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Nice quote on Pence:
« on: July 05, 2007, 02:14:51 pm »
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"He has a hitch in his swing, but he can hit,'' one scout said. "He doesn't throw properly, but he can throw. He doesn't run right, but he can run. I love him.''

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=kurkjian_tim&id=2926394&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos1

Sums it up pretty well.
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Re: Nice quote on Pence:
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2007, 02:18:16 pm »
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=kurkjian_tim&id=2926394&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos1

Sums it up pretty well.

exactly. he looks like hell doing it, but it gets it done. except when he drops fly balls.
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Re: Nice quote on Pence:
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2007, 02:59:34 pm »
Sums it up pretty well.

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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2007, 03:04:09 pm »
"Kinda funny lookin'."
So was Bagwell's stance, but it worked damn well, so I ain't complaining about Pence!!!
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Re: Nice quote on Pence:
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2007, 03:38:45 pm »
I think as of now Pence is the ROY, but I think that Braun kid is also proving to be a super rookie.  It will be interesting to watch who, if anyone, cools off.
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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2007, 03:46:18 pm »
I think as of now Pence is the ROY, but I think that Braun kid is also proving to be a super rookie.  It will be interesting to watch who, if anyone, cools off.

Tulowitskiajskejerejawsadr in Colorado has a better chance than Braun to take the ROY.  Maybe a slight edge on Pence as well.  Both will be criticised for playing in hitters parks though.

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Re: Nice quote on Pence:
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2007, 03:47:16 pm »
Tulowitskiajskejerejawsadr in Colorado has a better chance than Braun to take the ROY.  Maybe a slight edge on Pence as well.  Both will be criticised for playing in hitters parks though.

Disagree.  If Braun stays full time, he'll get the publicity when he qualifies for the leaderboards.  Slugging over 600 will do that for you.
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Re: Nice quote on Pence:
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2007, 03:50:55 pm »
Disagree.  If Braun stays full time, he'll get the publicity when he qualifies for the leaderboards.  Slugging over 600 will do that for you.


I'm not so sure he'll continue this though, he's been up about a month and a half less than Pence and his book hasn't been written yet. He's more an rbi guy than a home run guy. Pence will prove more consistent over the year.

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Re: Nice quote on Pence:
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2007, 03:52:52 pm »
So was Bagwell's stance, but it worked damn well, so I ain't complaining about Pence!!!
(constructive criticism, but never complaining... well almost never)


bagwell's stance numbed me to viewing any batting stance as weird or awkward as well as Wagner's 101mph fastball numbed me to all this Verlander and Zumaya hooplah

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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2007, 03:54:47 pm »
Disagree.  If Braun stays full time, he'll get the publicity when he qualifies for the leaderboards.  Slugging over 600 will do that for you.

Tulowhatev has been up longer.

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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2007, 03:56:45 pm »


I'm not so sure he'll continue this though, he's been up about a month and a half less than Pence and his book hasn't been written yet. He's more an rbi guy than a home run guy. Pence will prove more consistent over the year.

If I said such things in a matter of fact way about Pence, his head would not bobb, it would fall off.  The BBGs and I have an understanding.

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Re: Nice quote on Pence:
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2007, 03:57:30 pm »


I'm not so sure he'll continue this though, he's been up about a month and a half less than Pence and his book hasn't been written yet. He's more an rbi guy than a home run guy. Pence will prove more consistent over the year.

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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2007, 03:57:38 pm »


I'm not so sure he'll continue this though, he's been up about a month and a half less than Pence and his book hasn't been written yet. He's more an rbi guy than a home run guy. Pence will prove more consistent over the year.
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« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2007, 03:57:54 pm »
If I said such things in a matter of fact way about Pence, his head would not bobb, it would fall off.  The BBGs and I have an understanding.

esp after what happened in Corpus last season, one at bat at a time.

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Re: Nice quote on Pence:
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2007, 03:59:19 pm »
Tulowhatev has been up longer.

Yes, but his counting stats aren't going to blow anyone away.
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« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2007, 04:00:17 pm »
Yes, but his counting stats aren't going to blow anyone away.

I dunno, I think that kid is going to really do well this year for the entire year.  (*see me working here?*)

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Re: Nice quote on Pence:
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2007, 04:00:41 pm »
Disagree.  If Braun stays full time, he'll get the publicity when he qualifies for the leaderboards.  Slugging over 600 will do that for you.

A lot will be said about a rookie taking over the 3 hole on a 1st place club.
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« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2007, 04:06:34 pm »
A lot will be said about a rookie taking over the 3 hole on a 1st place club.

A lot can be said about the benefit of hitting in front of Prince.
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« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2007, 04:08:12 pm »
A lot can be said about the benefit of hitting in front of Prince.

A lot could be said of the benefit of hitting in front of Berkman.
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« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2007, 04:10:59 pm »
A lot can be said about the benefit of hitting in front of Prince.
...and after Hardy, even though he has cooled off recently.

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Re: Nice quote on Pence:
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2007, 04:11:07 pm »
Certainly, a lot is already being said.
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« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2007, 04:17:12 pm »
Certainly, a lot is already being said.
Isn't that the point of message boards?
or is that "they did alot of talking but didn't say much" type thing?

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Re: Nice quote on Pence:
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2007, 04:22:31 pm »
Pence (254 ABs) - .346/11 HR/40 RBI/36 R/7 SB/.972 OPS
Braun (147 ABs) - .347/8 Hr/29 RBI/31 R/8 SB/1.011 OPS

Obviously Braun will have to keep it up, but he is certainly creeping up on Pence already.  Its impressive that he has 8 SB.  But he has roughly 100 less ABs, so like others are saying.. he'd have to keep pace.
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Re: Nice quote on Pence:
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2007, 05:35:22 pm »
you do not know this.

Of course not, nor did you know this:

i'm telling you, Pence cannot even see "ready" on the horizon.

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« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2007, 05:41:41 pm »
Of course not, nor did you know this:


i believed it then; i believe it now. what he has done at the plate is little short of a miracle. you don't have to rely on my assessment. ask the RR Express folks if any of them thought he was ready after 20 games in AAA. as a matter of fact, you can read Albers' comments from yesterday or the day before. among other things, he said: "nobody saw this coming."

i hope his incredible success as a hitter continues, but i will not be surprised if there is a major dropoff. you should not be either. you'll still love him if he is hitting .280, won't you?
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« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2007, 05:43:45 pm »
i hope his incredible success as a hitter continues, but i will not be surprised if there is a major dropoff. you should not be either. you'll still love him if he is hitting .280, won't you?

I won't be surprised either way, and I don't pretend to know. I would still love him. I was right there with you, never expecting anything like this. I just think there's a time for us to suck up our pride and acknowledge that we were unqualifiedly dead wrong, and the radio yahoos were unqualifiedly dead right.

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Re: Nice quote on Pence:
« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2007, 05:52:55 pm »
I won't be surprised either way, and I don't pretend to know. I would still love him. I was right there with you, never expecting anything like this. I just think there's a time for us to suck up our pride and acknowledge that we were unqualifiedly dead wrong, and the radio yahoos were unqualifiedly dead right.
They weren't right, they were just lucky.  The talking heads have a long history of wrongly taking minor league phoenoms and extrapolating their production into the bigs.  They are not dead right just because they guessed correctly one time in 1,000.  PENCE!!! is exciting and his early production is very entertaining in an otherwise dull and frustrating Astros year so far (Biggio excepted) but we'll be equally wrong to do that extrapolation thing for him with his 250 AB's in the bigs so far.  Unless someone in here thinks he's Carlos Lee's younger brother or something.
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Re: Nice quote on Pence:
« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2007, 05:57:51 pm »
I won't be surprised either way, and I don't pretend to know. I would still love him. I was right there with you, never expecting anything like this. I just think there's a time for us to suck up our pride and acknowledge that we were unqualifiedly dead wrong, and the radio yahoos were unqualifiedly dead right.

i do not think that at all. i do not believe he was ready for the big leagues when he came up. he shows us every now and then that he still is not in certain aspects of his game. what he can do is swing the bat, and Garner did a masterful job of getting him in and out of the lineup and keeping him in a low pressure situation until he started getting his feet under him. opposing pitchers, inexplicably, have tried to pitch him in rather than away, which helps him hit.

when Cedeno came up at 19, he was awful at the plate. it took him awhile to adjust, and then he was fine. we see Pence adjust every day, and his BA blurs your vision and makes you overlook his obvious deficiencies as a player. the radio yahoos do not get any deeper into analysis than the sound of their own voices. i doubt any of them could have picked him out of a lineup or had ever seen him play.

i have no pride about this. i have been wrong many times about many things, baseball included. i do not think Pence was ready when he came up, but his hot streak--which is WAY better than he was doing in AAA--made everyone think immediately of Roy Hobbs. Hunter Pence was just another player in RR and had only 20+ games to settle in at AAA. he had shown no one he was ready for a promotion. he benefitted from panic in the owner's box and has been truly outstanding. good for him. i hope he hits .600. he seems to be a great, hard-working kid who listens and wants to learn. that is refreshing in this day of "look at me. i know it all."

i wonder what Pence thinks about his readiness after 20 AAA games? i know what Albers thought. he told us all. i know what the Express thought. i know what you think.
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Re: Nice quote on Pence:
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2007, 05:59:10 pm »
They weren't right, they were just lucky.  The talking heads have a long history of wrongly taking minor league phoenoms and extrapolating their production into the bigs.  They are not dead right just because they guessed correctly one time in 1,000.  PENCE!!! is exciting and his early production is very entertaining in an otherwise dull and frustrating Astros year so far (Biggio excepted) but we'll be equally wrong to do that extrapolation thing for him with his 250 AB's in the bigs so far.  Unless someone in here thinks he's Carlos Lee's younger brother or something.

See Luke Scott 2006 vs. Luke Scott 2007.

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Re: Nice quote on Pence:
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2007, 06:08:09 pm »
See Luke Scott 2006 vs. Luke Scott 2007.

and Luke Scott in ST 2005 (?). i watched him destroy pitching for a week in Florida that spring, and he continued his barrage all spring.

phenoms come, and phenoms go. Pence may have staying power and become a great hitter for an entire career. i certainly hope so.
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« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2007, 06:17:14 pm »
and Luke Scott in ST 2005 (?). i watched him destroy pitching for a week in Florida that spring, and he continued his barrage all spring.

phenoms come, and phenoms go. Pence may have staying power and become a great hitter for an entire career. i certainly hope so.

Pence's compact stroke enables him to make a lot of contact, which certainly makes up for other things he may be lacking at the plate, like plate discipline, but it wouldn't kill him to take a pitch once in a while.
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« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2007, 06:22:58 pm »
Pence's compact stroke enables him to make a lot of contact, which certainly makes up for other things he may be lacking at the plate, like plate discipline, but it wouldn't kill him to take a pitch once in a while.

or to lay off breaking balls that bounce. i do not understand why he is being pitched like he is, but i am glad.
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Re: Nice quote on Pence:
« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2007, 06:42:30 pm »
he seems to be a great, hard-working kid who listens and wants to learn. that is refreshing in this day of "look at me. i know it all."


this is why i'll "still love him" if he's hitting .280.  to see his genuine excitement for, say, recognizing that he's pulling off on his swing and then being able to correct it is a joy to watch.  his obvious enthusiasm for playing and learning the game is as fun to follow as anything else he does, and it sticks out like an immaculately healthy thumb on this team of sore thumbs.

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« Reply #33 on: July 05, 2007, 07:26:02 pm »
They weren't right, they were just lucky.  The talking heads have a long history of wrongly taking minor league phoenoms and extrapolating their production into the bigs.  They are not dead right just because they guessed correctly one time in 1,000.  PENCE!!! is exciting and his early production is very entertaining in an otherwise dull and frustrating Astros year so far (Biggio excepted) but we'll be equally wrong to do that extrapolation thing for him with his 250 AB's in the bigs so far.  Unless someone in here thinks he's Carlos Lee's younger brother or something.

They were neither right nor lucky.  They were persistent.  Every minor leaguer who has a 3-5 day in spring training is heralded as the Next Big Thing and if the Astros dont start him they're idiots.  Do we want to make a list?

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« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2007, 07:40:31 pm »
Of course not, nor did you know this:


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Re: Nice quote on Pence:
« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2007, 08:29:53 pm »
They were neither right nor lucky.  They were persistent.  Every minor leaguer who has a 3-5 day in spring training is heralded as the Next Big Thing and if the Astros dont start him they're idiots.  Do we want to make a list?
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« Reply #36 on: July 05, 2007, 08:31:01 pm »
As long as you don't ruin my evening by bringing up Eric Anthony.

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Re: Nice quote on Pence:
« Reply #37 on: July 05, 2007, 09:57:06 pm »
As long as you don't ruin my evening by bringing up Eric Anthony.

Why the hatin' on Eric Anthony?  I once sat near the upper deck seat that had his name on it for the home run he hit there.  Dude could mash.

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