Author Topic: The deal that Purpura passed on (Read 8152 times)

pravata · « **on:** August 01, 2007, 01:01:09 pm »

The Mariners had a few potential scenarios in play but only came close on one, which Bavasi described as coming down to the final three minutes before the 1 p.m. PDT deadline before the other team decided to stand pat.

Sources later revealed that the deal would have brought former All-Star second baseman Mark Loretta from Houston in exchange for a Class A pitcher and a player to be named later. Loretta, who is batting .294 this season while playing every infield position for the Astros, would have been a right-handed bat off the bench.
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ckutac · « **Reply #1 on:** August 01, 2007, 01:05:20 pm »

Quote from: pravata on August 01, 2007, 01:01:09 pm

The Mariners had a few potential scenarios in play but only came close on one, which Bavasi described as coming down to the final three minutes before the 1 p.m. PDT deadline before the other team decided to stand pat.

Sources later revealed that the deal would have brought former All-Star second baseman Mark Loretta from Houston in exchange for a Class A pitcher and a player to be named later. Loretta, who is batting .294 this season while playing every infield position for the Astros, would have been a right-handed bat off the bench.
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Without knowing who the Class A pitcher was that Seattle offered for Loretta you can't say for sure, but it sure doesn't sound like all to tempting of an offer.

MusicMan · « **Reply #2 on:** August 01, 2007, 01:05:29 pm »

See what happens when reporters actually... you know, report?

That "deal" is laughable, and Purpura was right to pass on it.

MusicMan · « **Reply #3 on:** August 01, 2007, 01:06:12 pm »

Quote from: ckutac on August 01, 2007, 01:05:20 pm

Without knowing who the Class A pitcher was that Seattle offered for Loretta you can't say for sure, but it sure doesn't sound like all to tempting of an offer.

"Players that can help now or in the near future."

Unless that A pitcher is the next coming of Doc Gooden, the criteria are not met.

pravata · « **Reply #4 on:** August 01, 2007, 01:07:39 pm »

Quote from: ckutac on August 01, 2007, 01:05:20 pm

Without knowing who the Class A pitcher was that Seattle offered for Loretta you can't say for sure, but it sure doesn't sound like all to tempting of an offer.

Does not sound like nor was it.

94CougarGrad · « **Reply #5 on:** August 01, 2007, 01:08:15 pm »

Heavens to Nolan Ryan, thank goodness he didn't take that deal. I hate the "player to be named later" stuff.

ckutac · « **Reply #6 on:** August 01, 2007, 01:10:45 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on August 01, 2007, 01:06:12 pm

"Players that can help now or in the near future."

Unless that A pitcher is the next coming of Doc Gooden, the criteria are not met.

I am not saying that a class A pitcher met what pup was looking for, just saying that the compensation that we would get from Loretta assuming he leaves via FA, sounds better than a Class A pitcher....

kevwun · « **Reply #7 on:** August 01, 2007, 01:17:06 pm »

For that to have been even remotely doable, the A guy would have had to been young and highly regarded before the draft and pitched great since it. Good pitchers in A ball are tricky as hell to judge. It's routine to have guys that dominate in A ball and then fall off the face of the earth.

Limey · « **Reply #8 on:** August 01, 2007, 01:17:27 pm »

Quote from: 94CougarGrad on August 01, 2007, 01:08:15 pm

Heavens to Nolan Ryan, thank goodness he didn't take that deal. I hate the "player to be named later" stuff.

Very often ends up being a cash transaction, when the two clubs can't agree on a player.

kevwun · « **Reply #9 on:** August 01, 2007, 01:47:02 pm »

I think we should try to get Ensberg back as the PTBNL. Harry Chiti and Dickie Noles are lonely.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #10 on:** August 01, 2007, 01:55:01 pm »

Quote from: kevwun on August 01, 2007, 01:17:06 pm

For that to have been even remotely doable, the A guy would have had to been young and highly regarded before the draft and pitched great since it. Good pitchers in A ball are tricky as hell to judge. It's routine to have guys that dominate in A ball and then fall off the face of the earth.

I don't know much about the M's prospects, but with just a cursory glance Nathan Adcock seems to fit that bill. He's 19. Drafted in 2006. He mastered rookie ball last year and low-A this year. He was recently promoted to high-A. He's the only one I found that would make Purp hesitate before saying no. Unless they have another guy with a major power arm that hasn't translated to the stat sheet yet that's it.

kevwun · « **Reply #11 on:** August 01, 2007, 02:09:56 pm »

Sounds kind of like Troy Patton. What would the reaction have been if the Astros had traded Patton for Loretta when he was in high A ball?

Mike S · « **Reply #12 on:** August 01, 2007, 02:17:10 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on August 01, 2007, 01:55:01 pm

I don't know much about the M's prospects, but with just a cursory glance Nathan Adcock seems to fit that bill. He's 19. Drafted in 2006. He mastered rookie ball last year and low-A this year. He was recently promoted to high-A. He's the only one I found that would make Purp hesitate before saying no. Unless they have another guy with a major power arm that hasn't translated to the stat sheet yet that's it.

Adcock is the only guy I could think of as well. The problem, as Kevwun stated, is that A ball pitchers in particular are damn tough to judge. Still, two Adcock type prospects for Loretta and you've got me listening...

Jacksonian · « **Reply #13 on:** August 01, 2007, 02:19:08 pm »

Quote from: kevwun on August 01, 2007, 02:09:56 pm

Sounds kind of like Troy Patton. What would the reaction have been if the Astros had traded Patton for Loretta when he was in high A ball?

The analogous time would have been July of 05. Patton for "a right-handed bat off the bench." The reaction probably would have been Purp got ripped off.

kevwun · « **Reply #14 on:** August 01, 2007, 02:42:49 pm »

I agree, so we can't expect the the Seattle GM to do something that we would be pissed at Purpura for if the roles were reversed. I imagine the two teams went around in circles with this deal. Seattle didn't want to give up an AA or AAA prospect because hey, it's Mark Loretta. The Astros didn't want an A ball pitcher because hey, it's Mark Loretta.

The Spleen · « **Reply #15 on:** August 01, 2007, 03:11:36 pm »

Class A pitching prospects have about the same success rate as baby sea turtles...

JimR · « **Reply #16 on:** August 01, 2007, 03:12:39 pm »

Quote from: The Spleen on August 01, 2007, 03:11:36 pm

Class A pitching prospects have about the same success rate as baby sea turtles...

exhibit A: Wilfredo Rodriguez.

The Spleen · « **Reply #17 on:** August 01, 2007, 03:51:03 pm »

Quote from: JimR on August 01, 2007, 03:12:39 pm

exhibit A: Wilfredo Rodriguez.

I'm not sure if this belongs here or in the other late 90's what-if thread... but just think about all the ridiculous pitching talent the Astros had in the pipeline... Rodriguez, Henriquez, Hernandez, Miller, Elarton, Redding, Oswalt, etc... Ok, that Oswalt guy turned out pretty good... but... shitfuck. I think I might need to borrow Limey's chest of drawers for a little while...
It just goes to show you how freakishly lucky the 90's Braves were. Speaking of painful, private things... once Satan finally calls in his marker, John Schuerholz will be walking funny for the next decade or two...

Arky Vaughan · « **Reply #18 on:** August 01, 2007, 03:55:31 pm »

Quote from: The Spleen on August 01, 2007, 03:51:03 pm

I'm not sure if this belongs here or in the other late 90's what-if thread... but just think about all the ridiculous pitching talent the Astros had in the pipeline... Rodriguez, Henriquez, Hernandez, Miller, Elarton, Redding, Oswalt. Ok, that Oswalt guy turned out pretty good... but... shitfuck. I think I might need to borrow Limey's chest of drawers for a little while...
It just goes to show you how freakishly lucky the 90's Braves were. Speaking of painful, private things... once Satan finally calls in his marker, John Schuerholz will be walking funny for the next decade or two...

If you gave me a list of seven pitchers like that in any particular decade, and just one of them turned out to be as good as Oswalt, I'd say you've beaten the odds by a long, long way even if the other six turned out to be busts. Put another way, it was far less likely that Oswalt would turn out to be as good as he has been than it was that all seven of those players would be unsuccessful.

kevwun · « **Reply #19 on:** August 01, 2007, 04:05:40 pm »

The stems had 3 guys in the 90's that were dubbed Generation K. They were more hyped than Oswalt/Miller/Redding. The only one of them who turned out was Jason Isringhausen and that wasn't until Oakland tried him at closer. Getting Oswalt doesn't seem so bad in comparison.

Limey · « **Reply #20 on:** August 01, 2007, 04:09:09 pm »

Quote from: kevwun on August 01, 2007, 04:05:40 pm

The stems had 3 guys in the 90's that were dubbed Generation K. They were more hyped than Oswalt/Miller/Redding. The only one of them who turned out was Jason Isringhausen and that wasn't until Oakland tried him at closer. Getting Oswalt doesn't seem so bad in comparison.

You people are forgetting that the Astros also had Johan Santana...

Jacksonian · « **Reply #21 on:** August 01, 2007, 04:25:42 pm »

Quote from: Limey on August 01, 2007, 04:09:09 pm

You people are forgetting that the Astros also had Johan Santana...

Must............resist...........urge............to...............kill.................L..........i..........m...................e....y.

The Spleen · « **Reply #22 on:** August 01, 2007, 04:26:47 pm »

Quote from: Limey on August 01, 2007, 04:09:09 pm

You people are forgetting that the Astros also had Johan Santana...

More like blocking it out.
Oh well, I will be needing your drawer now. I think I'll go ahead and wrap the edges in 20 grit sandpaper for extra... uhhh... traction...

Bench · « **Reply #23 on:** August 01, 2007, 04:29:07 pm »

Quote from: kevwun on August 01, 2007, 04:05:40 pm

The stems had 3 guys in the 90's that were dubbed Generation K. They were more hyped than Oswalt/Miller/Redding. The only one of them who turned out was Jason Isringhausen and that wasn't until Oakland tried him at closer. Getting Oswalt doesn't seem so bad in comparison.

Bill Pulsipher and Paul Wilson were the other two.

kevwun · « **Reply #24 on:** August 01, 2007, 04:34:18 pm »

The Astros lost him because of a stupid MLB rule that punishes teams with good minor league systems. No one had any idea Santana would turn out the way he did when the Astros lost him to rule V. Stupid rule V.

dirty steve · « **Reply #25 on:** August 01, 2007, 04:36:14 pm »

Quote from: kevwun on August 01, 2007, 04:34:18 pm

The Astros lost him because of a stupid MLB rule that punishes teams with good minor league systems. No one had any idea Santana would turn out the way he did when the Astros lost him to rule V. Stupid rule V.

true--but talking heads dont think about that. they just think somehow Hunsicker saw 2 Cy Young awards in Santana's future.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #26 on:** August 01, 2007, 04:39:21 pm »

Quote from: kevwun on August 01, 2007, 04:34:18 pm

The Astros lost him because of a stupid MLB rule that punishes teams with good minor league systems. No one had any idea Santana would turn out the way he did when the Astros lost him to rule V. Stupid rule V.

I think you could draw a direct line from that event to the Astros adding Paulino and Gutierrez to the 40-man while still in the lower levels of the minors.

Limey · « **Reply #27 on:** August 01, 2007, 04:47:10 pm »

Quote from: kevwun on August 01, 2007, 04:34:18 pm

The Astros lost him because of a stupid MLB rule that punishes teams with good minor league systems. No one had any idea Santana would turn out the way he did when the Astros lost him to rule V. Stupid rule V.

"You've written 'V' which is a number so despite your best efforts you have actually answered correctly. Let's see what you wagered...'Suck it, Trebek'"

MusicMan · « **Reply #28 on:** August 01, 2007, 04:49:28 pm »

"And... 'Famous Mothers'."
"Ha ha ha! Revenge is mine, Trabek!!"

Limey · « **Reply #29 on:** August 01, 2007, 04:51:26 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on August 01, 2007, 04:49:28 pm

"And... 'Famous Mothers'."
"Ha ha ha! Revenge is mine, Trabek!!"

"I'll take 'Anal Bumcover' for $400."

kevwun · « **Reply #30 on:** August 01, 2007, 04:53:41 pm »

A ducks walk in to a bar...

I don't remember the punchline, but your mother's a whore.

MusicMan · « **Reply #31 on:** August 01, 2007, 04:55:36 pm »

"I'll take 'The Rapists' for $400."
"That's 'Therapists', Sean."
"Not a fan of the ladies, are you, Trabek?"

dirty steve · « **Reply #32 on:** August 01, 2007, 04:55:58 pm »

"i'll take famous titties for $400"
"that's famous titles"

austro · « **Reply #33 on:** August 01, 2007, 05:50:03 pm »

"I'll take swords for $400"
"That's S-words"

Crusher_Joe · « **Reply #34 on:** August 01, 2007, 07:06:14 pm »

Quote from: The Spleen on August 01, 2007, 03:51:03 pm

I'm not sure if this belongs here or in the other late 90's what-if thread... but just think about all the ridiculous pitching talent the Astros had in the pipeline... Rodriguez, Henriquez, Hernandez, Miller, Elarton, Redding, Oswalt, etc... Ok, that Oswalt guy turned out pretty good... but... shitfuck. I think I might need to borrow Limey's chest of drawers for a little while...
It just goes to show you how freakishly lucky the 90's Braves were. Speaking of painful, private things... once Satan finally calls in his marker, John Schuerholz will be walking funny for the next decade or two...

Post of the week candidate...

94CougarGrad · « **Reply #35 on:** August 01, 2007, 07:35:16 pm »

Quote from: Limey on August 01, 2007, 01:17:27 pm

Very often ends up being a cash transaction, when the two clubs can't agree on a player.

Yeah, I know, but I still think it sucks. Rather have a player worth trading for. "Suck it, Trebek."