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« on: August 27, 2007, 05:17:23 pm »
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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2007, 05:21:10 pm »
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Re: Footer on 1560AM right now (5:15) nm
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2007, 05:25:03 pm »
Asked if she had talked to the players.   Said she had talked to a few, they all thought this would happen, just didnt see it happening right now.

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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2007, 05:26:07 pm »
She has been pretty harsh on Tim.   Called this years draft a disaster. 

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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2007, 05:26:17 pm »
The radio goober keeps focusing on the draft picks not getting signed. Why is it so hard to understand why that happened?
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2007, 05:26:37 pm »
Said that the teams play this week may have been the straw the camels back.
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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2007, 05:27:42 pm »
Doesnt think we will make a splash in the free agency market.   Also expects Lamb and Loretta to get offered arb, but not to be back.
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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2007, 05:30:48 pm »
She has been pretty harsh on Tim.   Called this years draft a disaster. 



How can she know this already? I usually enjoy her insight, but I don't know what to think about this.
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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2007, 05:37:53 pm »
How can she know this already? I usually enjoy her insight, but I don't know what to think about this.

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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2007, 05:40:19 pm »
How can she know this already? I usually enjoy her insight, but I don't know what to think about this.

She cited the not signing the top two picks.
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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2007, 05:46:34 pm »
She cited the not signing the top two picks.

If the two top picks didn't sign because of money, then I blame the money man.
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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2007, 06:14:31 pm »
If the two top picks didn't sign because of money, then I blame the money man.
or you could blame the players advisors.  granted, that's something you should have figured out in background checks.

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« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2007, 06:17:33 pm »
or you could blame the players advisors.  granted, that's something you should have figured out in background checks.

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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2007, 06:18:13 pm »
or you could blame the players advisors.  granted, that's something you should have figured out in background checks.

The Astros were told that these particular players wanted a certain slot money and then the stance changed when the advisors got involved.  I don't fault the kids much because they have options like good college programs.  I don't necessarily fault the advisors either, they're just trying to pick up clients.  The Astros?  Well, until they went through this experience, do you think they had a jaundice opinion about these draftees and said to themselves "they're lying to us... we better stay away!".  I doubt it.  But what I heard Purpura say point blank was this will definitely effect how they draft "high school" players from now on.

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« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2007, 07:03:43 pm »
Footer explained that MLB was pushing hard for teams to stick with 'slot money' and so they did. They were asking for 1st and 2nd round money for 3rd and 4th round picks. I don't blame the Astros for turning it down.
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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2007, 07:27:49 pm »
Footer explained that MLB was pushing hard for teams to stick with 'slot money' and so they did. They were asking for 1st and 2nd round money for 3rd and 4th round picks. I don't blame the Astros for turning it down.

We hashed the fuck out of this thing in the draft thread on the bus.  Do we need to go back down this road again here? <Aimed at all, not just Ty.>
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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2007, 09:12:52 pm »
Footer explained that MLB was pushing hard for teams to stick with 'slot money' and so they did. They were asking for 1st and 2nd round money for 3rd and 4th round picks. I don't blame the Astros for turning it down.

Such is life when dealing with 18 year olds who can tell you to fuck off, go to college, then re-enter the draft in 3 years..

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« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2007, 09:19:21 pm »
Such is life when dealing with 18 year olds who can tell you to fuck off, go to college, then re-enter the draft in 3 years.. maybe.

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« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2007, 09:22:07 pm »
Such is life when dealing with 18 year olds who can tell you to fuck off, go to college, then re-enter the draft in 3 years..

Here's the thing, most of them could sign, try professional baseball and if it fails, go to college on the MLB tab.  It's very common.  It was pointed out in the previous thread discussing the draft and subsequent failure to sign the top 2 picks.  This comes down to two kids changing their minds because someone got in their heads.  They better hope like hell they perform over the next three years.  That tactic has not worked out too well for a number of highly thought of highschoolers who simply proved the believers wrong.  But hey, they can always tell their grand-kids, I was drafted by the Astros!  They just better hope the kids don't ask why they didn't PLAY for the Astros...
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« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2007, 09:26:54 pm »
Such is life when dealing with 18 year olds who can tell you to fuck off, go to college, then re-enter the draft in 3 years..

This is true and the one thing that is now prevalent for all MLB organizations.  What other teams did to avoid the embarassment of being told to "fuck off" and see the kid go off to college is throw the money at them that they weren't going to and certainly well offline from the commissioner's outline.  Ironically, the MLBPA wouldn't have raise any stink if all teams colluded to hold the line on spending for draftees.  The MLBPA doesn't care about non-members to the union, they care if the non-members to the union like these draftees start to effect the mid-class to lower-class MLB player's livelihood though.  So in some ways, the MLBPA is a bit concerned that teams have started to throw money at draftees to circumvent the collegiate experience.

Further irony, Houston did this in the past with Try Patton and Jimmy Barthmeir, so they know they can and will do this if they have too.  This time they chose to try and hold the line and now look like an inept organization because of it.  Which really means that if they're going to hold the line (as a semi-policy), then they better stay away from high school kids in the first several rounds.  Had they had this in place several years ago though, Troy Patton would be in this year's draft after completing his third or fourth year at University of Texas and not making his major league debut for the Astros.
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« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2007, 09:41:25 pm »
This is true and the one thing that is now prevalent for all MLB organizations.  What other teams did to avoid the embarassment of being told to "fuck off" and see the kid go off to college is throw the money at them that they weren't going to and certainly well offline from the commissioner's outline.  Ironically, the MLBPA wouldn't have raise any stink if all teams colluded to hold the line on spending for draftees.  The MLBPA doesn't care about non-members to the union, they care if the non-members to the union like these draftees start to effect the mid-class to lower-class MLB player's livelihood though.  So in some ways, the MLBPA is a bit concerned that teams have started to throw money at draftees to circumvent the collegiate experience.

Further irony, Houston did this in the past with Try Patton and Jimmy Barthmeir, so they know they can and will do this if they have too.  This time they chose to try and hold the line and now look like an inept organization because of it.  Which really means that if they're going to hold the line (as a semi-policy), then they better stay away from high school kids in the first several rounds.  Had they had this in place several years ago though, Troy Patton would be in this year's draft after completing his third or fourth year at University of Texas and not making his major league debut for the Astros.

In fairness, Patton and Barthmaier were 1st to 2nd round talents.  They both dropped for signability concerns.  Dietrich and Eibner were not signability concerns.  They were not considered by any team, I'm told, to be any better than where they were drafted respectively.  The Astros would have ponied up supplemental 1st round money for Jones if Jones would have settled for it.  MLB didn't want guys drafted in the 13th round to be paid better than 5th round money.  So, for the talent, the Astros would have busted the slot.  For the others, they didn't have to.
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« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2007, 09:44:39 pm »
In fairness, Patton and Barthmaier were 1st to 2nd round talents.  They both dropped for signability concerns.  Dietrich and Eibner were not signability concerns.  They were not considered by any team, I'm told, to be any better than where they were drafted respectively.  The Astros would have ponied up supplemental 1st round money for Jones if Jones would have settled for it.  MLB didn't want guys drafted in the 13th round to be paid better than 5th round money.  So, for the talent, the Astros would have busted the slot.  For the others, they didn't have to.

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« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2007, 09:58:38 pm »
Thanks, well said (and a big reason for the Bus Ride's well earned reputation for dispensing great information on the minor leagues).

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« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2007, 10:39:23 pm »
Whatever. Thanks to Jacksonian and other Bus Riders, I can now add the Astros draft to the list of topics kicked around on the radio that prompts me to stick my fingers in my ears while driving. Damn Jacksonian and his hedon ways. I've almost missed my exit ten times in the last two weeks.

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