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Ryan Braun's actions last night
« on: September 06, 2007, 03:50:10 pm »
I don't think i've seen as much showboating on a homer as I did with that one.   That was worse than anything pujols or bonds or others have done.

The question is how would you have handled it as manager?  Personally, I pull him from the game immediately, pennant race or not, even if it was a close game.   The message has to be sent to him that was way out of line.   
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« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2007, 03:50:39 pm »
I don't think i've seen as much showboating on a homer as I did with that one.   That was worse than anything pujols or bonds or others have done.

The question is how would you have handled it as manager?  Personally, I pull him from the game immediately, pennant race or not, even if it was a close game.   The message has to be sent to him that was way out of line.  

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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2007, 03:56:00 pm »
He walked slowly for several steps toward 1st base after he hit it.  It was pretty bad.  He was preening like Bonds.  Yost let him have it when he got back to the dugout.
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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2007, 03:56:30 pm »
In that video we see Berkman and Munson stepping in to say something to Braun.  Also when he went to the dugout the Manager stopped him.

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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2007, 04:02:18 pm »
I don't think i've seen as much showboating on a homer as I did with that one.   That was worse than anything pujols or bonds or others have done.

The question is how would you have handled it as manager?  Personally, I pull him from the game immediately, pennant race or not, even if it was a close game.   The message has to be sent to him that was way out of line.   

When they did the review of the game right before the Luke Scott homerun, right after Braun's showboat act, Jimmy D said "that's going to cost him sometime in his next at bat".  He meant retaliation of course and I figure it's probably going through the minds of a few pitchers on the Astros.  They play again in Houston on the 17th and I wouldn't be surprised the kid is hit in the small of the back for that little show.

One bit of irony is that Vinny Rottino and Humberto Quintero got into a shouting match when Nashville and Round Rock hooked up in a series in Round Rock two weeks ago.  A Sound player hit a homerun and refused to run, instead he admired his shot and then trotted around the bases very slowly.  The next inning, Quintero hit a homerun to left that was headed to the foul pole.  Earlier in the game, third base umpired ruled a Wesson homerun that was very similar a double instead of a homer.  The ball clearly bounced off the foul pole and back into the field of play.  Jackie Moore was tossed from the game for arguing the call.  So Quintero hit the same type of ball towards the foul pole in left and stood to look if it would go foul before he ran.  It went fair by about a foot, never touching the foul pole.  Quintero sort of did a jig dance when he rounded first and realized it was a fair ball and a homerun.  He ran kind of funny for the rest of the way home, in a mocking way (IMHO).  Rottino, who was catching and is now on the Brewers team as a September callup, started to yell at Quintero as he approached home plate.  The benches emptied but no punches were thrown.

Later in the game, a runner is at third, top of the ninth, one out and the batter hits a medium fly ball to CF.  Wesson has one of the better arms on the team (I say he has the best) and gunned the ball home after making the catch.  Perfect strike, laser right to Quintero who now had the chance to really take the play to the runner.  Humberto literally squashed the guy down ahead of the plate and then held him down with his mitt and body.  The Nashville bench came out of the dugout to jump on Quintero and Rottino was the one who was shouting the loudest, once again wanting to fight Humberto.

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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2007, 04:07:37 pm »
I don't think that's worse than Bonds.  He used to do a 360 after his homers.  It's still pretty bad, especially for a rookie.

ESPN said that he was "apologizing" to Munson when he came back up to bat.  I'm not sure if that was their interpretation or someone actually later said that's what he was doing.  Yost in the dugout admonished him, but with a smile on his face it looked like.

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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2007, 04:17:46 pm »
I don't think that's worse than Bonds.  He used to do a 360 after his homers.  It's still pretty bad, especially for a rookie.

ESPN said that he was "apologizing" to Munson when he came back up to bat.  I'm not sure if that was their interpretation or someone actually later said that's what he was doing.  Yost in the dugout admonished him, but with a smile on his face it looked like.

He looks to the dugout before he starts running and looks like he got chastised.
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2007, 04:20:33 pm »
I don't think that's worse than Bonds.  He used to do a 360 after his homers.  It's still pretty bad, especially for a rookie.

ESPN said that he was "apologizing" to Munson when he came back up to bat.  I'm not sure if that was their interpretation or someone actually later said that's what he was doing.  Yost in the dugout admonished him, but with a smile on his face it looked like.

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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2007, 04:28:58 pm »
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When they did the review of the game right before the Luke Scott homerun, right after Braun's showboat act, Jimmy D said "that's going to cost him sometime in his next at bat".  He meant retaliation of course and I figure it's probably going through the minds of a few pitchers on the Astros.  They play again in Houston on the 17th and I wouldn't be surprised the kid is hit in the small of the back for that little show.

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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2007, 04:31:38 pm »
That's the way that it's supposed to be handled.

And then it should be over and done with and let the kid go on with his, as it looks like now, nice career.  He's a good hitter (and so-so fielder), he probably didn't really mean to show up anyone.

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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2007, 04:42:28 pm »
And then it should be over and done with and let the kid go on with his, as it looks like now, nice career.  He's a good hitter (and so-so fielder), he probably didn't really mean to show up anyone.

You are remarkably generous.  He is a good hitter and a crizappy fielder.  Of historical proportions.

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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2007, 04:50:57 pm »
You are remarkably generous.  He is a good hitter and a crizappy fielder.  Of historical proportions.

So-so fielder = not so good fielder in Noe vernacular.  Sorta like pitcher speak when they say that their arms are feeling "tender".  Tender = in lots of pain in pitcher speak.

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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2007, 04:54:01 pm »
So-so fielder = not so good fielder in Noe vernacular.  Sorta like pitcher speak when they say that their arms are feeling "tender".  Tender = in lots of pain in pitcher speak.

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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2007, 04:57:22 pm »
ever consider a career in politics?   ;D

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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2007, 05:28:49 pm »
On the replay, Berkman took a few step in and was literally screaming at Braun as he rounded first. Braun picked up the pace after that.

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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2007, 12:50:34 am »
On the replay, Berkman took a few step in and was literally screaming at Braun as he rounded first. Braun picked up the pace after that.

'Don't show up my pitcher like that rook, run around the bases and get your ass back in the dugout!'

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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2007, 08:12:36 am »
Crazy Joe McCluskey was fucking nuts.  It's why they called him Crazy Joe.

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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2007, 09:11:19 am »
When they did the review of the game right before the Luke Scott homerun, right after Braun's showboat act, Jimmy D said "that's going to cost him sometime in his next at bat".  He meant retaliation of course and I figure it's probably going through the minds of a few pitchers on the Astros.  They play again in Houston on the 17th and I wouldn't be surprised the kid is hit in the small of the back for that little show.

Why wait?  It was clear that he was showing them up.  If Berkman was paying attention enough to take umbrage with it, why wasn't anything done in his next at bat? 

I was bothered by it, to be honest.  I'm not trying to sound macho or anything but they did what amounted to basically nothing.  I guess I don't understand why they would let something like that happen with pretty much nothing done in return. 
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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2007, 10:29:03 am »
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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2007, 10:41:12 am »
Why wait?  It was clear that he was showing them up.  If Berkman was paying attention enough to take umbrage with it, why wasn't anything done in his next at bat?

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I was bothered by it, to be honest.  I'm not trying to sound macho or anything but they did what amounted to basically nothing.  I guess I don't understand why they would let something like that happen with pretty much nothing done in return. 

It is more important in the grand scheme of things to allow the kids to play baseball.  But Braun knows, as do others, that the payback will come soon enough.

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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2007, 10:45:32 am »
Why wait?  It was clear that he was showing them up.  If Berkman was paying attention enough to take umbrage with it, why wasn't anything done in his next at bat? 

I was bothered by it, to be honest.  I'm not trying to sound macho or anything but they did what amounted to basically nothing.  I guess I don't understand why they would let something like that happen with pretty much nothing done in return. 

Because Albers didn't last until Braun's next AB. Paulino was in, and he had enough shit to worry about in his ML debut, so retribution was probably deferred. Not sure if Braun's words to Munson at the plate were enough to buy him a pass, or if he still has a plunking in the queue.
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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2007, 10:50:49 am »
Because Albers didn't last until Braun's next AB. Paulino was in, and he had enough shit to worry about in his ML debut, so retribution was probably deferred. Not sure if Braun's words to Munson at the plate were enough to buy him a pass, or if he still has a plunking in the queue.

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« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2007, 10:58:04 am »
You pick your battles. 

It is more important in the grand scheme of things to allow the kids to play baseball.  But Braun knows, as do others, that the payback will come soon enough.

As in, let the issue resonate with them a spell and then about the time they think nothing's happening.........blammo!?
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« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2007, 11:07:45 am »
I could understand the uproar if Braun stared down the Stros dugout after the homerun...but he looked into his own dugout.  There just seem like there could be multiple possibilities as to why he did that other than the showboating possibiliy. 

Then again...maybe somebody broke out the 'Jump to Conclusions' map and i wasn't informed
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« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2007, 11:10:18 am »
I could understand the uproar if Braun stared down the Stros dugout after the homerun...but he looked into his own dugout.  There just seem like there could be multiple possibilities as to why he did that other than the showboating possibiliy. 

Then again...maybe somebody broke out the 'Jump to Conclusions' map and i wasn't informed

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« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2007, 11:11:45 am »
There just seem like there could be multiple possibilities as to why he did that other than the showboating possibiliy. 


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« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2007, 11:17:14 am »
I could understand the uproar if Braun stared down the Stros dugout after the homerun...but he looked into his own dugout.  There just seem like there could be multiple possibilities as to why he did that other than the showboating possibiliy. 

Then again...maybe somebody broke out the 'Jump to Conclusions' map and i wasn't informed

It's subjective, I suppose. He did stop short of pulling out a compact and fixing his makeup, so that probably qualifies as restraint.
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« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2007, 11:17:52 am »
I could understand the uproar if Braun stared down the Stros dugout after the homerun...but he looked into his own dugout.  There just seem like there could be multiple possibilities as to why he did that other than the showboating possibiliy. 

Then again...maybe somebody broke out the 'Jump to Conclusions' map and i wasn't informed

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« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2007, 11:20:11 am »
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he tied the brewers rookie homerun record on that bomb.  Maybe he had a friendly wager with a teammate.  Maybe he was looking back at Prince Fielder in the on deck circle since that was Fielder's record he broke.  

I mean...these possibilities could be a reach.....but that's all they are: possibilities  (as is showboating)
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« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2007, 11:23:13 am »
he tied the brewers rookie homerun record on that bomb.  Maybe he had a friendly wager with a teammate.  Maybe he was looking back at Prince Fielder in the on deck circle since that was Fielder's record he broke. 

I mean...these possibilities could be a reach.....but that's all they are: possibilities  (as is showboating)

And none of this could have waited until he got back to the dugout?
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« Reply #31 on: September 07, 2007, 11:24:15 am »
he tied the brewers rookie homerun record on that bomb.  Maybe he had a friendly wager with a teammate.  Maybe he was looking back at Prince Fielder in the on deck circle since that was Fielder's record he broke.  

I mean...these possibilities could be a reach.....but that's all they are: possibilities  (as is showboating)

If you reach any other conclusion than showboating after watching the video then I'd say you're nuts.
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« Reply #32 on: September 07, 2007, 11:25:20 am »
If you reach any other conclusion than showboating after watching the video then I'd say you're nuts.

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« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2007, 11:28:02 am »
agree to disagree then

Why was Berkman yelling at him when he rounded first?  Why did Braun apologize to Munson before his next at bat?

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« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2007, 11:32:03 am »
Why was Berkman yelling at him when he rounded first?  Why did Braun apologize to Munson before his next at bat?

All i'm getting at is that showboating may not have been his intention when he did that.  He may not have even realized what it looked like until Berkman/Munson said something.  The guy is still a rookie...cut him a little bit of slack
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« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2007, 11:32:42 am »
All i'm getting at is that showboating may not have been his intention when he did that.  He may not have even realized what it looked like until Berkman/Munson said something.  The guy is still a rookie...cut him a little bit of slack

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« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2007, 11:33:00 am »
All i'm getting at is that showboating may not have been his intention when he did that.  He may not have even realized what it looked like until Berkman/Munson said something.  The guy is still a rookie...cut him a little bit of slack

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« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2007, 11:33:05 am »
All i'm getting at is that showboating may not have been his intention when he did that.  He may not have even realized what it looked like until Berkman/Munson said something.  The guy is still a rookie...cut him a little bit of slack

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« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2007, 11:43:46 am »
Enlighten us of these other possibilities, please.


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I hope they don't do anything in retaliation. I hope there is someone on the Brewers team that let the Astros know he would be talked to or fined. Most of all, I hope that retaliation is in the back of his mind each time he steps up to the plateuntil something does happen. Let him wonder about the next high, slightly inside fastball.
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« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2007, 11:48:51 am »
All i'm getting at is that showboating may not have been his intention when he did that.  He may not have even realized what it looked like until Berkman/Munson said something.  The guy is still a rookie...cut him a little bit of slack

The video shows him looking like a puffed up bannie rooster strutting down the firstbase line.  Showboating was his very intention.  He may have gotten caught up in the moment, but he shouldn't have.

Rookies like children are only cut slack when the do something wrong without knowing they're doing something wrong.  You can bet Braun knew full well that showboating is a no-no for rookies.  Berkman, Munson, and Yost or someone in the Brewers dugout reminded him of that.
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« Reply #40 on: September 07, 2007, 11:53:49 am »
He did grab his hat brim as he rounded first. Isn't that some kind of baseball apology or something? (not making an excuse, asking if he realized before he got to first base what he had just done.)
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« Reply #41 on: September 07, 2007, 11:57:00 am »
He did grab his hat brim as he rounded first. Isn't that some kind of baseball apology or something? (not making an excuse, asking if he realized before he got to first base what he had just done.)

Well, getting yelled at from the dugout prompted him to start running.  That may have been his first clue.  Berkman yelling at him should have sealed the deal.
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« Reply #42 on: September 07, 2007, 02:58:05 pm »
Why was Berkman yelling at him when he rounded first?  Why did Braun apologize to Munson before his next at bat?

And most importantly why did Ned Yost, the guy who was sitting on the said Brewers bench, go over and talk to the kid about his behavior?  If it was not aimed at the Astros, Yost certainly wouldn't care.  But...

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« Reply #43 on: September 07, 2007, 05:05:26 pm »

 Most of all, I hope that retaliation is in the back of his mind each time he steps up to the plate until something does happen. Let him wonder about the next high, slightly inside fastball.

That will work for a while, but at some point the boy will walk away from a game with sore ribs.

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« Reply #44 on: September 07, 2007, 07:59:01 pm »
Ah, to have Danny Darwin still around and pitching.  The kid would be picking gravel out of his ass for a week.  Shoot, Springer or Wheeler would go high and tight on him for looking at them funny, much less showboating.  I'm sure someone will plunk him next time they meet up.

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« Reply #45 on: September 17, 2007, 10:44:03 pm »
A bright spot in tonight's ugly box score:

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« Reply #46 on: September 18, 2007, 06:59:21 am »
What? You insinuating something? What? It just got away a couple of times....
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« Reply #47 on: September 18, 2007, 09:13:10 am »
A bright spot in tonight's ugly box score:

I'm sure he knew it was coming.  Not sure about Borkowski's though.

And, to Braun's credit, he just put down his equipment and took his base. I think his elders convinced him of the error of his ways, and that he would simply have to accept his punishment.
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« Reply #48 on: September 18, 2007, 11:31:33 am »
A bright spot in tonight's ugly box score:

I'm sure he knew it was coming.  Not sure about Borkowski's though.

Huh. I read in the other thread where you guys kept saying Albers had hit the kid, but I didn't know Bork had until now. A double-spanking for his impudence?
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Re: Ryan Braun's actions last night
« Reply #49 on: September 18, 2007, 11:36:48 am »
Huh. I read in the other thread where you guys kept saying Albers had hit the kid, but I didn't know Bork had until now. A double-spanking for his impudence?

I think Bork's was just an inside pitch that got away a little bit. It was a jersey-grabber, not an actual plunking.
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Re: Ryan Braun's actions last night
« Reply #50 on: September 18, 2007, 02:24:26 pm »
Most of the time, players while warming up will stop to visit with a friend on the other team or just say something in passing.  When they intend to hit a guy on purpose and the intent is not about malice, they'll let the friend know to advise the kid to be ready for it.  Just to make sure he understands they're not headhunting, just pushing back like they should.

It was done right last night.