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The Shift ... Mind Games?
« on: May 06, 2008, 11:00:57 pm »
With the talk tonight about Washington's shift on Berkman which seemed counter-intuitive, I wondered if managers ever call for the shift simply to get into a hitter's head, especially one who is in the zone like Lance seems to be.  I've got to believe the hitter looks at the open field and at least momentarily considers trying to place one there.   Coach?
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Re: The Shift ... Mind Games?
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2008, 12:14:07 am »
With the talk tonight about Washington's shift on Berkman which seemed counter-intuitive, I wondered if managers ever call for the shift simply to get into a hitter's head, especially one who is in the zone like Lance seems to be.  I've got to believe the hitter looks at the open field and at least momentarily considers trying to place one there.   Coach?

I can't speak for Jim, but I can say that for me it wouldn't affect my at bat.  Unless the situation called for something different (moving a runner, etc), I always went to the plate with the idea of hitting the ball hard where it was pitched.  I can't imagine something like that being able to interfere with professional hitter's concentration, but that's just my opinion.

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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2008, 12:20:17 am »
Berkman was asked about the shift in the post game interview. He said that he doesn't try to place the ball and the shift doesn't bother him.
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2008, 12:31:08 am »
Wasn't Ted Williams known to refuse to adjust to the shift? He said he didn't change his approach at all.

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Re: The Shift ... Mind Games?
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2008, 06:45:07 am »
Wasn't Ted Williams known to refuse to adjust to the shift? He said he didn't change his approach at all.

which was dumb for him. he could have hit .500 driving the ball to left, but he stubbornly tried to blast the ball through the shift. he did bunt a couple of times, but not many.

Berman just takes his hack. shifts are not going to bother him because he is not trying to do anything but hit the ball hard. Williams was a way different hitter and could have used the shift to his advantage.
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2008, 08:57:47 am »
Berkman was asked about the shift in the post game interview. He said that he doesn't try to place the ball and the shift doesn't bother him.

Yep.  He said "you can't guide the ball".    He is on fire right now.

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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2008, 09:19:08 am »
Yep.  He said "you can't guide the ball".    He is on fire right now.

4 hits and 2 SB?  Berkman took advantage of LoDuca's weak arm.  I hope the rest of the guys were paying attention.  It's time for Carlos Lee to run a little too!
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2008, 09:25:46 am »
Williams was definitely stubborn as hell.  He refused to swing at pitches that he didn't believe to be strikes.  Didn't matter what the count was or how close they were.  My favorite story about him is from Summer of '49.  He had a bad day at the plate and after the game he was ranting and raving that home plate was out of alignment with the mound.  He kept at it the next day.  Finally the Red Sox manager( I can't remember if it was Cronin or McCarthy) humored him and went out and measured it.  Sure enough, it was slightly out of alignment.
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Re: The Shift ... Mind Games?
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2008, 09:55:27 am »
4 hits and 2 SB?  Berkman took advantage of LoDuca's weak arm.  I hope the rest of the guys were paying attention.  It's time for Carlos Lee to run a little too!

Lee is sporting a gimpy leg, from what I saw last night.
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2008, 09:59:51 am »
Lee is sporting a gimpy leg, from what I saw last night.

Lee's job is to drive in runs, which he did last night.
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Re: The Shift ... Mind Games?
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2008, 10:40:18 am »
back to berkman and the shift. this is lance berkman we are talking about? i am just glad to see him swing hit and the ball go as fast as his mouth. gotta love it. anyone else notice the lovely locks he is sporting of late? i detect a few curls
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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2008, 10:42:40 am »
I seem to remember Berkman laying a bunt down on a getting a hit early in his career.  I think it was at Arizona

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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2008, 10:46:03 am »
Williams was definitely stubborn as hell.  He refused to swing at pitches that he didn't believe to be strikes.  Didn't matter what the count was or how close they were.  My favorite story about him is from Summer of '49.  He had a bad day at the plate and after the game he was ranting and raving that home plate was out of alignment with the mound.  He kept at it the next day.  Finally the Red Sox manager( I can't remember if it was Cronin or McCarthy) humored him and went out and measured it.  Sure enough, it was slightly out of alignment.

1/4 of an inch, which Williams noticed upon returning after missing two seasons to Korea, according to this:
http://books.google.com/books?id=f6Z1KdExmIoC&pg=PA274&lpg=PA274&dq=ted+williams+home+plate+out+of+alignment&source=web&ots=f9bjpPo231&sig=aEi9KAvVHDHegRAN1kCrJc7lbQE&hl=en
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Re: The Shift ... Mind Games?
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2008, 10:54:08 am »
Lee is sporting a gimpy leg, from what I saw last night.

Either that or he had an uncontrollable urge to poke Dave Labossiere in the chest.

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Re: The Shift ... Mind Games?
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2008, 11:49:24 am »
It's good that Twinkie didn't change his approach there. The Nats shifted away from his tendency to pull, and pitched him to the outside. Trying to aim for the opening -- even though it's actually where he hits it most of the time -- wouldn't have been a swell idea on an outside pitch. Of course, the Nats played directly into his willingness to flick it the other way to the boxes for the short tater, which was probably a foolish risk on their part.

But no, I don't think the Nats were playing mind games at all. I think they were just trying to steer him out towards the big part of the park, and put the fielders where they hoped it would go. It pretty much worked out that way, since he hit it close to where RF had been shifted (RCF), but it was smoked on a line. A grounder or fly there has the desired effect for the Nats, but he's just hitting it too well right now.
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Re: The Shift ... Mind Games?
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2008, 12:46:37 pm »
speaking of mind games...last night when interviewed about his running game, he said he was going to need to shut it down for a couple of days due to a barking groin.  any truth to that, or is he setting the nats defense up because he will be running?

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« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2008, 12:49:09 pm »
speaking of mind games...last night when interviewed about his running game, he said he was going to need to shut it down for a couple of days due to a barking groin.  any truth to that, or is he setting the nats defense up because he will be running?

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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2008, 12:57:17 pm »
Either that or he had an uncontrollable urge to poke Dave Labossiere in the chest.

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