It's time for action

[MusicMan]

And the first action should be to designate Jason Lane for assignment.

Honestly... I'd DFA Orlando and Moehler as well... but that's the 9-game losing streak talking.

Call up Rodriguez (if you want a bat) or Anderson (given that absolutely nobody on this team can run for crap).

If you send out Orlando, bring up Bruntlett... give us another SS and a guy who can play outfield, along with a healthy dose of "Shut the Fuck Up" to Burke.

If you send out Moehler, you can't bring up MacLemore right now, so bring back Randolph.

This rancid collection of garbage sits squarely on Purpura's shoulders, and he damn well better start fixing it.

[Lefty]

Lane, Moehler, OP out.
Bruntlett, Randolph, Munson in.

That's a combination of the 9-game losing streak & a 5th of Weller's Centennial talking.

[JackAstro]

Lane, Moehler, OP out.
Bruntlett, Randolph, Munson in.

That's a combination of the 9-game losing streak & a 5th of Weller's Centennial talking.

Yes, yes. Those 3 will absolutely fix it.

[MusicMan]

Fix?  No.
Contribute more than those gone?  Probably.

[Lefty]

Who the hell said anything about fix?  There's not going to be a magic fix to this team.  It'll be a series of small things, better performance by those we can reasonably expect better performance from, in-house moves & hopefully some outside talent acquisition.

OP's fine by me, but I see no reason whatsoever to carry Lane & Moehler on this roster.

[JimR]

Munson can help. not M Rodriguez.

[Andyzipp]

Munson can help. not M Rodriguez.

Rodriguez in center, just to play defense, Pence in right?

That would be a huge reach.

[stubbyc]

And the first action should be to designate Jason Lane for assignment.

Honestly... I'd DFA Orlando and Moehler as well... but that's the 9-game losing streak talking.

Call up Rodriguez (if you want a bat) or Anderson (given that absolutely nobody on this team can run for crap).

If you send out Orlando, bring up Bruntlett... give us another SS and a guy who can play outfield, along with a healthy dose of "Shut the Fuck Up" to Burke.

If you send out Moehler, you can't bring up MacLemore right now, so bring back Randolph.

This rancid collection of garbage sits squarely on Purpura's shoulders, and he damn well better start fixing it.

I agree particularly regarding Lane although I don't think Rodriguez is a very good replacement. I honestly thought they would have made the move on the off day. I do not know what his purpose to this team is.

Moehler should have never been on the team. Garner is afraid to use him unless we're down by 6+.

[Foghorn]

If ONLY we still had Ben Zobrist!!!!

There has to be some AL team that can hit like crazy but can't field for shit that needs AE.  Surely we can get a couple High A players who may amount to something for him.

Lidge to the Braves for whatever they have in AA or AAA at catcher since McCann ain't going anywhere.

Jennings to the Mets or Indians for something.

Loretta and Lamb should get us something.

Long term, we have Berkman/Lee/Oswalt/Pence/Wheeler/Qualls and 19 losers once the above are moved out.  Outside of Pence we haven't drafted for shit as of late. 

We have 2 more years of prime Berkman/Lee/Oswalt before age and obesity starts to kick in.  Do something Count.

[Reuben]

I thought the time for action was a week or two ago. Or, regarding Lane, maybe two months ago.

[strosrays]

Lidge to the Braves for whatever they have in AA or AAA at catcher since McCann ain't going anywhere.

I watched them recently, McCann's backup is some guy named Sacco & Vanzetti, or something like that.  Big guy, switch-hitter, hit the crap out of the ball.  Very impressive at the plate, not sure about his defense.  The Caray's commented that he looked like he could handle big league pitching, if they could only find a place for him to play.  I was thinking, well, how about Houston?

[dirty steve]

mike gonzalez just went down for the season--haven't heard if the braves are fishing for middle relief with wickman and soriano back there, but soriano has already had to spell wickman for a little while this season.  not sure if they would want to feel the urgency to give up saltalamacchia for lidge maybe.  if i am purp it is definately something i look at.

[homer]

I watched them recently, McCann's backup is some guy named Sacco & Vanzetti, or something like that.  Big guy, switch-hitter, hit the crap out of the ball.  Very impressive at the plate, not sure about his defense.  The Caray's commented that he looked like he could handle big league pitching, if they could only find a place for him to play.  I was thinking, well, how about Houston?

Jarrod Saltalamachia. He was brought up for an injury, but they released their Wilson sister and he is staying with the big club. Might move to 1st.

[Mr. Happy]

DFA Lame, MoBerg, Moehler and OP. Bring up Randolph, Bruntlett, Munson and Conrad. Give Conrad a chance to win the 3B job.

[JimR]

If ONLY we still had Ben Zobrist!!!!

There has to be some AL team that can hit like crazy but can't field for shit that needs AE.  Surely we can get a couple High A players who may amount to something for him.

Lidge to the Braves for whatever they have in AA or AAA at catcher since McCann ain't going anywhere.

Jennings to the Mets or Indians for something.

Loretta and Lamb should get us something.

Long term, we have Berkman/Lee/Oswalt/Pence/Wheeler/Qualls and 19 losers once the above are moved out.  Outside of Pence we haven't drafted for shit as of late. 

We have 2 more years of prime Berkman/Lee/Oswalt before age and obesity starts to kick in.  Do something Count.

i definitely do not agree with this fire sale approach. i agree with the original post but not this.

[MikeyBoy]

And the first action should be to designate Jason Lane for assignment.

Honestly... I'd DFA Orlando and Moehler as well... but that's the 9-game losing streak talking.

Call up Rodriguez (if you want a bat) or Anderson (given that absolutely nobody on this team can run for crap).

If you send out Orlando, bring up Bruntlett... give us another SS and a guy who can play outfield, along with a healthy dose of "Shut the Fuck Up" to Burke.

If you send out Moehler, you can't bring up MacLemore right now, so bring back Randolph.

This rancid collection of garbage sits squarely on Purpura's shoulders, and he damn well better start fixing it.

The shit canning of Lane and/or Moehler is fine by me, but I'd prefer to keep OP.

[astrox]

Sean Berry should be shaking in his boots.  It seems that the hitting or pitching coaches are the first scapegoats...

Flashback:http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/nl/astros/2006-07-12-astros-batting-coach-fired_x.htm

[Jacksonian]

And the first action should be to designate Jason Lane for assignment.

Honestly... I'd DFA Orlando and Moehler as well... but that's the 9-game losing streak talking.

Call up Rodriguez (if you want a bat) or Anderson (given that absolutely nobody on this team can run for crap).

If you send out Orlando, bring up Bruntlett... give us another SS and a guy who can play outfield, along with a healthy dose of "Shut the Fuck Up" to Burke.

If you send out Moehler, you can't bring up MacLemore right now, so bring back Randolph.

This rancid collection of garbage sits squarely on Purpura's shoulders, and he damn well better start fixing it.

The problem is the first 3 hitters in the lineup aren't getting on base. Without that pressure, pitchers can pitch carefully to/around 4-6 because of how lightly 7-9 hit.  Plus if an inning starts with 8 and 9, pitchers don't have to pressure themselves to get those outs because the 1, 2, and 3 hitters aren't likely to get on base.  The Astros need a legit on-base/leadoff hitter.  I'd go after a centerfielder for that and move Pence to right.  I'd also deal for a third baseman who can hit.  I've already dealt Albers or whatever it takes for Mark Teahen in KC.

On the bench, I'd exchange Lane for Bruntlett.  I'd exchange Moehler for McLemore or Randolph also.  If you send out OP, I'd go with MRod or Anderson only if you want a 5th outfielder for late inning defense rather than as a bat off the bench.  You would still have Scott as a 4th outfielder and your lefty hitter with pop.  If you want an outfielder who can hit you'd probably have to deal for one.

That gives me:

Leadoff/CF (I dealt Qualls for Indians AAA prospect Gutierrez who has had a cup of coffee already and others)
Pence
Berkman
Lee
Teahen
Biggio
Ausmus
Everett
Pitcher

Lastly, and this pains me, if Everett can't hit .200 he's got to go.  For my money, and it's not, he's got to hit ~.230 or better to stay.  He's been swinging better lately, but the results have to be there.  (And I worry about him longer term with the back issue.) I have to wonder if a guy like Cody Ransom could play well enough at short to justify putting his superior bat in the lineup?  Otherwise, I'd have to deal for a shortstop.  If Ransom can handle it (and someone who's seen him in RR comment) then I'd have him at either 7 or 2 depending on how well he hits and Ausmus 8.

[VirtualBob]

I agree particularly regarding Lane although I don't think Rodriguez is a very good replacement. I honestly thought they would have made the move on the off day. I do not know what his purpose to this team is.

Moehler should have never been on the team. Garner is afraid to use him unless we're down by 6+.

Has anybody actually paid attention to MRod this year?  he still is not playing in the OF due to nagging shoulder issues and his punch-and-judy approach at the plate is not going to improve with major league pitching.  He'd be a good choice if the Astros think a full-time pinch runner would solve their problems.

[JimR]

Has anybody actually paid attention to MRod this year?  he still is not playing in the OF due to nagging shoulder issues and his punch-and-judy approach at the plate is not going to improve with major league pitching.  He'd be a good choice if the Astros think a full-time pinch runner would solve their problems.

my thought exactly. he cannot go to MLB.

[MusicMan]

my thought exactly. he cannot go to MLB.

Then Anderson it is.  Bruntlett and Conrad would both get calls from me before Burke.

[Foghorn]

Then Anderson it is.  Bruntlett and Conrad would both get calls from me before Burke.

We're shuffling around the deck chairs on the titanic.  The problem isn't with #25 man JLane, or #24 man OPalmeiro, or #23 man Scruffy Moehler.

Its outside of Oswalt, Berkman, Lee, Pence, Wheeler, Qualls, Lidge and possibly Jennings nobody else is worth much.  Loretta/Lamb are role players for good teams.  Williams has been horrible.  White since coming off the DL has been shitty. 

This team needs an aenema. 

[JimR]

We're shuffling around the deck chairs on the titanic.  The problem isn't with #25 man JLane, or #24 man OPalmeiro, or #23 man Scruffy Moehler.

Its outside of Oswalt, Berkman, Lee, Pence, Wheeler, Qualls, Lidge and possibly Jennings nobody else is worth much.  Loretta/Lamb are role players for good teams.  Williams has been horrible.  White since coming off the DL has been shitty. 

This team needs an aenema. 

so, you are going to trade everyone who is good, bad or horrible for prospects and start over? good luck on trading horrible for something good.

[Limey]

This team needs an aenema. 

That's sounds strangely familiar...

[MusicMan]

Foggy, I disagree - Loretta can still be a starting 2b for a good team.

[Foghorn]

so, you are going to trade everyone who is good, bad or horrible for prospects and start over? good luck on trading horrible for something good.

No.  I'm trading Everett, lamb, loretta, jennings, lidge.  I'm releasing the rest.

[JimR]

No.  I'm trading Everett, lamb, loretta, jennings, lidge.  I'm releasing the rest.

sure you are.

i almost thought this was a serious discussion. you're just bsing.

[MusicMan]

I'm serious - the bottom-of-the-roster moves are just "shake up the team" types of things.

To rebuild the team, I'm shopping Lidge, Jennings, and Loretta at the deadline.

[JimR]

I'm serious - the bottom-of-the-roster moves are just "shake up the team" types of things.

To rebuild the team, I'm shopping Lidge, Jennings, and Loretta at the deadline.

not me. i'll hide and watch your moves.

[pravata]

I'm serious - the bottom-of-the-roster moves are just "shake up the team" types of things.

To rebuild the team, I'm shopping Lidge, Jennings, and Loretta at the deadline.

See the NYCU, Purpura isn't interested in rebuilding.  Argue if you like, but you're going to be disappointed if you think the Astros should be that type of team.  Jennings is a delicate matter.  If they're unsure whether he's interested in signing with the Astros they might could get someone to overpay.  But he's a solid pitcher.  Those aren't easy to find, nor are they cheap.

[toddthebod]

I'm serious - the bottom-of-the-roster moves are just "shake up the team" types of things.

To rebuild the team, I'm shopping Lidge, Jennings, and Loretta at the deadline.

I'd trade Lidge and Jennings (and Ensberg and Burke, and Lamb, and Lane, and Scott) but I'd prefer to keep Loretta and give him the starting second base job next season.  

If I were the Astros, I try to keep the following position players for next season:

Pence cf
Lee lf
Loretta 2b
Everett ss

and Berkman -- either at 1st or rf.

And I would look to find free agents for c, 3b, and either 1st or rf (depending on who you can get with Berkman playing the other).

[MusicMan]

See the NYCU, Purpura isn't interested in rebuilding.  Argue if you like, but you're going to be disappointed if you think the Astros should be that type of team.  Jennings is a delicate matter.  If they're unsure whether he's interested in signing with the Astros they might could get someone to overpay.  But he's a solid pitcher.  Those aren't easy to find, nor are they cheap.

Honestly, I think Drayton's the one not interesting in rebuilding, which is going to put Purp in a no-win scenario.

[Jacksonian]

Honestly, I think Drayton's the one not interesting in rebuilding, which is going to put Purp in a no-win scenario.

I disagree.  IMO, the Astros are 2 everyday position players away from being the best team in the division.

[Astroholic]

Honestly, I think Drayton's the one not interesting in rebuilding, which is going to put Purp in a no-win scenario.

I am tired of hearing this excuse.  If Purp does not have the sack to stand up to Drayton and explain what he needs to imporve the team, then he needs to go.  The stros do not need a "yes" man as a GM.

[MusicMan]

I disagree.  IMO, the Astros are 2 everyday position players away from being the best team in the division.

Yes, but Roberto Clemente and Mike Schmidt aren't walking through that door.

[pravata]

Honestly, I think Drayton's the one not interesting in rebuilding, which is going to put Purp in a no-win scenario.

Either way.  Same thing.  It's been that way for awhile.  Hunsicker had been trying to add on since 98.  They got wrapped up in funding a new park, then justifying the new park.  Then they got into the WS.  I don't think the Astros feel they can lose the attention of their fans for a season.  They likely wouldn't come back.  They've had 3 million in attendance and close to that for several years.  Rebuilding is unknown territory. 

[pravata]

I am tired of hearing this excuse.  If Purp does not have the sack to stand up to Drayton and explain what he needs to imporve the team, then he needs to go.  The stros do not need a "yes" man as a GM.

It's more complicated than that, for Mclane and for Purpura.

[JimR]

I am tired of hearing this excuse.  If Purp does not have the sack to stand up to Drayton and explain what he needs to imporve the team, then he needs to go.  The stros do not need a "yes" man as a GM.

are you crazy? Drayton is his boss. i guess he could resign, but he cannot tell him what to do.

[pravata]

Yes, but Roberto Clemente and Mike Schmidt aren't walking through that door.

To be the best team in the Central?  Clemente, by himself, right now, might be enough to put them at the top.

[Jacksonian]

Yes, but Roberto Clemente and Mike Schmidt aren't walking through that door.

Nice try.  The NL Central is terrible.  Get someone who can get on-base at the top of the order.  That was supposed to be Burke as Purp set up the team.  They haven't replaced that.  And 1 more RBI guy to do what Ensberg was supposed to do.

[MusicMan]

To be the best team in the Central?  Clemente, by himself, right now, might be enough to put them at the top.

OK, fair enough... but "best team in the central" won't get you more than another flag and a 3-and-out.

[mihoba]

OK, fair enough... but "best team in the central" won't get you more than another flag and a 3-and-out.

Just like the Jakes last year, right.

[Astroholic]

are you crazy? Drayton is his boss. i guess he could resign, but he cannot tell him what to do.

I guess I am.  I just miss Gerry.  Probably the reason he is gone is that he clashed with Drayton on several player issues.  Drayton is not a baseball person and should listen to those that are.  I am not sure Purp is strong enough to speak his mind.

[MusicMan]

Just like the Jakes last year, right.

The Jakes were a better team than this that happened to fall apart the last couple of weeks.

[Jacksonian]

OK, fair enough... but "best team in the central" won't get you more than another flag and a 3-and-out.

The past 2 NL reps in the WS should tell you not to make statements like this.

[pravata]

OK, fair enough... but "best team in the central" won't get you more than another flag and a 3-and-out.

NL sent the best team in the Central to the WS 3 seasons in a row.  If this is their off year, there's no shame.

[mihoba]

The Jakes were a better team than this that happened to fall apart the last couple of weeks.

This team is not that bad. Just playing like crap. Sucking for 1/3 of a season is not reason for a fire sale, imo.

Now if if reaches 2/3, I might agree. I'll wait and see.

[MusicMan]

My problem is that other than Berkman, there's no one they can reasonably expect to make a large improvement.

[Astroholic]

My problem is that other than Berkman, there's no one they can reasonably expect to make a large improvement.

I think Scott is due for an improvement, Adam is due to improve.  With a normal Berkman, this might be enough.  There may still be hope for Iceberg even.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

are you crazy? Drayton is his boss. i guess he could resign, but he cannot tell him what to do.

Jim, that's just logic telling you this is crazy?  Where's your reactionary (or over-reactionary) spirit?!

Only moves I'd like to see would tighten up the defense.  If the offense is struggling, you can't have a team defense with holes at 2B, RF, LF, and 3B (depending on who's starting).  How that happens, I don't have a clue.  Sadly, I think Berkman is the best all around RF right now, so that move makes sense.  I saw Loretta started at 1B last night.  I assume that was done to keep Lamb available as a PH and to avoid burying Ensberg.  My only problem there is Ensberg just might deserve to be buried at this point.  I respect Garner for wanting to be professional, but Ensberg brings nothing the team needs right now. 

I'd like to see a lineup of:

Lamb - 1B
Biggion - 2B
Everett/Bruntlett - SS (see if Bruntlett can't carry some of the top of the order responsibilities)
Loretta - 3B
Lee - LF
Pence - CF
Berkman - RF
Ausmus - Catcher

If they release Lane and Ensberg, they have 2 spots to fill.  One goes to Bruntlett.  The other should probably go to a defensive replacement in the OF.  At some point, you have to concede a strong bench for a strong starting lineup.  I realize this has potential limitations on strategy etc... but I don't see how the Astros can maintain a strong bench and put their best potential lineup out on the field.  I hope a greater baseball mind than mine can answer that (and no, that's not saying much).  I just don't see a good answer.

[Astroholic]

Jim, that's just logic telling you this is crazy?  Where's your reactionary (or over-reactionary) spirit?!

What the hell is that suppose to mean?  I don't claim, and never will, to think like anyone else on this board.

[pravata]

Jim, that's just logic telling you this is crazy?  Where's your reactionary (or over-reactionary) spirit?!

Only moves I'd like to see would tighten up the defense.  If the offense is struggling, you can't have a team defense with holes at 2B, RF, LF, and 3B (depending on who's starting).  How that happens, I don't have a clue.  Sadly, I think Berkman is the best all around RF right now, so that move makes sense.  I saw Loretta started at 1B last night.  I assume that was done to keep Lamb available as a PH and to avoid burying Ensberg.  My only problem there is Ensberg just might deserve to be buried at this point.  I respect Garner for wanting to be professional, but Ensberg brings nothing the team needs right now. 

I'd like to see a lineup of:

Lamb - 1B
Biggion - 2B
Everett/Bruntlett - SS (see if Bruntlett can't carry some of the top of the order responsibilities)
Loretta - 3B
Lee - LF
Pence - CF
Berkman - RF
Ausmus - Catcher

If they release Lane and Ensberg, they have 2 spots to fill.  One goes to Bruntlett.  The other should probably go to a defensive replacement in the OF.  At some point, you have to concede a strong bench for a strong starting lineup.  I realize this has potential limitations on strategy etc... but I don't see how the Astros can maintain a strong bench and put their best potential lineup out on the field.  I hope a greater baseball mind than mine can answer that (and no, that's not saying much).  I just don't see a good answer.

As for defense, Our Boy in Center does not give me much confidence.  He's good at leaping at flies on the warning track, but I've seen him clank a couple of flies when he was on the run.  Also, his arm is a real issue.  The Diamondbacks ran wild, run scored from 2nd on a routine single in that last game.  The Reds definitely picked up on that.  Last night Griffey advanced from 1st on a medium pop up.  That's an issue.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

What the hell is that suppose to mean?  I don't claim, and never will, to think like anyone else on this board.

Lighten up, it was a joke.  And before you say it wasn't funny, I'm not claiming it was funny to anyone other than me. 

[Astroholic]

Lighten up, it was a joke.  And before you say it wasn't funny, I'm not claiming it was funny to anyone other than me. 

I actually am not tight over it.  No worries.  I really was not sure what you were trying to say.  Kumbya

[mihoba]

  Last night Griffey advanced from 1st on a medium pop up.  That's an issue.

That was not a medium pop up. It was a few feet short of the track in right center. I'd still rather have him than Burke out there.

That was the hardest I've seen Junnah run this year.

[jbm]

As for defense, Our Boy in Center does not give me much confidence.  He's good at leaping at flies on the warning track, but I've seen him clank a couple of flies when he was on the run.  Also, his arm is a real issue.  The Diamondbacks ran wild, run scored from 2nd on a routine single in that last game.  The Reds definitely picked up on that.  Last night Griffey advanced from 1st on a medium pop up.  That's an issue.

After watching him, I not going to disagree that his arm is an issue, but won't it also be an issue in right?  Seems like he has to play center or right.  

With Lee in left for years to come, and Pence in either right or center, having a good defensive outfield might be tough to achieve.

[Noe]

As for defense, Our Boy in Center does not give me much confidence.  He's good at leaping at flies on the warning track, but I've seen him clank a couple of flies when he was on the run.  Also, his arm is a real issue.  The Diamondbacks ran wild, run scored from 2nd on a routine single in that last game.  The Reds definitely picked up on that.  Last night Griffey advanced from 1st on a medium pop up.  That's an issue.

He took a very funny route to a deep fly ball in Arizona that reminded me of his penchant for doing the same from time to time in Round Rock.  He is known for taking some bad reads at times on a ball over his head.  He winds up taking leaps and dives and strange looking grabs at the ball where most centerfielders would probably just catch the ball standing straight up and leisurely taking the ball into the glove.  The ball in Arizona turned into a triple if I remember correctly and lead to a floodgate of runs for the snakes soon there after.  Not that I blame the rookie for the debacle in 'Zona, far, far, far from it.  His defense can contribute to a losing streak as much as his offense can contribute to a winning streak.  Not that his defense is bad, it's just strange at times.  He's really not a legitimate centerfielder, he's learning how to play the position whilest in the majors.  He is very talented and full of energy to take on this task.

But on defense, he's not an answer yet at CF.  I'd be looking to trade for a CF if one were available for the a decent price.  I'd move Pence to RF.  Leave Berkman at first and put Lamb back on the bench to solidify that group again.  As for other moves: I agree with the premise of some two degree moves.  I heard this used once in a management class and it makes a ton of sense in most endeavors where management is needed.  When your car is swerving out of control, you never do radical turns on the steering wheel... but small two degree turns on the wheel will help you re-gain control.

I like the idea of switching out some minor players in some of the roles on this team.  I'd like to see Brooks Conrad take a bench/utility job with this team some time soon.  Maybe Munson as well.  Maybe one reliever job too... give it to Estrada or bring up Guiterrez to take said job.  Those small moves can bring back some high dividends because it makes the bench stronger and the bullpen.  I believe in those types of moves and also lots of lawn cutting to see if the BBGs will smile again on Lance Berkman too.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

He took a very funny route to a deep fly ball in Arizona that reminded me of his penchant for doing the same from time to time in Round Rock.  He is known for taking some bad reads at times on a ball over his head.  He winds up taking leaps and dives and strange looking grabs at the ball where most centerfielders would probably just catch the ball standing straight up and leisurely taking the ball into the glove.  The ball in Arizona turned into a triple if I remember correctly and lead to a floodgate of runs for the snakes soon there after.  Not that I blame the rookie for the debacle in 'Zona, far, far, far from it.  His defense can contribute to a losing streak as much as his offense can contribute to a winning streak.  Not that his defense is bad, it's just strange at times.  He's really not a legitimate centerfielder, he's learning how to play the position whilest in the majors.  He is very talented and full of energy to take on this task.

But on defense, he's not an answer yet at CF.  I'd be looking to trade for a CF if one were available for the a decent price.  I'd move Pence to RF.  Leave Berkman at first and put Lamb back on the bench to solidify that group again.  As for other moves: I agree with the premise of some two degree moves.  I heard this used once in a management class and it makes a ton of sense in most endeavors where management is needed.  When your car is swerving out of control, you never do radical turns on the steering wheel... but small two degree turns on the wheel will help you re-gain control.

I like the idea of switching out some minor players in some of the roles on this team.  I'd like to see Brooks Conrad take a bench/utility job with this team some time soon.  Maybe Munson as well.  Maybe one reliever job too... give it to Estrada or bring up Guiterrez to take said job.  Those small moves can bring back some high dividends because it makes the bench stronger and the bullpen.  I believe in those types of moves and also lots of lawn cutting to see if the BBGs will smile again on Lance Berkman too.

As soon as this mold situation clears up in Austin, I'll contribute some lawn cutting/yard work as well.  I planted some trees, shrubs and flowers anyway so any added motivation to get off my ass and make sure they take root and grow is gravy. 

[austro]

As soon as this mold situation clears up in Austin, I'll contribute some lawn cutting/yard work as well.  I planted some trees, shrubs and flowers anyway so any added motivation to get off my ass and make sure they take root and grow is gravy. 

I spent the entire weekend (between rain showers) working on the deck. Didn't help.

[MRaup]

I actually am not tight over it.  No worries.  I really was not sure what you were trying to say.  Kumbya

I like it. The Frank Costanza approach to message boards.

When in doubt, FREAK OUT!

[JaneDoe]

I spent the entire weekend (between rain showers) working on the deck. Didn't help.

Still got 'dillos?

[austro]

Still got 'dillos?

Let's put it this way: I do not want to meet the armadillo that defeats my defenses.

Of course, now the sparrows have started building nests in dryer vents and bathroom vents. Somehow they've learned how to get around the little flaps that theoretically close them off.

[Foghorn]

I hope we don't waste Oswalt's prime years.

[austro]

I hope we don't waste Oswalt's prime years.

This is my concern, too, but unless some of the lower-level guys develop very quickly, I'm afraid we're looking at two or three years of mediocrity.  There are quite a few holes to fill.

[Astroholic]

I hope we don't waste Oswalt's prime years.

So would you trade him.  Oswalt I am just asking, don't get in a wad.

[BudGirl]

So would you trade him.  Oswalt I am just asking, don't get in a wad.

NO

[JaneDoe]

So would you trade him.  Oswalt I am just asking, don't get in a wad.

no
NO
NO
NO

[S.P. Rodriguez]

Let's put it this way: I do not want to meet the armadillo that defeats my defenses.

Of course, now the sparrows have started building nests in dryer vents and bathroom vents. Somehow they've learned how to get around the little flaps that theoretically close them off.

I first saw that when I lived in Dallas.  Those sparrows are admirable for their determination.  Unfortunately, they can bring parasitic infestating, based on the research I did to rid my house of a barn swallow nest over my front door. 

My suggestion:  Go to Lowe's, get a roll of bird netting.  It's critical you get the correct type, as the holes are no bigger than 1/2" by 1/2".  Anything larger will do no good.  Then attach the net around any area you want to keep them out.  One warning, (eta) if they are swallows and not sparrows, that determination will last a few months, as swallows are homing birds, tending to return to the area they were born or last nested. 

I've had a net above my entry way for over a year and the friggin' birds still try to come back. 

[Noe]

So would you trade him.  Oswalt I am just asking, don't get in a wad.

For what?  Not Lasting Millege, that's for sure.  What are you proposing before I answer you.  Anyone can be traded.  Seriously.

[Astroholic]

no
NO
NO
NO

Not even for a young stud pitcher and an allstar CF, or 3B or C?  I don't think I would either unless I was blown away with the return.

[JimR]

I hope we don't waste Oswalt's prime years.

he has not been worth a shit lately either.

[JaneDoe]

For what?  Not Lasting Millege, that's for sure.  What are you proposing before I answer you.  Anyone can be traded.  Seriously.

Seriously is why I said no.  Now if Purp could trade Oswalt for Beltran, Tejada, Santana, Beckett and Peavy, well who wouldn't do that. 

[Astroholic]

Seriously is why I said no.  Now if Purp could trade Oswalt for Beltran, Tejada, Santana, Beckett and Peavy, well who wouldn't do that. 

What about for Beckett and Tejada (assuming they were on the same team).

[pravata]

So would you trade him.  Oswalt I am just asking, don't get in a wad.

Unless this is all just theoretical (as in "cut Ensberg), Oswalt, Berkman, Lee, all have no trade clauses.  Oswalt just decided last season that Houston is where he wants to play, if he hadnt he couldve become a free agent.  Berkman doesnt even like road trips out of Texas.  And Lee has a ranch.  Seriously, he turned down more money from the Giants (eta) to be close to the hunk of dirt.

[Astroholic]

Unless this is all just theoretical (as in "cut Ensberg), Oswalt, Berkman, Lee, all have no trade clauses.  Oswalt just decided last season that Houston is where he wants to play, if he hadnt he couldve become a free agent.  Berkman doesnt even like road trips out of Texas.  And Lee has a ranch.  Seriously, he turned down more money from the Giants for the hunk of dirt.

Hypothetically speaking.  I would not even ask Roy if he would conceder waiving his no trade clause.

[JimR]

What about for Beckett and Tejada (assuming they were on the same team).

how about for Ruth, Cobb Gehrig and Walter Johnson...assuming they were on the same team?

good grief.

[Astroholic]

how about for Ruth, Cobb Gehrig and Walter Johnson...assuming they were on the same team?

good grief.

Got ya.  I am done.

[MusicMan]

how about for Ruth, Cobb Gehrig and Walter Johnson...assuming they were on the same team?

good grief.

Dead players might not be helpful.  However, they would swing more often then Ensberg.

[Foghorn]

Dead players might not be helpful.  However, they would swing more often then Ensberg.

We've got Oswalt, Berkman and Lee.  Tough to find any teams with a better combo of starter and 2 hitters in the NL. 

Zambrano-Lee-Soriano? 
Carpenter-Poo Holes--?
Peavy-Gonzales-Giles?
Sheets-Fielder-Hardy?
Smoltz-Andruw-Chipper?

Mix in a good back-end of the bully and there's plenty to build around.  Its just that everything else is putrid.  We gotta build around the core and own the NL Central the next couple years.

[Limey]

Dead players might not be helpful.  However, they would swing more often then Ensberg.

...and make outs on the bases less often.

[Astroholic]

Mix in a good back-end

Nothing wrong with a good back end.

[MusicMan]

Nothing wrong with a good back end.

Thank you, Sir Mix-A-Lot.

[Astroholic]

Thank you, Sir Mix-A-Lot.

Too much of a good thing is...well a good thing.

[Lurch]

As I see it, the primary problem (there are many, but effort is best spent focused on the few with most impact) is the individual players failing to meet their respective reasonable expectations on offense.  Lance obviously carries a huge chunk of the blame here.  Bidge 30 points off his last four year average.  Morgan 35 points.  Luke's been a no show.  Lane has been off 50 points for two years now.  Even those that should not be counted on for big numbers aren't keeping pace with their normal output.  Ausmus 50 points off in May.  Adam is 40 points off his career average.  Love the glove, and he's clearly not the problem, but he's not pulling his own at the plate either.  Pretty much an entire team of offensive underachievers.

My impression is that if these guys were just playing to their typical offensive output (which I must assume they are all fully capable of doing), we're not having any of these conversations, are leading the Central, and are generally comfortable with this team as configured (sans Lane, granted). 

Astrox mentioned it earlier, though perhaps in jest... Sean Berry must be held accountable.  These guys aren't finding their rhythms, recognizing hitches in their swings, properly studying for the pitchers their facing, working on the wrong swing thoughts, or somehow else getting mentally and physically prepared to be successful at the plate.  Sean has to be the guy making this happen when/if the players themselves aren’t.

[Lefty]

Sean Berry must be held accountable.

Fuckin' A yes he does.   Just like Harry Spillman, and Gary Gaetti.

At what point do you point all them fingers at the players?

[MRaup]

Fuckin' A yes he does.   Just like Harry Spillman, and Gary Gaetti.

At what point do you point all them fingers at the players?

Right after you axe Sean Berry and anyone else who's fault it might be!

[JimR]

As I see it, the primary problem (there are many, but effort is best spent focused on the few with most impact) is the individual players failing to meet their respective reasonable expectations on offense.  Lance obviously carries a huge chunk of the blame here.  Bidge 30 points off his last four year average.  Morgan 35 points.  Luke's been a no show.  Lane has been off 50 points for two years now.  Even those that should not be counted on for big numbers aren't keeping pace with their normal output.  Ausmus 50 points off in May.  Adam is 40 points off his career average.  Love the glove, and he's clearly not the problem, but he's not pulling his own at the plate either.  Pretty much an entire team of offensive underachievers.

My impression is that if these guys were just playing to their typical offensive output (which I must assume they are all fully capable of doing), we're not having any of these conversations, are leading the Central, and are generally comfortable with this team as configured (sans Lane, granted). 

Astrox mentioned it earlier, though perhaps in jest... Sean Berry must be held accountable.  These guys aren't finding their rhythms, recognizing hitches in their swings, properly studying for the pitchers their facing, working on the wrong swing thoughts, or somehow else getting mentally and physically prepared to be successful at the plate.  Sean has to be the guy making this happen when/if the players themselves aren’t.

ok, even with Mr. Happy's idiotic ranting posts, this may be the stupidest of them all.

just how much coaching do you think the average PROFESSIONAL hitter accepts. not just MLB--all professional hitters?

some of you people think this is HS. hitting coaches are lucky if MLB players know their names.

[Mr. Happy]

ok, even with Mr. Happy's idiotic ranting posts, this may be the stupidest of them all.

just how much coaching do you think the average PROFESSIONAL hitter accepts. not just MLB--all professional hitters?

some of you people think this is HS. hitting coaches are lucky if MLB players know their names.

From you Jim, I consider that a compliment.

[Lurch]

ok, even with Mr. Happy's idiotic ranting posts, this may be the stupidest of them all.

just how much coaching do you think the average PROFESSIONAL hitter accepts. not just MLB--all professional hitters?

some of you people think this is HS. hitting coaches are lucky if MLB players know their names.

So, what, they're along for the ride?  Tiger Woods, Tiger FUCKING WOODS, pays a fortune to get constant attention from his swing coach.  He knows he needs professional attention to his swing at all time or he will fall into poor habits or lose focus on keys to successful swings. Is hitting a baseball consistantly such an easy task that an MLBer has it down by their early 20s and no longer need any feedback?

You would know, so I can't debate the accuracy of your statement.  I'm disappointed with the truth.

[JackAstro]

So, what, they're along for the ride?  Tiger Woods, Tiger FUCKING WOODS, pays a fortune to get constant attention from his swing coach.  He knows he needs professional attention to his swing at all time or he will fall into poor habits or lose focus on keys to successful swings. Is hitting a baseball consistantly such an easy task that an MLBer has it down by their early 20s and no longer need any feedback?

You would know, so I can't debate the accuracy of your statement.  I'm disappointed with the truth.

Not a great parallel. For starters, golfers seek out and employ swing coaches of their own choosing, they do not have someone assigned to them by their employer. Second, Tiger himself once fired Harmon and went a while without a swing coach because he wanted to remake his swing on his own, without anyone's input.

[MusicMan]

Shit, golf and baseball are DIFFERENT???

And I was so happy about this team being subpar.

[Lurch]

Both points underscore the value to me of a coach, even amongst the best in their profession.  Why else do they seek them out, pay for them out of their own pocket and change them when not happy with their results?  Note, of course, Tiger went back to a coach.  I'm fortunate enough to have access to another PGA swing coach and the stories I hear of their interaction with their players suggest a very tight relationship, including with Senior Tour players.  They provide feedback and guidance on everything from practice drills, swing thoughts and even mental exercises between rounds in a tournament!  I don't get why a baseball player wouldn't find similar benefits.

Who is supposed to tell Morgan to take the bat off his shoulder when he obviously isn't registering it?  Is that not Sean's job to hammer it home?  Who's helping Pence adjust as other teams write a book on him? Wasn't it Bidge that credited a hitting coach for spotting a difference in his hand position a few years ago that made a significant improvement in his approach?  Didn't the steM hitting coach immediately point out a problem to HIdalgo when he arrived that he credited for his (admittedly short) dramatic improvement at the plate?

Biggio:

Biggio struggled in his first three at-bats, so before his fourth plate appearance, he asked hitting coach Sean Berry to check videotape to see if he could find what Biggio may be doing wrong. Berry told Biggio that when his hands don't get going on time, his stance widens. Biggio took advantage of the advice and singled to left for his first hit of the year.

"You lean on him," Biggio said. "That's what you do. That's what you do as a player or a coach. You say something doesn't feel right and go take a peek, and he did. It made a little bit of a difference for me.

"The thing about hitting is it's so much precision, and if he can see something, it helps you out a little bit."

[MusicMan]

Notice that Biggio sought out the advice.

[Jose Cruz III]

Maybe we should go get us some Japanese dudes.

[JimR]

Both points underscore the value to me of a coach, even amongst the best in their profession.  Why else do they seek them out, pay for them out of their own pocket and change them when not happy with their results?  Note, of course, Tiger went back to a coach.  I'm fortunate enough to have access to another PGA swing coach and the stories I hear of their interaction with their players suggest a very tight relationship, including with Senior Tour players.  They provide feedback and guidance on everything from practice drills, swing thoughts and even mental exercises between rounds in a tournament!  I don't get why a baseball player wouldn't find similar benefits.

Who is supposed to tell Morgan to take the bat off his shoulder when he obviously isn't registering it?  Is that not Sean's job to hammer it home?  Who's helping Pence adjust as other teams write a book on him? Wasn't it Bidge that credited a hitting coach for spotting a difference in his hand position a few years ago that made a significant improvement in his approach?  Didn't the steM hitting coach immediately point out a problem to HIdalgo when he arrived that he credited for his (admittedly short) dramatic improvement at the plate?

Biggio:

man, you are clueless. totally. the hitting coaches know their stuff, of course. the hitters, however, think they know it all. only the desperate ones actually ask for help. usually they just keep doing what got them to MLB and believe that the slump will end.

Hidalgo said nothing. Baylor patted himself on the back. it was BS as circumstances proved.

[Lefty]

Maybe we should go get us some Japanese dudes.

They do love their golf over there.

[Lurch]

man, you are clueless. totally. the hitting coaches know their stuff, of course. the hitters, however, think they know it all. only the desperate ones actually ask for help. usually they just keep doing what got them to MLB and believe that the slump will end.

Hidalgo said nothing. Baylor patted himself on the back. it was BS as circumstances proved.

So Bidge was "desperate" 3 at bats into the first game of the season.  Excellent.

What's your understanding of the purpose (or not) of a hitting coach in MLB?  Valuable or not?  Yes, but the hitters are at fault for not using him?  No, he isn’t expected to be relevant so he can’t be at fault for not making an impact?  Is it entirely improbable that a coach could provide different insight to a player in a slump that helps him escape it?  Could not an effective hitting coach be providing such beneficial information to his team whereas an ineffective one could be missing the same opportunities to the point that results at the plate are different?

[Mr. Happy]

So Bidge was "desperate" 3 at bats into the first game of the season.  Excellent.

What's your understanding of the purpose (or not) of a hitting coach in MLB?  Valuable or not?  Yes, but the hitters are at fault for not using him?  No, he isn’t expected to be relevant so he can’t be at fault for not making an impact?  Is it entirely improbable that a coach could provide different insight to a player in a slump that helps him escape it?  Could not an effective hitting coach be providing such beneficial information to his team whereas an ineffective one could be missing the same opportunities to the point that results at the plate are different?

The hitting coach is a fairly recent phenomenon-coaches used to be the manager's drinking pals. Charlie Lau and Harry Walker come to mind as people who really began to study hitting. The hitting coach's role has changed so much with the advent of the amount of film available on both pitchers and hitters, which the hitters can access without having to go to the hitting coach.

I'm beginning to think that the MLB hitting coach has outlived its usefulness. Pitching coaches are different though, because each outing may have the pitcher doing something slightly different that is, for example, flattening out a pitch, or developing a mechanical flaw. Offseason work with a pitching coach also can be invaluable.

Minor league hitting coaches are still valuable though, due in large measure to the adjustment from the aluminum bat to the wooden bat as well as just learning how to hit as opposed to just swinging with good hand-eye coordination.

[JimR]

So Bidge was "desperate" 3 at bats into the first game of the season.  Excellent.

What's your understanding of the purpose (or not) of a hitting coach in MLB?  Valuable or not?  Yes, but the hitters are at fault for not using him?  No, he isn’t expected to be relevant so he can’t be at fault for not making an impact?  Is it entirely improbable that a coach could provide different insight to a player in a slump that helps him escape it?  Could not an effective hitting coach be providing such beneficial information to his team whereas an ineffective one could be missing the same opportunities to the point that results at the plate are different?

ok, you've moved this into a debate. good luck in your quest for understanding. it is not HS, and professional hitters are not seeking insight and knowledge at every opportunity. they know it all, as do you.

[ybbodeus]

Shit, golf and baseball are DIFFERENT???

And I was so happy about this team being subpar.

I casually mentioned to Enos Cabell after watching another in a series of his perfect 300 yard drives with a 1 iron, "JEZUS, E, how come you didn't hit more home runs?"

"(Expletive deleted) you, (expletive deleted), I hit some home runs.  Goff-ball just sittin' there; baseball start out at ya' head before winding up in the dirt out of your reach, and you just standin' there lookin' stupid cuz' you just swung at it to protect yourself!"

(all laugh, including Cabell & me; one man spills cocktail, he's laughing so hard, which creates MORE expletives to be deleted and laughter). 

"Yeah, you STILL swing at it, unless it's comin' from somebody like Gibson or Jenkins or Nolan, 'cuz then it's gonna run up ON ya', hit ya in the (expletive deleted) head, if you don't get out of the way.  You Try to hit THAT goff-ball, (expletive deleted)." 

Laughter delays 2nd golfer from teeing up his drive for six minutes; group behind us allowed to play through, until they find out why we're laughing.  Bevacqua and Cabell make command decision and decide to play an eight-some for the last three holes, in the process creating five new games.  We hired a consultant on the spot to keep up with all the games, presses and dollars.

Nicest, funniest most down to earth professional athlete I've ever met.