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One lesson of the Mets collapse
« on: October 01, 2007, 10:48:01 am »
From today's NY Times

Pat Gillick, the Phillies’ general manager. (they note) was once Toronto’s general manager and won five division titles with them along with two World Series.

Gillick said that for many years he felt that talent was everything. But he said after watching Philadelphia overcome injuries and other adversity this season and overtake the Mets, he had concluded that talent was overrated.

Talent is important, he said, but what is more important is mental toughness, character, passion and the desire to win.

“These are things that cannot be measured,” he said.
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Re: One lesson of the Mets collapse
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2007, 11:01:44 am »
Quote from: pravata on October 01, 2007, 10:48:01 am
From today's NY Times

Pat Gillick, the Phillies’ general manager. (they note) was once Toronto’s general manager and won five division titles with them along with two World Series.

Gillick said that for many years he felt that talent was everything. But he said after watching Philadelphia overcome injuries and other adversity this season and overtake the Mets, he had concluded that talent was overrated.

Talent is important, he said, but what is more important is mental toughness, character, passion and the desire to win.

“These are things that cannot be measured,” he said.
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I felt all along that the steM were vulnerable due to a lack of starting pitching. I didn't think that they could win with the ageless El Duque being so important in their starting rotation. While he pitched much better than I expected (I've been in the house when he's been off, and it was Lima ugly), he still only won nine games and ate 147 innings. The issue in the NL East was who was strong enough to step up. The Phillies suffered through a lot of injuries but cobbled together enough wins to compete. I don't think that the steM debacle was so much a collapse as simply coming back down to their actual talent level.
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Re: One lesson of the Mets collapse
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2007, 12:39:12 pm »
Quote from: pravata on October 01, 2007, 10:48:01 am
Talent is important, he said, but what is more important is mental toughness, character, passion and the desire to win.

There are some whispers that Jose Reyes showed a huge amounts of lacking in these areas down the stretch.  Talent alone was not what the Mets needed to keep from collapsing... they needed a leader to step up and show the character traits to lead this team.

No one did.
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Re: One lesson of the Mets collapse
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2007, 12:52:43 pm »
Reyes had a pretty piss poor September.
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Re: One lesson of the Mets collapse
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2007, 12:58:12 pm »
Quote from: Matt on October 01, 2007, 12:52:43 pm
Reyes had a pretty piss poor September.

He was pretty much playing with his head up his arse and that was a mystery to many steMs followers.
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Re: One lesson of the Mets collapse
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2007, 01:03:51 pm »
Quote from: Noe in Austin on October 01, 2007, 12:58:12 pm
He was pretty much playing with his head up his arse and that was a mystery to many steMs followers.
Wouldn't surprise me that all that MVP shit that was being flung around New York like a monkey cage got to his head a bit.
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Re: One lesson of the Mets collapse
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2007, 01:07:59 pm »
Quote from: Matt on October 01, 2007, 12:52:43 pm
Reyes had a pretty piss poor September.

Yes, that's true. He hit .205. But Alou was unconscious at .402 and Delgado was good at .321. The Mets fold in September was due in substantial part to their pitching at the top of the rotation. For example, Glavine was 2-2 6.10; Maine was 1-2 5.93.
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Re: One lesson of the Mets collapse
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2007, 01:21:59 pm »
Quote from: Mr. Happy on October 01, 2007, 01:07:59 pm
Yes, that's true. He hit .205. But Alou was unconscious at .402 and Delgado was good at .321. The Mets fold in September was due in substantial part to their pitching at the top of the rotation. For example, Glavine was 2-2 6.10; Maine was 1-2 5.93.

Glavine's bases-loaded plunking of the opposing pitcher may be his last pitch in the major's.  I quite like that idea.
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Re: One lesson of the Mets collapse
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2007, 01:25:27 pm »
Quote from: Limey on October 01, 2007, 01:21:59 pm
Glavine's bases-loaded plunking of the opposing pitcher may be his last pitch in the major's.  I quite like that idea.

Personally, I hope both he and Bonds play at least one more game in the majors simply because I don't want to see either of them when I go to Biggio's induction ceremony.
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Re: One lesson of the Mets collapse
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2007, 01:28:08 pm »
Quote from: Bench on October 01, 2007, 01:25:27 pm
Personally, I hope both he and Bonds play at least one more game in the majors simply because I don't want to see either of them when I go to Biggio's induction ceremony.

This post sits quite well with me.
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Re: One lesson of the Mets collapse
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2007, 03:17:41 pm »
Quote from: Limey on October 01, 2007, 01:21:59 pm
Glavine's bases-loaded plunking of the opposing pitcher may be his last pitch in the major's.  I quite like that idea.

Word around here is that the only thing keeping him from finishing his career with the Braves is the Mets declining their option.
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Re: One lesson of the Mets collapse
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2007, 03:37:10 pm »
Quote from: jaklewein on October 01, 2007, 03:17:41 pm
Word around here is that the only thing keeping him from finishing his career with the Braves is the Mets declining their option.

I thought Glavine had a player option?

BTW everyone, jaklewein has now won an unprecedented third straight OWA War fantasy league title. The rest of us suck!
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Re: One lesson of the Mets collapse
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2007, 03:55:03 pm »
Quote from: mihoba on October 01, 2007, 03:37:10 pm
I thought Glavine had a player option?

BTW everyone, jaklewein has now won an unprecedented third straight OWA War fantasy league title. The rest of us suck have a life!

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Re: One lesson of the Mets collapse
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2007, 04:08:37 pm »
Quote from: Bench on October 01, 2007, 01:25:27 pm
Personally, I hope both he and Bonds play at least one more game in the majors simply because I don't want to see either of them when I go to Biggio's induction ceremony.

Ooh.  Good point.
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Re: One lesson of the Mets collapse
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2007, 11:33:41 pm »
Bench has Jack Handee's Deep Thoughts beat ALL to hell....that was one of the best "Oh, by the way" posts I've ever seen here.
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Re: One lesson of the Mets collapse
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2007, 07:41:10 am »
Quote from: mihoba on October 01, 2007, 03:37:10 pm
I thought Glavine had a player option?

BTW everyone, jaklewein has now won an unprecedented third straight OWA War fantasy league title. The rest of us suck!

Thanks for the quick mention Mihoba.  Just happy to know that I finally have some sort of positive connection with OWA, even if it is just a fantasy league.  It was another fun year and I look forward to being involved again in '08.  Thanks for all the time you spent prior to, during and after the season.
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