since they came under new mgmt and have been told it's improved the course from regular maintenance alone. 

Rumor has it, they are about to build another course in the area around Teravista, Star Ranch, and Blackhawk.  130 and Pfluger Ln is the rumor...
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« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2008, 09:17:56 am »
How long have you been there?  My attorney was a member there for years...

About three years now, I think.
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« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2008, 09:20:55 am »
I played a great course, The Falls in New Ulm, on Wednesday.  Not a place to be if you're having trouble keeping it in the short grass.

We play our annual "Rudder Cup" at The Falls.  It works perfectly for us as it's a two-day event and, while it's a reasonable drive from Houston, it's far enough to justify staying over.  They always do a great job, the food there is unexpectedly good, and this year they provided us with a hot bartender.

Great course, but I would nuke #6 and #7 if I could.
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« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2008, 11:23:56 am »
I played the Falls once on what began as a beautiful and mild January day, in typical shorts and short sleeves weather.  As we reached #10, Yahweh flipped the fucking thermostat and a blue norther of motherfucking proportions hit us square in the nut sack.  My bastard cart partner threw down the entire contents of my reserve flask of scotch (something for which I've never forgiven him) and it was a death march the rest of the way.
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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2008, 12:21:17 pm »
I played the Falls once on what began as a beautiful and mild January day, in typical shorts and short sleeves weather.  As we reached #10, Yahweh flipped the fucking thermostat and a blue norther of motherfucking proportions hit us square in the nut sack.  My bastard cart partner threw down the entire contents of my reserve flask of scotch (something for which I've never forgiven him) and it was a death march the rest of the way.

That must have been the same day that some friends and I were playing out at Pine Forest outside Bastrop. We started out on a nice enough day, but as we came up to the second green we could see a storm blowing in. And it came fast, because by the time we got up to the third tee we were in a hurricane. The third is probably about 175 yards, but we were straight into the wind. All of us hit 3-woods and came up short. Two holes later, the storm was long gone and we had a beautiful day of golf.

Except for the 11th green, which was under attack by gophers or something.
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« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2008, 01:16:34 pm »
I played the Falls once on what began as a beautiful and mild January day, in typical shorts and short sleeves weather.  As we reached #10, Yahweh flipped the fucking thermostat and a blue norther of motherfucking proportions hit us square in the nut sack.  My bastard cart partner threw down the entire contents of my reserve flask of scotch (something for which I've never forgiven him) and it was a death march the rest of the way.

Day #2 of this year's Rudder Cup was played in changeable weather.  There was only one true downpour, but it gave us a little reminder every once in a while.  My opponent kept bitching that we were playing in such terrible weather, so I made sure I walked onto the tee box as soon as we drove up.  Don't know if the mind-games helped, but I beat him 2 & 1. 
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« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2008, 06:38:42 pm »
TB, I'm curious what you think of Bluebonnet Hill?  I've been tempted to play it, and think a friend of mine took me out there to play once about 8 yrs ago but I'm not certain. 

Curious about any feedback on either course mentioned (Bluebonnet and Teravista). 


I'm not Bulba, but I've seen guys like him on tv.

I genuinely love golf at Bluebonnet.  In the winter months you can take a fifth with you and almost believe you're in Scotland....or am I confusing the Southwyck experience with my previous Bluebonnet outings?  Southwyck prior to the invasion of homes, was a terrific way to spend a fall or winter afternoon golfing in the greater Houston area.

My single greatest score of all time was at Bluebonnet, so I'm a bit partial to it.
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« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2008, 04:13:41 pm »
I'm not Bulba, but I've seen guys like him on tv.

I genuinely love golf at Bluebonnet.  In the winter months you can take a fifth with you and almost believe you're in Scotland....or am I confusing the Southwyck experience with my previous Bluebonnet outings?  Southwyck prior to the invasion of homes, was a terrific way to spend a fall or winter afternoon golfing in the greater Houston area.

My single greatest score of all time was at Bluebonnet, so I'm a bit partial to it.

There was a horse standing just across the barbed wire fence next to the tee box on #15 yesterday sporting an enormous erection.  He neighed and carried on the entire time we were teeing off and seemed to enjoy my dogshit drive into the fairway bunker.  I never once thought of Scotland. 
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« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2008, 04:50:04 pm »
There was a horse standing just across the barbed wire fence next to the tee box on #15 yesterday sporting an enormous erection.  He neighed and carried on the entire time we were teeing off and seemed to enjoy my dogshit drive into the fairway bunker.  I never once thought of Scotland. 


He was probably warning any neigh-boring horses downrange to duck and cover. In the equine language, he was bellowing "Fore ... skin!"

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« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2008, 03:47:04 pm »
I've had a hate relationship with golf for the last ten or so years, but have for whatever reason begun to sort of like (not love) it again and have played the last four or five weeks.

I just finished a great golf book. It is a personal account of this writer's return to golf after a 25 year layoff. Maybe you can relate. I found it hilarious. Its called "A Downhill Lie" by Carl Hiaasen. Link.

He typically writes novels and contributes to the Miami Hearld. I have read most of his fiction which is also very funny. Great satirist. The books are crime/mystery type deals with an environmental kick, and all set in South Florida.

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« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2008, 04:23:55 pm »
I just finished a great golf book. It is a personal account of this writer's return to golf after a 25 year layoff. Maybe you can relate. I found it hilarious. Its called "A Downhill Lie" by Carl Hiaasen. Link.

He typically writes novels and contributes to the Miami Hearld. I have read most of his fiction which is also very funny. Great satirist. The books are crime/mystery type deals with an environmental kick, and all set in South Florida.

Sounds like a good read.  I've always been partial to the Dan Jenkins school of golf.
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« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2008, 04:53:34 pm »
Sounds like a good read.  I've always been partial to the Dan Jenkins school of golf.

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« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2008, 08:46:00 am »
For money whipped, steer job, three jack, give up artists?

"Goat Hills" is hard to top.  Even easier to appreciate if you can't putt for shit.
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« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2008, 09:12:44 am »
"Goat Hills" is hard to top.  Even easier to appreciate if you can't putt for shit.

One of my regular 4 has endless troubles with the putter.  Shame, because from tee to green he is as solid as anyone I know, and hits irons like a brute.  So he had a lesson on putting, and now he's lucky to hit the green...from the green.

I've never really had trouble putting nor reading greens.  I prefer fast over slow and downhillers don't phase me at all.  I love the look on the other guy's face when I roll in a downhill slider from 15 feet.  The Odyssey two-ball putter helps a lot, because of its incredibly soft feel, which lets you stroke any putt from any distance with confidence.  Of course, last Sunday, I took a short bunker shot and flew it over the green and into the lake on the far side.  The Golf Gods giveth...
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« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2008, 09:34:30 am »
Awful putter, here.  I hit a nice drive on a par five Saturday, followed by a career 2 wood shot off the carpet that lipped out for a double eagle, rolling about 4 foot past the pin.  Naturally, I made a sickly jab on the eagle putt, completely missing the hole.  My playing partner had the good sense and decency to not speak or even look in my direction for a couple of holes.

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« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2008, 09:42:45 am »
...even easier to appreciate if you can't putt for shit.

Is there any consistent pattern to your missing?  Some putters are designed to help overcome particular kinds of challenges.  They've got so many dad gum putters now it's not funny.  Conventional, elongated, offset, blade, belly, mallet, round?

You probably just need to dedicate a couple of weeks to hanging on the greens and practicing five footers from all around the hole to the point you're banging them in, each time going through a routine that gets you confident in your stroke....i.e., trusting your stuff.

Short of a lesson, you might try chatting up the pro or the salesman at Golfsmith or Academy to figure out if they recommend a putter for "a friend" who's constantly missing right (or left), short (or long), badly/barely, whatever.  Of course, most of them will probably reply, "I'd have to see how your friend putts," at which time you might be forced to make A COMMITMENT!

If none of that helps, you could always try putting from the opposite side (right versus left) or just throw your hands up in despair and try something desperate, like the Moises Alou route on them...see if that helps any.

Oh, and at least you had a putt for eagle.  I can count on one finger the number of times that's been the case for me; my tee game is sneaky short.
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« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2008, 09:56:28 am »
You probably just need to dedicate a couple of weeks to hanging on the greens and practicing five footers from all around the hole to the point you're banging them in, each time going through a routine that gets you confident in your stroke....i.e., trusting your stuff.

My club has a few half-sized holes on the practice green.  I rarely practice putting (or anything, for that matter), but if I do I use these smaller holes.  I start by putting from 1 foot until I make 2 in a row.  Then I move to 2 feet, and do the same.  then 3 feet, et. etc.  Once you hit the course proper, the actual cup looks like a manhole.

FWIW, I think this is a good drill regardless of the size of the hole.

I also agree that because putting is so personal, trying out the myriad of putters available is a tedious, but worthwhile exercise.  Who knows, there may be one out there that would make me better, and I think I do alright now!

ETA:  With the half-sized holes, it looks like the ball will barely fit in.  One of the things you learn from using them is that the ball will go into the hole, at pace, even the small ones, if it's on line.  That gives me the confidence to stroke all my putts to the hole (actually, the intent is to hit the ball a foot-and-a-half past it) which means the ball always has a chance to go in and the putt itself is a positive stroke, not a timid waft at the ball.

Them's my tips:  soft-faced putter; and hit the fucking putt.

Also, if you always go past the hole if you miss, you have a chance to see how the break goes on the other side.  That makes the come-backer a lot easier.  If you come up short, you're still putting in uncharted territory.  I'd rather be 5 feet past than 2 feet short.
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« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2008, 10:16:51 am »
I used to wonder who adopted the smaller hole concept from whom, was it golf from basketball or basketball from golf?  Our high school basketball coach was having us practice with the tiny rim within a rim back in the early 70's, primarily to gauge who his best rebounders were and who needed more work in that area.

That's a great concept for golf, too, though you don't want to have to rebound missed putts, obviously; you want the bastards to sink.  I practice putting to a tee, which makes the hole seem enormous by comparison. 

All that said, some days the yips just hang out with ya', and you have to fight through them.  "Gotta think positive, dude."
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« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2008, 10:21:03 am »
My greatest putting tip came from playing Tiger Woods golf sims.  I _NEVER_ aim for the hole.  I always start with a target 9 inches past the hole and then move it based on break.  My practice swings (which I take while focused on the target, not looking down), setup/aim and final glance are all at this target.  You have to retrain yourself not to look at the hole on that final glance because if you do, yet your aimed at your target, you'll push or pull every time.

The two-ball made a big difference in my consistancy, though the visual gimic was only valuable (to me) for about a month.  Now its just the size and feel of that putter that I'm comfortable with.

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« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2008, 10:27:26 am »
My greatest putting tip came from playing Tiger Woods golf sims.  I _NEVER_ aim for the hole.  I always start with a target 9 inches past the hole and then move it based on break.  My practice swings (which I take while focused on the target, not looking down), setup/aim and final glance are all at this target.  You have to retrain yourself not to look at the hole on that final glance because if you do, yet your aimed at your target, you'll push or pull every time.

The two-ball made a big difference in my consistancy, though the visual gimic was only valuable (to me) for about a month.  Now its just the size and feel of that putter that I'm comfortable with.



I agree on the target thing, although I don't strictly putt to a target.  I visualise (and attack) the arc of the putt, and then pick a point on the ground nearby over which (or above or below) the ball has to go to be on line.  Then it's all about the pace of the putt; if I get that right, it goes in.  However, once I've selected my aiming point, I almost never look again at the cup.  If I do, it's typically to remind myself that I have to hit the putt.

Oh, and on Tiger Woods Golf, I always did exactly the same as you.  If you putt to the suggested distance, it almost always comes up short.  Just like in real life.
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« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2008, 10:38:12 am »
All that said, some days the yips just hang out with ya', and you have to fight through them.  "Gotta think positive, dude."

That makes putting the same as every other aspect of golf.  Such a mindset helps, I think.

Maybe it's a bit like pitching, in that once you let go of the ball there's nothing more you can do.  I think too many people (my buddy included) try to micro-manage putting when all you're really doing is hitting the ball towards the hole.  That's the same as what you're doing when you tee off, and when you smoke a fairway wood onto a par 5 in 2.  Make a good swing and you'll be fine.  Make a bad swing, and then deal with the consequences.

On the green, the consequences are typically a lot less damaging than a ball out of bounds or under water.  For this reason, I don't understand the terror that putting instills in many people.

Maybe I'm usually still drunk from the night before...
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« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2008, 11:32:23 am »
"Goat Hills" is hard to top.  Even easier to appreciate if you can't putt for shit.

I just read a book by Bob Rotella called "Putting out of your mind".  He talks about Wild Bill Mehlhorn's putting.  On a par 4 he hits a tremendous drive.  Hits his approach to 2' and then hits his fourth shot out of the bunker.

Rotella's basic concept is to put to a target and not worry about the outcome of the shot.

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« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2008, 05:01:12 pm »
Appreciate all the putting input--well done.  I realize that to enjoy the game, i'm going to have to make a friend of the short game.  In that regard, thinking about a few lessons strictly on putting and chipping.

That said, it might be a lot of fun to have both some Austin and Houston SnS golf outings.  I had forgotten the joy it is to play a sport where you can drink beer both before and after each errant shot.
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« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2008, 05:06:30 pm »
Best school in the state is right there in Austin, which I'm sure you already know.
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« Reply #41 on: June 24, 2008, 06:17:43 pm »
That said, it might be a lot of fun to have both some Austin and Houston SnS golf outings.  I had forgotten the joy it is to play a sport where you can drink beer both before and after each errant shot.

I love playing golf in Austin, as the elevation changes is a refreshing change from Houston's flatlands.  We could maybe do a Spring and Autumn event, one in Houston, one in Austin.
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« Reply #42 on: June 24, 2008, 09:22:42 pm »
Best school in the state is right there in Austin, which I'm sure you already know.

I'm sure you're referring to Harvey Penick, but I would highly recommend the Academy of Golf Dynamics in Lakeway, run by Fred Funk's teacher, Bill Moretti.
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« Reply #43 on: June 24, 2008, 09:26:37 pm »
I love playing golf in Austin, as the elevation changes is a refreshing change from Houston's flatlands.  We could maybe do a Spring and Autumn event, one in Houston, one in Austin.

I grew up playing all of the Conroe area courses (Bentwater was our "home course") and was glad to get away from the tunnel effect of the 80' pine trees.  Although, my years of mastering play off of pine needles has gone to waste.
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« Reply #44 on: June 24, 2008, 09:49:14 pm »
I grew up playing all of the Conroe area courses (Bentwater was our "home course") and was glad to get away from the tunnel effect of the 80' pine trees.  Although, my years of mastering play off of pine needles has gone to waste.

I used to play at Cypresswoods a lot.  A low hook/slice of the pine needles is now embedded in my sub-conscience.
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« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2008, 10:12:25 pm »
I used the Limey Method for finding a spot behind the hole today (enough with the jokes already) and sank a 40-footer.
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« Reply #46 on: June 24, 2008, 10:36:25 pm »
I used the Limey Method for finding a spot behind the hole today (enough with the jokes already) and sank a 40-footer.

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« Reply #47 on: June 24, 2008, 11:08:46 pm »
I'll look for your cheque in my mailbox.

Yeah, well, I don't write cheques.
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« Reply #48 on: June 25, 2008, 09:30:34 am »
I'm sure you're referring to Harvey Penick, but I would highly recommend the Academy of Golf Dynamics in Lakeway, run by Fred Funk's teacher, Bill Moretti.

No, Lurch, I was referring to the latter.  That was the best three days I've ever spent around golf.  I could go Noe on you guys and type up four pages of instruction and experience I learned during that school.  Alas, I'll save that effort for something truly irrelevant, such as wannabe sports broadcaster college chicks warming up to future NBA stars during YouTube interviews.
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« Reply #49 on: June 25, 2008, 09:41:17 am »
I grew up playing all of the Conroe area courses (Bentwater was our "home course") and was glad to get away from the tunnel effect of the 80' pine trees.  Although, my years of mastering play off of pine needles has gone to waste.

I play at Walden on Lake Conroe...makes Bentwater look like a driving range.

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« Reply #50 on: June 25, 2008, 09:45:25 am »
I used to play at Cypresswoods a lot.  A low hook/slice of the pine needles is now embedded in my sub-conscience.

I was a Ron's Pub Cypresswooder for a couple of years, back when that was the primary course of choice for the weekly groupings.  Good times!

They tell me the Ron's Pubbers play all over town now, as the groupg has exploded into thirty or forty guys every week....a true force that courses beg to play.  Impressive. 
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« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2008, 10:09:44 am »
I was a Ron's Pub Cypresswooder for a couple of years, back when that was the primary course of choice for the weekly groupings.  Good times!

They tell me the Ron's Pubbers play all over town now, as the groupg has exploded into thirty or forty guys every week....a true force that courses beg to play.  Impressive. 

I'm sure the beer sales are worth giving them a free round.

ETA:  Ron's is a weird place these days, with the smoking ban.  Everyone is outside, crammed onto the little patio they've created.  Still stinks inside, just not as bad (and nowhere near as bad as the Richmond Arms).
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« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2008, 01:48:05 pm »
I'm sure you're referring to Harvey Penick, but I would highly recommend the Academy of Golf Dynamics in Lakeway, run by Fred Funk's teacher, Bill Moretti.

I'll be hanging out there for the July 18th-20th session.  They told me they could get me to scratch by the end of the school.   Thank goodness I've got some Blue Star Ointment.
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« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2008, 02:46:23 pm »
No, Lurch, I was referring to the latter.  That was the best three days I've ever spent around golf.  I could go Noe on you guys and type up four pages of instruction and experience I learned during that school.  Alas, I'll save that effort for something truly irrelevant, such as wannabe sports broadcaster college chicks warming up to future NBA stars during YouTube interviews.

Yet another success story. I think people get tired of hearing me go on about how great that school was so I didn't bother going into it this time.  I've gone twice and the second time took two others with me.  One still bitches to this day that he paid for a 3 day course and in the first 15 minutes they fixed his slice.

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« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2008, 02:47:46 pm »
I'll be hanging out there for the July 18th-20th session.  They told me they could get me to scratch by the end of the school.   Thank goodness I've got some Blue Star Ointment.

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« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2008, 03:05:47 pm »
Bill is a Cards fan.  Be sure to give him hell.

Will do.  I'll make sure to wear an Astros hat at all times.
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« Reply #57 on: June 25, 2008, 05:38:17 pm »
REALLY want to impress them, Taras?  Take a USGA rule book with you to the initial morning session and consult it at the appropriate moment.  You'll get all the attention and instruction you need after that.  Damn near got a standing O for it, the staff was so amused.

Secondly, tell them that the worst thing that ever happened to golf broadcasting and analysis was giving Johnny Miller a microphone.  He's their Richard Justice.
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« Reply #58 on: June 26, 2008, 11:12:12 am »
Secondly, tell them that the worst thing that ever happened to golf broadcasting and analysis was giving Johnny Miller a microphone.  He's their Richard Justice.

I remember Miller slamming the fat bloke (can't remember his name) who got into the last pair on Sunday of the 2006 US Open (IIRC).  The "Tin Cup" bloke who had his car stolen.  Anyway, Miller slams him by blaming Retief Goosen's shitty round on having to play with a guy who's all over the place having a 'mare.  This conveniently overlooked the fact that Goosen had dropped a dozen strokes on the front while matey was clinging onto par, before his wheels fell off eventually on the back nine.

Miller was 100% wrong then, and is so quite often.  He says he's being controversial.  I say that being arrogant and wrong isn't being controversial, it's being a prick.
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« Reply #59 on: June 26, 2008, 12:53:35 pm »
I was just 14 when he turned in that amazing 63 at Oakmont.  I think it was Dave Marr who said something to the effect of the rain delay couldn't come at a better time for Miller and a lot of the middle of the pack guys, as he was hitting the toughest stretch of holes on the course.  "It'll be like throwing darts at some of these," or something to that effect.

Now, if Johnny Miller could direct his venom in the mirror a little, he'd admit that the rain storm the night before (and the brief rain delay during his round on Sunday) helped provide him with the conditions to shoot a lower score.  To his credit, though, he was pretty lonely in the 60's that day, I believe, so 63 is still a sick score, no matter how much I dislike the guy.  Tee to green there might never be a better round in an Open.

Still, if it isn't for the rain storms, 63 is highly unlikely.  No, it doesn't rise to the * occasion; I'm not saying that.  I 'm just saying he had a little help.  To his credit, I have heard him say it was an almost surreal round for him and that he didn't really putt that well; he just kept his approach shots below the hole, key at any US Open and at that course in particular.

If Nicklaus were in the booth making the comments that Miller does, I think folks would be more likely to have to accept the admonishments, given Jack left nothing to doubt.  That Miller does so in such a smug and condescending fashion, even with two majors to his credit, is what so many find galling. 

The instructors at AoGD said that the most important time to ignore Miller is when he's trying to give instruction on shot making.  He's a left handed guy who played right-handed and has significant weight, stance and swing plane issues as a result. Can't recall if they said grip issues or not, but suffice to say, they think he is to be shunned for nearly every observation he makes.

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« Reply #60 on: June 26, 2008, 02:31:47 pm »

God, I miss Ken Venturi.

That is something I never thought I would hear.  Having to listen to Johnny Miller can make a person say the danmdest things...


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« Reply #61 on: July 21, 2008, 08:47:41 am »
I'm sure you're referring to Harvey Penick, but I would highly recommend the Academy of Golf Dynamics in Lakeway, run by Fred Funk's teacher, Bill Moretti.

Attended the school that just completed yesterday.  Like Lurch and ybbodeus, I give it high marks and would definitely recommend it to others.  The teaching professionals are outstanding and know what they are doing.  Like they said at the school, "Even though you may have never been here, we've seen you before only with a different name and understand what you need."  For me it meant involving my right arm more in the swing (I'm a natural lefthander that plays right) to correct a pervasive hook and going to a ten finger grip instead of an overlap.  Also, I now have at least some clue as to the short game.

The practice facility itself is great and includes a three hole practice course designed by Sir Jack.  On Saturday afternoon, I was playing the course along with a guy from Monterrey.  On the par three, I decided to hit a shot we practiced that day--a knock down 5 iron into the wind/elevated green.  The result: into the hole.  The only problem was that it went into the hole with the red flag while I was aiming for the white flag hole.  Damn golf.

The school is worth the time and money.  Also, it will make you want to join the Hills of Lakeway and buy a house out there.
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« Reply #62 on: July 21, 2008, 09:05:53 am »
I say that being arrogant and wrong isn't being controversial, it's being a prick.

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« Reply #63 on: July 21, 2008, 10:22:10 am »
TD, I understand that they've scaled back their Johnny Miller "love."
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« Reply #64 on: July 21, 2008, 11:10:53 am »
TD, I understand that they've scaled back their Johnny Miller "love."

Only heard one negative Johnny Miller comment and it wasn't that much of a deal.  One thing that impressed me was the professionalism of the staff.  When you're talking about three days of relatively close contact, often you'll hear a slip up or something similar.  These boys were way above board and true to their profession all the way through and that includes yesterday afternoon when I was the only guy out there, playing on the practice course and the putting green.  I could overhear them at a distance and even when they were away from the paying customers, they were talking golf.  I never heard one off color comment.
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« Reply #65 on: July 21, 2008, 11:40:23 am »
Only heard one negative Johnny Miller comment and it wasn't that much of a deal.  One thing that impressed me was the professionalism of the staff.  When you're talking about three days of relatively close contact, often you'll hear a slip up or something similar.  These boys were way above board and true to their profession all the way through and that includes yesterday afternoon when I was the only guy out there, playing on the practice course and the putting green.  I could overhear them at a distance and even when they were away from the paying customers, they were talking golf.  I never heard one off color comment.

Did you notice that they do a group study at night after the first two days to talk to each other about each student?  On day one, maybe one or two of them know your problem areas, but on day two they all do.  You'd think with all of the swing tips, drills, etc., they'd be likely to contradict one another on occasion, but they never do.  They're in sync with each other on how to talk to you. It's really an impressive setup.
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« Reply #66 on: July 21, 2008, 11:42:33 am »
Among the numerous things I'm grateful to those guys for providing me was the final impetus to change my golf equipment.  They kindly persuaded me (repeatedly) that I was out of my gourd for trying to play with Wilson Staff Tour blades circa 1975.  

Oh, they liked the clubs and said that there was actually a rather pronounced eBay market for them.  However, they indicated that the special feel that a blade provides when one hits an absolutely dead perfect shot is simply not enough to make up for the truly horrid feedback the club provides when you miss the gnat of a sweet spot on those things by more than a micro-millimeter.  Compound that with the fact that a double-digit handicapper isn't likely to produce said perfect shot more than once per round (or month), and your stubborn, frugal ybbo here was forced to give up the ghost.

Their clincher?  "You don't see any of us hitting those damned things, do you?"
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« Reply #67 on: July 21, 2008, 11:42:40 am »
Tee Time:
Sunday at 10:27 @ Teravista (Round Rock): $38.  Need two more.
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« Reply #68 on: July 21, 2008, 11:46:21 am »
Did you notice that they do a group study at night after the first two days to talk to each other about each student?  On day one, maybe one or two of them know your problem areas, but on day two they all do.  You'd think with all of the swing tips, drills, etc., they'd be likely to contradict one another on occasion, but they never do.  They're in sync with each other on how to talk to you. It's really an impressive setup.

Agreed.  Another thing that impressed me was there were two or three pros that were young guys--mid twenties and they had great poise and conducted themselves way beyond their years.  They have it all down pat.

Like other professional athletes, they can do some things that mortals cannot.  I saw some impressive golf shots demonstrated by these fellows.
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« Reply #69 on: July 21, 2008, 11:47:43 am »
Tee Time:
Sunday at 10:27 @ Teravista (Round Rock): $38.  Need two more.


I may be able to do that. 
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« Reply #70 on: July 21, 2008, 02:20:52 pm »
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Sunday at 10:27 @ Teravista (Round Rock): $38.  Need two more.


One more needed
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« Reply #71 on: July 21, 2008, 02:32:02 pm »
Among the numerous things I'm grateful to those guys for providing me was the final impetus to change my golf equipment.  They kindly persuaded me (repeatedly) that I was out of my gourd for trying to play with Wilson Staff Tour blades circa 1975.  

Oh, they liked the clubs and said that there was actually a rather pronounced eBay market for them.  However, they indicated that the special feel that a blade provides when one hits an absolutely dead perfect shot is simply not enough to make up for the truly horrid feedback the club provides when you miss the gnat of a sweet spot on those things by more than a micro-millimeter.  Compound that with the fact that a double-digit handicapper isn't likely to produce said perfect shot more than once per round (or month), and your stubborn, frugal ybbo here was forced to give up the ghost.

Their clincher?  "You don't see any of us hitting those damned things, do you?"

What did they put you on to?  If you like blades and need some forgiveness Mizuno has a very forgiving yet not obesse club, as well as Titleist, Cobra and Taylor Made (the Cobra is the best bank for the buck, while the Mizuno is the highest quality)...all of the Mizuno MP's are surprisingly forgiving, The Cobra Pro CB is a great value for the feel they produce, The Titleist AP1 and AP2's I think are garbage (but given Titleist's reputation for quality I will overlook my own opinion).  I happen to be playing Cobra Irons right now (CB's), and like them a lot...but most of that is because they were free...I am on whatever staff my brother (who is a PGA teaching professional) USED to be on.

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« Reply #72 on: July 21, 2008, 03:01:33 pm »
It was 7 years ago, actually. I've changed clubs twice since then, including a brief revisit with the blades.  Now hitting some custom made clubs my father had made for me at his club up in hometown.  I had some Cobras for a spell, and I really liked them, but I was too tall for them; I offered them in trade to my dad for the custom clubs, and he accepted.

Today my bag's generally a mix and match of equipment. 
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« Reply #73 on: July 21, 2008, 04:04:01 pm »
Mix and match is a bad idea - at least for your main 3-PW irons.  Sandies and woods can be different, but the whole point of the set of irons is to give you an even distribution length and loft, and thus of distance.  If they aren't the from the same set, that isn't going to happen.

I am on my third distinct set of clubs since I started playing.  The irons are 3 years old, and I don't see any need to change them currently.  Maybe in a year or two, but that would be far ahead of my usual - detrimentally long - rotation.  The woods and sand iron (actually a 58 degree lob wedge) are all random purchases.

What I did do with the current set of irons was to have them fitted.  Wow!  The pro figured out that it was almost impossible for me to hit the ball cleanly with my old (off-the-shelf) set, because the shafts were too short so the club had an extreme toe-down position at impact.  They added some length to the shaft (NTTAWWT) of the new clubs and changed the lie so that I was properly middling the ball every time with the new irons.  The difference was night and day, and my scores came tumbling down.

The fitting was free, which is a deal you can get at most golf mega-stores.  For irons, I would say that it's essential.  For woods, it's not such a big deal.
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« Reply #74 on: July 21, 2008, 04:18:14 pm »
Irons are all one brand, save for the wedges which are all Cleveland; I didn't like the wedges from the custom club set, though I still have them.
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« Reply #75 on: July 21, 2008, 04:27:29 pm »
Irons are all one brand, save for the wedges which are all Cleveland; I didn't like the wedges from the custom club set, though I still have them.


I was told by my pro that you almost always do not want the matching sand/lob wedge to your set of irons.  They try to make the wedge look like the other clubs, and it's just not supposed to.
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« Reply #76 on: July 21, 2008, 08:24:38 pm »
If you ever get an SnS group at Bluebonnet I could be down, as it's one of the few places I feel comfortable hacking away. Someday I'm going to break 100 there.

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« Reply #77 on: July 21, 2008, 09:40:37 pm »
If you ever get an SnS group at Bluebonnet I could be down, as it's one of the few places I feel comfortable hacking away. Someday I'm going to break 100 there.

I'll let you know the next time I'm thinking about playing there.  Lurch can also go and set the course record.
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« Reply #78 on: July 22, 2008, 07:31:13 am »
Mix and match is a bad idea - at least for your main 3-PW irons.  Sandies and woods can be different, but the whole point of the set of irons is to give you an even distribution length and loft, and thus of distance.  If they aren't the from the same set, that isn't going to happen.

I am on my third distinct set of clubs since I started playing.  The irons are 3 years old, and I don't see any need to change them currently.  Maybe in a year or two, but that would be far ahead of my usual - detrimentally long - rotation.  The woods and sand iron (actually a 58 degree lob wedge) are all random purchases.

What I did do with the current set of irons was to have them fitted.  Wow!  The pro figured out that it was almost impossible for me to hit the ball cleanly with my old (off-the-shelf) set, because the shafts were too short so the club had an extreme toe-down position at impact.  They added some length to the shaft (NTTAWWT) of the new clubs and changed the lie so that I was properly middling the ball every time with the new irons.  The difference was night and day, and my scores came tumbling down.

The fitting was free, which is a deal you can get at most golf mega-stores.  For irons, I would say that it's essential.  For woods, it's not such a big deal.

Spot on (bet you were hitting either block-fades or scoop hooks with the old clubs...compensating for them being too flat), with the exception of a fitted wood being "no big deal"...properly fitted woods are most essential, and companies are now seeing that in their marketing (most notably Callaway - any authorized Callaway fitter has the interchangeable shaft system so you can hit multiple head/shaft combos).  It was rare that I ever fit anyone that had the appropriate loft, shaft OR length in their driver.  All three are key...without the correct length you will not find the center of the face consistently, shaft and loft combine to get spin rate and launch angle correct.  Go get on a launch monitor somewhere (they test spin off the face, ball speed and launch angle) or find a pro that knows what to look for...if your driver is off you will pick up AT LEAST 10-15 yards by putting the proper club in your hand.

Also, do not ever get fit by any static method.  You can only be properly fit while making a swing.  Ping, while great clubs, used to have the bs fingertip-to-floor method...which is great if you want the club to lay properly at address, but it may not be that way at impact (they have since switched to a very good fitting system). 

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« Reply #79 on: July 22, 2008, 07:49:32 am »
Spot on (bet you were hitting either block-fades or scoop hooks with the old clubs...compensating for them being too flat), with the exception of a fitted wood being "no big deal"...properly fitted woods are most essential, and companies are now seeing that in their marketing (most notably Callaway - any authorized Callaway fitter has the interchangeable shaft system so you can hit multiple head/shaft combos).  It was rare that I ever fit anyone that had the appropriate loft, shaft OR length in their driver.  All three are key...without the correct length you will not find the center of the face consistently, shaft and loft combine to get spin rate and launch angle correct.  Go get on a launch monitor somewhere (they test spin off the face, ball speed and launch angle) or find a pro that knows what to look for...if your driver is off you will pick up AT LEAST 10-15 yards by putting the proper club in your hand.

Also, do not ever get fit by any static method.  You can only be properly fit while making a swing.  Ping, while great clubs, used to have the bs fingertip-to-floor method...which is great if you want the club to lay properly at address, but it may not be that way at impact (they have since switched to a very good fitting system). 

Didn't realise that the fitting for a driver was as important, because you're hitting the ball that's well teed up.  Live and learn.  I chose my driver after trying a few out in Golf Galaxy with their launch monitor.  I took my old driver as a benchmark, because I don't trust them not to tweak the machine to make everyone look like Tiger.  Was getting a spin rate of about 3500 with the G5, which is what I bought.

Got my irons fitted at my club and they agreed to match the best price I could find, plus do the fitting for free.  We did the fitting out on the range, so I also got a free pseudo-lesson too!
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« Reply #80 on: July 22, 2008, 07:59:13 am »
Didn't realise that the fitting for a driver was as important, because you're hitting the ball that's well teed up.  Live and learn.  I chose my driver after trying a few out in Golf Galaxy with their launch monitor.  I took my old driver as a benchmark, because I don't trust them not to tweak the machine to make everyone look like Tiger.  Was getting a spin rate of about 3500 with the G5, which is what I bought.

Got my irons fitted at my club and they agreed to match the best price I could find, plus do the fitting for free.  We did the fitting out on the range, so I also got a free pseudo-lesson too!

Sounds like you did OK with the purchase of your driver, and you almost have to get that pseudo-lesson in order to get fit properly as you have to get to a consistent impact position to make the fit work.  This is mainly just getting to a balanced finishing position - if y'all out there do nothing else, it is MOST important to get to a balanced finishing position (with chest and hips facing your target...always make your swing in relation to the target, not the ball).  If you ever do this whole thing again I have a lot of connections still in the business and can make sure that you get in touch with someone that knows their shit.  Know REALLY GOOD teachers/fitters in both Austin and Houston.
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« Reply #81 on: July 22, 2008, 09:35:04 am »
Sounds like you did OK with the purchase of your driver, and you almost have to get that pseudo-lesson in order to get fit properly as you have to get to a consistent impact position to make the fit work.  This is mainly just getting to a balanced finishing position - if y'all out there do nothing else, it is MOST important to get to a balanced finishing position (with chest and hips facing your target...always make your swing in relation to the target, not the ball).  If you ever do this whole thing again I have a lot of connections still in the business and can make sure that you get in touch with someone that knows their shit.  Know REALLY GOOD teachers/fitters in both Austin and Houston.

A funny anecdote:  I was in Jamaica recently, and decided to play golf one day.  I had no shoes, so I played in slip-ons with a crappy rental set.  Because of the very dodgy footware, I made extra sure to keep myself balanced with my weight slightly forward to aid grip.  I hit some fabulous shots that day.  I've brought that home with me and have cured a number of ills with (in particular) my iron play.
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« Reply #82 on: July 22, 2008, 09:39:59 am »
A funny anecdote:  I was in Jamaica recently, and decided to play golf one day.  I had no shoes, so I played in slip-ons with a crappy rental set.  Because of the very dodgy footware, I made extra sure to keep myself balanced with my weight slightly forward to aid grip.  I hit some fabulous shots that day.  I've brought that home with me and have cured a number of ills with (in particular) my iron play.

Makes a lot of sense as balance starts with the feet...also, if you want to eliminate body movement and get a good stable feeling in the lower body, practice hitting full 6 irons out of a fairway bunker - this will eliminate any tendencies to "sway" rather than turn as well as balance (it also can make you one hell of a ball striker if you practice it enough)

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« Reply #83 on: July 22, 2008, 10:29:47 am »
A funny anecdote:  I was in Jamaica recently, and decided to play golf one day.  I had no shoes, so I played in slip-ons with a crappy rental set.  Because of the very dodgy footware, I made extra sure to keep myself balanced with my weight slightly forward to aid grip.  I hit some fabulous shots that day.  I've brought that home with me and have cured a number of ills with (in particular) my iron play.

Mickey Mantle was alleged to have once played a round at Preston Trails without shoes, among other things.  A former Astro who will go nameless used to play on occasion without shoes, due to numerous foot injuries that caused swelling at times.  He said he actually preferred to play that way, but it was a tad distracting to his playing partners, not to mention a risk to the soles of his feet (chemicals and all).
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« Reply #84 on: July 22, 2008, 11:40:23 am »
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« Reply #85 on: July 22, 2008, 12:30:24 pm »
Also, do not ever get fit by any static method.  You can only be properly fit while making a swing.  Ping, while great clubs, used to have the bs fingertip-to-floor method...which is great if you want the club to lay properly at address, but it may not be that way at impact (they have since switched to a very good fitting system). 

As an amateur club maker, I have to disagree.  The method you refer to applies solely to experienced golfers who have a repeatable, if flawed, swing.  A beginner has no business getting fitted in any manner other than club length, grip size, and maybe weight (generally lighter unless the new golfer is fairly strong).  I'd even discourage a beginner with using a shaft any stiffer than the "standard"  swing speeds (65-80 for irons, 70-85 for woods).  Too loose a shaft and they'll tend to develop a sway and a wristy, loopy swing.  Too stiff and they'll be swinging from their asses. 

Once you have a repeatable swing, and can generally troubleshoot your mistakes based on feel at impact and ball flight, you probably will benefit greatly from a true swing assessment, with customized clubs adjusted for your "tendencies".
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« Reply #86 on: July 22, 2008, 12:45:44 pm »
As an amateur club maker, I have to disagree.  The method you refer to applies solely to experienced golfers who have a repeatable, if flawed, swing.  A beginner has no business getting fitted in any manner other than club length, grip size, and maybe weight (generally lighter unless the new golfer is fairly strong).  I'd even discourage a beginner with using a shaft any stiffer than the "standard"  swing speeds (65-80 for irons, 70-85 for woods).  Too loose a shaft and they'll tend to develop a sway and a wristy, loopy swing.  Too stiff and they'll be swinging from their asses. 

Once you have a repeatable swing, and can generally troubleshoot your mistakes based on feel at impact and ball flight, you probably will benefit greatly from a true swing assessment, with customized clubs adjusted for your "tendencies".

Sorry, but the PGA Teaching Professionals, as well as myself, disagree with this 100%.  Even if you are not a person who can repeat a golf swing, you getbasically to the same impact point consistently.  If the club is too flat or too upright, hitting it straight becomes far more difficult.  You cannot even determin a correct "optimal" grip size, shft flex, or weight of a golf club until you view ball flight.  I fit beginners into golf clubs on many occassions, and you would be surprised how little they change upon gaining a more consistent golf swing....of course you START with sound basics, posture, grip and alignment...that is why their dynamic positions change very little. 

Also, swing tempo is as great a factor for getting a shaft as swing speed.  A person with a long flowing swing that generates 120 mph needs a weaker shaft than one that swings it short and quick at a rate of 90 mph as the load on the shaft is far greater on the latter (the guy with the long and flowing swing will never get a x shaft to load as well as a regular still shaft, while the guy with the short quick motion, a la Nick Price, needs a far stiffer shaft so it will load properly.  The regular shaft that is "right" for his swing speed will never unload at impact, it will lag far behind the palyer causing the ball to want to go right...to compensate the golfer slows down his body to straighten the shot out and ends up fighting blocks and snap hooks all day long.

I can get into this further, but will have to go back to my hourly rate!

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« Reply #87 on: July 22, 2008, 02:28:45 pm »
Sorry, but the PGA Teaching Professionals, as well as myself, disagree with this 100%.  Even if you are not a person who can repeat a golf swing, you getbasically to the same impact point consistently.  If the club is too flat or too upright, hitting it straight becomes far more difficult.  You cannot even determin a correct "optimal" grip size, shft flex, or weight of a golf club until you view ball flight.  I fit beginners into golf clubs on many occassions, and you would be surprised how little they change upon gaining a more consistent golf swing....of course you START with sound basics, posture, grip and alignment...that is why their dynamic positions change very little. 

Also, swing tempo is as great a factor for getting a shaft as swing speed.  A person with a long flowing swing that generates 120 mph needs a weaker shaft than one that swings it short and quick at a rate of 90 mph as the load on the shaft is far greater on the latter (the guy with the long and flowing swing will never get a x shaft to load as well as a regular still shaft, while the guy with the short quick motion, a la Nick Price, needs a far stiffer shaft so it will load properly.  The regular shaft that is "right" for his swing speed will never unload at impact, it will lag far behind the palyer causing the ball to want to go right...to compensate the golfer slows down his body to straighten the shot out and ends up fighting blocks and snap hooks all day long.

I can get into this further, but will have to go back to my hourly rate!

You and I will have to agree to disagree on when it's best to get custom fitted clubs..  But agree on shaft stiffness as well as grip.  As far as the grip, it's exactly why I try to give my friends a "standard" club and then make modifications.  I see no point in selling someone a $100 club when a $30 club does the same job for their skill level.    It rarely requires loft/lie adjustments, although I know that's become very popular.  As their skill improves, I will modify (grip, shaft, head, weight, etc...) or even help them find the right upgrade.  Once their swing is solid, I have no problems encouraging them to lay down $1000 for a set of irons.  I generally do not make that quality of club. 

You'll have to excuse me, I'm not an instructor.  But while others have taken classes on playing, I took classes on making clubs from a guy who ended up in the GolfSmith Tour Van altering/repairing clubs when I lived in Dallas.  Back when I was looking for the perfect club for my butt-ugly swing, he made a couple points to me that I am now a firm believer in, although I did not appreciate it at the time: "Don't spend $1000 on clubs if you haven't spent twice that on lessons." and "If you build a solid swing, the club is the least important part."  For the life of me, I can't remember this guys name.  All I remember is he had converted his apartment kitchen to a clubmaking shop (he ate out!). 

p.s. I should also add, I don't charge for my services.  I do it as a hobby and don't expect to make money out of it.  I've helped maybe 8-10 friends with anything from a single club to every club in their bag.
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« Reply #88 on: July 22, 2008, 02:48:26 pm »
You and I will have to agree to disagree on when it's best to get custom fitted clubs..  But agree on shaft stiffness as well as grip.  As far as the grip, it's exactly why I try to give my friends a "standard" club and then make modifications.  I see no point in selling someone a $100 club when a $30 club does the same job for their skill level.    It rarely requires loft/lie adjustments, although I know that's become very popular.  As their skill improves, I will modify (grip, shaft, head, weight, etc...) or even help them find the right upgrade.  Once their swing is solid, I have no problems encouraging them to lay down $1000 for a set of irons.  I generally do not make that quality of club. 

You'll have to excuse me, I'm not an instructor.  But while others have taken classes on playing, I took classes on making clubs from a guy who ended up in the GolfSmith Tour Van altering/repairing clubs when I lived in Dallas.  Back when I was looking for the perfect club for my butt-ugly swing, he made a couple points to me that I am now a firm believer in, although I did not appreciate it at the time: "Don't spend $1000 on clubs if you haven't spent twice that on lessons." and "If you build a solid swing, the club is the least important part."  For the life of me, I can't remember this guys name.  All I remember is he had converted his apartment kitchen to a clubmaking shop (he ate out!). 

There are actually some VERY good components out there.  We used to have a components manufacturer that you could specify lie angle with...was great for beginning players - at a cost of about $40/club (as long as you did not use graphite)...we would sell them a couple of clubs at a time, while they were taking lessons.  Worked out great.  I will ask my brother what he name of the company was.  A fitted $40 dollar club will blow an unfitted $30 out of the water.  As far as your tutor, that is kind of an old school mentality...it is hard to build a solid swing if your swing and clubs are always "fighting" each other.  For example, if your club is too flat, you will "build" your swing to compensate for a shot that is always wanting to go right...thus making yuo have to make an unnatural motion in order to hit it even close to your target - that is not the ideal way to build a good golf swing.  More natural movement and less compensation is ideally what you are looking for.  I can appreicate your thinking though...initial enjoyment of the game should not have to cost a fortune.

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« Reply #89 on: July 22, 2008, 03:05:43 pm »
There are actually some VERY good components out there.  We used to have a components manufacturer that you could specify lie angle with...was great for beginning players - at a cost of about $40/club (as long as you did not use graphite)...we would sell them a couple of clubs at a time, while they were taking lessons.  Worked out great.  I will ask my brother what he name of the company was.  A fitted $40 dollar club will blow an unfitted $30 out of the water.  As far as your tutor, that is kind of an old school mentality...it is hard to build a solid swing if your swing and clubs are always "fighting" each other.  For example, if your club is too flat, you will "build" your swing to compensate for a shot that is always wanting to go right...thus making yuo have to make an unnatural motion in order to hit it even close to your target - that is not the ideal way to build a good golf swing.  More natural movement and less compensation is ideally what you are looking for.  I can appreicate your thinking though...initial enjoyment of the game should not have to cost a fortune.

He was definitely old school, no doubt.  And while I agree that a poorly fitted club is likely to result in bad habits, I've only seen two people, and they were both 6'4" require a lie adjustment (I did not do that part for them).  Although, I've also been known to suggest a clubhead intended for women for a shorter friend of mine.  Hey, other than the feminine colors, it was better suited to his needs than a standard club head.  Most Golfsmith heads can be modified for lie.  It requires alot of heat and/or a bending machine so I'd encourage anyone seeking this to have it done professionally.  Golfsmith also used to sell a club head where the sole was easily modified.  Now if you want to talk about modifying standard bounce angles on irons, I am all for modifying bounce.  I suspect it's a result of trying to make clubs more palatable by making mis-hits hurt less but most irons have way too much bounce, especially wedges.  Grind those puppies down...  if you are chunking or hitting the ball fat, the club is not the problem.
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« Reply #90 on: July 22, 2008, 03:26:51 pm »
He was definitely old school, no doubt.  And while I agree that a poorly fitted club is likely to result in bad habits, I've only seen two people, and they were both 6'4" require a lie adjustment (I did not do that part for them).  Although, I've also been known to suggest a clubhead intended for women for a shorter friend of mine.  Hey, other than the feminine colors, it was better suited to his needs than a standard club head.  Most Golfsmith heads can be modified for lie.  It requires alot of heat and/or a bending machine so I'd encourage anyone seeking this to have it done professionally.  Golfsmith also used to sell a club head where the sole was easily modified.  Now if you want to talk about modifying standard bounce angles on irons, I am all for modifying bounce.  I suspect it's a result of trying to make clubs more palatable by making mis-hits hurt less but most irons have way too much bounce, especially wedges.  Grind those puppies down...  if you are chunking or hitting the ball fat, the club is not the problem.

If you need lie angles bent, let me know...I have access to a bending machine and use it quite regularly.  Grinding wedges is another story...most of my previous work in this area has been done on a cart path, or it was in my youth at least.

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« Reply #91 on: July 22, 2008, 03:47:04 pm »
If you need lie angles bent, let me know...I have access to a bending machine and use it quite regularly.  Grinding wedges is another story...most of my previous work in this area has been done on a cart path, or it was in my youth at least.


Thanks... I may take you up on that as I've been tempted to give it a try.  I tend to toe shots frequently and was told taking my lie more upright would help me improve that.  I'm not against lie adjustments, I just don't think it's necessary right off the bat. 

I'm going to do some reading, see if I can learn how to determine how much adjustment to make.  I may end up at golfsmith asking them to "fit" me and then use that to make some tweaks.  Besides, if I mess up my clubs (which I've now had for 5 yrs), I have a convenient excuse to replace them!  It's a win/win, near as I can tell. 
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« Reply #92 on: July 22, 2008, 04:39:17 pm »
I'm thinking about getting a set of Ping Irons (I5 blue dots).  Any recs as to where I should buy (Golfsmith or Ping) or wherever?
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« Reply #93 on: July 23, 2008, 08:13:38 am »
Thanks... I may take you up on that as I've been tempted to give it a try.  I tend to toe shots frequently and was told taking my lie more upright would help me improve that.  I'm not against lie adjustments, I just don't think it's necessary right off the bat. 

I'm going to do some reading, see if I can learn how to determine how much adjustment to make.  I may end up at golfsmith asking them to "fit" me and then use that to make some tweaks.  Besides, if I mess up my clubs (which I've now had for 5 yrs), I have a convenient excuse to replace them!  It's a win/win, near as I can tell. 

I can fit you no problem...as well as show you how to use a bending machine.  If you grind wedges you will have n problem with the lie/loft machine.

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« Reply #94 on: July 23, 2008, 08:17:38 am »
I'm thinking about getting a set of Ping Irons (I5 blue dots).  Any recs as to where I should buy (Golfsmith or Ping) or wherever?

A good friend of mine is a teacher at onion creek...I am sure they have a ping fitting system.  Normally you end up paying about $100.00 mre for a set, but if you get a quality professional eye, it is well worth it.  If Golfsmith fits clubs I'm sure they are competant club fitters, but if you go to a teaching professional you will get some quality instruction along the way (may be well worth the added cost).

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« Reply #95 on: July 23, 2008, 08:36:19 am »
I'm thinking about getting a set of Ping Irons (I5 blue dots).  Any recs as to where I should buy (Golfsmith or Ping) or wherever?

I'd go to one of the demo days and have a Ping employee fit you for free.  They can often actually put a club in your hand that matches the fitting recommendation.  Then put that recommendation in your back pocket and go to one of the fitters others have suggested and see what they come up with.  A second opinion, if you will.   You can probably buy from any reputable golf store* at the same price (I'm not sure how they're getting around the price fixing laws, but they are) but if you buy online you may be able to find a tax and shipping-free supplier.  Whoever you buy from is going to just send your fittings to Ping to make your clubs anyway.

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« Reply #96 on: July 23, 2008, 09:15:55 am »
I can fit you no problem...as well as show you how to use a bending machine.  If you grind wedges you will have n problem with the lie/loft machine.

Oh... by no means do I apply any scientific methods to reducing bounce.  I tried it on some cheap wedges, so as to not ruin the ones I used regularly.  It worked so-so but I found some wedges designed w/ less bounce and have really enjoyed the change.  If I was going to do it again, I'd have it done professionally. 
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« Reply #97 on: July 23, 2008, 09:46:25 am »
I'd go to one of the demo days and have a Ping employee fit you for free.  They can often actually put a club in your hand that matches the fitting recommendation.  Then put that recommendation in your back pocket and go to one of the fitters others have suggested and see what they come up with.  A second opinion, if you will.   You can probably buy from any reputable golf store* at the same price (I'm not sure how they're getting around the price fixing laws, but they are) but if you buy online you may be able to find a tax and shipping-free supplier.  Whoever you buy from is going to just send your fittings to Ping to make your clubs anyway.

*By the way, NEVER buy clubs from eBay, as apparently the Chinese knock-offs rule that site.

Thanks, Lurch.  One of the pros at the Academy was pretty emphatic regarding what fit I needed with the Ping irons (I hit his irons and really liked them).  That said, I think I'll attend the 7/31 demo at Golfsmith in Austin.
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« Reply #98 on: July 23, 2008, 10:00:18 am »
I'd go to one of the demo days and have a Ping employee fit you for free.  They can often actually put a club in your hand that matches the fitting recommendation.  Then put that recommendation in your back pocket and go to one of the fitters others have suggested and see what they come up with.  A second opinion, if you will.   You can probably buy from any reputable golf store* at the same price (I'm not sure how they're getting around the price fixing laws, but they are) but if you buy online you may be able to find a tax and shipping-free supplier.  Whoever you buy from is going to just send your fittings to Ping to make your clubs anyway.

*By the way, NEVER buy clubs from eBay, as apparently the Chinese knock-offs rule that site.

That is a great recommendation, the only drawback can be the crowds.  You can have people ten deep waiting to get fit (and it is usually some schlup wanting to hit a driver as hard as he can on the launch monitor to impress his girlfriend), so the fitters don't give much personal attention (in some cases) as they don't always have time to.  They are GREAT fitters and know their stuff, though.

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« Reply #99 on: July 23, 2008, 10:50:51 am »
That is a great recommendation, the only drawback can be the crowds.  You can have people ten deep waiting to get fit (and it is usually some schlup wanting to hit a driver as hard as he can on the launch monitor to impress his girlfriend), so the fitters don't give much personal attention (in some cases) as they don't always have time to.  They are GREAT fitters and know trust their stuff, though.

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« Reply #100 on: July 28, 2008, 12:21:56 pm »
Taras Bulba and I met at Teravista yesterday and tore it up, me literally.  TB spent the day showing off his finely tuned Academy of Golf Dynamics swing, while I had many opportunities to score but couldn't seal the deal (story of my life.)

FWIW, Teravista is in the worst shape I've ever seen it.  They've given up on GPS units which may slow down pace of play a bit on busier weekends, but we finished in under 4 hours regardless.  Their greens are really hurting from fungus, heat, or questionably timed aeration/sanding.  That said, I'm a sucker for a good deal, and at $38 TV is still that.  I've got another foursome at 10:27 next Sunday and need 2 to fill it out.  Let me know if you're interested in joining.
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« Reply #101 on: July 28, 2008, 01:34:46 pm »
Lurch is a big guy and could kick Fedor's ass.  He insisted on playing clad only in golf spikes and an Astros cap and performed several feats of strength, including turning over the beverage cart and running down a deer and killing it with his bare hands.  In between, he drove every green and challenged God to "Fight me like a man!"  Sometimes he would break out in song or offer spellbinding tales of travels to distant lands.  He's a poet warrior in the classical sense.

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« Reply #102 on: July 28, 2008, 01:43:32 pm »
Lurch is a big guy and could kick Fedor's ass.  He insisted on playing clad only in golf spikes and an Astros cap and performed several feats of strength, including turning over the beverage cart and running down a deer and killing it with his bare hands.  In between, he drove every green and challenged God to "Fight me like a man!"  Sometimes he would break out in song or offer spellbinding tales of travels to distant lands.  He's a poet warrior in the classical sense.

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« Reply #103 on: July 28, 2008, 02:01:34 pm »
Did either of you have the opportunity to employ the "pitch/role" ratio?
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« Reply #104 on: July 28, 2008, 02:12:52 pm »
Did either of you have the opportunity to employ the "pitch/role" ratio?

It was definitely a topic of discussion.  I could see the wheels turning as TB subtracted from 12. After both of my visits to the Academy, I used it for maybe 2-3 weeks and then went back to hacking with a sand wedge or just putting.  That said, my short game was absolute shit, so perhaps I should take it up again.
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« Reply #105 on: July 28, 2008, 02:21:50 pm »
It was definitely a topic of discussion.  I could see the wheels turning as TB subtracted from 12. After both of my visits to the Academy, I used it for maybe 2-3 weeks and then went back to hacking with a sand wedge or just putting.  That said, my short game was absolute shit, so perhaps I should take it up again.

I've thought about hiring somebody to chip and putt for me.  That would be okay, right?
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« Reply #106 on: July 28, 2008, 02:27:24 pm »
It was definitely a topic of discussion.  I could see the wheels turning as TB subtracted from 12. After both of my visits to the Academy, I used it for maybe 2-3 weeks and then went back to hacking with a sand wedge or just putting.  That said, my short game was absolute shit, so perhaps I should take it up again.

It's the most reliable method for around the green play I've ever learned.  It gets a little tricky for me when the roll is up or down hill, though.  Not usually a problem over here in Houston, but I imagine I'd have to re-learn what I learned were I playing on more diverse terrain.
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« Reply #107 on: July 28, 2008, 02:30:55 pm »
It's the most reliable method for around the green play I've ever learned.  It gets a little tricky for me when the roll is up or down hill, though.  Not usually a problem over here in Houston, but I imagine I'd have to re-learn what I learned were I playing on more diverse terrain.

I noticed that there was a page devoted to the ratios in the book they gave me, but they honestly didn't go over it during the session I attended.  And, yes, I was fully awake.
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« Reply #108 on: July 28, 2008, 02:38:11 pm »
I noticed that there was a page devoted to the ratios in the book they gave me, but they honestly didn't go over it during the session I attended.  And, yes, I was fully awake.

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« Reply #109 on: July 28, 2008, 02:40:53 pm »
It's the most reliable method for around the green play I've ever learned.  It gets a little tricky for me when the roll is up or down hill, though.  Not usually a problem over here in Houston, but I imagine I'd have to re-learn what I learned were I playing on more diverse terrain.

This was the problem I had with this method when my brother showed it to me.  He informed me to step off the uphill ones to a point past the hole where you would generally aim a lag put of the same distance (vice versa on downhill or down grain ones).  Worked well..too bad I don't have the discipline to consistently implement this method into my game.

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« Reply #110 on: July 28, 2008, 02:44:34 pm »
Walking it off is only half the battle, of course.  The key is executing the shot properly. 

Putting grip, chipping stroke, stance slightly open, ball slightly towards back of stance, ball placement at toe of club, weight on target side foot, no wrist action, trust your stuff.

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« Reply #111 on: July 28, 2008, 02:49:18 pm »
Walking it off is only half the battle, of course.  The key is executing the shot properly. 

Putting grip, chipping stroke, stance slightly open, ball slightly towards back of stance, ball placement at toe of club, weight on target side foot, no wrist action, trust your stuff.

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« Reply #112 on: July 28, 2008, 02:51:16 pm »
Yeah, but I must admit that point was writer's embellishment.
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« Reply #113 on: July 28, 2008, 03:29:51 pm »
You talked me into trying it out again.  Honestly, a big turnoff was the thought of walking back to the cart to get another club, but when I'm walking the course, I really dont have the luxury of that excuse.
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« Reply #114 on: July 28, 2008, 03:42:53 pm »
Okay, I'm not too proud to ask for a free golf lesson.  What's this "pitch/role" ratio method?  I'm terrible around the green, admittedly, so I'm a sucker for advice (good or bad). 

Right now, I've gotten into narrowing my stance, placing the ball forward or back (forward for more roll, back for less) and primarily using a 3/4 swing.  It's complicated and not very successful, although better than I've been in the past.  So have mercy on this poor hacker's soul and share some knowledge. 

eta:  that method is not based on any advice I've been given.  It's basically going back to the basics (narrowing stance and shortening swing) and "tinkering" with distances, ball flight characteristics...  Mostly, I'm inconsistent with my distances.  I generally get the roll I want, although there are the frequent bladed chip that shoots across the green. 
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« Reply #115 on: July 28, 2008, 03:47:27 pm »
You talked me into trying it out again.  Honestly, a big turnoff was the thought of walking back to the cart to get another club, but when I'm walking the course, I really dont have the luxury of that excuse.

Brother, you are not alone in that sentiment.  It's hot as hell here in Texas.

I got to where I employed the method so much that I started trying to eye-ball the two distances, parking my cart where I could get a lateral view of the line-up.  "Go sell lazy some place else; I'm all stocked up here."
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« Reply #116 on: July 28, 2008, 03:53:43 pm »
Okay, I'm not too proud to ask for a free golf lesson.  What's this "pitch/role" ratio method?  I'm terrible around the green, admittedly, so I'm a sucker for advice (good or bad). 

Right now, I've gotten into narrowing my stance, placing the ball forward or back (forward for more roll, back for less) and primarily using a 3/4 swing.  It's complicated and not very successful, although better than I've been in the past.  So have mercy on this poor hacker's soul and share some knowledge. 

eta:  that method is not based on any advice I've been given.  It's basically going back to the basics (narrowing stance and shortening swing) and "tinkering" with distances, ball flight characteristics...  Mostly, I'm inconsistent with my distances.  I generally get the roll I want, although there are the frequent bladed chip that shoots across the green. 

Trying to explain that one in a post?  Yikes.  Here's an old email I sent a friend once.  See if this confuses you, and then see if Lurch can tell me where I'm misremembering.

If you’re within 15-20  feet of the green, you’re usually chipping, unless you’ve got hardpan leading up to the green, of course, or you’re in the sand trap. 

 

So this will be a chipping drill/process, and let’s presume on a relatively even surface.  The idea is to have the shot land on the green and start rolling as soon a possible.  The process I'm about to describe will allow for you to be pretty darn confident you've got the right club in your hand.

 

1) Stand beside your ball and step off the number of yards to the green.  Stop your count with your first full step onto the putting surface.  Let’s say that’s six steps or yards.  That will become your landing area, where you want the shot to hit the green first.

 

2) From the landing area, count off the number of steps to the hole.  Let’s say that’s another 6 steps or yards.  (That’s the easiest scenario for now) 

 

3) You divide the first number into the second, which gives you the number one, of course.

 

4) Subtract that number from 12.  Why?  Well, the club you’re going to select is dictated by what that amount is.

 

11 = SW

10 = PW

9 is 9-iron

8 is 8-iron and so on, going all the way down to the 3 iron.  I’ve never hit this shot with anything higher than a 6 iron
.can’t imagine playing it with a 5, 4 or 3. 

 

You’ve got your club selected now, and you’re ready to execute your chip.  Recall that the chipping stroke from the class is very similar to the putting stroke--not exactly alike, of course--unless they’ve changed their philosophy, so here goes:

 

The heel of the club is slightly raised. 

The ball placement is more towards the back foot (not dramatically so). 

Your eyes should be positioned so that you’re looking down between the ball and your feet.

The stance is more narrow but slightly open.

Your weight should be on the front (target) foot and more towards your toes on that foot. 

The ball should be struck towards the toe end of your club.

You should use have a flat, stiff wrist swing. (Let the club lift the ball--you don’t have to do anything special to make that happen). 

 

The work will come in learning how hard to strike the ball to get it to the landing area that you picked out with that first step-off.  They say think of how hard to hit it in terms of what would be required to get a putt to the hole, but I’d double check with them on that.  My book’s old; maybe yours is more specific, because it might be to strike it hard enough to get it to the landing area.  I just can't remember.   

 

Regardless, practice of this method is key.  I lucked out a few times without practicing but I called them when its success began to elude me.  They can usually fix you over the phone, they’re so friggin’ good.  Just remember that your landing zone is the target and not the hole.
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« Reply #117 on: July 28, 2008, 04:07:43 pm »
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« Reply #119 on: July 28, 2008, 04:29:59 pm »
I’ve never hit this shot with anything higher than a 6 iron
.can’t imagine playing it with a 5, 4 or 3. 

I don't follow this rule exactly, tending to just eye-ball it and decide which club I'm going to use for the chip.  I never go lower than a 7.  Yesterday, I had a (eye-balled) 50/50 pitch/roll from 10 yards short of the green on 220yd par 3.  Went with the PW and nailed the fucker for a birdie.  Trouble was, I tripled the two 490yd par 5's before and after.

Also, the premise that you want the ball on the ground and rolling as soon as possible isn't always true.  It's mostly true, but sometimes you want to avoid some nasty feature on the green (like a hogs back).  I sometimes choose to hit a flop shot even though there's not an obstacle to carry, simply because I don't see how a chip 'n' run is going to stop anywhere near the hole.  And, occasionally, they go in too.  Gotta have the right king of lie to even attempt it, and also have the confidence to swing hard with the face wide open.
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« Reply #120 on: July 28, 2008, 04:56:30 pm »
Brother, you are not alone in that sentiment.  It's hot as hell here in Texas.

I got to where I employed the method so much that I started trying to eye-ball the two distances, parking my cart where I could get a lateral view of the line-up.  "Go sell lazy some place else; I'm all stocked up here."

... Or I just figured out where to put the target on the green so that I had the 2:1 ratio and could use the PW in my hand.  Laziness prevails.

The description you provided is what I recall, though for some reason I have it stuck in my mind that they suggested you use the putting grip, too.  Ie, club in the palms not the fingers (NTTAWWT?)

They did give the caveat that you dont always want to be on the ground as soon as possible for the reasons Limey suggested, but generally the rule was true.  They based this on some random study, something or other.  I occasionally attempt the flop shot, but only after the round has already gone to hell and blading one across the green and perhaps into my playing partners would not necessarily be a bad thing.  Success comes in many forms.  So I've been told.
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« Reply #121 on: July 28, 2008, 05:14:33 pm »
... Or I just figured out where to put the target on the green so that I had the 2:1 ratio and could use the PW in my hand.  Laziness prevails.

The description you provided is what I recall, though for some reason I have it stuck in my mind that they suggested you use the putting grip, too.  Ie, club in the palms not the fingers (NTTAWWT?)

They did give the caveat that you dont always want to be on the ground as soon as possible for the reasons Limey suggested, but generally the rule was true.  They based this on some random study, something or other.  I occasionally attempt the flop shot, but only after the round has already gone to hell and blading one across the green and perhaps into my playing partners would not necessarily be a bad thing.  Success comes in many forms.  So I've been told.

They absolutely said putting grip.  My bad for not making that more clear.

I used to hit the flop shot when a flop shot wasn't called for, compliments of a 70's era Hogan sand wedge that didn't have one of those heavily weighted heels and thus no extra, unwanted bounce from the club striking the ground at ball impact.  My brother lost that club for me, God bless him.  He got me Super Bowl 38 tickets and Final four duckets this year, so all is very forgiven....except when I'm greenside and have a sand trap between me and the hole. 
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« Reply #122 on: July 28, 2008, 06:02:00 pm »
I've thought about hiring somebody to chip and putt for me.  That would be okay, right?

Depends on where you're playing.  If you're in an American League city.....

Then again, if you're playing in the ATL, you could go with a double switch and let Chipper finish the job for you.
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« Reply #123 on: August 01, 2008, 04:19:31 pm »
The powers that be should be real proud of the 73-81 that a certain young phenom just posted (if she can still be called a phenom, that is).  Real glad they did not give someone that could actually make the cut a shot to earn a paycheck.

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« Reply #124 on: August 01, 2008, 04:30:58 pm »
The powers that be should be real proud of the 73-81 that a certain young phenom just posted (if she can still be called a phenom, that is).  Real glad they did not give someone that could actually make the cut a shot to earn a paycheck.

She's apparently being managed by her parents.  They aren't doing her any favors.
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« Reply #125 on: August 01, 2008, 04:42:11 pm »
She's apparently being managed by her parents.  They aren't doing her any favors.

One of the many things the late Earl Woods did was make sure Tiger knew how to win.  People do not understand how important that is.  Tiger never played in anything but his own age division, in tournaments where I saw him, at least...and he could have competed with 17 yr olds when he was 14.  It was more important for him to dominate every level...winning became second nature because of it.  I would not be shocked if Wie never wins, because she has never learned how....her "managers" (in spite of the advice of David Freaking Ledbetter) are more concerned with getting her as much publicity as possible, which at this point is 99% negative and is turning people away from her.  If she would embrace the LPGA tour instead of constantly trying to compete with the men I would think it would be much better for her, long term.

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« Reply #126 on: August 01, 2008, 04:51:30 pm »
exactly.  I had no problem with Annika going up against the men; Wie has not earned the right.
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« Reply #127 on: August 01, 2008, 04:52:58 pm »
exactly.  I had no problem with Annika going up against the men; Wie has not earned the right.

DAMN RIGHT...and she did it with class, not like a petulant, spoiled brat.

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« Reply #128 on: August 01, 2008, 07:52:56 pm »
DAMN RIGHT...and she did it with class, not like a petulant, spoiled brat.

I'd still give her one, though.
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« Reply #129 on: August 02, 2008, 12:54:46 am »
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« Reply #130 on: August 02, 2008, 09:43:56 am »
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« Reply #131 on: August 04, 2008, 09:22:43 am »
Phil Mickelson is a complete dumbass.  That is all.
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« Reply #132 on: August 04, 2008, 09:49:02 am »
Phil Mickelson is a complete dumbass.  That is all.

I've been saying this for years.  You can see it in his eyes - there's basically very little going on behind 'em.
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« Reply #133 on: August 04, 2008, 10:00:57 am »
I've been saying this for years.  You can see it in his eyes - there's basically very little going on behind 'em.

I guess he's somewhat arrogant, too.  That's the only reason I can think of that has prevented him from hiring a caddy with sense enough to make him keep the driver in his bag.  Pure idiocy on the 17th tee box yesterday.
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« Reply #134 on: August 04, 2008, 10:02:01 am »
I guess he's somewhat arrogant, too.  That's the only reason I can think of that has prevented him from hiring a caddy with sense enough to make him keep the driver in his bag.  Pure idiocy on the 17th tee box yesterday.

As bad as the drive that he hooked onto the tent roof at the US Open (or wherever) a couple of years ago?
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« Reply #135 on: August 04, 2008, 10:10:10 am »
As bad as the drive that he hooked onto the tent roof at the US Open (or wherever) a couple of years ago?

It was a relatively short par 4 with little if no advantage to be gained by using a driver but a lot of disadvantage if his shot was wayward (a three wood would have done nicely).  He was down by a stroke to Singh who was gagging putts all over the place and with a little patience and clear thinking, he'd be the champion today.
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« Reply #136 on: August 04, 2008, 10:16:46 am »
It was a relatively short par 4 with little if no advantage to be gained by using a driver but a lot of disadvantage if his shot was wayward (a three wood would have done nicely).  He was down by a stroke to Singh who was gagging putts all over the place and with a little patience and clear thinking, he'd be the champion today.

...and if Lee Westwood had read my advice in this thread about putting 18 inches past the hole, he'd be champion.  Oh, and I fucking hate VJ.
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« Reply #137 on: August 04, 2008, 10:22:33 am »
Lurch, Taras...the pitch/roll ratio worked to near perfection on the three occasions I employed it yesterday (TPC Southwind), to the tune of having to explain it to my dad and my brother, both of whom get more concerned the closer they get to greens.  

As for the greens, I thought we were playing on bent, the roll was so true, but my brother called it "championship bermuda."  It performed just as bent but with far more durability; it was impressive stuff.

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« Reply #138 on: August 04, 2008, 10:39:11 am »
Lurch, Taras...the pitch/roll ratio worked to near perfection on the three occasions I employed it yesterday (TPC Southwind), to the tune of having to explain it to my dad and my brother, both of whom get more concerned the closer they get to greens.  

As for the greens, I thought we were playing on bent, the roll was so true, but my brother called it "championship burmuda."  It performed just as bent but with far more durability; it was impressive stuff.

I played on Saturday, and my beer/hole ratio worked very well.
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« Reply #139 on: August 04, 2008, 12:24:20 pm »
It's generally dangerous to read Golf Magazine before a round, but I had occasion to (it was that or Southern Living, and I've already toured the South's greatest gazebos) and quite enjoyed an article about a guy trying to hit 300 yards.  He says he received a tip from "The Beast" (some guy who claims to have hit 500) to practice skipping rocks and apply that feeling to your release.  Now, I have no business trying to add distance.  Accuracy is my problem, and frankly I don't have a clue how to hit a shot thats between my lob and pitching wedges.  Regardless, I'm a sucker for distance gimmicks, so I gave this one a shot.  I absolutely CRUSHED shots all day long yesterday and I'll be damned if I wasn't exactly 70-80 yards (the aforementioned fucking gap) out on at least 10 holes.  True to form, I tried multiple techniques to no avail to get the damn ball on the green from there.  Fuck this game.  I should own a gap wedge, but I'm not sure what to take out in it's place.  Perhaps the putter, since it does me no good either.

I'll be trying out Tour18 in Dallas next weekend.  Looks like fun, and I've always wondered how many shots it would take to get one to stick on the TPC island green.

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« Reply #140 on: August 04, 2008, 12:34:17 pm »
I'll be trying out Tour18 in Dallas next weekend.  Looks like fun, and I've always wondered how many shots it would take to get one to stick on the TPC island green.



I played Tour 18 here, and we started on that hole.  Nice way to start a round!

I am pleased to say that I parred all the par 3s.  Even August's #12.
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« Reply #141 on: August 04, 2008, 02:12:26 pm »
I played Tour 18 here, and we started on that hole.  Nice way to start a round!

I am pleased to say that I parred all the par 3s.  Even August's #12.

Very nice!  I'm trying to decide if I should play it from the tips.  If I'm going to have my ass handed to me regardless, I'd like to have a solid excuse.
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« Reply #142 on: August 04, 2008, 02:26:50 pm »
Very nice!  I'm trying to decide if I should play it from the tips.  If I'm going to have my ass handed to me regardless, I'd like to have a solid excuse.

Don't.  Tour 18 isn't a real golf course, so there's no point in worrying about how you play or how you score.  It's very disjointed (at least, the one in Houston is), so that you'll play a 485yd par 5 followed by a 445yd par 4.  Just have fun, but don't do anything silly like playing from the tips.  Just take a look from back there, then go to where us mortals hit from.

Down here they have the whole of Amen Corner, and that's worth the price of admission alone.
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« Reply #143 on: August 04, 2008, 02:33:00 pm »
Don't.  Tour 18 isn't a real golf course, so there's no point in worrying about how you play or how you score.  It's very disjointed (at least, the one in Houston is), so that you'll play a 485yd par 5 followed by a 445yd par 4.  Just have fun, but don't do anything silly like playing from the tips.  Just take a look from back there, then go to where us mortals hit from.

Down here they have the whole of Amen Corner, and that's worth the price of admission alone.

It's a silly but fun course. Just enjoy it.
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« Reply #144 on: September 02, 2008, 10:29:58 pm »
Need three for TeraVista on Saturday.  11:12 for $32
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« Reply #145 on: September 02, 2008, 10:39:06 pm »
Need three for TeraVista on Saturday.  11:12 for $32

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« Reply #146 on: September 03, 2008, 10:18:16 am »
Need three for TeraVista on Saturday.  11:12 for $32

Need two at Star Ranch for a 12:00 tee time on Saturday.  Come on over, Lurch.
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« Reply #147 on: September 03, 2008, 10:25:28 am »
FWIW, I shot a smooth 50 on the front on Monday.  It was breezy, but I simply sucked.  Loaded up the cooler with beer at the turn, and needed a par 18 for 39 on the back.  I nailed my tee shot (3-wood) to the perfect spot for a 7-iron into a large green...then chunked that fucker into the lake I'd laid up to.  Hit the green with a reload from the same spot and 3-putted for a fat 7 and 42.
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« Reply #148 on: September 03, 2008, 10:27:59 am »
FWIW, I shot a smooth 50 on the front on Monday.  It was breezy, but I simply sucked.  Loaded up the cooler with beer at the turn, and needed a par 18 for 39 on the back.  I nailed my tee shot (3-wood) to the perfect spot for a 7-iron into a large green...then chunked that fucker into the lake I'd laid up to.  Hit the green with a reload from the same spot and 3-putted for a fat 7 and 42.

happens to everyone...laid a turd in the first two rounds of my club championship this weekend before shooting a decent round on Monday, under by far the worst conditions of the tournament.

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« Reply #149 on: September 03, 2008, 10:32:51 am »
Played Sunday and parred the first three holes.  Was on in one on the par 3 fourth hole.  And then...

Four putted the motherfucker.  Fucking goddamn golf.  I've four putted before and I've noticed that your playing partners sort of look away from you in hopes of not catching whatever unholy putrid shit has inflicted your putting stroke.

Two other train wrecks on the back (a quad and a triple) otherwise played okay.
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« Reply #150 on: September 06, 2008, 06:39:13 pm »
Played Star Ranch today.  The course is in good shape and it's overall a real nice facility.  One of the guys in my group shot 70.  Fucker.

The "free" breakfast/lunch policy should not be a consideration for you to play there.  At least not the lunch.  Wretched.

With the tollway, it takes less time to get there than you think.
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« Reply #151 on: September 06, 2008, 08:02:41 pm »
Played Star Ranch today.  The course is in good shape and it's overall a real nice facility.  One of the guys in my group shot 70.  Fucker.

The "free" breakfast/lunch policy should not be a consideration for you to play there.  At least not the lunch.  Wretched.

With the tollway, it takes less time to get there than you think.

Unless you know about the toll-road, in which case it takes you exactly as long as you would think.  They still have the buffet table set up backwards with the sneeze guard against the wall?

Played last weekend with a guy with possibly the worst pre-swing ritual ever.  Stands over the ball for at least 30 seconds, swaying heel to toe, repeatedly putting the club-head next to the ball and then yanking it away, then spasticaly raising it up like he's fishing with a lure.  Again, this goes on for at least 30 seconds, eventually followed by a shank and an immediate release of a hand off the club into his pocket to reach for ball #2.  I shit you not, it's actually part of his swing.  Guy I was playing with described it best as golfing tourettes.  Anyway, I had to look away (like Tiger was with Sergio) because it was pissing me off and I was pretty sure I'd laugh out loud or start throwing something eventually.  It made for a pretty shitty round (well, that and my generally horrid drives)

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« Reply #152 on: September 06, 2008, 08:35:20 pm »
They still have the buffet table set up backwards with the sneeze guard against the wall?

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« Reply #153 on: September 07, 2008, 10:38:44 am »
Played last weekend with a guy with possibly the worst pre-swing ritual ever.  Stands over the ball for at least 30 seconds, swaying heel to toe, repeatedly putting the club-head next to the ball and then yanking it away, then spasticaly raising it up like he's fishing with a lure.  Again, this goes on for at least 30 seconds, eventually followed by a shank and an immediate release of a hand off the club into his pocket to reach for ball #2.  I shit you not, it's actually part of his swing.  Guy I was playing with described it best as golfing tourettes.  Anyway, I had to look away (like Tiger was with Sergio) because it was pissing me off and I was pretty sure I'd laugh out loud or start throwing something eventually.  It made for a pretty shitty round (well, that and my generally horrid drives)

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My recommendation the next time you're stuck with someone like that?  Let him get 10 to 15 seconds into his routine before giving him the old "Jimmy DeMaret", asking, "Mind if I play through?"  What a nightmare, Lurch, made worse my nightmare revisited.
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« Reply #154 on: September 19, 2008, 08:53:54 pm »
Need one more to join us tomorrow at Teravista.  $36 @ 11:12.  I went ahead and got the tee time for four so Mr Tourrette doesnt join in again.
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« Reply #155 on: September 19, 2008, 09:47:41 pm »
Need one more to join us tomorrow at Teravista.  $36 @ 11:12.  I went ahead and got the tee time for four so Mr Tourrette doesnt join in again.

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« Reply #156 on: September 20, 2008, 10:21:24 am »
I totally forgot the Ryder Cup was this week.  What's been the storylines so far?
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« Reply #157 on: September 20, 2008, 12:08:57 pm »
I totally forgot the Ryder Cup was this week.  What's been the storylines so far?

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« Reply #158 on: September 20, 2008, 01:09:31 pm »
I totally forgot the Ryder Cup was this week.  What's been the storylines so far?

Turned on the math about half-way in to a conversation about one of the Europeans using Nick Faldo's long time female caddy during the tournament.

Johnny Miller:  "Yeah, she was with Faldo longer than most of his wives were."

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« Reply #159 on: September 21, 2008, 04:22:22 pm »
I totally forgot the Ryder Cup was this week.  What's been the storylines so far?

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« Reply #160 on: September 21, 2008, 04:40:36 pm »
Poulter got a lot of people's attention with his run at The Open in July; I'm guessing he got everyone else's attention with his run at the Cup this week.  Crazy eyed bastard.
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« Reply #161 on: September 21, 2008, 06:37:01 pm »
That was (by and large) outstanding golf on both sides' part today. There were many tremendous shots made. Although it made me all warm and fuzzy to watch Sergio plunk two successive shots into the water.
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« Reply #162 on: September 21, 2008, 08:18:01 pm »
That was (by and large) outstanding golf on both sides' part today. There were many tremendous shots made. Although it made me all warm and fuzzy to watch Sergio plunk two successive shots into the water.

Sergio and Harrington were big disappointments, but there were so many huge contributions from all over the US squad that they were just too hot to handle.  Did Kenny Perry miss a putt all weekend?
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« Reply #163 on: September 21, 2008, 08:59:56 pm »
Kim and Poulter were fun to watch.  Full of piss and vinegar.
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« Reply #164 on: September 22, 2008, 06:02:50 am »
I thoroughly enjoyed Kim's "do whatever you need to do" dismissal of Sergio during the unplayable lie discussion.  I've used that one with equal success.
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« Reply #165 on: September 22, 2008, 08:28:38 am »
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« Reply #166 on: September 22, 2008, 08:45:48 am »
Question for anyone who has an opinion - I'm thinking about getting a new driver.  What do you guys use, and do you like it?

I've been thinking about getting a Nike SQ or Callaway driver - there are some good websites where they are around 150 bones.  Any thoughts?
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« Reply #167 on: September 22, 2008, 09:36:23 am »
Question for anyone who has an opinion - I'm thinking about getting a new driver.  What do you guys use, and do you like it?

I've been thinking about getting a Nike SQ or Callaway driver - there are some good websites where they are around 150 bones.  Any thoughts?

I recently bought a Cleveland driver with 10.5 degree loft and like it (I test drove the rest)  It was a little more expensive, but I got better results with it.   That said, none of them work very well when used with a crappy swing.

Also replaced my 20+ year old Callaway irons with some used Ping I5's that I bought off of ebay.  A lot more forgiving, especially with the 6,5,4 irons.  I'm still not worth a shit, but there you have it.
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« Reply #168 on: September 22, 2008, 09:52:06 am »
Question for anyone who has an opinion - I'm thinking about getting a new driver.  What do you guys use, and do you like it?

I've been thinking about getting a Nike SQ or Callaway driver - there are some good websites where they are around 150 bones.  Any thoughts?

I use a the Taylor Made Burner 460 driver (I have the Burner Hybrids too). I absolutely love the Burner series woods and will probably never hit anything else, even though I hit a Big Bertha for a long time and liked it too. The graphite shafts on the Talor Made clubs are stiffer (more stiff?) than graphite shafts on other woods that I've tried, including Callaway, Nike, Mizuno and Ping. I have a fast swing which I believe is why the stiffer shafts suite my game more, so your swing might be better suited for a different driver, but I would not hesitate recommending the Burner series to anyone.

Also, I feel like I need to throw in a NTTAWWT for the multiple references to "shaft" and "stiff" in the same paragraph.
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« Reply #169 on: September 22, 2008, 01:16:30 pm »
To add to what both these guy said, the key is trying them out.  If you have a Golfsmith nearby, they'll let you hit any pro-line brand of club you might be interested in.   Just keep in mind, these folks make a living on their commission so don't abuse their time too much.

As for the shaft stiffness, that's a big industry gripe.  Callaway "stiff" =/ Taylor Made "stiff" =/ Cleveland "stiff" etc...  To make matters worse, the different models used by Callaway could vary in playing characteristics even though they are all labled "stiff"/"regular" etc...  There is simply no standard either within or across brands.

To reconsile the differences, Golfsmith posts a RSSR or recommended swing sweed range on ever golf shaft they sell.  If you can get specs on the shaft used in the club you have in mind, outside the highly proprietary models, you can get an idea of what you are looking at as far as playing traits.  Again, coupled with a crappy swing, there's no equipment in the world that will make you a good golfer.

But, if you have some minor flaws and are able to minimize them, talk to a professional about having your swing evaluated for swing speed etc... and they can make a recommendation or even make a club just for you.  You may even find yourself interested in a component brand of club. 
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« Reply #170 on: September 22, 2008, 02:15:23 pm »
I'd suggest the Ping G2 or G5.  Story I heard was that Ping did such a great job with the G2 they were stumped for the next season and pretty much just flipped the number on the G5.  I recently picked up a Callaway FT5 after test drives at Galaxy Golf.  It's a nice driver, but I'd be just as happy with my old G2 back.

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Ok, everyone else.... Be extremely cautious about buying golf clubs on ebay.  There is a thriving counterfeit industry that relies almost solely on ebay to survive.  The Chinese factories where the real stuff is made seem to have a problem keeping the casts from being stolen, so knock offs are made with the real cast, but cheaper material.  If you look online you'll notice that almost all of the major brands are sold for the exact same price at all of the stores.  Somehow they've managed to put price fixing in place.  That a random guy on eBay can sell you the same club for a fraction of the price that everyone else charges is the easiest indicator that something is up.  Ping, Callaway, etc, have their hands full with the big retailers.  They're not selling to this other guy at a discounted rate.


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« Reply #171 on: September 22, 2008, 03:30:05 pm »
I was wondering why the guy insisted on sending a "friend" by my house to collect cash.  The guy seemed nice enough, though I couldn't really understand anything he was saying and he bowed a lot.  Hmmm.

I "think" I'm okay--bought them from a guy on a used basis, with some nicks, etc.  I had also read about the counterfeit golf club thing and some of the "new" clubs shown on ebay really appear to be too good to be true.
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« Reply #172 on: September 22, 2008, 04:36:09 pm »
Question for anyone who has an opinion - I'm thinking about getting a new driver.  What do you guys use, and do you like it?

I've been thinking about getting a Nike SQ or Callaway driver - there are some good websites where they are around 150 bones.  Any thoughts?

I may have posted this story before, but...

I bought a Ping G5 a year or so ago.  I love it still.  I went to Golf Galaxy and tested a load of drivers while using my existing one as a benchmark.  The G5 - 9 degrees as I hit a high ball - with a stiff shaft gave me the best launch angle and the lowest spin rate.  It also seemed to give me the best accuracy too, but only in time is that proven.  I have the ability to spray it around if I'm really trying, but the one thing that is constant is that I get dead-solid contact every time.  The trick is to trust your swing and let it fly.

I think the Ping is great, but your mileage may vary.  But it's a good thing to try out as many drivers as possible - and the bay at Golf Galaxy is a good place as you can use the electronics to give you some pretty high-tech information.
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« Reply #173 on: September 23, 2008, 11:04:34 am »
Listened to Peter Kessler's show on XM this morning.  Some items:

Westwood and Poulter are not happy.  Westwood said he had some mean things said to him by the gallery and that Azinger promoted a rowdy crowd.  Poulter said that Kim bumped him coming off a green and needs to grow up.

The British press isn't happy with Faldo.  One rag describes him as "America's 13th Man."  Whatever the case, it's now open season on Faldo on both sides of the pond, with writers over here talking about what an arrogant ass Faldo can be.

So-so reviews for Valhala but Azinger was credited with giving input to the setup to make it more playable.

One guy that Kessler had on (wish I recalled his name) was quite frank.  Said the U.S. is better without Tiger.  "Playing with Tiger is like playing with your boss."  Said the team was a lot looser without him around.



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« Reply #174 on: September 23, 2008, 11:24:43 am »
Poulter needs to shut the fuck up. Dude jumps around like a Kansas City Faggot every time he makes a 3 foot putt.
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« Reply #175 on: September 23, 2008, 11:44:37 am »
Poulter needs to shut the fuck up. Dude jumps around like a Kansas City Faggot every time he makes a 3 foot putt.

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« Reply #176 on: September 23, 2008, 01:43:04 pm »
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« Reply #177 on: September 23, 2008, 02:07:21 pm »
Listened to Peter Kessler's show on XM this morning.  Some items:

Westwood and Poulter are not happy.  Westwood said he had some mean things said to him by the gallery....

Coulda been worse; they could have taken I-71 up the road a bit to Columbus, Ohio.  That blue flag the Euros were sporting might have been construed as a Michigan flag by some of the more enlightened fans there, which might have made it tough for those boys to get out of town alive.

Come on, Westwood!  Come to think of it, some of those Kentrucky boys might have got Westwood confused with Monty.
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« Reply #178 on: September 23, 2008, 04:29:31 pm »
Wish I would have stumbled onto this thread back in June when I was playing every day.  Fucking AMD laid me ass off and I had alot of time on my hands.  I was a regular at Star Ranch.  I was even doing phone interviews from the golf course.  Now that I'm back employed full time, I still try to get out 1 or 2 times a week.  I've got 3 youngins so alot of times this is not possible.  During the week I play at Star Ranch since I live less than 5 miles away.  Forest Creek is closer but I love me some Star Ranch.  On the weekends I've been playing Morris Williams.  My golf pro buddy really likes this course. It has grown on me.  Plus he's a cheap ass and doesn't like to pay the Star Ranch fees even for twilight.  I haven't read this entire thread.  Did anybody ever get the Austin area orangewhoopasses out on the golf course?

I use a Ping G5 driver.  I love it.  My golf pro buddy swears by it.  I was using a GolfSmith built driver and noticed a huge difference almost immediately after I switched to the Ping.  I'm now seriously considering swapping out my entire set of clubs to Pings.

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« Reply #179 on: September 23, 2008, 04:43:23 pm »
I've played with Lurch a couple of times.  He's a good egg and wears an Astros cap.   I will actually be playing Avery Ranch, Star Ranch, and Grey Rock on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday with some fellow pathetic old frat brother types, but will gladly give you a shout in the future.  In the meantime, try Lurch, though his line is usually busy with admiring females.
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« Reply #180 on: September 23, 2008, 05:12:46 pm »
For those who haven't seen this yet....http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/blog/devil_ball_golf/post/USA-Wins-Pony-rides-all-around-?urn=golf,109358

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« Reply #181 on: September 23, 2008, 06:56:16 pm »
Speaking of which, I have two spots open at Teravista Saturday at 11:12 for $38.  PM me if interested

We do need to get a little tourney set up.  Maybe a two player best ball with 8 or 12 players.  I think we've already identified 6-8 Austin golfers in this thread.  Anyone else out there interested?
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« Reply #182 on: September 25, 2008, 06:58:16 pm »
Two spots left for Saturday on ezlinks.  Grab them for $36 in the name your own price option.  Right now its me and Austro
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« Reply #183 on: September 26, 2008, 12:15:58 pm »
Two spots left for Saturday on ezlinks.  Grab them for $36 in the name your own price option.  Right now its me and Austro

I'd take you up on the offer but I'm going to the Longhorn game.
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« Reply #184 on: September 26, 2008, 03:55:32 pm »
I'd take you up on the offer but I'm going to the Longhorn game.

4 of my last 5 nines have been 50+.  I'm not golfing in public for a while...and the public appreciates that.
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« Reply #185 on: September 27, 2008, 04:36:11 pm »
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Do not, under any circumstances, give Austro any strokes if you meet him on the course.  He kicked Teravista's ass today and called it his bitch.  37 on the back nine, Austro?  New driver and new wedge and that's about all he needed to use all day long.  Impressive showing.

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« Reply #186 on: September 27, 2008, 06:20:29 pm »
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Do not, under any circumstances, give Austro any strokes if you meet him on the course.  He kicked Teravista's ass today and called it his bitch.  37 on the back nine, Austro?  New driver and new wedge and that's about all he needed to use all day long.  Impressive showing.

Lurch is generously declining to point out that I was the beneficiary of quite a bit of good fortune: every bounce went the right way, and every mishit wound up someplace benign. I'm just as likely to shoot a 50 on my next nine.
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« Reply #187 on: October 02, 2008, 02:41:23 pm »
Anyone interested in joining this weekend?  Sat, Teravista, 11:12, $38.  Need 3
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« Reply #188 on: October 02, 2008, 03:41:27 pm »
Anyone interested in joining this weekend?  Sat, Teravista, 11:12, $38.  Need 3

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« Reply #189 on: October 02, 2008, 03:58:20 pm »
You're slipping--$38?  Where's the Lurch I used to know?

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« Reply #190 on: October 02, 2008, 05:25:45 pm »
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Do not, under any circumstances, give Austro any strokes if you meet him on the course.  He kicked Teravista's ass today and called it his bitch.  37 on the back nine, Austro?  New driver and new wedge and that's about all he needed to use all day long.  Impressive showing.

So if Austro tries to join up with our group, simply reply, "No, thanks; we've already got 3,"?
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« Reply #191 on: October 03, 2008, 10:47:55 pm »
Played Flintrock Falls (Hills of Lakeway) this afternoon.  To say Nicklaus was in a pissy mood the day he designed the course would be a tad of an understatement.  A punishing, grueling, unforgiving motherfucker.

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« Reply #192 on: October 04, 2008, 09:20:22 pm »
So if Austro tries to join up with our group, simply reply, "No, thanks; we've already got 3,"?

You guys need to ask Lurch about my performance the preceding weekend. I used up about a month's worth of strokes that day.
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« Reply #193 on: October 10, 2008, 03:25:14 pm »
Mixing it up this weekend.... SUNDAY @ 10:30 on Teravista, $38.  Need two.  PM me if interested
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« Reply #194 on: October 10, 2008, 04:41:20 pm »
Alright, maybe Houston can get in on this.  Playing Kingwood at 7:40 on Sunday.  Can take 2 more.  PM me if interested.
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« Reply #195 on: October 10, 2008, 08:11:56 pm »
Mixing it up this weekend.... SUNDAY @ 10:30 on Teravista, $38.  Need two.  PM me if interested

The last spot is still available on ezlinks.com if anyone is interested.  Bid $36 to win it
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« Reply #196 on: October 11, 2008, 07:08:10 am »
I'm playing Sunday already.  Off to the range to practice what I learned on Thursday.  Had a lesson...and....I was standing too close to the ball (punchlines on a postcard to Nickelodeon...).  Now if I can just keep my frikkin' head down, Ill be in great shape.
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« Reply #197 on: October 11, 2008, 02:55:38 pm »
I'm playing Sunday already.  Off to the range to practice what I learned on Thursday.  Had a lesson...and....I was standing too close to the ball (punchlines on a postcard to Nickelodeon...).  Now if I can just keep my frikkin' head down, Ill be in great shape.

Part of my problem was that I was standing too far away from the ball, so I was consistently hitting on the toe. This game is devilishly hard.
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« Reply #198 on: October 11, 2008, 04:01:16 pm »
I'm playing Sunday already.  Off to the range to practice what I learned on Thursday.  Had a lesson...and....I was standing too close to the ball (punchlines on a postcard to Nickelodeon...).  Now if I can just keep my frikkin' head down, Ill be in great shape.
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Went to the driving range Thursday and hit 50+ with the driver.  Found that I, too, was standing too close.  Was lining the ball up against the face when the head was on the ground.  Found that by lifting the club head slightly (as it would be during the swing) the ball was actually aligned on the inner 3rd.  I was making sure to clean the face each time and see where the ball impacted until I finally felt comfortable. World of difference hitting it in the center.

Played at Colovista today and was bombing them 280+.  Still couldnt score worth shit, but at least when you're swinging the driver well you can always look forward to the next tee box after 3 putting.
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« Reply #199 on: October 11, 2008, 05:13:07 pm »
I've been hitting the ball on the fucking heel of my driver for the longest time. I have no idea how this started nor, really, how to fix it. I could stand five yards away from the ball and still strike it on the heel. Oddly, I get better results when I inch a bit closer to the ball at address. I think this forces me to keep my hands more in the pocket through the downswing. You're right, though, hitting the ball squarely is the difference between a shit drive and a 280+ drive.
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« Reply #200 on: October 11, 2008, 07:02:17 pm »
I've been hitting the ball on the fucking heel of my driver for the longest time. I have no idea how this started nor, really, how to fix it. I could stand five yards away from the ball and still strike it on the heel. Oddly, I get better results when I inch a bit closer to the ball at address. I think this forces me to keep my hands more in the pocket through the downswing. You're right, though, hitting the ball squarely is the difference between a shit drive and a 280+ drive.

Next time you're at the range, try taking some swings while maintaining awareness of where your sternum is.  Your spine/chest is leaning slightly forward, of course, during address and you want to keep that angle consistant throughout the swing.  If you're lining up properly and still managing to hit it on the heel, you might be dropping your sternum slightly towards the ground (probably at the top of your backswing).  Your club will have to have to move outward to compensate (or you'd drive it into the ground) which would produce the consistant heel problem.
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« Reply #201 on: October 11, 2008, 07:55:43 pm »
Next time you're at the range, try taking some swings while maintaining awareness of where your sternum is.  Your spine/chest is leaning slightly forward, of course, during address and you want to keep that angle consistant throughout the swing.  If you're lining up properly and still managing to hit it on the heel, you might be dropping your sternum slightly towards the ground (probably at the top of your backswing).  Your club will have to have to move outward to compensate (or you'd drive it into the ground) which would produce the consistant heel problem.

That makes sense, thanks. I'll give it a whirl.
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« Reply #202 on: October 12, 2008, 08:23:19 am »
Supposed to play Woodforest tomorrow up in Montgomery County.  Anyone have experience with that course?   Good, bad or indiferrent?  About all I know about it is that from the name I should gather it ain't a links course.
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« Reply #203 on: October 12, 2008, 10:37:13 am »
Supposed to play Woodforest tomorrow up in Montgomery County.  Anyone have experience with that course?   Good, bad or indiferrent?  About all I know about it is that from the name I should gather it ain't a links course.

The Front and the West are link-ish, the back not so much.  Greens are almost always perfect, so it is a fun place to play.  The front nine is grip it and rip it, while the back is more placement oriented (the west is kind of a hybrid of the two).  I like it out there because of course condition and past success...not saying it is a GREAT golf course, but if you play the tee set you are confortable with and you should have a very enjoyable day.

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« Reply #204 on: October 13, 2008, 05:02:17 pm »
Thanks, Spor. Didn't realize it was Fishcreek rebadged. You're dead on about the greens. True rolls and pretty firm to boot. They held well struck shots but anything hit remotely thin rolled and rolled. Our team did 8 under, good for 7th but nowhere near 1st. Fun, fair course, though not exactly convenient for a return.
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« Reply #205 on: October 24, 2008, 11:04:43 am »
About to put two spots back on ezlinks for Sat at 11:12 a.m at Teravista.  Bid $36 to join us.
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« Reply #206 on: October 24, 2008, 11:27:37 am »
About to put two spots back on ezlinks for Sat at 11:12 a.m at Teravista.  Bid $36 to join us.

I grabbed one of them. I hope the good austro shows up instead of that clown who was visiting all of the bunkers last weekend.
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« Reply #207 on: October 25, 2008, 02:57:02 pm »
Played Deerwood yesterday and met the wonderful Mr. Gleach.  Outstanding course and it was chamber of commerce weather.  Great layout.
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« Reply #208 on: October 30, 2008, 02:32:45 pm »
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« Reply #209 on: October 30, 2008, 03:05:54 pm »
need 1 Sat @ 11:12 Teravista, $38

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« Reply #210 on: October 31, 2008, 10:55:52 am »
Played Deerwood yesterday and met the wonderful Mr. Gleach.  Outstanding course and it was chamber of commerce weather.  Great layout.

Friggin awesome golf course...cannot wait to play in the "Golfers Agains Cancer" there in a month.  And, while I am quite the "moving target" lately, would love to get out there and play sometime...or if anyone is interested in playing up North let me know (Conroe Country Club is my new "home"...finest 9 hole golf course on the planet...home of $1.50 beers, deginerate gamblers and 6-somes that play in less than 4 hours).

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« Reply #211 on: October 31, 2008, 11:08:46 am »
Friggin awesome golf course...cannot wait to play in the "Golfers Agains Cancer" there in a month.  And, while I am quite the "moving target" lately, would love to get out there and play sometime...or if anyone is interested in playing up North let me know (Conroe Country Club is my new "home"...finest 9 hole golf course on the planet...home of $1.50 beers, deginerate gamblers and 6-somes that play in less than 4 hours).

Sporadic -

Are you coming to the golfers against cancer dinner the night before?  I am a part of the group that puts together all of the silent auction items and runs around making sure everyone is happy.  I will be playing in the Sunday part of the tournament.  You playing Sunday or Monday?
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« Reply #212 on: October 31, 2008, 11:11:15 am »
Sporadic -

Are you coming to the golfers against cancer dinner the night before?  I am a part of the group that puts together all of the silent auction items and runs around making sure everyone is happy.  I will be playing in the Sunday part of the tournament.  You playing Sunday or Monday?

Not sure about dinner, but I will be playing on Sunday as well.  The guy I am playing with is very big in that tournament (I think).  He donates a bunch of stuff every year.  He put me on scholarship this year.

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« Reply #213 on: October 31, 2008, 11:14:58 am »
Cool, now I know how to assemble my team.  3 scratch golfers and me.  By the way, played 9 holes at deerwood last night and the course was in great shape.
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« Reply #214 on: October 31, 2008, 11:24:04 am »
Cool, now I know how to assemble my team.  3 scratch golfers and me.  By the way, played 9 holes at deerwood last night and the course was in great shape.

That is always the way to go!  Hope the course holds up...don;t think I would care either way, I always enjoy that course. 

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« Reply #215 on: October 31, 2008, 11:46:44 am »
I'm fairly certain that gleach is a golf hustler.  He has all the earmarks.
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« Reply #216 on: October 31, 2008, 01:36:11 pm »
I'm fairly certain that gleach is a golf hustler.  He has all the earmarks.

Yeah, that's true.  Impenetrable physique, balls of steel.  28 handicap.  It's the total package.  Limey has played golf with me.  He can vouch for my suckitude.
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« Reply #217 on: October 31, 2008, 05:42:50 pm »
Yeah, that's true.  Impenetrable physique, balls of steel.  28 handicap.  It's the total package.  Limey has played golf with me.  He can vouch for my suckitude.

...and vice versa.  Pass the ammo and where's the drinks cart?!!!
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« Reply #218 on: November 12, 2008, 09:34:40 pm »
Gotta burn some vacation hours.  Playing Teravista Friday at Noon if anyone is interested
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« Reply #219 on: December 05, 2008, 07:00:53 pm »
Highly recommend Wolfdancer in Bastrop.  Played there today and had a fantastic time.  Very challenging, but playable course.  ~$60 on golf512.com and there was no one out there.
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« Reply #220 on: December 07, 2008, 01:07:28 pm »
Highly recommend Wolfdancer in Bastrop.  Played there today and had a fantastic time.  Very challenging, but playable course.  ~$60 on golf512.com and there was no one out there.

I've never played Wolfdancer.  In the same area, Colo Vista is a really nice course.  The front 9 and the back 9 are like two completely different courses.

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« Reply #221 on: December 07, 2008, 03:24:08 pm »
I've never played Wolfdancer.  In the same area, Colo Vista is a really nice course.  The front 9 and the back 9 are like two completely different courses.

I've actually been playing Colo Vista quite a bit recently and really like it... Wolfdancer is the better course to me, though.  I'm looking forward to seeing it in the spring when its green.
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« Reply #222 on: December 07, 2008, 09:28:24 pm »
I've actually been playing Colo Vista quite a bit recently and really like it... Wolfdancer is the better course to me, though.  I'm looking forward to seeing it in the spring when its green.

Don't you think the front 9 is like a classic links course with the back more tree lined with shot placement more important?

I used to take a week every September and go to Myrtle Beach with a friend.  We'd play two different courses every day and then it was seafood and beer every night.  Life can be good...

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« Reply #223 on: December 08, 2008, 09:35:00 am »
Highly recommend Wolfdancer in Bastrop.  Played there today and had a fantastic time.  Very challenging, but playable course.  ~$60 on golf512.com and there was no one out there.

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« Reply #224 on: December 08, 2008, 10:23:22 am »
Don't you think the front 9 is like a classic links course with the back more tree lined with shot placement more important?

You're right.  Like completely different courses.  There is supposedly a story there.  Something about the guy and his wife buying the land and he built one hole for him and his buddies to play (I think it was the awesome par 3 on the back) and over time he made it a 9 hole.  Only later after an apparently messy divorce did someone get in and extend it to 18 with the adjacent land (with the couples house now being the clubhouse).
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« Reply #225 on: January 16, 2009, 11:00:31 am »
Austro and I are playing Teravista tomorrow at 11:12 if anyone is interested in joining us.  There is one spot left that you can pick up on ezlinks.com.  Use the "Name Your Price" option and bid $36 for it and you'll "win".
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« Reply #226 on: January 18, 2009, 12:37:19 pm »
Austro and I are playing Teravista tomorrow at 11:12 if anyone is interested in joining us.  There is one spot left that you can pick up on ezlinks.com.  Use the "Name Your Price" option and bid $36 for it and you'll "win".

So, how was it?  Wish I could play more.  Teravista is really close to me.  I live off of FM 3406.

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« Reply #227 on: January 18, 2009, 02:01:24 pm »
So, how was it?  Wish I could play more.  Teravista is really close to me.  I live off of FM 3406.

We picked the wrong day.  The wind was supposed to die down around noon, but never did.  Of course, today it is perfect out there.  Teravista is a great course when the wind is less than 10mph.  It's the highest point in Williamson County, so it can get pretty brutal and unrelenting at times.  You need to join us next time
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« Reply #228 on: January 18, 2009, 06:02:22 pm »
We picked the wrong day.  The wind was supposed to die down around noon, but never did.  Of course, today it is perfect out there.  Teravista is a great course when the wind is less than 10mph.  It's the highest point in Williamson County, so it can get pretty brutal and unrelenting at times.  You need to join us next time

I've played that wind and you're right, it is brutal.  It's like Bluebonnet...maybe worse.  I can usually play on Sunday.  I have a rotating day off at work, Monday one week, Tuesday the next and so on.  Of course there is always sick leave.

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« Reply #229 on: February 07, 2009, 08:00:34 am »
Drove through Bastrop and saw the ColoVista sign yesterday.  That was one of those courses about which I'd heard nice things and has always wanted to play it.  Seems it had some unique Muslim-like liquor challenges when it opened, but I presume those were licensing issues.  If those weren't ever resolved, then I'm surprised it stayed open as long as it did.

Is that course on anyone's circuit of play, or is it just a tad too inconvenient from the Austin area?
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« Reply #230 on: February 07, 2009, 03:39:01 pm »
Is that course on anyone's circuit of play, or is it just a tad too inconvenient from the Austin area?

I haven't played it, but I think Lurch has. If I remember correctly, he says that the two nines have completely different characters.
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« Reply #231 on: February 07, 2009, 05:38:48 pm »
Drove through Bastrop and saw the ColoVista sign yesterday.  That was one of those courses about which I'd heard nice things and has always wanted to play it.  Seems it had some unique Muslim-like liquor challenges when it opened, but I presume those were licensing issues.  If those weren't ever resolved, then I'm surprised it stayed open as long as it did.

Is that course on anyone's circuit of play, or is it just a tad too inconvenient from the Austin area?

It's a really nice course.  The front nine is more open, more like a traditional links course and the back nine has more trees.  I love the course.  You saw signs that it is now closed?

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« Reply #232 on: February 07, 2009, 08:08:34 pm »
That sucks.  It was the halfway point for me and my dad in College Station, so we got a few rounds in there this year.  It was always surprisingly empty, though.  Wolfdancer probably picked off a good number of their customers, as it did us.

Someone will pick it up, I'm sure.  Would be a shame to let that cool par 3 go to waste.
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« Reply #233 on: February 08, 2009, 01:12:38 am »
It was in the AAS this morning--back page, perhaps?  I'm sure it will reopen at some point; it's just that its current ownership/management reached the decision to stop operating.

Yeah, all I had to do was look three posts up, and I could have read Brother Lurch's remarks....DOHL!
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