Ty Wiggington

[Noe]

(Hey, watch me single-handedly put this guy into a major slump... I've got powers I tells ya!)

Watching last night's game, I especially looked forward to watching Ty Wiggington swing the bat versus a fireballer like Penny.  I was not dissappointed, in fact I was more impressed than I thought I'd be, given how I remembered Wiggington's bat from his Met's days.  Go to show you that faulty memory and false impressions tend to cloud our perception of players sometimes (both in a good and bad way).  Any way, a few observations:

1. Dude has a seriously quick bat, which is very important.
2. Having said quick bat is perhaps the primary reason he's a pull hitter and not so much that he tries to pull everything.  (Hidalgo Syndrome)
3. He generates some pretty decent power.
4. Outside pitches don't seem to be as much a problem for him as I suspected.
5. He stays on the breaking pitches well, so it's not just about hitting the fastball.

So as a hitter, he reminds me of a heavier version of Vinny Castilla.  As an overall player?  Here you go:

1. He's slow footed on the bases but showed some good instincts running last night.   Still, he was running on Gonzo and that may not be a good indicator of how well he can run the bases just yet.
2. Has some challenges at third, but not enough from what I can see to say he's a bad option.  Far from it.

Lastly, he's hitting the ball well and if last night is an indication of how he strikes the ball overall, it's no wonder that he's doing so well for the club right now:

BA = .333
OBP = .407
SLG = .489

Those are good numbers even if it is a small sample size (45 ABs).  But then again, if this were Hunter Pence doing this, some of you would be screaming about wanting to have his baby... and I don't mean the TZ women folk either.  So I guess there is just something non-sexy about Tyrone (bald-headed men get no love) or perhaps (perhaps) it is about not wanting to jinx him or Purpura's reputation for making bad trades right now.

Overall though, he looks very good to me.

[JimR]

(Hey, watch me single-handedly put this guy into a major slump... I've got powers I tells ya!)

Watching last night's game, I especially looked forward to watching Ty Wiggington swing the bat versus a fireballer like Penny.  I was not dissappointed, in fact I was more impressed than I thought I'd be, given how I remembered Wiggington's bat from his Met's days.  Go to show you that faulty memory and false impressions tend to cloud our perception of players sometimes (both in a good and bad way).  Any way, a few observations:

1. Dude has a seriously quick bat, which is very important.
2. Having said quick bat is perhaps the primary reason he's a pull hitter and not so much that he tries to pull everything.  (Hidalgo Syndrome)
3. He generates some pretty decent power.
4. Outside pitches don't seem to be as much a problem for him as I suspected.
5. He stays on the breaking pitches well, so it's not just about hitting the fastball.

So as a hitter, he reminds me of a heavier version of Vinny Castilla.  As an overall player?  Here you go:

1. He's slow footed on the bases but showed some good instincts running last night.   Still, he was running on Gonzo and that may not be a good indicator of how well he can run the bases just yet.
2. Has some challenges at third, but not enough from what I can see to say he's a bad option.  Far from it.

Lastly, he's hitting the ball well and if last night is an indication of how he strikes the ball overall, it's no wonder that he's doing so well for the club right now:

BA = .333
OBP = .407
SLG = .489

Those are good numbers even if it is a small sample size (45 ABs).  But then again, if this were Hunter Pence doing this, some of you would be screaming about wanting to have his baby... and I don't mean the TZ women folk either.  So I guess there is just something non-sexy about Tyrone (bald-headed men get no love) or perhaps (perhaps) it is about not wanting to jinx him or Purpura's reputation for making bad trades right now.

Overall though, he looks very good to me.

me, too. very solid player.

[WulawHorn]

This post has nothing to do with anything you were saying about Wigginton the hitter (b/c I'm not smart enough to see a lot of what you are talking about) but about Wigginton as a player:

I just like the way he plays the game full tilt. Did anyone notice that DP lane hit into in the middle innings (fairly routine) he busted his ass to get in on kent and took him out. Caused a throw in the dirt that was picked, but hey- it could have just as easily not been picked and saved an out.

[Noe]

(b/c I'm not smart enough to see a lot of what you are talking about)

I'm not either, I just make shit up!

[Noe]

me, too. very solid player.

Ironically, this particular trade (Wiggington for Wheeler) is eggszactly the type of trade that Gerry Hunsicker was praised for pulling off the majority of his Houston tenure.  Limit budget, check!  Sign key player, check!  Grab role players (solid ones) to build around core players, check, check, check!

Hunsicker would pull guys out of other organizations that most people wouldn't even bother to acknowledge as anything significant (and why should they?).  But Hunsicker knew what he was doing and it was always a good risk to make a trade for him because he knew eggszactly what type of player he needed and where he could find one.  Further irony is that this is the way he got Dan Wheeler, a piece of the puzzle for Hunsicker.  But trades like Carl Everett for John Hudek always fly under the radar until something happens and that player no one acknowledged or cared to think about from Hunsicker would start to perform.  Has Purpura pulled a "Hunsicker" move with Wiggington?  I dunno, maybe.  But you can see what he was doing by simply seeing what Wiggington does on the field.  This is eggszactly the type of guy you want to fill in as a role player around Berkman, Pence and Lee.  I would've loved for them to have kept Wheeler and sent Qualls to Philly for Bourn (yet another Hunsicker type of deal), but if they were going to make a move, this sort of out of the radar, media head scratching, great unwashed doesn't understand it  type of move is praise worthy.  But that won't happen until Wiggington is somehow transformed in the 2008 version of the 1999 C4.

Then someone... maybe... just one person... will say "Hey look!  Maybe Purpura does know what he's doing...".  Naaaah, who am I kidding!

[pravata]

Ironically, this particular trade (Wiggington for Wheeler) is eggszactly the type of trade that Gerry Hunsicker was praised for pulling off the majority of his Houston tenure.  Limit budget, check!  Sign key player, check!  Grab role players (solid ones) to build around core players, check, check, check!

Hunsicker would pull guys out of other organizations that most people wouldn't even bother to acknowledge as anything significant (and why should they?).  But Hunsicker knew what he was doing and it was always a good risk to make a trade for him because he knew eggszactly what type of player he needed and where he could find one.  Further irony is that this is the way he got Dan Wheeler, a piece of the puzzle for Hunsicker.  But trades like Carl Everett for John Hudek always fly under the radar until something happens and that player no one acknowledged or cared to think about from Hunsicker would start to perform.  Has Purpura pulled a "Hunsicker" move with Wiggington?  I dunno, maybe.  But you can see what he was doing by simply seeing what Wiggington does on the field.  This is eggszactly the type of guy you want to fill in as a role player around Berkman, Pence and Lee.  I would've loved for them to have kept Wheeler and sent Qualls to Philly for Bourn (yet another Hunsicker type of deal), but if they were going to make a move, this sort of our of the radar, media head scratching, great unwashed doesn't understand it  type of move is praise worthy.  But that won't happen until Wiggington is somehow transformed in the 2008 version of the 1999 C4.

Then someone... maybe... just one person... will say "Hey look!  Maybe Purpura does know what he's doing...".  Naaaah, who am I kidding!

The other thing about it is how he plays, like WuLaw mentioned.  The Astros have in the recent past been known as a team that plays the game right.  Some have noticed that this is sliding this season.  By the time a player gets to the majors it's hard to teach him anything new.  Acquiring guys like Wigginton might help them remain a team we want to watch.

[Dobro]

Ironically, this particular trade (Wiggington for Wheeler) is eggszactly the type of trade that Gerry Hunsicker was praised for pulling off the majority of his Houston tenure.  Limit budget, check!  Sign key player, check!  Grab role players (solid ones) to build around core players, check, check, check!

Hunsicker would pull guys out of other organizations that most people wouldn't even bother to acknowledge as anything significant (and why should they?).  But Hunsicker knew what he was doing and it was always a good risk to make a trade for him because he knew eggszactly what type of player he needed and where he could find one.  Further irony is that this is the way he got Dan Wheeler, a piece of the puzzle for Hunsicker.  But trades like Carl Everett for John Hudek always fly under the radar until something happens and that player no one acknowledged or cared to think about from Hunsicker would start to perform.  Has Purpura pulled a "Hunsicker" move with Wiggington?  I dunno, maybe.  But you can see what he was doing by simply seeing what Wiggington does on the field.  This is eggszactly the type of guy you want to fill in as a role player around Berkman, Pence and Lee.  I would've loved for them to have kept Wheeler and sent Qualls to Philly for Bourn (yet another Hunsicker type of deal), but if they were going to make a move, this sort of out of the radar, media head scratching, great unwashed doesn't understand it  type of move is praise worthy.  But that won't happen until Wiggington is somehow transformed in the 2008 version of the 1999 C4.

Then someone... maybe... just one person... will say "Hey look!  Maybe Purpura does know what he's doing...".  Naaaah, who am I kidding!

I agree with your position on the Wigginton trade, but there's far more evidence that suggests Purpura does not know what he's doing than there is to suggest that he does.

[JimR]

I agree with your position on the Wigginton trade, but there's far more evidence that suggests Purpura does not know what he's doing than there is to suggest that he does.

nope.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

(Hey, watch me single-handedly put this guy into a major slump... I've got powers I tells ya!)

I wouldn't worry about it.  I think the BBGs make a special exception for praising a player if you turn around and misspell that players name, repeatedly.

Dobro... only because you focus on the negative.  Always.

[BudGirl]

The other thing about it is how he plays, like WuLaw mentioned.  The Astros have in the recent past been known as a team that plays the game right.  Some have noticed that this is sliding this season.  By the time a player gets to the majors it's hard to teach him anything new.  Acquiring guys like Wigginton might help them remain a team we want to watch.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=2975417

[Dobro]

The Astros have in the recent past been known as a team that plays the game right.  Some have noticed that this is sliding this season. 

Yes, in a big way.  And Carlos Lee is the main reason.

[BudGirl]

Yes, in a big way.  And Carlos Lee is the main reason.

main reason?  I don't think so.

[Dobro]

nope.

Yep.

[pravata]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=2975417

Excellent.

[Dobro]

main reason?  I don't think so.

Care to opine on who/what started the trend we are currently witnessing?

[Noe]

The other thing about it is how he plays, like WuLaw mentioned.  The Astros have in the recent past been known as a team that plays the game right.  Some have noticed that this is sliding this season.  By the time a player gets to the majors it's hard to teach him anything new.  Acquiring guys like Wigginton might help them remain a team we want to watch.

Yup.  Although a bit slow-footed like some of the guys hitting ahead of him, Wiggington does show a desire to run hard around the bases.  So does Lee at times.  It was the busting it down to first base that was the major problem earlier this year.  Hence why Purpura made it a point to meet specifically with Loretta, Lee and Berkman about it.  Were they being singled out for the lack of hustle down the line?  I think so.  And since that meeting, it's rarely cropped up again.

But having slow-footed mashers in the middle of the lineup isn't entirely a bad thing.  It is the lack of guys who can run the bases at the top of the lineup (and can also get on fairly regularily) that would make it a problem.  Two nights ago, there was that six run inning that started off kind of typical for Houston this year:

Loretta - single
Berkman - walk
Lee - single to right.

Instead of one run scored, man on third and first, you had the bases loaded.  Was it because Lee hit the ball too hard to right and it was picked up cleanly by the RF?  Perhaps, but it sure doesn't help matters that it was Berkman and Loretta on the bases for sure.

Scott - single to right.

One run scores, still bases loaded.  So here we have three singles wrapped around a walk, no outs and only one run scored.  One run!  I'd expect two, possibly three if they were lucky, to score.   Two for sure.  Instead they scored one.  Man, this is slow footed baseball and my expectation is the same production from the middle of the lineup will indeed be scoring more runs next year.  I think that because I'm certain they will have faster options at the leadoff and #2 hole.

[MusicMan]

Care to opine on who/what started the trend we are currently witnessing?

Look at first base.

[Noe]

I agree with your position on the Wigginton trade, but there's far more evidence that suggests Purpura does not know what he's doing than there is to suggest that he does.

So he got lucky and this is not indicative of knowing what he's trying to do?  I would seperate the outcome of a decision from the decision itself to make sure you're correct about "not knowing what he's doing".  That's just me because the Wiggington deal is still way too early to tell (sample size), but I can clearly see why he did what he did and what he's trying to accomplish.

That doesn't speak to being lucky nor blind squirrel type of stuff... because the reality is, if I based what I thought about this solely on 45 ABs of goodness from Wiggington, I'd be full of shit.

[BudGirl]

Care to opine on who/what started the trend we are currently witnessing?

Bagwell

[Dobro]

Look at first base.

Oh, I agree.  That's a problem, as well.

[JimR]

Yep.

your vendettas really are tiresome. every now and then post something you like.

[Dobro]

Bagwell

Did you miss the point?  Or do you disagree with the assertion that this team doesn't play as "right" as we are used to?

[BudGirl]

Did you miss the point?  Or do you disagree with the assertion that this team doesn't play as "right" as we are used to?

did you miss my point that this team changed when Bagwell was no longer on it?

[Dobro]

did you miss my point that this team changed when Bagwell was no longer on it?

The lack of Bagwell is most definitely a factor, but a more significant factor is the fact that one of this team's star players is the anti-Bagwell.

[Noe]

Dobro... only because you focus on the negative.  Always.

Actually, for a guy who played the game, Dobro shocks me continually for being more responsive towards the outcome of anything being the reason to have disdain against players/managers/GMs.  It's okay, at least you know what you get from Dobro... outcome based caustic opinions.  If Lidge is putting up great numbers, he's very quiet.  If not, then the "Lidge sucks" post will reign.

Kind of odd to have such a surface level viewpoint from an ex-player, but it is what it is.

[Noe]

your vendettas really are tiresome. every now and then post something you like.

He doesn't react to good to great performances.  Only to bad ones.  That is why he agreed with my Wigginton post.  He's doing well.  Had he not and started off like Aubrey Huff last year (which is a mirror type deal whether he wants to admit it or not), Dobro would've said "Purpura sucks!" right away.

[Dobro]

Actually, for a guy who played the game, Dobro shocks me continually for being more responsive towards the outcome of anything being the reason to have disdain against players/managers/GMs.  It's okay, at least you know what you get from Dobro... outcome based caustic opinions.  If Lidge is putting up great numbers, he's very quiet.  If not, then the "Lidge sucks" post will reign.

Kind of odd to have such a surface level viewpoint from an ex-player, but it is what it is.

How did this turn to a discussion of Brad Lidge?  Anyway, you're wrong, Noe.  Check my recent posts.  I praised Lidge for his turnaround, but that does not change my displeasure for the way management has handled Lidge over the past few seasons.

[JimR]

Actually, for a guy who played the game, Dobro shocks me continually for being more responsive towards the outcome of anything being the reason to have disdain against players/managers/GMs.  It's okay, at least you know what you get from Dobro... outcome based caustic opinions.  If Lidge is putting up great numbers, he's very quiet.  If not, then the "Lidge sucks" post will reign.

Kind of odd to have such a surface level viewpoint from an ex-player, but it is what it is.

because he left the game very angry at it, apparently.

[Dobro]

He doesn't react to good to great performances.  Only to bad ones.  That is why he agreed with my Wigginton post.  He's doing well.  Had he not and started off like Aubrey Huff last year (which is a mirror type deal whether he wants to admit it or not), Dobro would've said "Purpura sucks!" right away.

I never criticized Aubrey Huff or Purpura for making the deal.

[Noe]

I never criticized Aubrey Huff or Purpura for making the deal.

Cool.  That is two deals that Purpura "knew what he's was doing"?  (at least).

[Dobro]

because he left the game very angry at it, apparently.

No, Jim, I'm not angry at all. 

And it's quite ironic that the OWA Resident Curmudgeon would accuse anyone of being angry.

[Dobro]

Cool.  That is two deals that Purpura "knew what he's was doing"?  (at least).

I wouldn't go that far.

[pravata]

Cool.  That is two deals that Purpura "knew what he's was doing"?  (at least).

He knew what he intended to do with the Jennings trade.  Pretty sly of him to send the Rockies two injured players though.

[JimR]

No, Jim, I'm not angry at all. 

And it's quite ironic that the OWA Resident Curmudgeon would accuse anyone of being angry.

whatever you say.

poll the group. you seem to be taking fire from a number of folks. you are consistently negative and critical in your posts. perhaps there are things you like, but you never share them. you remind me of a good friend who was released by the Rangers and has spent the rest of his life trying to convince folks that management had it in for him. your vendettas against Lidge and Purpura have no substance.

[Noe]

How did this turn to a discussion of Brad Lidge?

Oh, I'd say it was your constant two years of post on Lidge himself that pretty much clouds your reputation (if you will).

Anyway, you're wrong, Noe.

About what eggszactly Dobro?  That you throw out the "he sucks" post liberally with the performance outcomes or that you can actually go beyond performances for just one minute and see that while the performance isn't there, you can actually see what they're (player or management) is trying to do?  Because if it's the latter, then I've never seen that from you.  Ever.  But the former is cool by me because like I said, I can accept that of you, it's okay by me.

Just don't tell me you don't do that because you do.

Check my recent posts.  I praised Lidge for his turnaround, but that does not change my displeasure for the way management has handled Lidge over the past few seasons.

You once said this (paraphrased) "Anyone who thinks that Brad Lidge will ever be a major league pitcher/closer ever again is full of shit!" (or something to that effect).  That is a very pointed and closed statement that you were very adamently standing by and whenever I tried to talk to you about it, you never backed off.  Please spare me the post that somehow you've managed to become very rational about Lidge and management.  I find it hard to believe.

Not that you cannot change mind you, you probably can (being an ex player and all, it wouldn't surprise me that you do know your baseball).  But something tells me from your last "He doesn't know what he's doing...." post that it probably isn't so.

[Noe]

I wouldn't go that far.

Eggszactly.  Thank you Mr. Leopard!

[Noe]

He knew what he intended to do with the Jennings trade.

Per-zactly!  You have to seperate the "worse deal in the history of the Houston Astros" vitrol being brought forth from the great unwashed from the "he doesn't know what he's doing" types.  I won't argue the former because that is performance based pablum.  The latter goes a lot deeper than just performance based.

[Duman]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=2975417

Just ask catcher Koyie Hill, who suffered a broken ankle while being steamrolled by Wigginton, or Yadier Molina, whose cage was similarly rattled. Wigginton isn't the most skilled or graceful athlete. But he's a grunting, snorting, collision-inducing machine.

Let's see the left fielder collided with Everett and broke his leg, now we traded for the "human 4 car pile up" to play next to him at 3rd.  If I was his insurance man, I would be calling.

[Dobro]

Oh, I'd say it was your constant two years of post on Lidge himself that pretty much clouds your reputation (if you will).

Noe, you've listened to Jim say it so much that you now believe it to be true.  Go back and search my posts.  I've rarely opined on Brad Lidge.

[Dobro]

your vendettas against Lidge and Purpura have no substance.

Just as your vendettas against Craig Biggio and others do not.

[Noe]

Noe, you've listened to Jim say it so much that you now believe it to be true.  Go back and search my posts.  I've rarely opined on Brad Lidge.

Dobro, I'm basing my opinion on our own give and takes, nothing else.  Believe what you want, this has nothing to do with Jim.  I form my own opinions on my own interactions and I stand by what I said about you based on two years of reading your stuff with me.

That you think I misunderstood your two years worth of rants on Brad Lidge is laughable.

[JimR]

Noe, you've listened to Jim say it so much that you now believe it to be true.  Go back and search my posts.  I've rarely opined on Brad Lidge.

right, Dobro. Noe cannot think for himself or make his own decisions. i tell him what to think and say.

"rarely opinied on Brad Lidge?" that is truly funny. i'm sure someone can put your posts end to end.

[Dobro]

Dobro, I'm basing my opinion on our own give and takes, nothing else.  Believe what you want, this has nothing to do with Jim.  I form my own opinions on my own interactions and I stand by what I said about you based on two years of reading your stuff with me.

That you think I misunderstood your two years worth of rants on Brad Lidge is laughable.

So a conversation that you and I had is now "two years worth of rants?" 

[JimR]

Just as your vendettas against Craig Biggio and others do not.

hilarious

[Duman]

right, Dobro. Noe cannot think for himself or make his own decisions. i tell him what to think and say.

Let's see Jim's post are averaging 5 letters.

Noe' post are averaging 500 words.

I can see how Jim is putting words in his mouth.  That makes perfect sense!  It also explains why Jim's post are so short, he is too busy telling Noe what to say.  Why didn't I see this before.

[Noe]

So a conversation that you and I had is now "two years worth of rants?" 

I am merely telling you that pretty much all of my conversations with you dealt with performance based rants and usually it was about Brad Lidge.  I don't know why you're trying to back away from that, it's... again... okay by me that you want to do that.  But you can't be seriously wanting me to somehow ascribe rational, well thought out, beyond surface level performance based outcome reactions by you as the staple of what your contributions were in our conversations, can you?

If so, somewhere there is a disconnect or you're in big denial my friend.  So seriously, you honestly think I misunderstood you?

[Noe]

Noe' post are averaging 500 words.

I must be slipping.

[Dobro]

Just went back and checked my posts.  I've commented on Lidge in less than 20 of 475 posts.  And some of those posts were in one thread and some were positive comments.  So, about 3% of the time, I criticize Brad Lidge.  Not hardly "two years worth of rants." 

[Noe]

Just went back and checked my posts.  I've commented on Lidge in less than 20 of 475 posts.  And some of those posts were in one thread and some were positive comments.  So, about 3% of the time, I criticize Brad Lidge.  Not hardly "two years worth of rants." 

Then the problem is me.  Thanks.  Maybe you never said "Anyone who thinks Brad Lidge is going to make it back to being a major league pitcher/closer.... blah, blah, blah".  I suck.

[Noe]

Dobro... only because you focus on the negative.  Always.

No, only 3% of the time!

[JimR]

No, only 3% of the time!

my fave of the 3%: "Are you fucking kidding?  The words Lidge, Astros, and 2007 should never be used in the same sentence again.  He had "every opportunity" to get right in 2006."

[Dobro]

Maybe you never said "Anyone who thinks Brad Lidge is going to make it back to being a major league pitcher/closer.... blah, blah, blah". 

I never said that, Noe.

[Noe]

I never said that, Noe.

Paraphrase means I wasn't sure about the exact wording, but you know what... it doesn't matter.  I suck and you never rant nor said anything about Lidge above 3% of commentary (usually well thought out and level-headed if I read your implication correctly), so the point is *mute*.

Thanks.  I'll ignore you now.

[Dobro]

Paraphrase means I wasn't sure about the exact wording, but you know what... it doesn't matter.  I suck and you never rant nor said anything about Lidge above 3% of commentary (usually well thought out and level-headed if I read your implication correctly), so the point is *mute*.

Thanks.  I'll ignore you now.

So you sling a bunch of BS my way (that was overblown by Jim) which has very little merit, I correct you, and now you want to get pissy, grab your toys and go home?

You must be having a bad day, Noe, or spending too much time around Jim.

[JimR]

So you sling a bunch of BS my way (that was overblown by Jim) which has very little merit, I correct you, and now you want to get pissy, grab your toys and go home?

You must be having a bad day, Noe, or spending too much time around Jim.

at least we have identified the Villain.

you'd better pm him this. i think he has you on "ignore."

[Dobro]

at least we have identified the Villain.

you'd better pm him this. i think he has you on "ignore."

Nah, you tell him over a Shiner later when you two are sitting around admiring each other's baseball brilliance and snickering at the rest of the mortals.

[JimR]

Nah, you tell him over a Shiner later when you two are sitting around admiring each other's baseball brilliance and snickering at the rest of the mortals.

will do

[austro]

Let's see the left fielder collided with Everett and broke his leg, now we traded for the "human 4 car pile up" to play next to him at 3rd.  If I was his insurance man, I would be calling.

This is what I've been wondering about, too. I can't shake the image of the old newsreel footage of two locomotives colliding.

[MRaup]

This is what I've been wondering about, too. I can't shake the image of the old newsreel footage of two locomotives colliding.

With Everett playing the damsel in distress, tied to the tracks?

"Help me, Fat Elvis! Help me!"

[Froback]

With Everett playing the damsel in distress, tied to the tracks?

"Help me, Fat Elvis! Help me!"

He can't he is talking with Sean Casey...

"Man this blue-tooth stuff is amazing, you can use it WHILE playing.  It isn't quite as nice as talking to you in person... Man you ought to see the chic in the third row here in LA. (tosses some seeds in) Whanf shum sheeds... oh riiighhthh, you artgf rillee here.  (spitting out a few seeds) Did I mention I got a bluetooth for my phone?"

[WulawHorn]

Dobro, I think you have the JimR is a crumudgeon thing wrong. He is rarely ever crumudgeon like about players on the astros or the bigs in general, it is usually manifested with posters around here, especially if they are speaking out of their ass.

I think he gets bent out of shape way more about people saying a ball player sucks (unfairly at times) then with the actual ballplayer.

Just my two cents.

[Noe]

will do

Hmmmmmm shiner! (Funny what people actually believe.  I suck and don't know jack shit about anything, and yet no one will believe me when I say it).

[Noe]

So you sling a bunch of BS my way (that was overblown by Jim) which has very little merit, I correct you, and now you want to get pissy, grab your toys and go home?  You must be having a bad day, Noe, or spending too much time around Jim.

Took you off ignore so I can answer this one (final conversation, trust me).

Couple of items:

1.  I put you on ignore as a courtesy to you because I had so badly misinterpreted your 3%.  I don't want to do that with you any more because honestly (and I am being honest here)... I really don't understand your post if this is what you call positive.  If I see a rant (consistently), then I feel it's okay to call it that because, again honestly, I would think you (or anybody else who rants) would be okay with me calling it that.  Why?  Because of course you're ranting and I have no problem with it.  But you're adamant you don't rant and you're positive and all that, blah, blah, blah.  So to me, the choice I have left is to ignore you *because I don't understand you*.

2. I'm not at all pissy about anything.  I was cool with what I thought you were all about, but you seem to think it differently than I.  So perhaps it's best I don't ascribe "negative" or "rants" to you any more merely because I simply: Do. Not. Understand. You.

3. You're fixation with Jim is just that.  I have nothing, zero, zilch, nada, zip to do with him.  So instead of me ascribing anything negative here about your desire to lump me into your obsesssion (*which of course you'll deny and cite some stat saying you talk about Jim less than 2% of the time*), let's just say I want no part of it and for your and my own sake, it's better that I just ignore you.

So now that my position is very clear to you, I hope you will not respond because I will not answer any more of your whacked or made up opinions about *why* I put you on ignore.  I think it's pretty straight forward, I don't understand you, evidence by my own misreading of what I thought was your constant rants about Lidge.  Since it's hard for me to understand you and because I suck, why don't I just ignore you and leave you to avoid having to read my opinions about you for the near and distant future and of course to have to make you go and count up your own post and do some high math to come up with your percentage of positive versus negative.  My bad, I suck for having to make you do that.

It's really a good thing in my mind for both of us.  Nothing negative at all in what I'm doing, not at all, and I would put it at 100% too.

[JimR]

Wow, Noe, thanks a damn lot. You have nothing to do with me? What the hell do I do with all this Shiner?

[pravata]

Took you off ignore so I can answer this one (final conversation, trust me).

Noe, just put the fuckers on ignore and move on.  Life is too short to deal with idiots.

[Dobro]

Noe, just put the fuckers on ignore and move on.  Life is too short to deal with idiots.

You aren't kidding, brotha.  I'm lovin' this ignore feature.  Who knew brushin' off ankle-biters could be this easy?

[stubbyc]

So you sling a bunch of BS my way (that was overblown by Jim) which has very little merit, I correct you, and now you want to get pissy, grab your toys and go home?

You must be having a bad day, Noe, or spending too much time around Jim.

Fighting against strawman arguments shouldn't be a surprise. Ignore Jim like most do, you'll feel better.

[stubbyc]

Dobro, I think you have the JimR is a crumudgeon thing wrong. He is rarely ever crumudgeon like about players on the astros or the bigs in general, it is usually manifested with posters around here, especially if they are speaking out of their ass.

Hilarious.

[VirtualBob]

Wow, Noe, thanks a damn lot. You have nothing to do with me? What the hell do I do with all this Shiner?

I'd be glad to help out ...

[JimR]

Hilarious.

ah, the main Ass Talker weighs in. maybe they can make a movie....

[Ty in Tampa]

stubbyc logs in to OWA, sees only Dobro. Vice versa.

[JimR]

i need a clarification.

when a poster calls the opinions of folks who disagree with him "hypocrisy" and thereby climbs to the top of the Moral Mt. Everest, is that a new step for a troll?

i'm just wondering if stubby has broken new ground here.

i am glad stubby told me that most ignore me. i was wondering what the echo was, and now i know i'm talking to myself in an empty room.

Dobro must have put about 10 people on ignore. is there any chance Dobro and stubby are twins separated at birth?

[Noe]

I wouldn't worry about it.  I think the BBGs make a special exception for praising a player if you turn around and misspell that players name, repeatedly.

Looks like I'm doing well with the jinxosity!  I praise a guy, that night he hits into two key GIDP.  I rule!

[94CougarGrad]

Wow, Noe, thanks a damn lot. You have nothing to do with me? What the hell do I do with all this Shiner?

I'll be happy to take it off your hands...

[drew corleone]

I'll be happy to take it off your hands...

Damn... that reminds me... I finished off my Shiner 98 last night. Need more.

[WulawHorn]

Damn... that reminds me... I finished off my Shiner 98 last night. Need more.

You can have mine. I know that it's heresy of the highest order but I wasn't that impressed. I love regular shiner and it is my prefered beer.  I'm probably taste defective.

[MRaup]

You can have mine. I know that it's heresy of the highest order but I wasn't that impressed. I love regular shiner and it is my prefered beer.  I'm probably taste defective.

Good God, man.

[drew corleone]

You can have mine. I know that it's heresy of the highest order but I wasn't that impressed. I love regular shiner and it is my prefered beer.  I'm probably taste defective.

Ha! Bring it to the first tailgate.

[JimR]

You can have mine. I know that it's heresy of the highest order but I wasn't that impressed. I love regular shiner and it is my prefered beer.  I'm probably taste defective.

Wulaw, i continually am amazed at what you are willing to admit here without being forced to. you must be Catholic.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

Wulaw, i continually am amzed at what you are willing to admit here without being forced to. you must be Catholic.

As a catholic, I resent that!... okay, not really.  That was pretty funny.

[JimR]

As a catholic, I resent that!

and you feel guilty that you do.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

and you feel guilty that you do.

which is why I edited that post!.... Damn, are you a catholic?  Maybe married to one?  You have far too much insight into the catholic mind to have no connection.

[JimR]

which is why I edited that post!.... Damn, are you a catholic?  Maybe married to one?  You have far too much insight into the catholic mind to have no connection.

nope. protestant all the way.

[stubbyc]

stubbyc logs in to OWA, sees only Dobro. Vice versa.

FOS as usual Ty. I probably have responded less than 5 times to Dobro.

[MRaup]

FOS as usual Ty. I probably have responded less than 5 times to Dobro.

Awesome. It doesn't matter who it is, they're FOS if they're not Stubby or another of the Outsiders.

[JimR]

FOS as usual Ty. I probably have responded less than 5 times to Dobro.

hey, stubby--you SUCK!

(i love being on ignore).

[94CougarGrad]

You can have mine. I know that it's heresy of the highest order but I wasn't that impressed. I love regular shiner and it is my prefered beer.  I'm probably taste defective.

I tried to think of some witty comment about you being taste defective, but it's getting late, I've been without Astros games all weekend, and all I could come up with is, "What, is your tongue broken?" which I'm sure will lead to some amusement... so never mind.

[MusicMan]

Awesome. It doesn't matter who it is, they're FOS if they're not Stubby or another of the Outsiders.

Stay gold, Ponyboy.