Roger Clemens - "fradulent", "bully", "two-faced"

[Noe]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7577358

Mark Kreigel of FoxSports has fired a salvo at Clemens about his response to the Mitchell report.  For about a week now, I've heard all sorts of talk of duplicity when it came to Clemens and Bonds.  One is called a hero, the other a despicable human being, blah, blah, blah.

Well, honestly, I wasn't sure who was being indicted for giving Clemens a free ride.  Fans?  Media? Both?  As far as fans are concerned, by and large I doubt many fans that really followed baseball call Clemens a hero or worship him as such.  Just my gut feeling.  Media?  Well if the indictment is true, then Mr. Kreigel is on his own. 

I think the indictment is not true and Kreigel is not out on his own.  He's just one of the many that will come hard at Clemens now.  It's just the beginning.  IMHO of couse.

[Rebel Jew]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7577358

Mark Kreigel of FoxSports has fired a salvo at Clemens about his response to the Mitchell report.  For about a week now, I've heard all sorts of talk of duplicity when it came to Clemens and Bonds.  One is called a hero, the other a despicable human being, blah, blah, blah.

Well, honestly, I wasn't sure who was being indicted for giving Clemens a free ride.  Fans?  Media? Both?  As far as fans are concerned, by and large I doubt many fans that really followed baseball call Clemens a hero or worship him as such.  Just my gut feeling.  Media?  Well if the indictment is true, then Mr. Kreigel is on his own. 

I think the indictment is not true and Kreigel is not out on his own.  He's just one of the many that will come hard at Clemens now.  It's just the beginning.  IMHO of couse.

i've never bought the unfair double-standard argument with clemens and bonds.  bonds has always done things to openly piss people off and isolate himself from media and fans.  clemens has always tried to play the public game, portraying himself as this fiery ol' competitor from texas.  privately, he may be a jerk, and it's not hard to read between the lines at some of his shenanigans like the fake playoff hamstring pulls or hendricks brothers hijackings, but publicly he's always kept an open relationship with fans, media, and teammates.  he's never had a flamboyant strikeout celebration dance to match bonds home run trot, and did not lie to federal prosecutors or pay his personal trainer to go to jail to protect him.

clemens and bonds are both cheaters, and are probably both a-holes, but bonds has gotten everything he's deserved as far as they way he's been treated.

[kevwun]

Other than Tim Kurkjian, I really haven't seen someone in the media defend Clemens.  It seems like most have taken a wait and see approach.  If Clemens and Hardin move forward with a lawsuit or some other attempt to clear his name, I think it's going to get very ugly for Clemens in light of Pettitte's confession.  Speaking of Pettitte, his injury excuse is becoming quite popular.  I'm waiting for Radomski to claim he only sold the stuff because he was hurt.

[geezerdonk]

Has anyone ever attributed the Piazza incident to roid rage?

[Bench]

Has anyone ever attributed the Piazza incident to roid rage?

"Remember when we spent hours analyzing that clip from the 2000 World Series and wondering why Clemens would ever grab the broken handle of Mike Piazza's bat, then angrily whip it at him for no sane reason? 'Roid rage, baby! The riddle has been solved! It's like seeing video of a second shooter in the grassy knoll in Dallas."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/071214

Consider the source.

[Noe]

i've never bought the unfair double-standard argument with clemens and bonds.  bonds has always done things to openly piss people off and isolate himself from media and fans.  clemens has always tried to play the public game, portraying himself as this fiery ol' competitor from texas.  privately, he may be a jerk, and it's not hard to read between the lines at some of his shenanigans like the fake playoff hamstring pulls or hendricks brothers hijackings, but publicly he's always kept an open relationship with fans, media, and teammates.  he's never had a flamboyant strikeout celebration dance to match bonds home run trot, and did not lie to federal prosecutors or pay his personal trainer to go to jail to protect him.

clemens and bonds are both cheaters, and are probably both a-holes, but bonds has gotten everything he's deserved as far as they way he's been treated.

But you seem to be saying that at least Bonds was never a fraud while Clemens was a huge fraud (if allegations are true).  Aren't you making Kreigel's case that yeah, Clemens deserves a call-out for being fraudlent?

[kevwun]

Clemens' silence didn't last very long.  His ego is going to be his undoing.

"I want to state clearly and without qualification: I did not take steroids, human growth hormone or any other banned substances at any time in my baseball career or, in fact, my entire life,'' Clemens said Tuesday in a statement issued through his agent, Randy Hendricks. "Those substances represent a dangerous and destructive shortcut that no athlete should ever take.

"I am disappointed that my 25 years in public life have apparently not earned me the benefit of the doubt, but I understand that Senator Mitchell's report has raised many serious questions. I plan to publicly answer all of those questions at the appropriate time in the appropriate way. I only ask that in the meantime people not rush to judgment.''

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3160063

[MusicMan]

Clemens' silence didn't last very long.  His ego is going to be his undoing.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3160063

This sort of firm denial would have been much better than Hardin's shrilling on Thursday.

[dirty steve]

Clemens' silence didn't last very long.  His ego is going to be his undoing.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3160063

why doesnt he come out and say it for himself, instead of all these statements released through rusty hardin or team racket?

[otterjb]

"Remember when we spent hours analyzing that clip from the 2000 World Series and wondering why Clemens would ever grab the broken handle of Mike Piazza's bat, then angrily whip it at him for no sane reason? 'Roid rage, baby! The riddle has been solved! It's like seeing video of a second shooter in the grassy knoll in Dallas."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/071214

Consider the source.

Link from that column to a Simmons column in 2001 asking if Clemens, is indeed the Antichrist:

http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?id=1206543

Nah, he's just an asshole with a huge ego who cheated his way to becoming the most accomplished pitcher of this era. The two words stand out most about Clemens' legacy: Asshole and Cheat.

[Houston]

This sort of firm denial would have been much better than Hardin's shrilling on Thursday.

Yes, but HGH was NOT a banned substance at the time he's alleged to have used it. It's not much different from his statement last week when he said he had never tested positive for anything, which is factually true because there is no test for HGH.

[pravata]

Link from that column to a Simmons column in 2001 asking if Clemens, is indeed the Antichrist:

http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?id=1206543

Nah, he's just an asshole with a huge ego who cheated his way to becoming the most accomplished pitcher of this era. The two words stand out most about Clemens' legacy: Asshole and Cheat.

But not the third word, indicted.

[kevwun]

When is Roger going to address why McNamee worked for him for 9 years if he was "a troubled and unreliable witness who only came up with names after being threatened with possible prison time"?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5376995.html

[MusicMan]

When is Roger going to address why McNamee worked for him for 9 years if he was "a troubled and unreliable witness who only came up with names after being threatened with possible prison time"?

Beautifully put.

[pravata]

Beautifully put.

When Clemens became a Yankee in 1999 he suggested that they hire McNamee.  The Yankees fired him in 2002 possibly due to an alleged, but never filed, sexual assault.  Still Clemens kept him on as a personal trainer until May 2007.

[HudsonHawk]

Yes, but HGH was NOT a banned substance at the time he's alleged to have used it.

*sigh*  The non-legitimate medicinal use of it was banned.  Use of it without a prescription, disclosed to the team physician, was banned. 

[HudsonHawk]

why doesnt he come out and say it for himself, instead of all these statements released through rusty hardin or team racket?

Because that's how players release information to the public.  They don't normally call a press conference for themselves.  That's how Pettitte did it too.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Because that's how players release information to the public.  They don't normally call a press conference for themselves.  That's how Pettitte did it too.

That's why it is only natural for the discerning public to question the sincerity of, and motivation behind, the release of information--when it's obviously a public relations maneuver.