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ESPN: A new low
« on: July 31, 2007, 11:39:45 am »
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Tom - New York, NY: What is happening with Morgan Ensberg?

 Jonah Keri: (10:18 AM ET ) 29 other teams should think about offering 30 cents on the dollar and stashing him away, that's what. Ensberg must have either run over Phil Garner's dog or slept with his sister, he was never going to get a fair shake in Houston. Now mind you, Ensberg's bad shoulder and general struggles are pretty obvious. But still, Houston's done a great job of killing his trade value.

Wow.  Just... wow.

But I loved this later exchange:

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Jonah Keri: (11:01 AM ET ) Lightning round, Joe Morgan's on deck, and I'm not the best second baseman ever to play the game...

Paul (Sioux City, Ia): Nap Lajoie is waiting to start a chat. Wow........

(Note: this is an ongoing chat through the deadline.)

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=16703
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Re: ESPN: A new low
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2007, 12:52:19 pm »
Keri's comments are amazing.

At least we know that the Chronical doesn't have a complete corner on the market of fuckwits acting like sports writers.
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Re: ESPN: A new low
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2007, 01:55:59 pm »
Give 'em time, Phil.
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Re: ESPN: A new low
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2007, 02:11:31 pm »
It continues:

Roger (Austin, TX): Ensberg must've run over Garner's cat or slept with his sister? I think it's the other way around. Tim Purpura kept him around as his value plummeted and Garner kept running him into the lineup after her continued to hit .230 over the last year. Ensberg did not get a raw deal. The Astros gave him too many opportunities if anything.

Jonah Keri: (2:39 PM ET) He just needed to be spotted correctly. Ensberg against all lefties and softer righties, and Lamb against legit righties would've netted some nice numbers. I don't think Ensberg is a star by any means, but I do think he'd be a very useful part-time player.

FYI, Ensberg batted .259/.330/.459 against lefties this year and .245/.463/.553 against lefties last year. Was that enough to justify keeping him on the roster?
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Re: ESPN: A new low
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2007, 02:16:00 pm »
Quote from: Arky Vaughan on July 31, 2007, 02:11:31 pm
It continues:

Roger (Austin, TX): Ensberg must've run over Garner's cat or slept with his sister? I think it's the other way around. Tim Purpura kept him around as his value plummeted and Garner kept running him into the lineup after her continued to hit .230 over the last year. Ensberg did not get a raw deal. The Astros gave him too many opportunities if anything.

Jonah Keri: (2:39 PM ET) He just needed to be spotted correctly. Ensberg against all lefties and softer righties, and Lamb against legit righties would've netted some nice numbers. I don't think Ensberg is a star by any means, but I do think he'd be a very useful part-time player.

FYI, Ensberg batted .259/.330/.459 against lefties this year and .245/.463/.553 against lefties last year. Was that enough to justify keeping him on the roster?

where has Keri managed?
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Re: ESPN: A new low
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2007, 02:16:47 pm »
Quote from: JimR on July 31, 2007, 02:16:00 pm
where has Keri managed?

I don't know. I wasn't nominating him to manage anywhere. What does that have to do with anything?
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Re: ESPN: A new low
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2007, 02:17:51 pm »
This horseshit is largely the consequence of the proliferation of SABRcentric websites and fantacrap pabulum. I've had a running argument about Ensberg on another website dating back to the middle of last year. Apparently Mo has many fans who consider their opinions about his play informed on the basis of their ability to use baseballreference.com without having to watch a single Astros game.
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Re: ESPN: A new low
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2007, 02:20:09 pm »
Quote from: matadorph on July 31, 2007, 02:17:51 pm
This horseshit is largely the consequence of the proliferation of SABRcentric websites and fantacrap pabulum. I've had a running argument about Ensberg on another website dating back to the middle of last year. Apparently Mo has many fans who consider their opinions about his play informed on the basis of their ability to use baseball-reference.com without having to watch a single Astros game.

FIFY.
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Re: ESPN: A new low
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2007, 02:22:42 pm »
Quote from: Arky Vaughan on July 31, 2007, 02:20:09 pm
FIFY.

Wow. I didn't know "FIFY" could be appropriately used without humor.
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Re: ESPN: A new low
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2007, 02:24:31 pm »
ESPN is saying Ensberg to SD
(didn't hear details)
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Re: ESPN: A new low
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2007, 02:25:00 pm »
Quote from: Lumpus on July 31, 2007, 02:24:31 pm
ESPN is saying Ensberg to SD
(didn't hear details)

Thanks for the news......clark
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Re: ESPN: A new low
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2007, 02:26:02 pm »
Quote from: matadorph on July 31, 2007, 02:17:51 pm
This horseshit is largely the consequence of the proliferation of SABRcentric websites and fantacrap pabulum. I've had a running argument about Ensberg on another website dating back to the middle of last year. Apparently Mo has many fans who consider their opinions about his play informed on the basis of their ability to use baseballreference.com without having to watch a single Astros game.

you just described BP's formula for success.
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Re: ESPN: A new low
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2007, 02:27:34 pm »
Quote from: Arky Vaughan on July 31, 2007, 02:16:47 pm
I don't know. I wasn't nominating him to manage anywhere. What does that have to do with anything?

"Jonah Keri: (2:39 PM ET) He just needed to be spotted correctly. Ensberg against all lefties and softer righties,"

don't be dense
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Re: ESPN: A new low
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2007, 02:33:51 pm »
Quote from: JimR on July 31, 2007, 02:27:34 pm
"Jonah Keri: (2:39 PM ET) He just needed to be spotted correctly. Ensberg against all lefties and softer righties,"

don't be dense

"SportsNation Jonah Keri: (3:26 PM ET ) Don't know yet, Erik. I'm waiting to hear too. I would bet it's not much...Houston killed his trade value."
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Re: ESPN: A new low
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2007, 02:36:23 pm »
Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on July 31, 2007, 02:33:51 pm
"SportsNation Jonah Keri: (3:26 PM ET ) Don't know yet, Erik. I'm waiting to hear too. I would bet it's not much...Houston killed his trade value."


He must have his computer set to voice recognition and he pre-taped what he was going to say about Ensberg.  The tape starts as soon as it recognizes the name Ensberg being typed and fills in the answer dialogue box with "... Houston killed his trade value".  I would love the damn thing to get stuck and just repeat over and over and over again: "Houston killed his trade value... Houston killed his trade value... Houston killed his trade value...."  Nice!
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Re: ESPN: A new low
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2007, 02:41:22 pm »
Quote from: JimR on July 31, 2007, 02:27:34 pm
"Jonah Keri: (2:39 PM ET) He just needed to be spotted correctly. Ensberg against all lefties and softer righties,"

don't be dense

I'm not being dense. I just don't care about who Keri is or whether he's ever managed. I could really care less.
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Re: ESPN: A new low
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2007, 02:43:00 pm »
Quote from: Sphinx Drummond on July 31, 2007, 02:33:51 pm
"SportsNation Jonah Keri: (3:26 PM ET ) Don't know yet, Erik. I'm waiting to hear too. I would bet it's not much...Houston killed his trade value."


Ever since November 2006.
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Re: ESPN: A new low
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2007, 02:44:04 pm »
Quote from: Arky Vaughan on July 31, 2007, 02:41:22 pm
I just don't care about who Keri is or whether he's ever managed. I could really care less.

you're being dense again.
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Re: ESPN: A new low
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2007, 02:53:34 pm »
Quote from: JimR on July 31, 2007, 02:44:04 pm
you're being dense again.

Not at all. I just don't subscribe to a line of reasoning that seeks to discredit the messenger without ever addressing the message. I don't care for Keri or any of his colleagues at BP, and I think his assertion that the Astros have wrecked Ensberg's trade value is preposterous. But that would be the case regardless of whether he'd managed the Yankees, a Little League team or his local McDonald's. I simply don't place the same amount of emphasis on credentials that you do.
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Re: ESPN: A new low
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2007, 02:54:55 pm »
Quote from: JimR on July 31, 2007, 02:44:04 pm
you're being dense again.

Let me put it another way, Jim. If he had managed at a relatievly competitive level, would that make his statement that the Astros wrecked Ensberg's trade value any less ludicrous?
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