Qualls suspension

[Curly]

Obviously, I know he was pissed when he laced that ball into the stands.  My question is what is the difference between what that what any other player does when they throw the ball into the stands after the third out?  So if the last out of the inning were to have been a fly out to the OF and the OF'er sent it into the stands would they have been suspended?  Both could be pissed at the outcome of the inning?  I think the decision is horse hockey, and yet another medow muffin in Selig's pasture.  But nobody asked me.

[JimR]

Obviously, I know he was pissed when he laced that ball into the stands.  My question is what is the difference between what that what any other player does when they throw the ball into the stands after the third out?  So if the last out of the inning were to have been a fly out to the OF and the OF'er sent it into the stands would they have been suspended?  Both could be pissed at the outcome of the inning?  I think the decision is horse hockey, and yet another medow muffin in Selig's pasture.  But nobody asked me.

because he was angry and could have hurt someone. he should be fined and suspended, but 3 is too many, imo.

[Curly]

So, if he's happy and lauches one into the crowd, there's no fine?

[MRaup]

So, if he's happy and lauches one into the crowd, there's no fine?

Have you ever seen a player throw a 90+ mile an hour laser into the upper deck in a fit of happiness?

[JimR]

So, if he's happy and lauches one into the crowd, there's no fine?

c'mon, Curly. don't be obtuse. players do not fire a ball into the stands trying to get it to a fan, and the fans are looking and waiting for the ball.

[Curly]

Have you ever seen a player throw a 90+ mile an hour laser into the upper deck in a fit of happiness?

 I've seen a number of outfielders thow balls into the upper deck on the 3rd out.  Qualls trajectory looked like nothing more than a popfly.  Not like he sent it into row 10 behind the dugout.

[JimR]

 I've seen a number of outfielders thow balls into the upper deck on the 3rd out.  Qualls trajectory looked like nothing more than a popfly.  Not like he sent it into row 10 behind the dugout.

ok, you be his lawyer. his catcher chided him for losing his temper, and i do not think the organization is defending what he did.

[Curly]

c'mon, Curly. don't be obtuse. players do not fire a ball into the stands trying to get it to a fan, and the fans are looking and waiting for the ball.

Not trying to be obtuse, just trying to figure out where MLB pulled the guidelines from on when and how a player can send a ball into the crowed.  I don't discount the fact that it was done in anger and that it hit the top end of the Juggs gun, but it was thown up, and at the angle it looked like if it didn't come right back down to the field seats, it wouldn't have much more on it than any other throw by the time it hit in the upper levels.  

[Curly]

ok, you be his lawyer. his catcher chided him for losing his temper, and i do not think the organization is defending what he did.

I'm not saying what he did was right, a monitary fine is one thing, but a suspension?  As stupid as the act itself.

[BudGirl]

Any word when he is suppose to serve the suspension?

[MusicMan]

Not trying to be obtuse, just trying to figure out where MLB pulled the guidelines from on when and how a player can send a ball into the crowed.  

You definitely should have defended Juan Marichal.  Where in MLB guidelines does it dictate where and when a player can swing a bat?

[dirty steve]

it really appeared to me Qualls fired the ball almost out of stadium in a fit of anger, as evidenced by the 4 letter word he yelled after throwing the ball.  most players dont yell f-bombs when casually flipping a ball into the stands at the end of an inning.

[JimR]

it really appeared to me Qualls fired the ball almost out of stadium in a fit of anger, as evidenced by the 4 letter word he yelled after throwing the ball.  most players dont yell f-bombs when casually flipping a ball into the stands at the end of an inning.

correct

[Curly]

You definitely should have defended Juan Marichal.  Where in MLB guidelines does it dictate where and when a player can swing a bat?

Though of that all by yourself did ya.

[MusicMan]

Though of that all by yourself did ya.

Yep.  Not just a hat rack.

[pravata]

it really appeared to me Qualls fired the ball almost out of stadium in a fit of anger, as evidenced by the 4 letter word he yelled after throwing the ball.  most players dont yell f-bombs when casually flipping a ball into the stands at the end of an inning.

That's where you're wrong.  Qualls said, after that inning he didnt want the ball in his hand any more.   Almost as if it was a malignant presence, like acid burning his hand.  He did what he had to do.  He could have pitched it into a bucket of Holy Water, but all they had was Gatorade.  Which to me, after 2-a-days, same thing.

[Curly]

correct

it really appeared to me Qualls fired the ball almost out of stadium in a fit of anger, as evidenced by the 4 letter word he yelled after throwing the ball.  most players dont yell f-bombs when casually flipping a ball into the stands at the end of an inning.

Ball landed in the upper deck.  Will a casaully flipped ball make it to the upper deck?  Are you saying he was fined because he dropped a F-bomb, or becuase it landed in the upper deck?

[utastro]

it really appeared to me Qualls fired the ball almost out of stadium in a fit of anger, as evidenced by the 4 letter word he yelled after throwing the ball.  most players dont yell f-bombs when casually flipping a ball into the stands at the end of an inning.

They do if they have touretts.

[JimR]

Ball landed in the upper deck.  Will a casaully flipped ball make it to the upper deck?  Are you saying he was fined because he dropped a F-bomb, or becuase it landed in the upper deck?

he was punished because he threw the ball into the stands in a fit of anger. he should have been fined. he should have to miss games. the only arguable issue is how many games. not even Qualls is saying that he should not be suspended.

[dirty steve]

Ball landed in the upper deck.  Will a casaully flipped ball make it to the upper deck?  Are you saying he was fined because he dropped a F-bomb, or becuase it landed in the upper deck?

what i said was that it was a temporary fit of rage that caused him to throw the ball into the stands.  not like he pointed to a kid or a friend sitting in the stands and flipped it to him.

i think he was fined/suspended for throwing the ball, not the vulgarity.

[Arky Vaughan]

Ball landed in the upper deck.  Will a casaully flipped ball make it to the upper deck?  Are you saying he was fined because he dropped a F-bomb, or becuase it landed in the upper deck?

Wouldn't the f-bomb tend to provide evidence that he threw the ball into the upper deck in a fit of anger? Major League Baseball is entitled to draw its own inferences about whether a player has done something in anger that, if he had not done so in anger, would not have led to punishment. There is no constitutional requirement that a jury find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Are you asking because you disagree with or because you do not perceive the distinction between what Qualls did and what players do every day when they toss a ball into the stands to a little kid after the third out?

[Mr. Happy]

because he was angry and could have hurt someone. he should be fined and suspended, but 3 is too many, imo.

Right. Players shouldn't ever throw a ball into the stands without having someone at least looking for a ball to come. Getting konked on the grape by an errant ball would be no fun. It should have been a one game suspension.

[Tralfaz]

What if his name was Roger Clemens, and the ball was a broken bat, and the upper deck was Mike Piazza?  Still suspended?

[Limey]

What if his name was Roger Clemens, and the ball was a broken bat, and the upper deck was Mike Piazza?  Still suspended?

One of the twonks on ESPN (can't remember which one) said of that incident: "If I was Mike Piazza, that broken end of bat would still be stuck up Clemens' ass!"

It was the moment that told you all you needed to know about both men:  Clemens is a complete dick, and Piazza is a complete pussy.  [I feel a "Team America" reset coming on...]