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Hunter Pence on the Caravan
« on: January 23, 2008, 01:36:30 pm »
His latest blog is about his visit to a children’s hospital,

The young girl was in a small car accident where the air bag deployed and struck her under the chin. The air bag was so powerful that she was paralyzed from the neck down. The mother, when she was telling the story, said that even if they meet the weight requirements, don’t sit your children in the front seat.

I thought that I would at least mention that because hopefully somebody will read this and prevent this tragedy from recurring.
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Re: Hunter Pence on the Caravan
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2008, 01:38:21 pm »
I would add that if for some reason, passing my understanding, you MUST put your child in the front seat, then please disable the airbag.  Some vehicles will do this automatically, sensing the weight; in others, you must turn a key to do so.
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2008, 01:41:42 pm »
Can't tell you how much it drives me nuts to not just see kids riding in the front see, but seeing young children not in car seats, or even buckled in but crawling around in the car.

I know I grew up in times when this was more the norm, but today, it makes me really sick to think about it.

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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2008, 09:19:04 am »
Car seats have come a long way, unfortunately, many people still live in the stone age. Back when a wire framed sack that hooked over the front seat was the mode of the day, it seemed safer than letting the kid lay on the seat or flounce about all over. But there's been a lot of improvement and people should know better. It's natual selection at it's cruelest.
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2008, 11:21:05 am »
I can't see how someone has not heard about this danger. When our daughter was born, every nurse on every shift mentioned it to us, the OB/Gyn and each of his nurses, our family doctor, heck even the clerk at Walmart when we bought the seat told us.

A sad example of the sins of the father(mother) being visited on the children.


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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2008, 11:34:36 am »
In my town the police department has a free carseat giveaway program to encourage all parents of younger children to have new carseats.  Sadly it's underutilized.
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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2008, 11:40:23 am »
7 year olds have no business in the front seat with an air bag no matter how much they weigh.  Current law in many states is booster seat until age 9.  NHSTA recommends backseats until 12.  Most cars and trucks with no back seat have a weigh sensor that turns the airbag off when some one sitting in it doesn't weigh enough but it can't tell how tall you are.  I believe 4'9" is the recommended height.

My 11 year old is 5' 1'' and about 85 lbs, according to her Dr visit yesterday.  She still rides in the back.  I believe in rights of passage.  At age 12 she will "graduate" to the front seat.  I see no reason to put her at risk when people whose job it is to check these things say 12 is good.  I don't think they pulled that out of a hat.
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2008, 12:30:17 pm »
7 year olds have no business in the front seat with an air bag no matter how much they weigh.  Current law in many states is booster seat until age 9. 


I'm all for safety, but geez, there has to be some reasonable excepion.  At 9, I don't think I could have even fit into a car in a booster seat.
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2008, 01:08:28 pm »

I'm all for safety, but geez, there has to be some reasonable excepion.  At 9, I don't think I could have even fit into a car in a booster seat.

Weight and height should be the determining factors.  For some parents, it's easier to keep track of one number I guess.


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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2008, 01:20:15 pm »
Weight and height should be the determining factors.  For some parents, it's easier to keep track of one number I guess.



Texas state law is 5 years old and at least 36 pounds before not having to have a car seat or booster seat.

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Texas has no law for 5 and 36 kids from being in the front seat.

The state encourages parents of children from ages 4-8 and over 40 pounds to be in at least a booster seat and in the back seat, unless they are at least 4'9".

DPS has a table of recommendations.
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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2008, 03:55:47 pm »

I'm all for safety, but geez, there has to be some reasonable excepion.  At 9, I don't think I could have even fit into a car in a booster seat.

the booster seat is a height thing because of there the shoulder strap hits.  I believe it is 4'8"
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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2008, 04:21:17 pm »
Short adults should be cautious as well.  I've had occasion to look into issues with airbags and I found that there's a number of drivers who had their thumbs blown off by these things.  When you have your hands on the wheel, do not extend your thumbs over the airbag housing plate.

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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2008, 06:22:43 pm »
the booster seat is a height thing because of there the shoulder strap hits.  I believe it is 4'8"

I understand a booster seats purpose, I'm saying it may not be appropriate for every 9 or 10 year old.
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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2008, 07:46:14 pm »
Maybe I wasn't clear.  Age 9, is when they get out of the booster.  I agree that most 9 or 10 year olds would not fit in a booster.  Here is the TN Law along with recommended best practice:

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(3) … any person transporting any child, four (4) through eight (8) years of age and measuring less than five (5) feet in height, … is responsible for the protection of the child and properly using a belt positioning booster seat system, meeting federal motor vehicle safety standards in the rear seat if available… The Safety advocates sited recommend keeping children in booster seats until they are about 57” tall. The child’s height is the best predictor of proper seat belt fit.

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Re: Hunter Pence on the Caravan
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2008, 08:17:42 pm »
Maybe I wasn't clear.  Age 9, is when they get out of the booster.  I agree that most 9 or 10 year olds would not fit in a booster.  Here is the TN Law along with recommended best practice:


You were clear, and I thought I was too.  By age 9 I would not have fit in a booster.  Had that law been in affect when I was a kid, I would have the choice of doubling over trying to fit into a booster seat or breaking the law.  Booster seats are great for kids under certain heights and weights, but the required use of them should be based on that, not strictly age.
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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2008, 09:20:59 am »

You were clear, and I thought I was too.  By age 9 I would not have fit in a booster.  Had that law been in affect when I was a kid, I would have the choice of doubling over trying to fit into a booster seat or breaking the law.  Booster seats are great for kids under certain heights and weights, but the required use of them should be based on that, not strictly age.
I totally agree.  All of it should be based on height, but for most parents the age thing is easier to remember.  I would imagine it is also easier for officers to determine age numbers because the parent would be able to provide that information easily when asked, than they would if checking height.  This would make the law easier to enforce with age requirements than height.

Often times parents are unsure of their children's height and weight.  I know I only really learn that information for sure when they have a check-up or doctor's visit.

The booster seat thing is only precautionary to ensure the shoulder seatbelts are able to be worn properly, if you are tall enough to wear them without them comming across your neck, then you should be fine without a car seat.

The same thing about air-bags.  Because air-bags are done on a standard basis for any particular make/model, they are designed for a "standard" sized person.  I also think with air bags it is one of those things where the potential for negative side-effects is greater when under than standard size than over.  So it is definitely something shorter people have to deal with as well.  So it is not restricted just to children, but ANYONE under a certain height.  And that height, I would guess could vary depending on the make/model of the car that it is installed in.