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Paul Byrd & HGH
« on: October 21, 2007, 05:13:04 pm »
He's one of the last persons anyone would suspect. Just goes to show how much we don't know.

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Re: Paul Byrd & HGH
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2007, 06:44:11 pm »
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2007/news/story?id=3072845

Byrd admits to taking HGH, but says he had a doctor's prescription.
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2007, 06:52:14 pm »
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2007/news/story?id=3072845

Byrd admits to taking HGH, but says he had a doctor's prescription.
He most likely did, but the drive-by media doesn't give a shit.
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2007, 08:48:59 pm »
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2007/news/story?id=3072845

Byrd admits to taking HGH, but says he had a doctor's prescription.

Byrd says he never saw the doctor in Florida. It is that doctor in Florida, Byrd says, who apparently didn't do everything by the book. ...(and) said he does not remember any of the doctors' names, ….

Damned convenient.  For everyone concerned.


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Re: Paul Byrd & HGH
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2007, 09:55:50 pm »
Byrd says he never saw the doctor in Florida. It is that doctor in Florida, Byrd says, who apparently didn't do everything by the book. ...(and) said he does not remember any of the doctors' names, ….

Damned convenient.  For everyone concerned.




Riiight.  I certainly wouldn't remember a doctor who treated me for something so common as adult growth hormone dysfunction.
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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2007, 08:57:49 am »
Byrd says he never saw the doctor in Florida. It is that doctor in Florida, Byrd says, who apparently didn't do everything by the book. ...(and) said he does not remember any of the doctors' names, ….

Damned convenient.  For everyone concerned.


Wasn't one of the doctors who prescribed him the stuff a dentist?  It makes perfect sense to me.

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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2007, 09:00:23 am »

Wasn't one of the doctors who prescribed him the stuff a dentist?  It makes perfect sense to me.

Not just any dentist neither, a dentist whose license was suspended for fraud and incompetence. 

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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2007, 09:10:13 am »
Not just any dentist neither, a dentist whose license was suspended for fraud and incompetence. 

Byrd should have no problem picking out a costume for next weekend, then.
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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2007, 09:27:34 am »
Byrd says he never saw the doctor in Florida. It is that doctor in Florida, Byrd says, who apparently didn't do everything by the book. ...(and) said he does not remember any of the doctors' names, ….

Damned convenient.  For everyone concerned.



Q&A from BP about some of the deeper aspects of the story:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=618
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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2007, 09:53:17 am »
Q&A from BP about some of the deeper aspects of the story:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=618

Yes of course, everything was nice and legal, but if you think you have GH deficiency, here's what happens,

If your physician thinks you may be GH deficient, he or she will usually pick one of the standard tests. The testing is done in the outpatient setting and usually takes about two to three hours.

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Treatment with GH
Once a physician has proven GH deficiency, he or she will begin the patient on a small dose of GH and slowly raise the dose until a final maintenance dose is reached. The hormone is given daily by injection. The hormone is given by the patient or a member of the family. Small needles and syringes are used. The physician will see the patient at four to eight week intervals to ask how the patient is doing and to obtain a blood test which can help determine the correct dose. ...Once a final dose is established, the blood test and office visits will continue approximately every 4 to 6 months.
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That seems like a lot of interaction with a specialist, whose name he reports not to know, to get the dosage correct, unless you weren't all that concerned with the details of the illness, as for the practices of Internet pharmacies

some sites require customers only to fill out a questionnaire before ordering prescription drugs, bypassing any face-to-face interaction with a health professional.

Just check the box for "GH Deficiency" but says the FDA

"This practice undermines safeguards of direct medical supervision and a physical evaluation performed by a licensed health professional," says Jeffrey Shuren, M.D., medical officer in the Food and Drug Administration's Office of Policy, Planning and Legislation. "The Internet makes it easy to bypass this safety net."
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So even though Byrd didn't do anything illegal or against the rules, he didn't seem all that concerned about the details of treating his medical condition.   



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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2007, 10:07:04 am »
So even though Byrd didn't do anything illegal or against the rules, he didn't seem all that concerned about the details of treating his medical condition.   

BP's article is classic parsing.  Break the process down into its base components, then justify each one.

Walk into someone's yard uninvited?  Lots of people do that to deliver flyers or plant flags on July 4th.

Break a window?  Who hasn't broken a window in their life; especially a kid playing baseball.

Pick something up that doesn't belong to you?  People do this all the time when shopping; they can then pay for it or not.

Forget you have something in your pocket?  Who hasn't wasted time looking for keys or a cell phone that they're already carrying?

Leave quietly so as not to disturb anyone?  That's just being polite and considerate.

Sell a piece of jewelery at a pawn shop?  This happens every day.

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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2007, 10:12:04 am »
BP's article is classic parsing.  Break the process down into its base components, then justify each one.

Walk into someone's yard uninvited?  Lots of people do that to deliver flyers or plant flags on July 4th.

Break a window?  Who hasn't broken a window in their life; especially a kid playing baseball.

Pick something up that doesn't belong to you?  People do this all the time when shopping; they can then pay for it or not.

Forget you have something in your pocket?  Who hasn't wasted time looking for keys or a cell phone that they're already carrying?

Leave quietly so as not to disturb anyone?  That's just being polite and considerate.

Sell a piece of jewelery at a pawn shop?  This happens every day.



I consider Paul Byrd a friend. My thoughts are with he and his family as the drive-by media puts him through the ringer.
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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2007, 10:15:33 am »
I consider Paul Byrd a friend. My thoughts are with he and his family as the drive-by media puts him through the ringer.

That's commendable.  But if he knew the names of his doctors I would be more inclined to trust his story.  [ETA] This SF Chron article Link says he sent in blood tests and had telephone consultations every three months but apparently was never examined by a specialist. 
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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2007, 10:26:37 am »
That's commendable.  But if he knew the names of his doctors I would be more inclined to trust his story.  [ETA] This SF Chron article Link says he sent in blood tests and had telephone consultations every three months but apparently was never examined by a specialist. 

I think that Paul will tell the whole story.
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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2007, 10:37:43 am »
Yes of course, everything was nice and legal, but if you think you have GH deficiency, here's what happens,

If your physician thinks you may be GH deficient, he or she will usually pick one of the standard tests. The testing is done in the outpatient setting and usually takes about two to three hours.

and then,

Treatment with GH
Once a physician has proven GH deficiency, he or she will begin the patient on a small dose of GH and slowly raise the dose until a final maintenance dose is reached. The hormone is given daily by injection. The hormone is given by the patient or a member of the family. Small needles and syringes are used. The physician will see the patient at four to eight week intervals to ask how the patient is doing and to obtain a blood test which can help determine the correct dose. ...Once a final dose is established, the blood test and office visits will continue approximately every 4 to 6 months.
Link

That seems like a lot of interaction with a specialist, whose name he reports not to know, to get the dosage correct, unless you weren't all that concerned with the details of the illness, as for the practices of Internet pharmacies

some sites require customers only to fill out a questionnaire before ordering prescription drugs, bypassing any face-to-face interaction with a health professional.

Just check the box for "GH Deficiency" but says the FDA

"This practice undermines safeguards of direct medical supervision and a physical evaluation performed by a licensed health professional," says Jeffrey Shuren, M.D., medical officer in the Food and Drug Administration's Office of Policy, Planning and Legislation. "The Internet makes it easy to bypass this safety net."
Link

So even though Byrd didn't do anything illegal or against the rules, he didn't seem all that concerned about the details of treating his medical condition.   




While it does seem suspicious that he didn't visit some of these doctors, it seems equally as whatever the opposite of suspicious is that his condition and treatment have been part of his medical file with each of teams he was with during the treatment, he ordered the medicine on his own credit card, and he wrote about taking HGH in a book he's been shopping for the last few months. 

We can argue whether or not it's right and wrong, but he hasn't exactly been hiding anything.
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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2007, 10:43:12 am »
That's commendable.  But if he knew the names of his doctors I would be more inclined to trust his story.  [ETA] This SF Chron article Link says he sent in blood tests and had telephone consultations every three months but apparently was never examined by a specialist. 

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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2007, 10:48:41 am »
While it does seem suspicious that he didn't visit some of these doctors, it seems equally as whatever the opposite of suspicious is that his condition and treatment have been part of his medical file with each of teams he was with during the treatment, he ordered the medicine on his own credit card, and he wrote about taking HGH in a book he's been shopping for the last few months. 

We can argue whether or not it's right and wrong, but he hasn't exactly been hiding anything.

I dont think we can argue whether it's right or wrong.  Obviously he had a prescription so it wasn't illegal.  He didn't take it after the CBA so it's not against baseball's rules.  However, he didn't spend too much time checking up on the doctors, as long as they were sending him the drugs he wanted, which is what has him in the spotlight now.  I also agree that breaking this story before game 7 is suspicious.  But, had he gone to an online pharmacy that wasn't under investigation this wouldn't have come out.  There's the problem.  The other problem, for Byrd, is this, (from the pre-game press conference)

(After saying he is no longer taking the drug) Q. Most people once they start they have to take it their whole lives.

PAUL BYRD: Correct, but one of the things that I am dealing with that I made known to Ken Rosenthal, FOX Sports, Sam Alipour, is that I have a pituitary tumor. I don't know exactly what that means yet. I'm still learning about that. It's something that I will have to get tested for a while now, and that changes a lot of things for me.

That has come into the picture. I don't want to give dates and times, but that has come into the picture later. All I can tell you is that from the doctors that I saw, I had very low readings and was prescribed a dose.

I don't know what the future holds for me other than that I am going to get tested. I'm very happy that I've been working with Major League Baseball. I think that's another thing that shows that I haven't tried to do anything behind anybody's back, and again, I think that the doctor that I'm working with now I'm very happy, the endocrinologist.
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So now he learns he has a tumor, where before, dealing with doctors through mail order blood tests and phone calls, he only had "very low readings".  And only now is he seeing an endocrinologist.   This is no longer about baseball. 

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« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2007, 10:53:46 am »
This is no longer about baseball. 

Pardon my ignorance-- and maybe I'm reading too much (or too little) into this-- but if this isn't about baseball, what is it about?  That he's stupid?  That he's immoral?  If it's that, why do we care?  Is it that there are crooked doctors and shady dealings a-going on?  I can't imagine that's news to anyone above the age of about seven.
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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2007, 10:56:19 am »
Pardon my ignorance-- and maybe I'm reading too much (or too little) into this-- but if this isn't about baseball, what is it about?  That he's stupid?  That he's immoral?  If it's that, why do we care?  Is it that there are crooked doctors and shady dealings a-going on?  I can't imagine that's news to anyone above the age of about seven.

I think prav's saying it's now also about malpractice.
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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2007, 10:59:42 am »
Pardon my ignorance-- and maybe I'm reading too much (or too little) into this-- but if this isn't about baseball, what is it about?  That he's stupid?  That he's immoral?  If it's that, why do we care?  Is it that there are crooked doctors and shady dealings a-going on?  I can't imagine that's news to anyone above the age of about seven.

Ask the New York attorney general, I think he's older than 7.   Turns out Byrd now has a much worse condition because he was fooling around with an internet pharmacy.  He got the drugs he wanted, they got the money they wanted.  I don't think Paul Byrd is the only person who has put their trust in these places. 

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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2007, 11:02:08 am »
I think prav's saying it's now also about malpractice.

and fraud.

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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2007, 11:05:07 am »
pravata, I never truly realized the depth of your idiocy until Purpura was fired, although your previous rantings on subjects you clearly knew nothing about suggested it was great.  Since the Purpura firing, you're no longer teetering on the edge of the cliff; you've gone over.  This thread is just another indicator of that.  Stick to being the resident newswire.
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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2007, 11:12:00 am »
pravata, I never truly realized the depth of your idiocy until Purpura was fired, although your previous rantings on subjects you clearly knew nothing about suggested it was great.  Since the Purpura firing, you're no longer teetering on the edge of the cliff; you've gone over.  This thread is just another indicator of that.  Stick to being the resident newswire.

I suggest you Google the term "projection".
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« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2007, 11:14:59 am »
I suggest you Google the term "projection".

I suggest he check his "Ignore" stats.  I gave up on this moron long, long, ago.

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« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2007, 11:15:28 am »
I suggest you Google the term "projection".

I suggest you Google the term "douche nozzle."
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« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2007, 11:16:20 am »
I suggest you Google the term "douche nozzle."

I did.  It's says "See Dobro."

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« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2007, 11:25:19 am »
I did.  It's says "See Dobro."

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Aaaand the level of discourse ramps up!
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« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2007, 11:27:35 am »
Aaaand the level of discourse ramps up!

Hey!  It's the off-season.  Or at least it seems like it given the amount of baseball played in recent weeks.
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« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2007, 01:48:13 pm »
pravata, I never truly realized the depth of your idiocy until Purpura was fired, although your previous rantings on subjects you clearly knew nothing about suggested it was great.  Since the Purpura firing, you're no longer teetering on the edge of the cliff; you've gone over.  This thread is just another indicator of that.  Stick to being the resident newswire.

wow, you have expanded your list of attackees. i think he ignores you, though.
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« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2007, 01:54:57 pm »
wow, you have expanded your list of attackees. i think he ignores you, though.

Completely.  Right up until someone quotes one of his posts in their reply.

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« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2007, 01:55:20 pm »
Hey!  It's the off-season.  Or at least it seems like it given the amount of baseball played in recent weeks.
I'm just teasin' ya. 

My buddy at work is a Cleveland native, he's all busted up about the Tribe.  I think Red Sox v. Rockies should be quite interesting, HGH-enhanced Paul Byrd or no.
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