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« on: September 05, 2007, 08:28:47 am »
Good morning ladies and gents.  Today is day two of a new job, the most compensatory of my short and unremarkable career.  As a reward to myself for no longer lying around and eating Doritos off my chest, I have decided to purchase an electric guitar.  The only problem is, I don't know jack about guitars.

My budget for both guitar and amp is $300, although I'm flexible up to $400.  Where are good places to look?  What brand/type do you recommend?

Also, let me know what accessories you think I should get.

AAaaand, if anyone has any "Learn how to play guitar" type books they're ready to get rid of, I'll gladly pay postage.
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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2007, 08:56:35 am »
Fender usually has guitar/amp packages that run in that price range and they're not bad at all.  You could probably get a low end Strat with a little practice amp, gig bag and a strap for around that price.  Try guitar center or the Texas Music Emporium.  Musician's Friend on the internet is a good place to shop while you're supposed to be working too.

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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2007, 09:04:36 am »
Hudson Hawk asked a similar question during the void last year.  You might find the info helpful. It goes on for several pages
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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2007, 09:14:37 am »
Fender usually has guitar/amp packages that run in that price range and they're not bad at all.  You could probably get a low end Strat with a little practice amp, gig bag and a strap for around that price.  Try guitar center or the Texas Music Emporium.  Musician's Friend on the internet is a good place to shop while you're supposed to be working too.


I second the notion of one of those beginner packs for that kind of budget.  But got to a music store and see what you like.  There are lots of other quality guitars in the $200-300 range, and a decent small amp should run you $100 or less.  I have a cheap Ibanez GSA60 that I think I paid $199 for several years ago, but it actually plays pretty nice.  Don't be afraid to ask for advice.  Tell the people exactly where you are (beginner who knows nothing about guitars) and they'll be happy to help you.  I've never met a guitar guy yet who didn't just love talking about guitars to anyone who'd listen.  Play several guitars, or at least hold them, and pick one that feels comfortable.  That'll be key in practicing and getting better. 

As for learning, there are lots of books available, but I'd seriously consider taking some lessons.  They're suprisingly affordable ($15-20 a lesson) and invaluable in learning some proper techniques and avoiding bad habits.

And remember...guitars don't play themselves, not even the $5,000 jobs.  Practice.  Don't let it sit in the corner as a piece of furniture.
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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2007, 09:16:08 am »
Good morning ladies and gents.  Today is day two of a new job, the most compensatory of my short and unremarkable career.  As a reward to myself for no longer lying around and eating Doritos off my chest, I have decided to purchase an electric guitar.  The only problem is, I don't know jack about guitars.

My budget for both guitar and amp is $300, although I'm flexible up to $400.  Where are good places to look?  What brand/type do you recommend?

Also, let me know what accessories you think I should get.

AAaaand, if anyone has any "Learn how to play guitar" type books they're ready to get rid of, I'll gladly pay postage.


i assume you don't know how to play, right?  if so, the most important thing you want from a cheap starter guitar is that it stays in tune, and that it is built solidly enough, or doesn't have too much wear if used, that it won't break down in annoying little ways.  if you buy a crappy guitar and you can't keep it in tune (which will be more problematic for you at first, anyway), or if it creates mysterious unwanted noises while playing, or if knobs and tuning heads start breaking after not too long, then it will be pretty pointless and will likely end up with you storing the guitar in your attic and never playing it again.

with that in mind, and with your budget in mind, the best starter electric guitar is probably either a mexican fender stratocaster or mexican gibson epiphone.  both of these guitars sound good for their price, and are made from a reliable name-brand design.  if you do your homework, you should be able to find a good new or used one in the $250 range.  do not buy any of the myriad knockoffs of these brands, even if you see one for something like $100.  it won't be worth it, even if it's cheap. you should probably stay away from the squier fender brand, also.  when buying your guitar, whether it's used on craigslist or new at guitar center or some other store, be sure to ask the person you're buying it from to throw in a case, perferrably a hard case.  most places and people will throw in some kind of case for free, and it would suck if you ended up paying a few hundred bucks for a guitar but you didn't have a case for it and ended up fucking it up by dropping it or bumping the neck into walls while transporting it or whatever.  and if you are buying it new from a music store, stay firm to your $250 price, even if the list price is over $300; those kinds of places, especially the corporate ones like guitar center, will almost always go down on the price, especially if you say that you saw it on theirs or musician's friend's website for cheap.  you might even be able to get them to throw in the strap and cables for free or cheap.

as for an amp, since it sounds like you're just learning the guitar, i would just buy a small cheap practice amp that would be about the size of small box.  if you look on craigslist, you should be able to find a decent used one for $50 or something around there.  since you're just learning, you'd probably be best off going for a name brand practice amp such as Crate, Marshall, Fender, Roland.  since it's just a practice amp, your focus when buying it should be in determining it's basic functionality by plugging it in and trying it out, or by having the person you're buying it from plug it in and try it out.  listen to how it sounds and see if you like it.  make sure the knobs seem sturdy and not too loose.  make sure there's not some mysterious buzz or fuzz that won't go away no matter how much you adjust the knobs or cable connection to your guitar.  make sure that the various features of the amp work, such as the distortion or reverb channels.

that will accomplish a lot for you.  if you're willing to spend $500 for either guitar or amp, then you enter a new world of quality, but for your budget you should be able to find something decent as long as you know the right ways to look.

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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2007, 09:19:23 am »
Ditto on the Fender/Guitar Center suggestion.  Fender also makes the Squire line which are very affordable and close, to the untrained eye, to the Made in America real deal Fenders.  Difference being they are made in Mexico or Taiwan and have low end electronics.  Still a good value and can be had for $200.  I've got a Squire Tele that is great to bash around on.   The "Made in Japan" Fenders are priced between the Squire line and the high end American Made versions and with your budget would be my suggestion.  Excellent instruments, but, play alot of different models and brands, check out what your hero's play and enjoy the hunt, it's half the fun.
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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2007, 09:30:00 am »
Oh, and for God's sake...spend the extra 15 bucks and buy and electronic tuner.  There is no excuse in this day and age for being out of tune. 
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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2007, 09:48:26 am »
Oh, and for God's sake...spend the extra 15 bucks and buy and electronic tuner.  There is no excuse in this day and age for being out of tune. 

How much extra for amps that go to 11?
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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2007, 09:55:57 am »
Thanks everyone for the advice.

No, I can't currently play guitar at all.  However, I do know how to play violin and I can read music (although I'm very rusty).  I've wanted a guitar for a long time but I always think to myself, "There's another expensive hobby with lots of hidden costs."

Right now, I'm feeling less rational about it, plus I just moved to a new city and I don't have a lot of friends...so the guitar will actually get played.  And yeah, I'm going to get a tuner although I was pretty good at tuning the violin by ear.

Oh, and for God's sake...spend the extra 15 bucks and buy and electronic tuner.  There is no excuse in this day and age for being out of tune. 
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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2007, 10:45:41 am »
Thanks everyone for the advice.

No, I can't currently play guitar at all.  However, I do know how to play violin and I can read music (although I'm very rusty).  I've wanted a guitar for a long time but I always think to myself, "There's another expensive hobby with lots of hidden costs."

Right now, I'm feeling less rational about it, plus I just moved to a new city and I don't have a lot of friends...so the guitar will actually get played.  And yeah, I'm going to get a tuner although I was pretty good at tuning the violin by ear.


Maybe you should start with a ukulele and work your way up!  I'm not sure what the official spectrum looks like, but I would think that violin ---> ukulele is correct.  Ukulele ---> banjo, I'm not sure about.

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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2007, 10:48:33 am »
How much extra for amps that go to 11?

marshall makes face plates for that....
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« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2007, 10:59:48 am »
In my experience there's not a whole lot difference in Fender Americans and Fender Mexicans.  In the grand scheme of things they're probably made by the same exact person just on different sides of the fence.  I'm mainly a bassist and Fender is probably my favorite bass but I do know their guitars are not as impressive as something like a Les Paul or Gretsch.  Also if you want a heavier sounding and more interesting looking guitar, BC Rich makes starter models of their warlock and I think they come in packages as well.  I have a BC Rich Virgo Bass and the craftmanship is quite good.

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« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2007, 11:52:44 am »
You need to buy used if you want a guitar that is going to last you beyond the beginner stages in your budget – and there are plenty of good options if you spend some time looking (actually buying used is always my advice but you especially given you have some background with music), I don't see any reason to go to guitar center and give them 300 bucks for what ever 'beginner all in one kits' they are pushing off when there are a number of good guitars you can get in the 200-300 dollar range that will play great and fit your needs much longer than any beginner kit in a box. To be honest those kits are fine for kids but you especially with at least some background in music (I am assuming from the violin playing you mentioned) you will want a better playing instrument pretty quick.  … If you get a used guitar take it to a guitar store (preferably a local smaller shop) and have them set it up for you (about 30 bucks) and barring a significant defect in the guitar it will play great and much better than any guitar out of a box ... the only certainty with the guitar out of a box options  is you will want a different guitar in 10 months … and if you go take the sales persons at guitar center with a grain of salt …

Guitar Center isn't a bad place to buy a practice amp or ‘supplies’ (picks straps)... at this point an amp is of little concern. Get a little cheapo practice amp for 60-90 bucks … however like the guitars you can also find some great used options out there … For example …  I have a little practice amp I found on eBay it’s a little Kalamazoo late 60’s tube amp (part of gibson’s attempt at amps) (I paid 60 bucks – nice little tube sound in a little practice amp) and its gets a really nice sound one I’ve used to record with on a couple of occasions (it gets an old raw 60’s type sound).
In fact I did a quick search and here’s an amp just like for cheap … http://cgi.ebay.com/Mid-60s-Kalamazoo-Model-One-amp_W0QQitemZ190148252760QQcmdZViewItem

all that aside I would focus on getting the guitar first - (yo can find great deals if you look - my two primary guitars and basses I paid less that 150 each for) ... As for guitars I would suggest a used fender telecasters, epiphone, ventura (70’s ‘lawsuit” guitars if you can find one) …

There are lots of options out there those are just a few - I would just spend some time looking. 
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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2007, 11:58:51 am »
In my experience there's not a whole lot difference in Fender Americans and Fender Mexicans.  In the grand scheme of things they're probably made by the same exact person just on different sides of the fence.  I'm mainly a bassist and Fender is probably my favorite bass but I do know their guitars are not as impressive as something like a Les Paul or Gretsch.  Also if you want a heavier sounding and more interesting looking guitar, BC Rich makes starter models of their warlock and I think they come in packages as well.  I have a BC Rich Virgo Bass and the craftmanship is quite good.


there's a huge difference between fender mex and fender amer-- it's the difference between any product that's made under third world factory conditions and something that's made under first world factory conditions.  while fender mexicans and fender japansese are pretty decent guitars for their price, and they have a great master model to work from, an american strat will last longer, stay in tune longer, and will sound a lot better when you hook it up to better equipment.  the difference between an american p-bass and an mexican p-bass is even more pronounced.

fender guitars are just as good as any other major brand, the difference is just what kind of sound you're looking for.  if you don't want the classic stratocaster single-coil sound, you could conceivably put a les paul pickup in a stratocaster and get a heavier sound out of it.

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« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2007, 12:07:19 pm »
In my experience there's not a whole lot difference in Fender Americans and Fender Mexicans.  In the grand scheme of things they're probably made by the same exact person just on different sides of the fence.  I'm mainly a bassist and Fender is probably my favorite bass but I do know their guitars are not as impressive as something like a Les Paul or Gretsch.  Also if you want a heavier sounding and more interesting looking guitar, BC Rich makes starter models of their warlock and I think they come in packages as well.  I have a BC Rich Virgo Bass and the craftmanship is quite good.
I agree Fender basses are great - shoot they dominate the bass market ... but the bass market is much less competitive ...

I think fender guitars stand up as well to Gibsons and Gretschs - Fenders are one of the top brands ... well all except for strats - I hate strats (but thats just me lots of folks love them) ... But I always play my Telecaster over any guitar I have (including numerous gibsons) ... it just depends on what kind of sound you want  - tele's cut through MUCH better than less pauls for instance (who have more of a lower growling tone) ... anyway it depends on what you want but I would disagree that fenders aren't as impressive as less pauls or Gretsch or other top brands ...

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« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2007, 12:24:46 pm »

there's a huge difference between fender mex and fender amer-- it's the difference between any product that's made under third world factory conditions and something that's made under first world factory conditions.  while fender mexicans and fender japansese are pretty decent guitars for their price, and they have a great master model to work from, an american strat will last longer, stay in tune longer, and will sound a lot better when you hook it up to better equipment.  the difference between an american p-bass and an mexican p-bass is even more pronounced.

fender guitars are just as good as any other major brand, the difference is just what kind of sound you're looking for.  if you don't want the classic stratocaster single-coil sound, you could conceivably put a les paul pickup in a stratocaster and get a heavier sound out of it.

I've used both American and Mexican precision basses extensively in punk rock bands and took both of them with me on the road.  The differences when playing them are minimal to me and in fact my Mexican actually held up better. I know the parts and labor is the difference but to me I can't tell enough of a difference. Now if I could afford a Rickenbacker, THAT is what I'd be playing.

Ebay is a good place for amps too.  All you need is a little practice amp like a pignose or something along those lines.

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« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2007, 03:41:52 pm »
Thanks everyone for the advice.

No, I can't currently play guitar at all.  However, I do know how to play violin and I can read music (although I'm very rusty).  I've wanted a guitar for a long time but I always think to myself, "There's another expensive hobby with lots of hidden costs."

Right now, I'm feeling less rational about it, plus I just moved to a new city and I don't have a lot of friends...so the guitar will actually get played.  And yeah, I'm going to get a tuner although I was pretty good at tuning the violin by ear.


It would have been helpful if you had said from the get go that you were an experienced musician who was simply switching to the guitar from another stringed instrument.  At any rate, you're gonna get tons of advice from every angle here.  The simplest advice is to do your homework and talk to people about where you are an where you want to go with your guitar playing.  And don't believe what you hear about people who work at music stores...they can often offer great advice if you ask for it.  And there is nothing wrong with buying a guitar at Guitar Center.  It doesn't have to come from the secret underground guitar players club to be a decent guitar.
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« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2007, 04:23:47 pm »

It would have been helpful if you had said from the get go that you were an experienced musician who was simply switching to the guitar from another stringed instrument.  At any rate, you're gonna get tons of advice from every angle here.  The simplest advice is to do your homework and talk to people about where you are an where you want to go with your guitar playing.  And don't believe what you hear about people who work at music stores...they can often offer great advice if you ask for it.  And there is nothing wrong with buying a guitar at Guitar Center.  It doesn't have to come from the secret underground guitar players club to be a decent guitar.

This is very true. I also agree with Joey's first post - spend more of the budget on the guitar, and get something that stays in tune. At some point, you'll get the itch to graduate to a better amp tone, but you can get by just fine with some cheap little used solid-state Crate thing (or worse). Playing with a piece of shit guitar that's constantly going out of tune, on the other hand, is completely miserable.
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« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2007, 04:39:14 pm »
And don't believe what you hear about people who work at music stores...they can often offer great advice if you ask for it.  And there is nothing wrong with buying a guitar at Guitar Center.  It doesn't have to come from the secret underground guitar players club to be a decent guitar.
If it refers to my post … Again I said take the advice with a grain of salt … but I will say I am constantly dumbfounded by some of the “advice” given trying to make a sale … its not always the case but there is a reputation for a reason … if you go in there and know what your talking about sure great advice can be had (because most those guys are good dudes and many are very good musicians) but they are trying to push product like anyone else … nothing wrong with it - just be skeptical … I couldn’t begin to tell you how much crap I’ve bought from guitar center and I am probably going there today but I hear just as much used car talk in that place as anywhere else … I will say there is less of that kind of thing that happens at Rockin Robin and much much less at Fullers (but both of those places are much too pricey -  moreso than guitar center - and don’t have a good stock of inexpensive guitars – so they don’t make sense in this situation) … overall I think guitar center is a great place to look around and do some playing and find what you like but you can find a better deals out there if you look … having a budget of 400 dollars shouldn’t by any means confine someone to playing a “starter” guitar … however if you HAVE to buy new then guitar center has some very good deals but this is why I suggest the used rout …

Anyway I didn’t mean to insinuate anyone needs to buy from a “secret guitar players club” … I bought half my guitars off ebay – I don’t consider it secret- well about as secret as google … my point is doing a little digging and research will get you a better quality guitar you will enjoy playing for many years and for not very much money - buying the guitar in a box special at guitar center almost certainly will not ... in general your dollar won't travel as far there when there are endless used options … and again what ever you do spend the extra 30 bucks and have someone set it up for you - even the nicest guitars play like crap if they are not properly set up …
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« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2007, 04:57:24 pm »
If it refers to my post … Again I said take the advice with a grain of salt … but I will say I am constantly dumbfounded by some of the “advice” given trying to make a sale … its not always the case but there is a reputation for a reason … if you go in there and know what your talking about sure great advice can be had (because most those guys are good dudes and many are very good musicians) but they are trying to push product like anyone else … nothing wrong with it - just be skeptical … I couldn’t begin to tell you how much crap I’ve bought from guitar center and I am probably going there today but I hear just as much used car talk in that place as anywhere else … I will say there is less of that kind of thing that happens at Rockin Robin and much much less at Fullers (but both of those places are much too pricey -  moreso than guitar center - and don’t have a good stock of inexpensive guitars – so they don’t make sense in this situation) … overall I think guitar center is a great place to look around and do some playing and find what you like but you can find a better deals out there if you look … having a budget of 400 dollars shouldn’t by any means confine someone to playing a “starter” guitar … however if you HAVE to buy new then guitar center has some very good deals but this is why I suggest the used rout …

Anyway I didn’t mean to insinuate anyone needs to buy from a “secret guitar players club” … I bought half my guitars off ebay – I don’t consider it secret- well about as secret as google … my point is doing a little digging and research will get you a better quality guitar you will enjoy playing for many years and for not very much money - buying the guitar in a box special at guitar center almost certainly will not ... in general your dollar won't travel as far there when there are endless used options … and again what ever you do spend the extra 30 bucks and have someone set it up for you - even the nicest guitars play like crap if they are not properly set up …



Not directed specifically at you, though your post sort of spurred my response.  I was simply saying that guitar playing, like anything else, certainly attracts its share of "I'd only do it this way..." crowd, which also has its share of pretentious blowhards (again, not referring to your).  One will hear lots of things from "Fender is your best buy" to "whatever you do, don't buy a Fender".  Advice from anyone on anything should be taken with a grain of salt, and it's best to get as much advice as you can from as many different people as you can.  As for the budget, there are lots of quality guitars on the market, new and used, in the $300-400 range.  One need not settle for a kit in a box, nor should one have to exhaust himself trying to find a used gem.  Lots of opinions, lots of choices out there.  I think more importantly than anything, buy a guitar you're comfortable with, and one you'll want to play. 

Agree on the setup.  It's amazing how much better your guitar will feel when it's set up properly, something that simply cannot be found "out of the box".
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« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2007, 05:15:18 pm »
I wanted "total newbie" advice, and you guys have done a great job.

I've also asked my guitar-playing friends, and their responses are as varied as y'alls are.  Which is great, the more viewpoints the better...


It would have been helpful if you had said from the get go that you were an experienced musician who was simply switching to the guitar from another stringed instrument.  At any rate, you're gonna get tons of advice from every angle here.  The simplest advice is to do your homework and talk to people about where you are an where you want to go with your guitar playing.  And don't believe what you hear about people who work at music stores...they can often offer great advice if you ask for it.  And there is nothing wrong with buying a guitar at Guitar Center.  It doesn't have to come from the secret underground guitar players club to be a decent guitar.
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« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2007, 06:05:54 pm »

Not directed specifically at you, though your post sort of spurred my response.  I was simply saying that guitar playing, like anything else, certainly attracts its share of "I'd only do it this way..." crowd, which also has its share of pretentious blowhards (again, not referring to your).  One will hear lots of things from "Fender is your best buy" to "whatever you do, don't buy a Fender".  Advice from anyone on anything should be taken with a grain of salt, and it's best to get as much advice as you can from as many different people as you can.  As for the budget, there are lots of quality guitars on the market, new and used, in the $300-400 range.  One need not settle for a kit in a box, nor should one have to exhaust himself trying to find a used gem.  Lots of opinions, lots of choices out there.  I think more importantly than anything, buy a guitar you're comfortable with, and one you'll want to play. 

Agree on the setup.  It's amazing how much better your guitar will feel when it's set up properly, something that simply cannot be found "out of the box".
I agree with you and the best advice is find what you like and go for it ...

I get what your saying and trust me there is a level of music/gear snobery that bugs the living @#$% out of me - lots of good guitars and basses out there and like i've said a few times my main instrument is a bass I paid 80 dollars for on ebay and it plays fantastic ...

Generally 400 can go a long way - but you may find a hell of a deal at GC, absolutly, no reason not to look ... GC is a great place to go and certainly a good place to start ... I bought a keyboard there 6 months ago new that was priced better with a warrenty than any used 'as is' deal I could find, significantly better ... I know a few guys that work in the GC on westhiemer that will shoot you strait and give dead on advice ... of course I have also been told when browsing the acoustics "hey I'd really like to get you into this ovation over here" ... I couldn't help but laugh and not because I don't care much for ovations ... 

I certainly don't have it in for guitar center ... I am probably going to be there in about an hour buying a bass cab because I want a new one with a warrenty and they are good about handeling that stuff ... very good ... but good guitars don't spoil - I would just suggest to spend a little time looking around ...


.... by the way I just realized my first post sounded like YOU HAVE TO BUY USED ... didn't mean for it to come off like that ... only that I wouldn't be afriad to go that route - I think thats going to be your best bet, but don't let it prevent you from looking around ...
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« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2007, 06:14:54 pm »
Not sure what your budget is,  but from my experience a Epiphone ES-295 hollow body is just awesome.  Its great for all types of music.

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« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2007, 06:29:59 pm »
I've used both American and Mexican precision basses extensively in punk rock bands and took both of them with me on the road.  The differences when playing them are minimal to me and in fact my Mexican actually held up better. I know the parts and labor is the difference but to me I can't tell enough of a difference. Now if I could afford a Rickenbacker, THAT is what I'd be playing.


the cool thing about guitars is that as long as you have good pickups and decent-enough stability in the construction of the instrument, you can more or less make any guitar sound good.  it's not like you'd play an american p-bass and then play a mexican one and be shocked at how bad the mexican one sounds.  they both have the same basic design, and similar pickups if not the same exact ones depending on where you buy it.  and like i said before, you can always just buy your own pickups and put it in yourself to get a different sound that you might get out of the factory.

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« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2007, 06:26:21 am »
Not sure what your budget is,  but from my experience a Epiphone ES-295 hollow body is just awesome.  Its great for all types of music.

I had a Joe Pass Epiphone Emperor for a lot of years, very similar to the ES-295 from the look of it (if not the same model??).  Very sweet guitar, great, great tone.  Bought it at Texas Music Emporium in about 93; the list was $800, it was on sale for $600, and I traded in a really nice 12 string acoustic, for which they gave me $400, so I ended up paying $200 for it.  Sold it a few years ago for $600, so I think I made out ok  :D  The only problem I had with it was a little fret buzz toward the end, but it was 10 years old by that time, and probably easily fixed.

I would always recommend TME for at least a good look around.  I bought my first real guitar there, a Tele (I'm also a Tele guy like several other posters.  Had a Mexican Strat for awhile, but didn't like it.  Don't like Strat necks..!!  But I digress).  TME always had good deals.

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« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2007, 01:26:58 am »
I wanted "total newbie" advice, and you guys have done a great job.

I've also asked my guitar-playing friends, and their responses are as varied as y'alls are.  Which is great, the more viewpoints the better...

Shameless Plug-- It's hard to let this go by without a comment. You are in SA, right? I have a music store in SA with several guitar teachers who are pretty good players. You can get your ax anywhere (I mainly sell Yamaha), but if you want a line on some teachers, let me know--Shameless Plug.

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« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2007, 07:36:57 am »
Yes, I am in SA.  I think I will make the purchase by the end of next week.

Thanks for the advice.  You aren't Krazy Kat by any chance?



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« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2007, 11:40:59 am »
No, I'm not, you can email/PM me if you wish. I am not sure if advertising my business, further than I already have, would be Kosher.

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« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2007, 02:38:18 pm »
I've got a black Ibanez s-470 http://cachepe.samedaymusic.com/media/quality,85/brand,sameday/S470BK-6e336d3c7074d6beb367a4f7bba02a2d.jpg I'm willing to sell. I've had it for 4-5 year,I was the 2nd owner. Has the usually wear n tear of a 5 year used guitar. Email me if interested [email protected]

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« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2007, 08:56:25 am »
No, I'm not, you can email/PM me if you wish. I am not sure if advertising my business, further than I already have, would be Kosher.

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« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2007, 07:48:59 am »
gwat, check your PM!

Well, I went out and got a Mexican Telecaster last night. 

One of my friends is going to loan me an acoustic as well.  Another one has a line on an amp.

I'm checking around for lessons.  What is a reasonable price to pay for lessons?  I'm thinking weekly one-hour lessons.

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« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2007, 07:51:56 am »
I'm checking around for lessons.  What is a reasonable price to pay for lessons?  I'm thinking weekly one-hour lessons.


One hour is a long lesson.  Most are 1/2 hour.  But they'll run you about $15-20 for a 1/2-hour lesson or $30-45 for an hour probably.  Considerably cheaper than baseball lessons.
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« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2007, 09:27:23 am »

One hour is a long lesson.  Most are 1/2 hour.  But they'll run you about $15-20 for a 1/2-hour lesson or $30-45 for an hour probably.  Considerably cheaper than baseball lessons.

I pay $25 a half hour for lessons.  An hour would be a long time.
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« Reply #34 on: September 20, 2007, 12:11:09 pm »
I think I paid about $400 for my Fender Jazz Bass and a decent amp at Guitar Center about 5 years ago.

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