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« on: June 09, 2008, 01:31:32 pm »
Is there any truth to the rumors of a trade (Pence for Sabathia)

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Is there any truth to the rumors of a trade (Pence for Sabathia)

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"Let's all remember one thing. If you hear radio talk show hosts say, "Wouldn't it be cool if the Astros traded Pence for Sabathia?" --this does not count as a "rumor." It usually means one of two things, or both: It has no validity whatsoever, and the front office has never discussed it."
http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080609&content_id=2876572&vkey=news_hou&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou

The whole thing was made up by Brad Davies on 790 The Sports Animal to elicit callers.  He also made no bones about it being a figment of his imagination (and also a way to drum up callers to his lame show).  Fans are just gullible and some are not very bright either.

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« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2008, 01:44:17 pm »
I live in Austin and come to Houston about once every other month.  What the best local sports radio stations to listen to in Houston nowadays?  I see the sticky about 1560 The Game.  When is that good to listen to?

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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2008, 01:45:32 pm »
I live in Austin and come to Houston about once every other month.  What the best local sports radio stations to listen to in Houston nowadays?

1560.  There's nothing left on 610 or 790 that's remotely listenable.
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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2008, 01:53:53 pm »
1560.  There's nothing left on 610 or 790 that's remotely listenable.

I would say John and Lance in the am drive (1560) and Charlie Palillo in the pm drive(790) are your best bets, but to be fair I have never listened to Sean and John in the afternoon on 1560.

And in the interest of fairness, when I have listened to Richard Justice, he's been pretty good.  Don't know if that is an abberation, but it's been my experience that he comes across as far more knowledgeable on the radio than he does in his columns.

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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2008, 01:55:59 pm »
I would say John and Lance in the am drive (1560) and Charlie Palillo in the pm drive(790) are your best bets, but to be fair I have never listened to Sean and John in the afternoon on 1560.

And in the interest of fairness, when I have listened to Richard Justice, he's been pretty good.  Don't know if that is an abberation, but it's been my experience that he comes across as far more knowledgeable on the radio than he does in his columns.

Sean and John are good for football talk and general funny stuff, but not much for baseball.  I do enjoy their show though.

Ken Hoffman's show sucks more than anything has ever sucked in the history of sucking.

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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2008, 01:56:14 pm »
I would say John and Lance in the am drive (1560) and Charlie Palillo in the pm drive(790) are your best bets, but to be fair I have never listened to Sean and John in the afternoon on 1560.

Sean and John have really grown on me.  They are exceptional during football season.

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And in the interest of fairness, when I have listened to Richard Justice, he's been pretty good.  Don't know if that is an abberation, but it's been my experience that he comes across as far more knowledgeable on the radio than he does in his columns.

Justice gets good guests and lets them talk.
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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2008, 01:56:23 pm »
1560.  There's nothing left on 610 or 790 that's remotely listenable.

610 does a baseball hour once a week with Kevin Bass that is ok, otherwise, that station stinks.
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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2008, 02:00:04 pm »
I live in Austin and come to Houston about once every other month.  What the best local sports radio stations to listen to in Houston nowadays?  I see the sticky about 1560 The Game.  When is that good to listen to?

After years of listening to sports talk radio, my advice is simply don't. I am a much happier sportsfan once I decided not to turn the dial in that direction. Some shows are better than most, but you're always still dumber for having listened to it.
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« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2008, 02:38:40 pm »
I dunno, that SnS segment on 1560 The Game "Gametime with Raheel and Rodney" is pretty good.  They definitely need to make up more rumors though.  Just saying.
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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2008, 02:50:57 pm »
I dunno, that SnS segment on 1560 The Game "Gametime with Raheel and Rodney" is pretty good.  They definitely need to make up more rumors though.  Just saying.

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« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2008, 02:56:01 pm »
Ken Hoffman's show sucks more than anything has ever sucked in the history of sucking.

Which can only mean that Jeremy Foster's show was cancelled?
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« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2008, 03:07:41 pm »
The only good Houston sports radio is anytime John McClain is talking, 1560 is full of chron idiots and the reception sucks and 790 is 790.

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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2008, 03:15:04 pm »
The only good Houston sports radio is anytime John McClain is talking, 1560 is full of chron idiots and the reception sucks and 790 is 790.

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Yippie-ka-yay, radio listeners?

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« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2008, 03:16:11 pm »
The only good Houston sports radio is anytime John McClain is talking, 1560 is full of chron idiots and the reception sucks and 790 is 790.

John McClain is a tool.  See how opinions can differ?

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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2008, 03:44:45 pm »
I agree with Zip. John and Lance (1560) in the morning, and Palillo (790) for the drive home.

The afternoon is a toss up for me. I'll typically switch over to Rome (610) unless Justice (1560) can catch my attention before I switch over. Don't listen much at lunch time though.

I'm not a huge college football fan, but Sean and John are great if you are into that.

Ever since John and Lance left, the local 610 programming has been terrible, and outside of Palillo, 790 is terrible.

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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2008, 03:49:27 pm »
Palilo is terrible too.  Zobrist should have been my lesson, but I listened all the way through his backstabbigns of Garner vis a vis the Towles bandwagon.  Then I was done with him for good.
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« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2008, 03:56:18 pm »
never have been able to listen to Palilo's show...his voice drives me insane.  How the hell do you get on radio with a voice like that???

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« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2008, 03:57:30 pm »
never have been able to listen to Palilo's show...his voice drives me insane.  How the hell do you get on radio with a voice like that???

It's funny when he and Delotti (for the record, I like Delotti) start to banter away and the octaves get higher and higher with each word.
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« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2008, 03:59:06 pm »
It's funny when he and Delotti (for the record, I like Delotti) start to banter away and the octaves get higher and higher with each word.

almost sorry I've missed that

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« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2008, 04:05:23 pm »
never have been able to listen to Palilo's show...his voice drives me insane.  How the hell do you get on radio with a voice like that???

Well, he's no Carl Dukes!

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« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2008, 04:35:13 pm »
John McClain is a tool.  See how opinions can differ?
How is he a tool?

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« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2008, 04:40:56 pm »
How is he a tool?

a) If he's talking about anything that isn't NFL football, he's completely out of his depth.
b) He is very, very often wrong about the team he is supposed to be covering...not talking about columns...talking about his facts.
c) As he's got a gig on the radio, he's decided that he has to be funny to be entertaining.  He is decidedly not funny.
d) He's given Anna Megan Raley a outlet for her nonsense.

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« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2008, 04:42:07 pm »
a) If he's talking about anything that isn't NFL football, he's completely out of his depth.
b) He is very, very often wrong about the team he is supposed to be covering...not talking about columns...talking about his facts.
c) As he's got a gig on the radio, he's decided that he has to be funny to be entertaining.  He is decidedly not funny.
d) He's given Anna Megan Raley a outlet for her nonsense.

you missed the fact he has the biggest ego on the planet and uses the radio to showcase it

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« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2008, 04:43:05 pm »
you missed the fact he has the biggest ego on the planet and uses the radio to showcase it

You've confused McClain and Justice.
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« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2008, 04:48:53 pm »
You've confused McClain and Justice.

Justice does not come across that way to me near as much as McClain...that is in no way saying Justice is ego-less

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« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2008, 05:30:47 pm »
a) If he's talking about anything that isn't NFL football, he's completely out of his depth.
b) He is very, very often wrong about the team he is supposed to be covering...not talking about columns...talking about his facts.
c) As he's got a gig on the radio, he's decided that he has to be funny to be entertaining.  He is decidedly not funny.
d) He's given Anna Megan Raley a outlet for her nonsense.
<Br>I agree with a c and d but I'm not aware of what facts he's getting wrong...I learn something new about the team every time I listen to him and I find his perspective to be a lot more intelligent and well-founded than anything McTaggert Justice or Feigen can come up with.  And I think he deserves credit for being one of the few Chron reporters who ISNT hated by the players he covers.

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« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2008, 05:45:33 pm »
I live in Austin and come to Houston about once every other month.  What the best local sports radio stations to listen to in Houston nowadays?  I see the sticky about 1560 The Game.  When is that good to listen to?


I live in Beamont and come to Houston about once every other month.  Where does this Brad Davies fellow live?  Next time I am over there, I think I'd like to perform a cup check on him.

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« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2008, 09:25:01 am »
And in the interest of fairness, when I have listened to Richard Justice, he's been pretty good.  Don't know if that is an abberation, but it's been my experience that he comes across as far more knowledgeable on the radio than he does in his columns.

That's because when you listen to Justass, it flashes by and your brain protects itself by giving it the old ole.  When you sit a read Justass, the brain can't help but process it, try to make sense of it, and then have you get up, walk across the room and throw a chair out the window.
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« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2008, 09:27:55 am »
John McClain is a tool.  See how opinions can differ?

I disagree.  "Tool" just doesn't cut it.  I'm not sure if its what he says, or that grating, dry monotone interspersed with a Jabbaesque tongue slobber that sounds disgusting on radio and may be even more horrifying in person.
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« Reply #31 on: June 10, 2008, 10:02:30 am »
McClain simply woke up one day and realized that he was dissatisfied with his role in life as a football scribe....he wanted "more."  It all started around the time he was interviewing former Oiler Bo Eason, who had written a one-man play that actually made it from here up to NYC.  He got so enamored with what Bo was doing that he started trying to pursue something similar, thinking with all the stories he had inventoried over the years that he might be able to write something genuinely funny. 

Seems John has a couple of influential friends in Hollywood whom he's tapped for advice and contacts, if we're to believe what he says on the air, guys he knows from his college connections.  Perhaps with their help, direction or simply advice he might break through some day.  Until that time, however, it's become genuinely annoying to tune in to hear football and other sports discussion, only to have to endure movie reviews, as well as critiques about this director, that screenwriter or somebody's acting.

Above all that, dude's got a voice for newspaper, though on the opposite scale from the diminutive tenor voiced Pallilo.  John sounds like he's running out of breath at times.  Is he perhaps an emphyema sufferer?

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« Reply #32 on: June 10, 2008, 12:06:06 pm »
I detect strong hints of jealousy abound

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« Reply #33 on: June 10, 2008, 12:15:44 pm »
I detect strong hints of jealousy abound

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« Reply #34 on: June 10, 2008, 12:18:22 pm »
I don't think anybody is jealous of these guys; I'm certainly not. We just wish they would quit inculcating the masses with bogus "information" about the teams we care about.
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« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2008, 12:21:17 pm »
you are FOS, but you know that.

You give him credit for a level of self-awareness that I do not.
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« Reply #36 on: June 10, 2008, 12:24:09 pm »
I don't think anybody is jealous of these guys; I'm certainly not. We just wish they would quit inculcating the masses with bogus "information" about the teams we care about.

I just wish they did their jobs better.  Everything must be taken with a grain of salt in the Chronicle sports section
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« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2008, 12:25:15 pm »
I just wish they did their jobs better.  Everything must be taken with a grain of salt in the Chronicle

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« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2008, 12:28:48 pm »
I just wish they did their jobs better.  Everything must be taken with a grain of salt in the Chronicle sports section

All they're concerned with is increasing circulation and hits to the website.  That's business but it's not the best way to provide information.  Giving people what they want, and nothing that challenges or increases their current point of view, essentially refeeding them their own regurgitated opinions, doesn't increase knowledge in any topic.

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« Reply #39 on: June 10, 2008, 12:31:10 pm »
All they're concerned with is increasing circulation and hits to the website.  That's business but it's not the best way to provide information. 

That's the fine line right there.  They have every reason to be concerned with that.   I certainly would be if i had a job there.  I imagine what i'm looking for and what they are trying to provide just don't match up real well
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« Reply #40 on: June 10, 2008, 04:49:21 pm »
I detect strong hints of jealousy abound

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« Reply #41 on: June 10, 2008, 06:10:30 pm »
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« Reply #42 on: June 10, 2008, 07:07:39 pm »
legs_of_eggs finally revealed his true identity...

You're damn right I'm jealous.  I'm jealous of the no talent, self aggrandizing, fatuous, simpering clowns who have credentials for access to information, the platform to present it and the job that allows them to concentrate on crafting the stories that could explain Astros baseball to us.  And yet they fritter away all these advantages with their incompetence, promoting their petty vanities, grasping, ultimately ludicrous ambitions (far beyond their abilities) and transparently manipulative agendas.  Could I do it better?  NO! I don't have the fucking training, but I am a reader and all I want to be is a fan.  I would fucking appreciate a little mother fucking help.  Instead I have to sift and glean and haunt a fan site to obtain the minimum information necessary to appreciate a fairly simple game.  Douche nozzles.

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« Reply #43 on: June 10, 2008, 07:25:44 pm »
You're damn right I'm jealous.  I'm jealous of the no talent, self aggrandizing, fatuous, simpering clowns who have credentials for access to information, the platform to present it and the job that allows them to concentrate on crafting the stories that could explain Astros baseball to us.  And yet they fritter away all these advantages with their incompetence, promoting their petty vanities, grasping, ultimately ludicrous ambitions (far beyond their abilities) and transparently manipulative agendas.  Could I do it better?  NO! I don't have the fucking training, but I am a reader and all I want to be is a fan.  I would fucking appreciate a little mother fucking help.  Instead I have to sift and glean and haunt a fan site to obtain the minimum information necessary to appreciate a fairly simple game.  Douche nozzles.


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« Reply #44 on: June 10, 2008, 10:35:40 pm »
I detect strong hints of jealousy abound

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« Reply #45 on: June 10, 2008, 11:25:39 pm »
I just wish they did their jobs better.  Everything must be taken with a grain of salt in the Chronicle sports section

I know we spend a lot of time grousing about the Chronicle's sports section. At least I do. But in reality it's nowhere close to the worst section in the paper. Breeze through the business section over the next couple of days and let me know what you think. Houston is one of the key economic cities on planet earth and the best the Chronicle can do is a couple of perfunctory AP stories and a Maxine Messengeresque spread of which local executives have landed new jobs.
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« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2008, 12:40:05 am »
I know we spend a lot of time grousing about the Chronicle's sports section. At least I do. But in reality it's nowhere close to the worst section in the paper. Breeze through the business section over the next couple of days and let me know what you think. Houston is one of the key economic cities on planet earth and the best the Chronicle can do is a couple of perfunctory AP stories and a Maxine Messengeresque spread of which local executives have landed new jobs.

the thing that's always baffled me about houston ever since i was a kid is the pronounced 'little ol' city' mindset that it seems to have about a lot of things.  beneath the "everything's bigger in texas" schtick is a certain Springfieldian fascination with any local thing that gets noticed by the national media, and a hyperbolic pride for civic landmarks and institutions.   the city canonizes b and c-listers like clay walker, rick trevino, matress mac, and andy pettitte, and self-applies a taj mahal-like reverence to places like reliant stadium and goode company barbecue.  the city produces front page articles in its leading newspaper about what restaurant sean penn is eating at, and gives full, dilligent local media coverage to random crap like a half-assed olympic bid or a major league soccer franchise.  there's this odd one-sided hatred/jealousy rivalry thing going on with dallas, a city that could give two shits about what houston does, and there's a sixth-street-style, rhinestone cowboy flirtation with the rodeo that almost undermines any real country credibility the city might have.  all this from the 4th largest city in the goddamned usa!  all this from the goddamned energy capital of the country at a time when the energy industry has the goddamned world by the goddamned balls!  all this, and you still waste your time worrying about how many dumps zz top took before they were famous.  stop fucking around houston!  put down the pappasitos and grab a seat at the big kids table!


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the thing that's always baffled me about houston ever since i was a kid is the pronounced 'little ol' city' mindset that it seems to have about a lot of things.  beneath the "everything's bigger in texas" schtick is a certain Springfieldian fascination with any local thing that gets noticed by the national media, and a hyperbolic pride for civic landmarks and institutions.   the city canonizes b and c-listers like clay walker, rick trevino, matress mac, and andy pettitte, and self-applies a taj mahal-like reverence to places like reliant stadium and goode company barbecue.  the city produces front page articles in its leading newspaper about what restaurant sean penn is eating at, and gives full, dilligent local media coverage to random crap like a half-assed olympic bid or a major league soccer franchise.  there's this odd one-sided hatred/jealousy rivalry thing going on with dallas, a city that could give two shits about what houston does, and there's a sixth-street-style, rhinestone cowboy flirtation with the rodeo that almost undermines any real country credibility the city might have.  all this from the 4th largest city in the goddamned usa!  all this from the goddamned energy capital of the country at a time when the energy industry has the goddamned world by the goddamned balls!  all this, and you still waste your time worrying about how many dumps zz top took before they were famous.  stop fucking around houston!  put down the pappasitos and grab a seat at the big kids table!

Wow, you're bitter.  You must have gotten your ass kicked in Houston before.
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« Reply #48 on: June 11, 2008, 08:24:56 am »
the thing that's always baffled me about houston ever since i was a kid is the pronounced 'little ol' city' mindset that it seems to have about a lot of things.  beneath the "everything's bigger in texas" schtick is a certain Springfieldian fascination with any local thing that gets noticed by the national media, and a hyperbolic pride for civic landmarks and institutions.   the city canonizes b and c-listers like clay walker, rick trevino, matress mac, and andy pettitte, and self-applies a taj mahal-like reverence to places like reliant stadium and goode company barbecue.  the city produces front page articles in its leading newspaper about what restaurant sean penn is eating at, and gives full, dilligent local media coverage to random crap like a half-assed olympic bid or a major league soccer franchise.  there's this odd one-sided hatred/jealousy rivalry thing going on with dallas, a city that could give two shits about what houston does, and there's a sixth-street-style, rhinestone cowboy flirtation with the rodeo that almost undermines any real country credibility the city might have.  all this from the 4th largest city in the goddamned usa!  all this from the goddamned energy capital of the country at a time when the energy industry has the goddamned world by the goddamned balls!  all this, and you still waste your time worrying about how many dumps zz top took before they were famous.  stop fucking around houston!  put down the pappasitos and grab a seat at the big kids table!




Actually, I'm okay with everything you said about Houston (as I happen to like it this way) except for the fact that Houston is somehow inferior to Dallas.  I lived in Dallas and it is by far the biggest hole in Texas.  I loathe the place and I'm Texan, born and raised.  From the 214 Snobs to the 50K Millionaires.  The best thing about D/FW is Fort Worth.  Their idea of class and style is getting the "M" on the back of their beamer or the gold trim package for their Lexus/Infiniti.  The only significant difference between Dallas and Houston is the white trash in Dallas THINK they have more money.  Personally, I consider Dallas the sourthern most part of Oklahoma.  It helps me sleep better at night. 
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« Reply #49 on: June 11, 2008, 08:43:29 am »
There's only 214 snobs in Dallas?  No?  Oh.

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« Reply #50 on: June 11, 2008, 08:56:36 am »
There's only 214 snobs in Dallas?  No?  Oh.

It's not so much the presence as the percentages.
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« Reply #51 on: June 11, 2008, 09:12:28 am »
Actually, I'm okay with everything you said about Houston (as I happen to like it this way) except for the fact that Houston is somehow inferior to Dallas.  I lived in Dallas and it is by far the biggest hole in Texas.  I loathe the place and I'm Texan, born and raised.  From the 214 Snobs to the 50K Millionaires.  The best thing about D/FW is Fort Worth.  Their idea of class and style is getting the "M" on the back of their beamer or the gold trim package for their Lexus/Infiniti.  The only significant difference between Dallas and Houston is the white trash in Dallas THINK they have more money.  Personally, I consider Dallas the sourthern most part of Oklahoma.  It helps me sleep better at night. 

Forgive the redundancy, but Dan Jenkins couldn't have said THAT better, either.  My favorite off-the-wall Jenkins quote was on Roy Firestone's show a dozen or so years ago, when he said he had the perfect marketing slogan for Ft. Worth:  "If you want to see Atlanta, come to Dallas; if you want to see Texas, come to Ft. Worth." 

And I never realized that there were area code snobs in Dallas; I thought it was relegated more to zip codes.
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« Reply #52 on: June 11, 2008, 09:23:46 am »
You lost me as soon as you mentioned Goode Co. I won't stand for Jim Goode's good name to be dragged through the mud. You may not think the food is the best in the state, but damn if those beef fajitas (at the taqueria), jalapeno sausages (bbq) and campechana (seafood)  aren't mighty tasty.
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« Reply #53 on: June 11, 2008, 09:24:37 am »
All they're concerned with is increasing circulation and hits to the website.

Maybe they should re-book readings of the paper Chronicle to the Chronicle's website.
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« Reply #54 on: June 11, 2008, 09:28:55 am »
the thing that's always baffled me about houston ever since i was a kid is the pronounced 'little ol' city' mindset that it seems to have about a lot of things.  beneath the "everything's bigger in texas" schtick is a certain Springfieldian fascination with any local thing that gets noticed by the national media, and a hyperbolic pride for civic landmarks and institutions.   the city canonizes b and c-listers like clay walker, rick trevino, matress mac, and andy pettitte, and self-applies a taj mahal-like reverence to places like reliant stadium and goode company barbecue.  the city produces front page articles in its leading newspaper about what restaurant sean penn is eating at, and gives full, dilligent local media coverage to random crap like a half-assed olympic bid or a major league soccer franchise.  there's this odd one-sided hatred/jealousy rivalry thing going on with dallas, a city that could give two shits about what houston does, and there's a sixth-street-style, rhinestone cowboy flirtation with the rodeo that almost undermines any real country credibility the city might have.  all this from the 4th largest city in the goddamned usa!  all this from the goddamned energy capital of the country at a time when the energy industry has the goddamned world by the goddamned balls!  all this, and you still waste your time worrying about how many dumps zz top took before they were famous.  stop fucking around houston!  put down the pappasitos and grab a seat at the big kids table!

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« Reply #55 on: June 11, 2008, 09:30:24 am »
Maybe they should re-book readings of the paper Chronicle to the Chronicle's website.

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« Reply #56 on: June 11, 2008, 09:37:03 am »
the thing that's always baffled me about houston ever since i was a kid is the pronounced 'little ol' city' mindset that it seems to have about a lot of things.  beneath the "everything's bigger in texas" schtick is a certain Springfieldian fascination with any local thing that gets noticed by the national media, and a hyperbolic pride for civic landmarks and institutions.   the city canonizes b and c-listers like clay walker, rick trevino, matress mac, and andy pettitte, and self-applies a taj mahal-like reverence to places like reliant stadium and goode company barbecue.  the city produces front page articles in its leading newspaper about what restaurant sean penn is eating at, and gives full, dilligent local media coverage to random crap like a half-assed olympic bid or a major league soccer franchise.  there's this odd one-sided hatred/jealousy rivalry thing going on with dallas, a city that could give two shits about what houston does, and there's a sixth-street-style, rhinestone cowboy flirtation with the rodeo that almost undermines any real country credibility the city might have.  all this from the 4th largest city in the goddamned usa!  all this from the goddamned energy capital of the country at a time when the energy industry has the goddamned world by the goddamned balls!  all this, and you still waste your time worrying about how many dumps zz top took before they were famous.  stop fucking around houston!  put down the pappasitos and grab a seat at the big kids table!




The thing I've noticed in my (limited) travels is that Houstonians as a whole seem to have something of an inferiority complex when it comes to their city.  I'm basing this on the look at me stuff you mention, but also on the fact that the people I know who appreciate Houston the most aren't from here, and for the most part aren't from Texas.

On the other hand, Dallas is a rich girl who thinks she's better looking than she is. 

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« Reply #57 on: June 11, 2008, 09:38:22 am »
You lost me as soon as you mentioned Goode Co. I won't stand for Jim Goode's good name to be dragged through the mud. You may not think the food is the best in the state, but damn if those beef fajitas (at the taqueria), jalapeno sausages (bbq) and campechana (seafood)  aren't mighty tasty.

Native Houstonian here...can't stand Goode Co.  Never have liked it.

Of course, I like Pizzatola's and Luling City Market, so what do I know?

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« Reply #58 on: June 11, 2008, 09:41:49 am »
The thing I've noticed in my (limited) travels is that Houstonians as a whole seem to have something of an inferiority complex when it comes to their city.  I'm basing this on the look at me stuff you mention, but also on the fact that the people I know who appreciate Houston the most aren't from here, and for the most part aren't from Texas.

On the other hand, Dallas is a rich girl who thinks she's better looking than she is. 

Agree.  I haven't lived in Houston for a long time, so maybe I have some objectivity about it.  In that regard, who gives a fuck about what Dallas or LA or New York thinks about it?  For its many faults, Houston and Houstonians largely don't talk the talk, they walk the walk.
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« Reply #59 on: June 11, 2008, 09:44:17 am »
Native Houstonian here...can't stand Goode Co.  Never have liked it.

Of course, I like Pizzatola's and Luling City Market, so what do I know?

Had Goode for the first time last weekend (weren't no such thang where I grew up/lived in town before now). The beef brisket was good, but I think I still prefer Hickory Hollow over anything else I've had in town.
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« Reply #60 on: June 11, 2008, 09:45:53 am »
Agree.  I haven't lived in Houston for a long time, so maybe I have some objectivity about it.  In that regard, who gives a fuck about what Dallas or LA or New York thinks about it?  For its many faults, Houston and Houstonians largely don't talk the talk, they walk the walk.

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« Reply #61 on: June 11, 2008, 09:47:25 am »
The thing I've noticed in my (limited) travels is that Houstonians as a whole seem to have something of an inferiority complex when it comes to their city.  I'm basing this on the look at me stuff you mention, but also on the fact that the people I know who appreciate Houston the most aren't from here, and for the most part aren't from Texas.

On the other hand, Dallas is a rich girl who thinks she's better looking than she is. 

I enjoy living in Houston.  Won't say "love", but I also couldn't say anywhere I've been that I would prefer living and working in more.  I much prefer warm to cold and wet (and grey and miserable and damp and...) and so I'm ok to endure the summer heat for the rest-of-year weather.

The "problem" with Houston, is there's really nothing interesting here for visitors.  Of course, this is the same for virtually every other modern city in the US (and elsewhere) so there's no reason for Houstonians to have a complex about it.  But they do, I suspect because it is such an important business centre that there's a desire to be New York of the south or some such.  Never going to happen, but there's nothing wrong in that.
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« Reply #62 on: June 11, 2008, 09:50:51 am »
Yep, native Houstonian, but it's not like I keep a lock of Jim Goode's thick black beard on my person. I grew up (and out) on those beef fajitas, so it might just be a nostalgia thing with me. I've certainly heard my share of criticisms about their food before.
 
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« Reply #63 on: June 11, 2008, 09:51:10 am »
The "problem" with Houston, is there's really nothing interesting here for visitors.

Agreed. That's probably the single biggest "lack" for a city this size. However, my youngest sister has lived in Los Angeles since 1999, and I've been out there frequently enough and long enough to see how completely unappealing it would be living in an area with a more or less steady stream of tourists and "visitors." No thanks. When we have out of town guests, we ask what they would like to do, and short of geographic impossibilities (snow skiing, mountain climbing) we can generally find it in town, or within 90 minutes of town. So, not a personal issue, for me at least.
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« Reply #64 on: June 11, 2008, 09:52:21 am »
Houston needs to make a "commitment."
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« Reply #65 on: June 11, 2008, 09:54:59 am »
Houston needs to make a "commitment."

Well, if Houston would start trusting it's stuff...

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« Reply #66 on: June 11, 2008, 09:56:48 am »
There are tons of things to do in Houston, but Houston is not a tourist city.  San Antonio is a tourist city.  That is one of their main industries. 
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« Reply #67 on: June 11, 2008, 10:01:02 am »
Well, if Houston would start trusting it's stuff...

Maybe Dallas could stand in for a few pitches and tell Houston what its doing wrong.
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« Reply #68 on: June 11, 2008, 10:01:29 am »
I enjoy living in Houston.  Won't say "love", but I also couldn't say anywhere I've been that I would prefer living and working in more.  I much prefer warm to cold and wet (and grey and miserable and damp and...) and so I'm ok to endure the summer heat for the rest-of-year weather.

The "problem" with Houston, is there's really nothing interesting here for visitors.  Of course, this is the same for virtually every other modern city in the US (and elsewhere) so there's no reason for Houstonians to have a complex about it.  But they do, I suspect because it is such an important business centre that there's a desire to be New York of the south or some such.  Never going to happen, but there's nothing wrong in that.

One thing we (my wife and I) really miss about Houston is the diversity of cuisine.  Houston holds no back seat to any major burgh on the different ethnic cuisine, however very few people acknowledge it.  Houston is no ranch style beans and bar-b-que town, far from it.  You can get anything ethnic food you want and then some.  You have Louisianna influences, central Texas, Norteno, seafood, northeastern, southwest, et. al.  Nothing pretentious, very much the cuisine that is earthy and very good.

I've been to places like SF and San Diego (for example) and while I love the local fair (it is outstanding food), they don't compare to the *variety of earthy food* you get in Houston.  About the best that can compare is New York.
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« Reply #69 on: June 11, 2008, 10:05:36 am »
One thing we (my wife and I) really miss about Houston is the diversity of cuisine.

Don't worry.  Tillman's working hard on making this a non-issue.
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« Reply #70 on: June 11, 2008, 10:06:48 am »
Don't worry.  Tillman's working hard on making this a non-issue.

true, but you know that there are ton's of non-tillman places to chose.
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« Reply #71 on: June 11, 2008, 10:07:40 am »
I enjoy living in Houston.  Won't say "love", but I also couldn't say anywhere I've been that I would prefer living and working in more.  I much prefer warm to cold and wet (and grey and miserable and damp and...) and so I'm ok to endure the summer heat for the rest-of-year weather.

The "problem" with Houston, is there's really nothing interesting here for visitors.  Of course, this is the same for virtually every other modern city in the US (and elsewhere) so there's no reason for Houstonians to have a complex about it.  But they do, I suspect because it is such an important business centre that there's a desire to be New York of the south or some such.  Never going to happen, but there's nothing wrong in that.

Things to do in or around Houston:
NASA
Galveston/Bolivar
An uncountable number of decent, affordable golf courses
Professional Sports teams NOT owned by Jerry Jones, Mark Cuban, or Tom Hicks (owners who are "bigger than the game", Hicks being the exception, he's just clueless when it comes to baseball).
You can find any type of ethnic food you want, anywhere in town (in other words, diversity). 

The sole positive Dallas possesses over Houston is the Dallas Arboretum.  And NO ONE EVER GOES THERE!  In Dallas, you have to go to "The Cliff" to get good mexican food.  A little less south for good asian food.  What Dallas calls italian, I consider no better than Olive Garden quality.  Their barbecue is suspect (Just try Red, Hot, and Blue!  I dare you).  Hell, even the best museum in D/FW is in Fort Worth. 

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« Reply #72 on: June 11, 2008, 10:08:55 am »
Don't worry.  Tillman's working hard on making this a non-issue.

Oohpah!

Yup, as long as Pappasitos is held up as the best... ahum... not sure what, then there is the counter-balance to it all.  One thing I felt very bad about was when Doneraki became a mere shell of what it was back in the day.  They decided they liked to be the next Pappasitos and threw everything they were doing right out the window in the process

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« Reply #73 on: June 11, 2008, 10:16:06 am »
Oohpah!

Yup, as long as Pappasitos is held up as the best... ahum... not sure what, then there is the counter-balance to it all.  One thing I felt very bad about was when Doneraki became a mere shell of what it was back in the day.  They decided they liked to be the next Pappasitos and threw everything they were doing right out the window in the process

This is like the Olive Garden conversation...Pappasitos serves decent food.  It isn't authentic, and it isn't the best thing people could possibly eat (that's obviously Casa Olé), but thousands of people do like it.  Which is good for me, because it keeps the general public out of Spanish Flowers...

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You're damn right I'm jealous.  I'm jealous of the no talent, self aggrandizing, fatuous, simpering clowns who have credentials for access to information, the platform to present it and the job that allows them to concentrate on crafting the stories that could explain Astros baseball to us.  And yet they fritter away all these advantages with their incompetence, promoting their petty vanities, grasping, ultimately ludicrous ambitions (far beyond their abilities) and transparently manipulative agendas.  Could I do it better?  NO! I don't have the fucking training, but I am a reader and all I want to be is a fan.  I would fucking appreciate a little mother fucking help.  Instead I have to sift and glean and haunt a fan site to obtain the minimum information necessary to appreciate a fairly simple game.  Douche nozzles.

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« Reply #75 on: June 11, 2008, 10:24:07 am »
Maybe Dallas could stand in for a few pitches and tell Houston what its doing wrong.

dallas sucks, but unlike houston dallas fully (and arrogantly) thinks of itself as a world class city, a city where visitors should kiss the fucking ground before entering.  houston has a certain "oh, thank you for coming to our little ol' city" complex, which i've never understood.  as noe mentioned, houston is a richly diverse city and as chuck mentioned is a world economic power, so my point is to wonder why the insecurity and why the pride for second-class things like those i mentioned in my previous post.  when i was a kid, i always thought it kind-of lame when oiler fans would start doing these "cowboys suck" chants, and taking that preseason houston-dallas game so seriously, when it was clear that cowboys fans clearly had almost no regard for it.  when the texans beat the cowboys in that first game, people were ready to light cars on fire, were spray painting the score along I-45, and to me it just makes houston look like some small town full of rubes.

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« Reply #76 on: June 11, 2008, 10:32:13 am »
true, but you know that there are ton's of non-tillman places to chose.

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« Reply #77 on: June 11, 2008, 10:33:55 am »
dallas sucks, but unlike houston dallas fully (and arrogantly) thinks of itself as a world class city, a city where visitors should kiss the fucking ground before entering.  houston has a certain "oh, thank you for coming to our little ol' city" complex, which i've never understood.  as noe mentioned, houston is a richly diverse city and as chuck mentioned is a world economic power, so my point is to wonder why the insecurity and why the pride for second-class things like those i mentioned in my previous post.  when i was a kid, i always thought it kind-of lame when oiler fans would start doing these "cowboys suck" chants, and taking that preseason houston-dallas game so seriously, when it was clear that cowboys fans clearly had almost no regard for it.  when the texans beat the cowboys in that first game, people were ready to light cars on fire, were spray painting the score along I-45, and to me it just makes houston look like some small town full of rubes.

Is this about the Oilers/Cowboys?  That is whole nutter and very different conversation altogether.  As a Houstonian, I've never had the attitude that we were inferior to anybody, especially the poser that is Dallas.

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« Reply #78 on: June 11, 2008, 10:34:03 am »
Oohpah!

Yup, as long as Pappasitos is held up as the best... ahum... not sure what, then there is the counter-balance to it all.  One thing I felt very bad about was when Doneraki became a mere shell of what it was back in the day.  They decided they liked to be the next Pappasitos and threw everything they were doing right out the window in the process

Now Los Cucos is popping up everywhere, making Taco Cabana look authentic.
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I ued to have a journalism teacher that told me there were two main kinds of sportswriters: (a) has-been athletes and (b) wannabe athletes, and the latter far outweigh the former. They're the people that couldn't do, so they use their pulpit to pretend they're experts, and to bellyache about whatever is on their mind at present, which as often as not, contradicts what was on their mind a day ago. And because they're sports journalists (the next-to-lowest caste in journalism, slightly eclipsing their entertainment brethren) they must occasionally legitimize their work, which manifests itself in the kind of flowery bombast made famous by your Rick Reilly types, who over-do the "sports as a microcosm for society" metaphors and slam anyone that doesn't follow his or her archetype for "playing the game the right way." So you don't get people that make a career out of sportswriting because they love the game, you get people that make a career out of sportswriting because they have an axe to grind, or because they can make themselves semi-famous at the expense of those who can do what they only dream of being able to do.

There are a lot of fans too who think they can do better.  Maybe some have natural abilities, but bottom line is that sports reporting is still reporting and there are skills that apply.  Learned skills that takes training.   Maybe some people have innate abilities and could just step right in, but the sad part is that these people trained to do this job and they don't.   The other type of fan is the ones who think they could be the manager or the GM, it's sometimes pretty obvious just by looking at them they couldn't be a player.  These types also believe there are no special skills or experience required for these jobs other than what they could pick up as a hobby.  I don't aspire to either of these jobs.  I just want to be a reader, and I am an expert at that, and a fan, which keeps me curious. 

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Maybe some people have inane abilities and could just step right in...

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There are a lot of fans too who think they can do better.  Maybe some have natural abilities, but bottom line is that sports reporting is still reporting and there are skills that apply.  Learned skills that takes training.   Maybe some people have innate abilities and could just step right in, but the sad part is that these people trained to do this job and they don't.   The other type of fan is the ones who think they could be the manager or the GM, it's sometimes pretty obvious just by looking at them they couldn't be a player.  These types also believe there are no special skills or experience required for these jobs other than what they could pick up as a hobby.  I don't aspire to either of these jobs.  I just want to be a reader, and I am an expert at that, and a fan, which keeps me curious. 

One thing that has happened to the sports journalism when it comes to baseball is the growth of fantasy baseball.  I'm not talking about sabremetrics when I mention fantasy baseball, but somehow this was a perfect storm for baseball journalist.  I don't think they know how to make the distinction quite honestly.  So when you add the need for some journalist to be entertainers coupled with the ammo provided by sabre and fantasy baseball, the reality is pushed aside and what you get is over the top reporting.

"He sucks!  Get rid of him!" is easier to say when you have a fantasy baseball mentality to the game.  But it's hardly informed.  When you cannot distinguish clearly what a baseball person is saying to you when they talk "approach" and certain keys that they've seen in the game of a player or pitcher, you simply dismiss it as information that is made up by the organization man or manager.  The attitude is then one of not listening to what you then convince yourself is b.s. (when it isn't, it's actually baseball) coming from men who are trying to inform not only you, but the audience at large.  The reporters and media get further and further away from understanding baseball as the sport should be understood and they replace it with the neo fanta-crap stuff that makes it easy for them to get away from elevating their understanding.

When Ken Griffey Jr once called Dan Patrick and Stewart Scott to complain about the tired and continued praise heaped on Jim Edmonds as a "great" centerfielder, that made some news.  But it accents what the gap is between the reporters/entertainer/media types being really comfortable with their surface level understanding and what makes a baseball player/manager roll their eyes.

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« Reply #82 on: June 11, 2008, 10:53:50 am »
I ued to have a journalism teacher that told me there were two main kinds of sportswriters: (a) has-been athletes and (b) wannabe athletes, and the latter far outweigh the former. They're the people that couldn't do, so they use their pulpit to pretend they're experts, and to bellyache about whatever is on their mind at present, which as often as not, contradicts what was on their mind a day ago. [snip] or because they can make themselves semi-famous at the expense of those who can do what they only dream of being able to do.

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« Reply #83 on: June 11, 2008, 10:54:07 am »
Is this about the Oilers/Cowboys?  That is whole nutter and very different conversation altogether.  As a Houstonian, I've never had the attitude that we were inferior to anybody, especially the poser that is Dallas.

Never.

i think the oilers/cowboys thing is a symptom of what i'm talking about.  it's really a media thing, and it's certainly open for debate about how much the media reflects the mindsets of its citizens.  but i always recall things like the way the media, and not just the sports media, would follow some high school football team that made it to the state semifinals or something.  they covered it in a very similar way to the way a truly small town would cover it ("our little boys making it big").  houston probably has more high schools than any other city in the state, and so a team to emerge from the city is already state-class, and it would probably be a bigger story if an area high school team didn't go to state, but people just don't seem to take that kind of outlook

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« Reply #84 on: June 11, 2008, 10:55:37 am »
Now Los Cucos is popping up everywhere, making Taco Cabana look authentic.

Taco Cabana gave itself the Doneraki treatment times a thousand. Growing up in San Antonio, a trip to TC (or, briefly Sombrera Rosa) was an accessible and quick, but definately authentic experience. There were five or six locations and they all used fresh ingredients and made everything from scratch. Now, swinging by Taco Cabana is certainly worlds away from Taco Bell, but it is also worlds away from what it originally was.

But I'm happy for their success and would have killed to have TC of today right around the corner when I was living in Boston for seven years.
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i think the oilers/cowboys thing is a symptom of what i'm talking about.

I disagree.  That's about football and this being Texas, football makes folks very parochial.  It's like the attitudes between Odessa and Midland.  They don't have to be big cities to have the attitudes in football about each other.  And it seems to stream into attitudes about each city.

But in general, football aside, Dallas has an attitude about itself that is about maintaining the plastic views about themselves.  Houstonians, we love to point out that this emporer has absolutely no clothes, even if they wear a label that says Gucci.

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« Reply #86 on: June 11, 2008, 11:01:42 am »
Taco Cabana gave itself the Doneraki treatment times a thousand. Growing up in San Antonio, a trip to TC (or, briefly Sombrera Rosa) was an accessible and quick, but definately authentic experience. There were five or six locations and they all used fresh ingredients and made everything from scratch. Now, swinging by Taco Cabana is certainly worlds away from Taco Bell, but it is also worlds away from what it originally was.

But I'm happy for their success and would have killed to have TC of today right around the corner when I was living in Boston for seven years.

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« Reply #87 on: June 11, 2008, 11:02:21 am »
i think the oilers/cowboys thing is a symptom of what i'm talking about.  it's really a media thing, and it's certainly open for debate about how much the media reflects the mindsets of its citizens.  but i always recall things like the way the media, and not just the sports media, would follow some high school football team that made it to the state semifinals or something.  they covered it in a very similar way to the way a truly small town would cover it ("our little boys making it big").  houston probably has more high schools than any other city in the state, and so a team to emerge from the city is already state-class, and it would probably be a bigger story if an area high school team didn't go to state, but people just don't seem to take that kind of outlook

But most cities do this.  I've spent no great amount of time in NYC, but Boston, Seattle, Los Angeles, Atlanta, Philadelphia all make pretty big deals of local high school teams doing well.  This isn't unique to Houston, or even Texas (as Dallas, San Antonio and Austin all do the same thing).

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« Reply #88 on: June 11, 2008, 11:05:26 am »
Taco Cabana gave itself the Doneraki treatment times a thousand. Growing up in San Antonio, a trip to TC (or, briefly Sombrera Rosa) was an accessible and quick, but definately authentic experience. There were five or six locations and they all used fresh ingredients and made everything from scratch. Now, swinging by Taco Cabana is certainly worlds away from Taco Bell, but it is also worlds away from what it originally was.

But I'm happy for their success and would have killed to have TC of today right around the corner when I was living in Boston for seven years.

I'd kill for a Taco Cabana around the corner from me right now. I've never been to a place so devoid of anything even resembling Tex Mex as the Tampa Bay area.

When I lived in San Antonio there was one Taco Cabana, Hildebrand and San Pedro. It was nothing like any you see now. Of course, that was 25 years ago.
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I'd kill for a Taco Cabana around the corner from me right now. I've never been to a place so devoid of anything even resembling Tex Mex as the Tampa Bay area.

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When I lived in San Antonio there was one Taco Cabana, Hildebrand and San Pedro. It was nothing like any you see now. Of course, that was 25 years ago.

It's still there.

Speaking of San Antonio institutions that have fancied themselves up over the years, I was in town for a conference last month at the Hill Country Hyatt (which isn't in the Hill Country at all, but that's beside the point), and figured I'd drive past Henry's Puffy Tacos for lunch on my way out of town. I went to what I still considered the "new" location, which is at Woodlawn and Bandera in what used to be a Luby's. Henry's moved there from its smaller original place 12 or so years ago. I pull up, and it's a "Lucy's Tacqueria" now. A little confused a very distressed, I walk in and ask the guy at the counter what happened to Henry's. Apparantly they moved nine or so months ago to a newer nicer location just outside the loop on Bandera.

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I love puffy tacos.  thanks for the reminder.
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I love puffy tacos.  thanks for the reminder.

I can't think of a man that doesn't enjoy a puffy taco as often as possible.

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I once found a Tex-Mex restaurant in Bergen, Norway.

I ate "mexican" food in the Ginza District of Tokyo.  Tecate never tasted so good.

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I can't think of a man that doesn't enjoy a puffy taco as often as possible.

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Or watching a chick eating one.

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I ate "mexican" food in the Ginza District of Tokyo.  Tecate never tasted so good.



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« Reply #98 on: June 11, 2008, 11:40:09 am »
Two Pesos kicked Taco Cabana's ass! That is, until they went out of business and became Taco Cabanas themselves.

Actually, the founders of both were family.  Let's just say I have an unfortunate employment past involving one or both of those chains.  The downfall wasn't when one family member split to start Two Pesos.  No, the downfall came when they franchised and the franchisees wanted profit margin over quality.  The current state of Taco Cabana is directly related to the desire to go big and go mainstream and that led to poor ingredient quality.  Taco Cabana can still make a one of the best cheese enchiladas you can find.  But you have to sift thru the creamy chicken enchilada and whatever gimmick they have running this month.  They also make good Pico De Gallo (assuming it's fresh) and a pretty fair quesadilla, if you like them.  From a former insider, stay away from the frijoles (their borracho beans used to be okay, but depends heavily on the mgr on duty monitoring them so they don't spoil) and soft chicken tacos.

Oh, and Two Pesos didn't go bankrupt.  They were sued by Taco Cabana (or so the rumor was) for trademark infringement as Two Pesos was  basicly the same restaurant, menu and all, with a different color scheme.  Taco Cabana won, needless to say, and where once stood a turquois Two Pesos should now stand a pink Taco Cabana. 
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« Reply #99 on: June 11, 2008, 11:41:04 am »
I ate "mexican" food in the Ginza District of Tokyo.  Tecate never tasted so good.



Try germany.  I think they used swiss cheese in place of any type of cheese normally used in mexican food. 
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I ued to have a journalism teacher that told me there were two main kinds of sportswriters: (a) has-been athletes and (b) wannabe athletes...

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Try germany.  I think they used swiss cheese in place of any type of cheese normally used in mexican food. 

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« Reply #102 on: June 11, 2008, 11:49:09 am »
dallas sucks, but unlike houston dallas fully (and arrogantly) thinks of itself as a world class city, a city where visitors should kiss the fucking ground before entering.  houston has a certain "oh, thank you for coming to our little ol' city" complex, which i've never understood.  as noe mentioned, houston is a richly diverse city and as chuck mentioned is a world economic power, so my point is to wonder why the insecurity and why the pride for second-class things like those i mentioned in my previous post.  when i was a kid, i always thought it kind-of lame when oiler fans would start doing these "cowboys suck" chants, and taking that preseason houston-dallas game so seriously, when it was clear that cowboys fans clearly had almost no regard for it.  when the texans beat the cowboys in that first game, people were ready to light cars on fire, were spray painting the score along I-45, and to me it just makes houston look like some small town full of rubes.

I don't detect this inferiority complex at all. If anything, we Texans (and Houstonians in particular) are damn proud of where we're from. I love being a Texan, and I love being a diehard fan of my hometown's pro sports teams. It's an essential part of who I am.

I do get sick of hearing how much Houston supposedly sucks from people who don't know the city and have never really lived there. I grew up in the heart of Montrose, pre-Bob Perry Gentrification Project, and whenever I find myself in these conversations about how Houston supposedly sucks ass, it's always a given that the other person grew up or lived in the shit burbs or was stuck visiting someone else who did. The Houston I grew up in was and is very cosmopolitan--world class food, world class museums and performing arts, world class medical center, and the home of the Greatest Baseball Organization to Ever Grace the Earth. Anyone who hates on Houston can kiss my ass.


As for the Cowboys/Oilers rivalry, that's a separate issue entirely. Speaking for myself only, I hated the Cowboys with a passion because I had a lot of extended family members (from Houston!) who called themselves Cowboys fans during the late 70's-early 80's. I was just a little kid then, enamored with Earl Campbell and all things Luv Ya Blue, but even as a young'un I was sickened by their frontrunneritis. Houston had the Oilers, and my douchey relatives were more interested in watching the team from Dallas! That was just unthinkable to me.

So, yeah, those rare Thanksgiving matchups between the Cowboys and Oilers were a very big deal to me.



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« Reply #103 on: June 11, 2008, 11:59:37 am »
Taco Cabana gave itself the Doneraki treatment times a thousand. Growing up in San Antonio, a trip to TC (or, briefly Sombrera Rosa) was an accessible and quick, but definately authentic experience. There were five or six locations and they all used fresh ingredients and made everything from scratch. Now, swinging by Taco Cabana is certainly worlds away from Taco Bell, but it is also worlds away from what it originally was.

But I'm happy for their success and would have killed to have TC of today right around the corner when I was living in Boston for seven years.

My brother took me to the original Taco Cabana on San Pedro in San Antonio waaaay back when (over twenty years ago).  It was as you said, very original and very good.  Very different than the Taco Cabana of today.

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« Reply #104 on: June 11, 2008, 12:28:01 pm »
I used to have an art teacher who once told me, art doesn't sell itself. People don't buy art, they buy what the artist sells.


Applies equally to journalism and Tex/Mex restaurants.

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Applies equally to journalism and Tex/Mex restaurants.

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As for the Cowboys/Oilers rivalry, that's a separate issue entirely. Speaking for myself only, I hated the Cowboys with a passion because I had a lot of extended family members (from Houston!) who called themselves Cowboys fans during the late 70's-early 80's. I was just a little kid then, enamored with Earl Campbell and all things Luv Ya Blue, but even as a young'un I was sickened by their frontrunneritis. Houston had the Oilers, and my douchey relatives were more interested in watching the team from Dallas! That was just unthinkable to me.

1000% agreement.   Also, since I moved from Texas about 10 years ago, I've discovered that there is an automatic assumption that everyone from Texas is a Cowboy fan.    I can't think of anything they could say to me which would make me want to smash their face in more (maybe only "the Rockets won their championships because Jordan wasn't playing", grr.).   

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« Reply #107 on: June 11, 2008, 01:28:58 pm »
I'd kill for a Taco Cabana around the corner from me right now. I've never been to a place so devoid of anything even resembling Tex Mex as the Tampa Bay area.

When I lived in San Antonio there was one Taco Cabana, Hildebrand and San Pedro. It was nothing like any you see now. Of course, that was 25 years ago.
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« Reply #108 on: June 11, 2008, 01:41:57 pm »
(maybe only "the Rockets won their championships because Jordan wasn't playing", grr.).  

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« Reply #109 on: June 11, 2008, 01:57:11 pm »
My brother took me to the original Taco Cabana on San Pedro in San Antonio waaaay back when (over twenty years ago).  It was as you said, very original and very good.  Very different than the Taco Cabana of today.

isn't there a businessman of indian ethnicity whose schtick is buying up underperforming chains and gutting their quality who is responsible for the deterioration of both taco cabana, james coney island, and ninfas?  anybody know that guy's name, or some of the other places he's ruined?

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« Reply #110 on: June 11, 2008, 01:58:29 pm »
I don't detect this inferiority complex at all. If anything, we Texans (and Houstonians in particular) are damn proud of where we're from. I love being a Texan, and I love being a diehard fan of my hometown's pro sports teams. It's an essential part of who I am.


there's no inferiority complex, but there is a small town complex in my opinion.

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« Reply #111 on: June 11, 2008, 02:02:35 pm »
Along Joey's inquiry, I might add that I miss what WAS Willie G's.  The quickest dropoff I noticed was in the quality of their key lime pie.  Some nights they even had friggin' coconut in it.  Now, I'm fine with coconut in a lot of different things, but you'd THINK a place would tell you, "Sir, we've added coconut to our key lime pie," if for years they had served it without.

That family has jacked over a LOT of the restaurants I used to love here.
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« Reply #112 on: June 11, 2008, 02:02:40 pm »
isn't there a businessman of indian ethnicity whose schtick is buying up underperforming chains and gutting their quality who is responsible for the deterioration of both taco cabana, james coney island, and ninfas?  anybody know that guy's name, or some of the other places he's ruined?

Wait, what's this about James Coney Island's deteriorating quality?

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Ninfa's On Navigation is owned by Legacy Restaurants, the other Ninfa's Tex-Mex restaurants are owned by various franchisees.

James Coney Island is owned by JCI, Inc.

Taco Cabana has been owned by Carrols Holdings Corporation Incorporated since 2001.

I don't think you can blame the changes at these eateries on the Indians.

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Ninfa's On Navigation is owned by Legacy Restaurants, the other Ninfa's Tex-Mex restaurants are owned by various franchisees.

James Coney Island is owned by JCI, Inc.

Taco Cabana has been owned by Carrols Holdings Corporation Incorporated since 2001.

I don't think you can blame the changes at these eateries on the Indians.

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« Reply #115 on: June 11, 2008, 02:15:13 pm »
There are a hundred good taquerias and taco trucks in Houston. I could give a fuck about what Taco Cabana or Ninfa's is doing. If the Wall Street Journal covered the Astros I wouldn't give a shit about the Chronicle, either.
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Taco Cabana has been owned by Carrols Holdings Corporation Incorporated since 2001.

Maybe Ty'll back me up on this, but Pollo Tropical, also owned by Carrols, is pretty damn decent for fast food.
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« Reply #117 on: June 11, 2008, 02:17:43 pm »
There are a hundred good taquerias and taco trucks in Houston. I could give a fuck about what Taco Cabana or Ninfa's is doing. If the Wall Street Journal covered the Astros I wouldn't give a shit about the Chronicle, either.

I think I'm going to Jarro Cafe this evening.  Screw Ninfas!

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« Reply #118 on: June 11, 2008, 02:19:22 pm »
The worst Mexican food I've ever had was in Sarasota.  Best Mexican food in Sarasota is what they claimed.

There are apparently a few really good places in Palmetto, just across the bay south of St. Pete, that are run by some Mexican families that came to the area to work the farms. I'm told by more than a few people they're the real deal but I've yet to try.
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« Reply #119 on: June 11, 2008, 02:19:44 pm »
Ninfa's On Navigation is owned by Legacy Restaurants, the other Ninfa's Tex-Mex restaurants are owned by various franchisees.

James Coney Island is owned by JCI, Inc.

Taco Cabana has been owned by Carrols Holdings Corporation Incorporated since 2001.

I don't think you can blame the changes at these eateries on the Indians.

ha!  must be a 1960 area urban legend.

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Maybe Ty'll back me up on this, but Pollo Tropical, also owned by Carrols, is pretty damn decent for fast food.

There used to be a fast food place called "Pollo Loco" a million years ago.  They had awesome roasted chicken, cooked just right with the proper Mexican seasoning and some fresh beans and rice with corn tortillas.  It was shockingly good for a fast food place.

And then *poof*, they were all gone!

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« Reply #121 on: June 11, 2008, 02:23:35 pm »
I think I'm going to Jarro Cafe this evening.

My folks live a block from that place, but we have never tried it.  I have been a loyal El Gallo customer since the mid 70s.  Is Jarro Cafe worth trying?

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« Reply #122 on: June 11, 2008, 02:25:45 pm »
Maybe Ty'll back me up on this, but Pollo Tropical, also owned by Carrols, is pretty damn decent for fast food.

I've only tried them once and that was a while ago. The one that was near me didn't last too long. If I recall, they're more a 'chicken and rice, spanish-carribean' style.
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« Reply #123 on: June 11, 2008, 02:25:47 pm »
There used to be a fast food place called "Pollo Loco" a million years ago.  They had awesome roasted chicken, cooked just right with the proper Mexican seasoning and some fresh beans and rice with corn tortillas.  It was shockingly good for a fast food place.

And then *poof*, they were all gone!

Next time you're in Houston, if you happen to be near Westheimer/Gessner there is a place called Pollo Feliz that is trying to duplicate this...it's evidently a pretty popular chain in Mexico...I can't decide if the restaurant is part of that chain, or someone franchised it...

But the chicken is pretty damn tasty.

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I think I'm going to Jarro Cafe this evening.  Screw Ninfas!

Used to be you could drive into the barrio that is Irvington or Harrisburg Ave area and get to any great Norteno Mexican restaurant of your chosing.  The original Doneraki's was on 74th street and Harrisburg and was just simply great food at very cheap prices.  Then they opened the Doneraki's on Irvington (on the very site of a burned down gasoline station left over from the Moody Riot) and they were doing some pretty fancy grill Norteno there.  After a while, you'd see plenty of folks from downtown in their white shirts and ties filling up the place, sometimes dragging their dates along (complete with the terrified faces on the women... "Your women... how much?  How much for the leedle gurl?").  Irvington was also known as "Cabrito Alley" to many of us.  It's very difficult to find open pit roasted goat other than the regions in Nuevo Leon, Mexico that are surrounded by cactus and prairie land.

I don't think you'd find that much on Irvington any more or so I think.  If so, any day someone would want to go have roasted goat with me, I'd welcome the company.

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« Reply #125 on: June 11, 2008, 02:29:38 pm »
Next time you're in Houston, if you happen to be near Westheimer/Gessner there is a place called Pollo Feliz that is trying to duplicate this...it's evidently a pretty popular chain in Mexico...I can't decide if the restaurant is part of that chain, or someone franchised it...

But the chicken is pretty damn tasty.

Done right, this type of roasted chicken is awesome!  Some of the best Norteno food around.

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Done right, this type of roasted chicken is awesome!  Some of the best Norteno food around.

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there's no inferiority complex, but there is a small town complex in my opinion.

Small Town and complex are not necessarily bad things.  Having a friendly small town appeal is actually very encouraging and sometimes part and parcel of being a Texan more than a Houstonian.  No matter how big Houston gets, it will never outgrown Texas and what it means to be Texan.  Dallas on the other hand should go ahead and declare independence from Texas because they are nothing like the rest of the state.  They traded their soul to the Cosmopolitan Devil many years ago and the fact that someone in Hollywood decided to make a television show called "Dallas" and made the characters more Ft. Worth is actually funny.

Friends of mine who come to Texas (and Houston) for the first time often comment how impressed they are by the generousity, the kindness, the manners, the way people treat each other in these parts.  I tell them "go to Dallas and you'll come away with a totally different opinion!".  But then again, Dallas is in no way Texas to me.  Houston?  You betcha!  And damn proud of it too!

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« Reply #128 on: June 11, 2008, 02:40:29 pm »
I swear there's still a Pollo Loco on Long Point somewhere.
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« Reply #129 on: June 11, 2008, 02:44:27 pm »
Ever try El Regio?

Nope, but since I live in NW Austin, I have a built in excuse.  But from what I understand, El Regio is eggszactly what I'm talking about: great roasted and flame grilled Mexican chicken, corn tortillas (screw the flour tortillas, this is Norteno we're talking about), borracho beans and rice, and really great green salsa (has to be green salsa to be great Norteno chicken).  Those taste just explode in your mouth, it is so good.
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There used to be a fast food place called "Pollo Loco" a million years ago.  They had awesome roasted chicken, cooked just right with the proper Mexican seasoning and some fresh beans and rice with corn tortillas.  It was shockingly good for a fast food place.

And then *poof*, they were all gone!
Sounds like the same place as the El Pollo Loco's out here in Cali.  Same type of food your describing and it's really good for fast food.  They have a new competitor called Charo Chicken but it's not as good.

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« Reply #131 on: June 11, 2008, 02:46:54 pm »
I swear there's still a Pollo Loco on Long Point somewhere.

Probably not the same.  The Pollo Loco I remember was a chain and did really well.  Then went away for some reason.  All of them.  The one you're talking about is probably not the same chain.

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« Reply #132 on: June 11, 2008, 02:47:52 pm »
Sounds like the same place as the El Pollo Loco's out here in Cali.  Same type of food your describing and it's really good for fast food.  They have a new competitor called Charo Chicken but it's not as good.

THAT'S IT!  "El Pollo Loco", fast food... great for the chain type of store.  Thanks, that is it!

ETA: Looking at their menu, they've changed a little to compete with Taco Bell I guess, but the signature of the place was the marinated flame-grilled chicken (I said roasted before and was wrong, it was grilled and you could watch them do it too).  And I don't remember the beans being pinto.  If they were, they were highly seasoned like borracho beans.  But there is no denying the grill chicken with corn tortilla taste with green salsa.  Excellent.
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Most folks I talk to from here who have been to Houston have good things to say about the city. Dallas, not so much.
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« Reply #134 on: June 11, 2008, 02:51:25 pm »
THAT'S IT!  "El Pollo Loco", fast food... great for the chain type of store.  Thanks, that is it!
Yeah they're everywhere out here.  Great food for a place with a drive-thru.  Del Tacos reign supreme too but they're more of a competitor to Taco Bell then El Pollo Loco. Actually, I will trade you some El Pollo Locos for some Whataburgers.

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Most folks I talk to from here who have been to Houston have good things to say about the city. Dallas, not so much.

I had friends from Jacksonville, FL come visit last year for the first time ever in Texas.  They were amazed by the Texas attitudes and generosity around here.  They went to Houston for a few days and loved it there for pretty much the same reason.  Then they went to Dallas and were back to the caustic, screw you, me-first-get-out-my-way attitudes they're used to from people who move to Jacksonville from the Northeast.  They asked me "what happened to the feel good Texas attitude?"  I simply replied "That's Dallas, not Texas".

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Yeah they're everywhere out here.  Great food for a place with a drive-thru.  Del Tacos reign supreme too but they're more of a competitor to Taco Bell then El Pollo Loco. Actually, I will trade you some El Pollo Locos for some Whataburgers.

Since I'm swearing off Whataburgers for a good long while and going with more grill food in my diet, you got yourself a deal!

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El Pollo Loco is 'all over Memorial Day Weekend baby' err.... I mean San Antonio.

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Maybe Ty'll back me up on this, but Pollo Tropical, also owned by Carrols, is pretty damn decent for fast food.

I've only tried them once and that was a while ago. The one that was near me didn't last too long. If I recall, they're more a 'chicken and rice, spanish-carribean' style.

Pollo Tropical is just about my wife's favorite food in the world; she grew up in Miami, where the chain is all over the place. It's one of the biggest things she misses from Florida, living in Texas now. She describes it as "Cuban fast food."
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It was a sad day when Del Taco left Houston.  Then again, I'm also an admitted fan of Pappasitos fajitas, so there ya go.
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As an adult I've lived in Houston, Dallas, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, St. Louis, and Austin. I made good friends in all those places and that makes a huge difference in perception. Regarding the zeitgeist of all those places, Dallas was the most superficial and self-absorbed, while, St. Louis was by far the most insular and provincial.
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Pollo Tropical is just about my wife's favorite food in the world; she grew up in Miami, where the chain is all over the place. It's one of the biggest things she misses from Florida, living in Texas now. She describes it as "Cuban fast food."

There's no lack of Cuban/Spanish food here, that's for sure. I live in an old neighborhood near downtown Tampa that has a fairly large Cuban-American population and the main street that runs though it is nicknamed "Boliche Boulevard" for all the Cuban restaurants it has.
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« Reply #142 on: June 11, 2008, 08:21:11 pm »
Yeah they're everywhere out here.  Great food for a place with a drive-thru.  Del Tacos reign supreme too but they're more of a competitor to Taco Bell then El Pollo Loco. Actually, I will trade you some El Pollo Locos for some Whataburgers.

San Antonio has at least a few El Pollo Loco's.  Hearing the commercials make it sound a lot better than I remember from Southern California.  Decent for fast food, but would trade it for an Albertos, Robertos, Alibertos or Juanbertos any day.

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\so my point is to wonder why the insecurity and why the pride for second-class things like those i mentioned in my previous post.


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You are absoslutley 100% completely full of shit. 

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Great word.  Gotta remember that.

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Pollo Tropical is just about my wife's favorite food in the world; she grew up in Miami, where the chain is all over the place. It's one of the biggest things she misses from Florida, living in Texas now. She describes it as "Cuban fast food."

Traditional Cuban food has a minimal amount of Carribean influence.  It's about as close to Spanish as you'll get outside of Spain.  As a result, my mother, who is Spanish, makes some seriously mean boliche, ropa vieja, arroz con pollo, paella, caldo gallego, etc.  I miss Cuban bread though.  I've never found anywhere in Texas that has authentic Cuban bread (which by default means no authentic Cuban Sandwiches).
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« Reply #148 on: June 12, 2008, 12:09:47 am »
I once found a Tex-Mex restaurant in Bergen, Norway.

I have been on a one man crusade to keep all of New Zealand's Mexican food restaurants in business, but it seems to be a growing cuisine down here anyway. There's a Mexican couple that have a place here in Auckland that I would rank up there with any place I've ever been in Texas, though it's less Tex and more Mex. The strangest place I had Tex-Mex in was in Geneva, Switzerland in the 1990's.

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TI've never found anywhere in Texas that has authentic Cuban bread (which by default means no authentic Cuban Sandwiches).

So what is the secret to authentic Cuban bread? The recipes I've tried are always pretty plain, and since I've never had the real thing, I have no idea how faithful they are. What characteristics should I be looking for? Is it the crust? A particular texture to the crumb? Sweet? Sour?
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« Reply #150 on: June 12, 2008, 09:04:40 am »
So what is the secret to authentic Cuban bread? The recipes I've tried are always pretty plain, and since I've never had the real thing, I have no idea how faithful they are. What characteristics should I be looking for? Is it the crust? A particular texture to the crumb? Sweet? Sour?

I'm guessing it's the same thing that makes a Mexican bolillo what it is--the consistency of the flour used.  Essentially, less refined, etc.
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San Antonio has at least a few El Pollo Loco's.  Hearing the commercials make it sound a lot better than I remember from Southern California.  Decent for fast food, but would trade it for an Albertos, Robertos, Alibertos or Juanbertos any day.

Trade you some Whataburgers for an In-N-Out.

I'd say that's a fair swap.

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In keeping with the random, ADD like hopskotching of this thread, I heard some folks talking about a Tornado burger down in southwest Houston/Missouri City/Stafford world.  Anybody try one of those, yet?

I'll take In-N-Out or Whataburger above all other chains, but the former is just about my favorite.  I-N-O claims it'll never go any further east than it presently is, which is Phoenix, I suppose.  However, they did open one up in SW Utah.  The family must have a ranch near there or something.

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« Reply #153 on: June 12, 2008, 01:40:09 pm »
So what is the secret to authentic Cuban bread? The recipes I've tried are always pretty plain, and since I've never had the real thing, I have no idea how faithful they are. What characteristics should I be looking for? Is it the crust? A particular texture to the crumb? Sweet? Sour?


Cuban bread is a lot like a traditional French loaf in taste, but very different in texture.  It has a very thin crust that is firm but not crusty.  The interior is light, with lots of air pockets, and tender, but not really chewy.  It's very moist.  I think the secret to making it is the moistness.  Most recipes call for shortening or lard, and it's steamed when it's baked.  Old schoolers lay a palm leaf across the top of each loaf to give it moisture so the crust doesn't dry out and get hard and crunchy.
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« Reply #154 on: June 12, 2008, 01:44:46 pm »
In keeping with the random, ADD like hopskotching of this thread, I heard some folks talking about a Tornado burger down in southwest Houston/Missouri City/Stafford world.  Anybody try one of those, yet?

I'll take In-N-Out or Whataburger above all other chains, but the former is just about my favorite.  I-N-O claims it'll never go any further east than it presently is, which is Phoenix, I suppose.  However, they did open one up in SW Utah.  The family must have a ranch near there or something.

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« Reply #155 on: June 12, 2008, 02:04:08 pm »
In keeping with the random, ADD like hopskotching of this thread, I heard some folks talking about a Tornado burger down in southwest Houston/Missouri City/Stafford world.  Anybody try one of those, yet?


Yes, I've been there.  (Houston Press Review)

I wasn't terribly impressed.  Not bad, but not worth the effort to go there unless you live right around the corner, in my opinion.

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« Reply #156 on: June 12, 2008, 02:06:57 pm »
Phoenix is as far west as Whataburger has made it.  It's so close I can almost taste it.  Almost.

So Phoenix has become the dividing line in the best of the best chain burger war, eh?  I presume Fatburger is still an option around SoCal?
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« Reply #157 on: June 12, 2008, 02:09:29 pm »
Thanks for being the Shell Answer Man for me today, T.J.  Interesting read, too.
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« Reply #158 on: June 12, 2008, 02:17:41 pm »
So Phoenix has become the dividing line in the best of the best chain burger war, eh?  I presume Fatburger is still an option around SoCal?
Yep it seems like that.  I'm hoping for a knife fight that allows Whataburger to setup camp in California.  Fatburger is still around but not as common as In-N-Out.  Sonic is very rare out here and the only one in the area is always packed.

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« Reply #159 on: June 12, 2008, 02:54:02 pm »
Vegas has both In-and-Out and Fatburger, and I always preferred Fatburger. I-A-O is great too, though. There's also a Whataburger in northern Arizona on Route 66. It's in Kingman or one of those little towns after you come south from the Hoover Dam. I nearly shit a brick when I saw it sitting out there in the middle of nowhere.

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« Reply #160 on: June 12, 2008, 07:29:46 pm »
In keeping with the random, ADD like hopskotching of this thread, I heard some folks talking about a Tornado burger down in southwest Houston/Missouri City/Stafford world.  Anybody try one of those, yet?

I'll take In-N-Out or Whataburger above all other chains, but the former is just about my favorite.  I-N-O claims it'll never go any further east than it presently is, which is Phoenix, I suppose.  However, they did open one up in SW Utah.  The family must have a ranch near there or something.

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P. Terry's in Austin is reminiscent of In-n-Out. I've heard it was supposed to have some connection, but I can't find anything to support that. But their burger's are damn good.

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« Reply #161 on: June 12, 2008, 07:48:45 pm »
P. Terry's in Austin is reminiscent of In-n-Out. I've heard it was supposed to have some connection, but I can't find anything to support that. But their burger's are damn good.

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« Reply #162 on: June 13, 2008, 08:55:28 am »
Yep it seems like that.  I'm hoping for a knife fight that allows Whataburger to setup camp in California.  Fatburger is still around but not as common as In-N-Out.  Sonic is very rare out here and the only one in the area is always packed.



I assume there is still a Whataburger in Oxnard. I have a friend that lived in Orange County 20 years ago and he would drive to Oxnard on weekends for WB. I guess that's at least a 1-1 1/2 hour drive.

A couple of weeks ago I revisited Cotham's Mercantile for a hubcap burger in Scott, Arkansas just outside of Little Rock. Funky atmosphere and a good old-fashioned burger.

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« Reply #163 on: June 13, 2008, 09:45:20 am »
Where is it located?

On South Lamar juuuuuust north of Barton Springs. So just south of the river, on the west side of the road.
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« Reply #164 on: June 13, 2008, 09:47:51 am »
On South Lamar juuuuuust north of Barton Springs. So just south of the river, on the west side of the road.

Cool, that's near work. I'll give it a try. Thanks!
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« Reply #165 on: June 13, 2008, 09:48:54 am »
Yes, I've been there. 
I wasn't terribly impressed.  Not bad, but not worth the effort to go there unless you live right around the corner, in my opinion.

I agree on Tornado burger.  I've been there 3 times because I happened to be in the area, but the food isn't good enough to make me drive that far out.  The spicy burger does start to grow on you though.
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« Reply #166 on: June 13, 2008, 10:05:05 am »
Probably not the same.  The Pollo Loco I remember was a chain and did really well.  Then went away for some reason.  All of them.  The one you're talking about is probably not the same chain.

I remember Pollo Loco well.  Pollo Riko, a local Houston chain, filled the void in the early '90's, and is pretty damn good.

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« Reply #167 on: June 13, 2008, 10:10:08 am »
I remember Pollo Loco well.  Pollo Riko, a local Houston chain, filled the void in the early '90's, and is pretty damn good.

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« Reply #168 on: June 13, 2008, 10:14:10 am »
El Rey also does the roast chicken thing.

How is it?  I've always been leery of El Rey and the "cuban and mexican" thing.  There just seems to be something wrong about doing cuban and mexican under the same roof.
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« Reply #169 on: June 13, 2008, 10:18:09 am »

Cuban bread is a lot like a traditional French loaf in taste, but very different in texture.  It has a very thin crust that is firm but not crusty.  The interior is light, with lots of air pockets, and tender, but not really chewy.  It's very moist.  I think the secret to making it is the moistness.  Most recipes call for shortening or lard, and it's steamed when it's baked.  Old schoolers lay a palm leaf across the top of each loaf to give it moisture so the crust doesn't dry out and get hard and crunchy.

So I did some recipe hunting last night, and there certainly is a lot of variation. Some use a starter, some don't. Some put some fat (lard, shortening) in the dough, some don't. Some start the loaves in a cold oven, some don't. Some put a pan of water in the oven, some don't. Some put a palm leaf over the loaf while it bakes, some put a shoestring (!) along the top of the loaf, some do nothing.

Based on your description, I think I'll try something with a starter, put some shortening in it, and start it in a cold oven with a pan of water. Maybe I'll cut down a banana leaf and throw it over the top and see what happens.
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« Reply #170 on: June 13, 2008, 10:27:08 am »
So I did some recipe hunting last night, and there certainly is a lot of variation. Some use a starter, some don't. Some put some fat (lard, shortening) in the dough, some don't. Some start the loaves in a cold oven, some don't. Some put a pan of water in the oven, some don't. Some put a palm leaf over the loaf while it bakes, some put a shoestring (!) along the top of the loaf, some do nothing.

Based on your description, I think I'll try something with a starter, put some shortening in it, and start it in a cold oven with a pan of water. Maybe I'll cut down a banana leaf and throw it over the top and see what happens.


I'll say this...La Segunda Bakery in Tampa uses lard and a palm leaf.  They have the best Cuban bread anywhere.  Let me know how yours comes out.
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« Reply #171 on: June 13, 2008, 10:56:46 am »
On South Lamar juuuuuust north of Barton Springs. So just south of the river, on the west side of the road.

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« Reply #172 on: June 13, 2008, 10:58:31 am »
How can you possibly know this? I thought you were allergic to South Austin.

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« Reply #173 on: June 13, 2008, 11:33:53 am »

A couple of weeks ago I revisited Cotham's Mercantile for a hubcap burger in Scott, Arkansas just outside of Little Rock. Funky atmosphere and a good old-fashioned burger.

I live on the other side of Little Rock but I'll have to try that place. I know there have to be some decent burger places in Little Rock but I haven't found them yet.

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« Reply #174 on: June 13, 2008, 11:50:38 am »
Am I the only one who thinks Beck's Prime has the best fucking burgers around?
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« Reply #175 on: June 13, 2008, 11:51:40 am »
How can you possibly know this? I thought you were allergic to South Austin.

I consider Barton Springs the South Austin buffer zone...

Now that The Filling Station is closed though, it is becoming more and more enemy territory.

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« Reply #176 on: June 13, 2008, 11:53:49 am »
Am I the only one who thinks Beck's Prime has the best fucking burgers around?

No.

I went to a Chili's in Dubai (only place I've ever seen a Chili's outside of the U.S, actually). Not exactly Tex-Mex, but I did have the fajitas.
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« Reply #177 on: June 13, 2008, 11:55:29 am »
No.

I went to a Chili's in Dubai (only place I've ever seen a Chili's outside of the U.S, actually). Not exactly Tex-Mex, but I did have the fajitas.

And how were they?

Because personally, I'd be dubaious of them.
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« Reply #178 on: June 13, 2008, 12:00:15 pm »
And how were they?

Because personally, I'd be dubaious of them.

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« Reply #179 on: June 13, 2008, 12:15:35 pm »
I live on the other side of Little Rock but I'll have to try that place. I know there have to be some decent burger places in Little Rock but I haven't found them yet.



Do you know where Scott is? I think the city limits sign is on the same pole. It's not far north of whatever that loop is that goes around the city. But beware that they are only open for lunch, I think until 2pm. They lock up then and go home. There is also an outpost in the city I think. Not the atmosphere of the shack about to fall down in Scott but maybe an easier alternative to see if you like it.     http://www.cothams.com/


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« Reply #180 on: June 13, 2008, 12:18:50 pm »
Am I the only one who thinks Beck's Prime has the best fucking burgers around?

No, I'm with you on that one...BP Burger, well done is about as good as it gets.

Although since I moved out of town, I am getting a bit partial to the 09er Burger at the Cove here in San Antonio...
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« Reply #181 on: June 13, 2008, 12:25:02 pm »
No, I'm with you on that one...BP Burger, well done is about as good as it gets.

Well done???  Ewwww!  That's the point of going to B'sP, you can actually get a medium rare burger.
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« Reply #182 on: June 13, 2008, 12:39:38 pm »
This article made me hungry:  Best burger in Texas?

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« Reply #183 on: June 13, 2008, 12:42:43 pm »
The Filling Station

Now that brings back memories. I wore a Filling Station tee-shirt for my HS Journalism class pic and put it on the front page of our yearbook. The principal was pissed! Our class motto was "Drink 'till you drop."
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« Reply #184 on: June 13, 2008, 12:52:46 pm »
Am I the only one who thinks Beck's Prime has the best fucking burgers around?

Lankford Grocery and Christian's Totem both have better burgers.  I'd put Beck's Prime on the level of Pappas' Burgers, but I'd pick Pappas' every time.

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« Reply #185 on: June 13, 2008, 01:03:07 pm »
Lankford Grocery and Christian's Totem both have better burgers.  I'd put Beck's Prime on the level of Pappas' Burgers, but I'd pick Pappas' every time.

I agree. I think Beck's Prime is pretty good, and am happy there's one near my building in the tunnels for when I get a hankering for a decent burger. But if I'm in my car and want a burger, I'm going to Lankford if it's lunchtime or Christian's if it's for dinner.
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« Reply #186 on: June 13, 2008, 01:04:11 pm »


Do you know where Scott is? I think the city limits sign is on the same pole. It's not far north of whatever that loop is that goes around the city. But beware that they are only open for lunch, I think until 2pm. They lock up then and go home. There is also an outpost in the city I think. Not the atmosphere of the shack about to fall down in Scott but maybe an easier alternative to see if you like it.     http://www.cothams.com/



You're right, they have one downtown now and another in West Little Rock. We've been looking for new places to eat when we go that way, and I think the one in West Little Rock is definitely on the list now. Thanks!

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« Reply #187 on: June 13, 2008, 01:14:14 pm »
Lankford Grocery and Christian's Totem both have better burgers.  I'd put Beck's Prime on the level of Pappas' Burgers, but I'd pick Pappas' every time.


Lankford Grocery isn't as good as Beck's Prime, IMO.  Never had Christian's Totem.  Folks at the office rave about District 7, but while their burgers are OK, they're nothing spectacular.  I can walk there for lunch though (and I can just as easily walk to Beck's Prime in the tunnel).
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« Reply #188 on: June 13, 2008, 01:17:33 pm »

Lankford Grocery isn't as good as Beck's Prime, IMO.  Never had Christian's Totem.  Folks at the office rave about District 7, but while their burgers are OK, they're nothing spectacular.  I can walk there for lunch though (and I can just as easily walk to Beck's Prime in the tunnel).

Haven't had the hamburger there yet, but I love their romano crusted chicken sandwich, especially with pesto. Yummy!
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« Reply #189 on: June 13, 2008, 01:19:12 pm »
Haven't had the hamburger there yet, but I love their romano crusted chicken sandwich, especially with pesto. Yummy!


Burgers are on a wheat bun, which is really good.  But they're nothing to go crazy over.  But try one with Swiss cheese and spicy mustard.  It's pretty good.
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« Reply #190 on: June 13, 2008, 01:32:12 pm »

Burgers are on a wheat bun, which is really good.  But they're nothing to go crazy over.  But try one with Swiss cheese and spicy mustard.  It's pretty good.

I'll do that next time DH and I go there (tried to get him to pick me up for lunch and go there today, but got a raincheck). The chicken sandwich is on that sweet whitebread bun they use. Not quite Hawaiin bread sweet, but close to it (though they look like ciabatta, it's much softer).
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« Reply #191 on: June 13, 2008, 01:40:40 pm »

Lankford Grocery isn't as good as Beck's Prime, IMO.  Never had Christian's Totem.  Folks at the office rave about District 7, but while their burgers are OK, they're nothing spectacular.  I can walk there for lunch though (and I can just as easily walk to Beck's Prime in the tunnel).

I go to District 7 at least once a week...it's pretty good shit, but I've yet to have a burger there. 


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« Reply #192 on: June 13, 2008, 02:23:51 pm »
Well done???  Ewwww!  That's the point of going to B'sP, you can actually get a medium rare burger.

I figured you were more up for the dried-out type of meat after your remarks about one Nancy Grace...
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I figured you were more up for the dried-out type of meat after your remarks about one Nancy Grace...

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Now that brings back memories. I wore a Filling Station tee-shirt for my HS Journalism class pic and put it on the front page of our yearbook. The principal was pissed! Our class motto was "Drink 'till you drop."

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« Reply #195 on: June 13, 2008, 04:46:04 pm »
I ate at the Beck's in the tunnel for lunch today. It's the best burger downtown, for sure. If anyone ever stumbles across Fulshear, try out the Double Horn Grill, they have an excellent burger.
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« Reply #196 on: June 13, 2008, 05:31:24 pm »
Lankford Grocery and Christian's Totem both have better burgers.  I'd put Beck's Prime on the level of Pappas' Burgers, but I'd pick Pappas' every time.

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Believe it or not, one of the best damn burgers in the city of Houston (and I consider myself a burger guru) is a buffalo burger.  Yes, a buffalo burger.  You can find it at Barnaby's.  The location on Fairview only, not the other locations.
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« Reply #198 on: June 13, 2008, 05:39:10 pm »
Believe it or not, one of the best damn burgers in the city of Houston (and I consider myself a burger guru) is a buffalo burger.  Yes, a buffalo burger.  You can find it at Barnaby's.  The location on Fairview only, not the other locations.


Many places serve buffalo burgers.  Buffalo is good, and better for you than beef, but it's not nearly as tasty, IMO.
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« Reply #199 on: June 13, 2008, 05:44:17 pm »

Many places serve buffalo burgers.  Buffalo is good, and better for you than beef, but it's not nearly as tasty, IMO.
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« Reply #200 on: June 13, 2008, 05:48:54 pm »

Many places serve buffalo burgers.  Buffalo is good, and better for you than beef, but it's not nearly as tasty, IMO.

Oh, I agree, but I'm not kidding when I say Barnaby's buffalo burger is one of the best damn burgers in the city, buffalo or otherwise. 
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Have you ever tried ostrich?


I have.  It's ok. 
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« Reply #202 on: June 13, 2008, 06:48:03 pm »

I have.  It's ok. 
I find it to be more enjoyable then buffalo and not as dry but I do like a good buffalo burger.  Apparently it's one of the leanest meats around which makes it surprising more people don't eat it.

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« Reply #203 on: June 15, 2008, 05:00:35 pm »
I go to District 7 at least once a week...it's pretty good shit, but I've yet to have a burger there. 



i probably go once a week also (chinatown location).  i don't think i've had the burger yet.
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