Robinson Cano

[Houston]

Did anyone hear Joe Morgan (I know... I know...) say during Sunday's Yankees-Mets game that Robinson Cano came up with the Astros?

The only Cano I remember is Jose Cano.

[dirty steve]

signed by NYY as free agent January 2001.

given name robinson Jose Cano.
link:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/canoro01.shtml

[homer]

His dad, Jose, played for the Astros.

http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Cano/Cano_bio.html

[MusicMan]

You voluntarily watched a Yankees - Stem game announced by Joe Morgan.

Please explain your actions.

[loganck]

You voluntarily watched a Yankees - Stem game announced by Joe Morgan.

Please explain your actions.

It beat anything else on.
Of course, my TV was muted.

[Astroholic]

It beat anything else on.
Of course, my TV was muted.

Now that is what I call desperate. 

[Bench]

Now that is what I call desperate. 

Hell, waiting for the game on Monday night I flipped between the NBA playoffs and the season finale of 24, and I've never watched either before.

[MusicMan]

Hell, waiting for the game on Monday night I flipped between the NBA playoffs and the season finale of 24, and I've never watched either before.

Neither was worth watching.

I'd be completely on board with calling day 6 of 24 a bad dream that Jack suffered during his captivity.

[Astroholic]

Neither was worth watching.

I'd be completely on board with calling day 6 of 24 a bad dream that Jack suffered during his captivity.

Yep, I watched and was disappointed.  Hoping the writers get there crap together.

[JackAstro]

Neither was worth watching.

I'd be completely on board with calling day 6 of 24 a bad dream that Jack suffered during his captivity.

I know enjoyment of 24 requires a fairly generous suspension of disbelief, but this season felt like the writers were actively testing the boundaries of how preposterous they could be without losing significant viewership. Yet I still watched. This bodes very, very poorly for day 7.

[MusicMan]

I know enjoyment of 24 requires a fairly generous suspension of disbelief, but this season felt like the writers were actively testing the boundaries of how preposterous they could be without losing significant viewership. Yet I still watched. This bodes very, very poorly for day 7.

If you're a glass half-full kind of guy... you could have said the same thing after day 4.  And day 5 rocked.

[Bench]

Well, I'm glad it wasn't just me. Because the assorted thirty-odd minutes I saw were quite possibly some of the worst minutes of television I've ever encountered. I couldn't imagine why anyone ever watched the show in the first place, much less why it is still on years later.

[MusicMan]

24 isn't in that Sopranos category of "even when it's bad, it's still better than most stuff".  When it's good, it can pin you to your chair and keep you there, breathless.

When it's bad, it's very, very bad.

[T. J.]

If you're a glass half-full kind of guy... you could have said the same thing after day 4.  And day 5 rocked.

What's "FUDQ"?

And they lost me after the "Milo gets drilled" episode this year.  That "hour" would've taken about 2 days.

[MusicMan]

FUDQ = Fuck You Drama Queen

[T. J.]

What's "FUDQ"?

And they lost me after the "Milo gets drilled" episode this year.  That "hour" would've taken about 2 days.

Hold it, don't answer that.  I got it.

Edit:  Dammit, too late.

[dirty steve]

I know enjoyment of 24 requires a fairly generous suspension of disbelief, but this season felt like the writers were actively testing the boundaries of how preposterous they could be without losing significant viewership. Yet I still watched. This bodes very, very poorly for day 7.

what...the pres palmer v.2 attempted assassination, fall into coma, pulled out of coma a couple hours later to quell VP Daniels, only to launch a (fake) nuclear strike of his own, then fall back into another life threatening condition on national TV wasn't believable?

[JackAstro]

If you're a glass half-full kind of guy... you could have said the same thing after day 4.  And day 5 rocked.

Was day 4 the season that introduced Audrey Raines and Charles Logan? If so, you're right - that was totally fucking ridiculous. What the hell ever happened to the president who was injured in the plane crash but didn't die? And when will Noe start splitting threads between Cano, lineups, emo and 24?

[dirty steve]

i think logan was introduced in season 4 when the terrorists shot down Air Force 1 and took over--not sure about raines, or the president that was in Air Force 1.  that was my first season to watch it.

[MusicMan]

Yes.  Season 4 started with Audrey and DaD kidnapped, which was a cover to run an internet tool to meltdown nuclear reactors, which was adiversion to steal a stealth jet, which was used to shoot down Air Force One, in order to gain access to the nuclear "football"...

I mean, Rube Goldberg would have told those writers to calm down.

[dirty steve]

Yes.  Season 4 started with Audrey and DaD kidnapped, which was a cover to run an internet tool to meltdown nuclear reactors, which was adiversion to steal a stealth jet, which was used to shoot down Air Force One, in order to gain access to the nuclear "football"...

I mean, Rube Goldberg would have told those writers to calm down.

isnt that where audrey's brother told sec. of defense heller that he was gay, and that's the reason that the code or whatever for the football came into terrorists hands?

[MusicMan]

Wow, I forgot all about the "Audrey's brother's terrible secret is that he's gay and gave away Heller's itinerary during a threesome" part of that debacle.

[HudsonHawk]

I mean, Rube Goldberg would have told those writers to calm down.

You sure it's the writers' fault?  Sounds to me like 24 may have the same problem as Lost...greedy producers who won't wrap it up and say "that was a damn fine show, we're proud of that" and move on.  Lost has so much potential...great story, really interesting characters, fine actors, terrific writing, yet somehow the producers have managed to completely fuck it up. 

[JackAstro]

You sure it's the writers' fault?  Sounds to me like 24 may have the same problem as Lost...greedy producers who won't wrap it up and say "that was a damn fine show, we're proud of that" and move on.  Lost has so much potential...great story, really interesting characters, fine actors, terrific writing, yet somehow the producers have managed to completely fuck it up. 

I still enjoy the hell out of Lost personally, so I'm probably the wrong one to weigh in on this. That said, between the writing and acting alone, 24 and Lost are on totally different levels. 24 can be absolutely riveting, but the writing and acting frequently teeter somewhere between enjoyably ridiculous and completely cringeworthy.

[Bench]

You sure it's the writers' fault?  Sounds to me like 24 may have the same problem as Lost...greedy producers who won't wrap it up and say "that was a damn fine show, we're proud of that" and move on.  Lost has so much potential...great story, really interesting characters, fine actors, terrific writing, yet somehow the producers have managed to completely fuck it up. 

That's why they announced an actual ending date. I'll reserve judgment on this season until after tonight, but so far I've liked the last several episodes of Lost quite a bit. It actually seems to be headed in a direction, and knowing exactly how many episodes are left before the whole thing wraps up is comforting.

24 sounds ridiculous not because of the plot, but it seems like a lot of Kiefer Sutherland running around screaming and crying the whole time while that "plot" continues to advance.

[HudsonHawk]

That's why they announced an actual ending date. I'll reserve judgment on this season until after tonight, but so far I've liked the last several episodes of Lost quite a bit.

Have they announced an end date?  All I've heard is that they plan for "at least 2 more seasons".  No way I can hold interest that long. 

The last few episodes have been ok.  What bugged me was the dropping of all the intersting stuff to focus on the who's sleeping with who soap opera bullshit.  It's like Grey's Anatomy.  It should be titled Grey's Fuckfest.  The fact that they're all doctors is completely irrelevant to the show. 

[dirty steve]

never really caught onto Lost even though i could DVR it.  is it even worth catching onto now?  are there plotlines that one would have no way of getting if you started watching it now?

[JackAstro]

Have they announced an end date?  All I've heard is that they plan for "at least 2 more seasons".  No way I can hold interest that long. 

The last few episodes have been ok.  What bugged me was the dropping of all the intersting stuff to focus on the who's sleeping with who soap opera bullshit.  It's like Grey's Anatomy.  It should be titled Grey's Fuckfest.  The fact that they're all doctors is completely irrelevant to the show. 

Yes, there are 48 more episodes remaining after tonight. Unfortunately, they'll be split into three 16 episode seasons, instead of two regular seasons. Apparently, the producers felt they had 2 more seasons of story to tell, but ABC wanted 3 more years on the schedule. So this was the rather stupid compromise.

I agree on the story arc in the first half of this season - it was really trying. The second half has been getting better and better, and the last month has been great again. Instead of watching the finale, I'll be soaking up the 'Stros and writing a recap, so everyone may well be getting the MusicMan 40-word special.

[HudsonHawk]

never really caught onto Lost even though i could DVR it.  is it even worth catching onto now?  are there plotlines that one would have no way of getting if you started watching it now?

No way you could start watching now and understand anything.  You'd be totally clueless.

[MusicMan]

Instead of watching the finale, I'll be soaking up the 'Stros and writing a recap, so everyone may well be getting the MusicMan 40-word special.

You don't want the illness and network failures that accompany that.

[JackAstro]

never really caught onto Lost even though i could DVR it.  is it even worth catching onto now?  are there plotlines that one would have no way of getting if you started watching it now?

Get the DVDs, or there's no chance in hell.

[MusicMan]

Get the DVDs, or there's no chance in hell.

For the record - TV shows on DVD are a wonderful, wonderful creation.

[JackAstro]

You don't want the illness and network failures that accompany that.

Don't you tell me how to live.

[HudsonHawk]

Get the DVDs, or there's no chance in hell.

That's how I got into it.  My wife was watching a show at the beginning of Season 2 and I said "hey this looks like an interesting show".  She said "forget it, go get the DVDs and catch up".  I did.  The cool thing was, I got to watch the entire Season 1 straight through, no commercials, in one rainy day.  Season 1 was fantastic.  Season 2 dragged.  The first half of Season 3 was nothing but puss.  The last few episodes have gotten better though. 

[homer]

That's how I got into it.  My wife was watching a show at the beginning of Season 2 and I said "hey this looks like an interesting show".  She said "forget it, go get the DVDs and catch up".  I did.  The cool thing was, I got to watch the entire Season 1 straight through, no commercials, in one rainy day.  Season 1 was fantastic.  Season 2 dragged.  The first half of Season 3 was nothing but puss.  The last few episodes have gotten better though. 

The stolen diamonds/spider bite/buried alive show was pretty fucking out of place this season. I wonder if that is going to reoccur in some way.

[JaneDoe]

That's how I got into it.  My wife was watching a show at the beginning of Season 2 and I said "hey this looks like an interesting show".  She said "forget it, go get the DVDs and catch up".  I did.  The cool thing was, I got to watch the entire Season 1 straight through, no commercials, in one rainy day.  Season 1 was fantastic.  Season 2 dragged.  The first half of Season 3 was nothing but puss.  The last few episodes have gotten better though. 

That's sorta how we do 24.  Since we have Little League games or practice every night, we just buy the season when it comes out and watch it straight through, the entire family.  24 straight hours of TV.  Pretty crazy.

[Limey]

The stolen diamonds/spider bite/buried alive show was pretty fucking out of place this season. I wonder if that is going to reoccur in some way.

They made a show about my Friday night?

[Astroholic]

They made a show about my Friday night?

Man that was a great Lost last night.  Now I am even more Lost than I was.  3 more years of this stuff.  Uggh.

[HudsonHawk]

Man that was a great Lost last night.  Now I am even more Lost than I was.  3 more years of this stuff.  Uggh.

Well, they set a new tone anyway.  My wife said "wow, more people got whacked in this show than in the Sopranos".  And till now, there've been flashbacks on each of the characters.  Last night there was a flashforward.  I suspect we'll be seeing those from now on.  I don't know if killing off Charlie was a good move, he was one of the main characters since Day 1.  But I assume this leaves room to play up the Jack/Claire long lost brother/sister storyline rather than the Charlie/Claire romance.

[Astroholic]

Well, they set a new tone anyway.  My wife said "wow, more people got whacked in this show than in the Sopranos".  And till now, there've been flashbacks on each of the characters.  Last night there was a flashforward.  I suspect we'll be seeing those from now on.  I don't know if killing off Charlie was a good move, he was one of the main characters since Day 1.  But I assume this leaves room to play up the Jack/Claire long lost brother/sister storyline rather than the Charlie/Claire romance.

Yep, assuming that Charlie is really dead.  I am starting to think this is some sort of 'GroundHawg Day' type of show where the characters keep going back and doing different things to alter the future.

[Limey]

Yep, assuming that Charlie is really dead.  I am starting to think this is some sort of 'GroundHawg Day' type of show where the characters keep going back and doing different things to alter the future.

...unlike the Astros, who keep doing the same things over and over expecting a different result.

[HudsonHawk]

Yep, assuming that Charlie is really dead.  I am starting to think this is some sort of 'GroundHawg Day' type of show where the characters keep going back and doing different things to alter the future.

Well, Charlies is dead.  I don't see how they get around that.  I suppose they could go back in time, but that would be pretty goofy.  Wife and I discussed who's wake Jack attended in the future...I say it was Sawyer's, she says Locke's.

[MusicMan]

Well, Charlies is dead.  I don't see how they get around that.  I suppose they could go back in time, but that would be pretty goofy.  Wife and I discussed who's wake Jack attended in the future...I say it was Sawyer's, she says Locke's.

I say it was Ben's.

[HudsonHawk]

I say it was Ben's.

That thought entered my mind too.  But somehow I think Ben dies on the island.

[Astroholic]

I say it was Ben's.

I say its Jullian's.  I think Jack wants to go back, so he can save her.  Another theory :The two Jack saved in the car wreck where Claire (half sister) and her baby.  This is kinda like Desmond saving Charlie several times.  Actually there are lots of lives saved.  One thing that is bothering me, how does the one eyed dude survive a spear to the chest?

[loganck]

I say its Jullian's.  I think Jack wants to go back, so he can save her.  Another theory :The two Jack saved in the car wreck where Claire (half sister) and her baby.  This is kinda like Desmond saving Charlie several times.  Actually there are lots of lives saved.  One thing that is bothering me, how does the one eyed dude survive a spear to the chest?

that guy survives a lot.  i'll bet the gernade didn't kill him either.  the island is helping him.  same as Locke.

[Astroholic]

that guy survives a lot.  i'll bet the gernade didn't kill him either.  the island is helping him.  same as Locke.

He also survived the house blowing up that he was living in.

[Bench]

What a bloodbath.

My first thought was that it was Locke's wake, but it being Ben's makes a lot of sense.

[tophfar]

Well, Charlies is dead.  I don't see how they get around that.  I suppose they could go back in time, but that would be pretty goofy.  Wife and I discussed who's wake Jack attended in the future...I say it was Sawyer's, she says Locke's.

im with your wife on this one. the way kate said she had to "get back to him" at the end, implied sawyer, i thought.

[Curly]

Well, Charlies is dead. 

Charlie don't surf.

[Astroholic]

im with your wife on this one. the way kate said she had to "get back to him" at the end, implied sawyer, i thought.

She could have meant her son (sawyers kid)?

[HudsonHawk]

She could have meant her son (sawyers kid)?

Not long enough.  Obviously they haven't been off the island for very long.  Sawyer and Kate only "did it" a few weeks before they aparently get rescued. 

[Gizzmonic]

Mebbe this is a good time to split threads, as those who wander into this thread looking for info about the Yanks 2B might be upset at seeing spoilers for Lost or 24 ...

[Andyzipp]

I would not assume the indviduals they talked to on the sat phone are going to be rescuers of any sort.

Charlie is officially not under contract for next season so and everyone else was resigned a while ago.  He's dead, Jim.

[MusicMan]

He's dead, Jim.

Dammit, Jim, he's a hobbit, not a fish!

[Astroholic]

She could have meant her son (sawyers kid)?

Except they crashed on the island circa 04.  The flash forward was at least in 07 because the model cell phone jack was using was introduced in 07, thus the child could be 2ish.  So many possibilities.  And Kate drive up in a freaking Volvo.  If that does not say mommy, I don't know what does.

[Holly]

Well, I thought it was a flash-forward until Jack was hollering at the head surgeon about seeing if his dad was drunker than him. Then I thought, OK, flashback. So, what... they recovered the body from the casket off the island, sewed batwings on his dad's head and Re-Animated him, too? Not sure how his dad is alive in the "future."

Poor Charlie. Perfect way to go out, though. (kudos to Curly, btw... I'll send you the bill for the laptop cleanup) As far as I'm concerned, though, Jack and Juliet can go jump off a cliff or get decapitated or something. Let them join Ana Lucia. Kate can watch, too. And Yay for Hurley.

[HudsonHawk]

Well, I thought it was a flash-forward until Jack was hollering at the head surgeon about seeing if his dad was drunker than him. Then I thought, OK, flashback. So, what... they recovered the body from the casket off the island, sewed batwings on his dad's head and Re-Animated him, too? Not sure how his dad is alive in the "future."

He's not.  He told the chief his dad was dead.  He told the pharmacist that calling his dad's office wouldn't do any good.  He told Kate, whom he didn't meet until the crash, they have to go back to the island.  I'm not sure how you can say it was anything other than a flashforward.

Poor Charlie. Perfect way to go out, though. (kudos to Curly, btw... I'll send you the bill for the laptop cleanup) As far as I'm concerned, though, Jack and Juliet can go jump off a cliff or get decapitated or something. Let them join Ana Lucia. Kate can watch, too. And Yay for Hurley.

Of course Charlie was a dumbass.  He'd already turned off the jamming device before the window blew up.  There was no need to lock himself in the room to drown.  He could have easily stepped out and gotten the scuba gear from Desmond, or better yet, just jumped in the water and swam up to the surface.  He didn't *do* anything after it started to flood except stand there and drown like an idiot.

[Andyzipp]

Well, I thought it was a flash-forward until Jack was hollering at the head surgeon about seeing if his dad was drunker than him. Then I thought, OK, flashback. So, what... they recovered the body from the casket off the island, sewed batwings on his dad's head and Re-Animated him, too? Not sure how his dad is alive in the "future."

Oxycodone is some jacked up stuff.

[Andyzipp]

Of course Charlie was a dumbass.  He'd already turned off the jamming device before the window blew up.  There was no need to lock himself in the room to drown.  He could have easily stepped out and gotten the scuba gear from Desmond, or better yet, just jumped in the water and swam up to the surface.  He didn't *do* anything after it started to flood except stand there and drown like an idiot.

Didn't understand that myself.  The only thing we could come up with last night is that he assumed the door could only be sealed from the inside.  More likely he figured that the only way Claire and Aaron could be rescued would be for him to die, ala Desmond's vision, brother.

[MusicMan]

Every time I try to come up with a logical explanation for a scenario like that, I have to remind myself that if I were confronted with a man I thought to be dead, holding a live grenade at the porthole of my undersea research station, I might not react logically either.

[Holly]

I don't doubt it was a flashforward at all. I was just confused about him telling the chief to see if he was drunker than his dad ("get him from his office" or somesuch). Guess I don't remember him telling the chief his dad was dead, though.

About Charlie, agreed. That's exactly what I meant by perfect way to go out -- he's been a dumbass most of the show (albeit an oddly endearing one). What I don't get is why they don't just put some lead in Ben as soon as they see him? Why keep giving him chance after chance, and listening to that snake. Well, other than "that's how they were written."

Definitely looking forward to seeing how Locke's storyline plays out... and even though Walt made a cameo, I hope to God that Michael never shows his face again. He's a one-note character that's out-of-tune.

[HudsonHawk]

Didn't understand that myself.  The only thing we could come up with last night is that he assumed the door could only be sealed from the inside.  More likely he figured that the only way Claire and Aaron could be rescued would be for him to die, ala Desmond's vision, brother.

He didn't need to seal the door, the equipment was turned off.  He could have just walked out of the room put on the scuba gear and jumped into the water.  Or even just dove into the water and swam up.  There was no reason to *not* let the building flood.  And he'd been saved several times from Desmond's visions.  Desmond himself said he didn't *have* to die, only that if they followed that scenario, he *would* die.  They just could have made it a little more necessary.

[Bench]

I thought the door couldn't be sealed from the outside (there was a handle on the inside, but I don't recall seeing one on the other side. Also, the blast from the grenade did not make a hole big enough from him to swim through.

The one good thing about Charlie's character was we got to see him die a lot.

[Andyzipp]

He didn't need to seal the door, the equipment was turned off.  He could have just walked out of the room put on the scuba gear and jumped into the water.  Or even just dove into the water and swam up.  There was no reason to *not* let the building flood.  And he'd been saved several times from Desmond's visions.  Desmond himself said he didn't *have* to die, only that if they followed that scenario, he *would* die.  They just could have made it a little more necessary.

Of course, when in doubt, one could always go with Charlie was a fuckin idiot, and had been far before he hit the island.

[Andyzipp]

Definitely looking forward to seeing how Locke's storyline plays out... and even though Walt made a cameo, I hope to God that Michael never shows his face again. He's a one-note character that's out-of-tune.

Michael did the ultimate favor to us all by killing Anna Lucia.  I wish somehow he could have killed her in the airport prior to boarding.

[Holly]

Michael did the ultimate favor to us all by killing Anna Lucia.  I wish somehow he could have killed her in the airport prior to boarding.

Amen!

[HudsonHawk]

About Charlie, agreed. That's exactly what I meant by perfect way to go out -- he's been a dumbass most of the show (albeit an oddly endearing one). What I don't get is why they don't just put some lead in Ben as soon as they see him? Why keep giving him chance after chance, and listening to that snake. Well, other than "that's how they were written."

Why does Ernst Stavro Blofeld keep trying to kill James Bond by a slow moving wheel of death in a sealed off room instead of shooting him while he's tied to the chair? 

Definitely looking forward to seeing how Locke's storyline plays out... and even though Walt made a cameo, I hope to God that Michael never shows his face again. He's a one-note character that's out-of-tune.

Agreed re: Michael.  Walt last night was a perfect example of why you can't have kids on the show.  When the show started he was what, 10 or 12?  Three "months" later he's 15 and his voice has changed.

[Bench]

Agreed re: Michael.  Walt last night was a perfect example of why you can't have kids on the show.  When the show started he was what, 10 or 12?  Three "months" later he's 15 and his voice has changed.

They should have just given the job to Gary Coleman and avoided this altogether.

[homer]

He didn't need to seal the door, the equipment was turned off.  He could have just walked out of the room put on the scuba gear and jumped into the water.  Or even just dove into the water and swam up.  There was no reason to *not* let the building flood.  And he'd been saved several times from Desmond's visions.  Desmond himself said he didn't *have* to die, only that if they followed that scenario, he *would* die.  They just could have made it a little more necessary.

They could have cut the line on the beach and avoided the whole thing.

[Astroholic]

Charlie did not have to even close the door.  That place was huge.  He had plenty of time to just casually walk out, put on the gear and swim to the surface, except Des said he had to die for Claire and the baby to be rescued.  

[Holly]

They could have cut the line on the beach and avoided the whole thing.

Dzzzzt. Dropping like flies on a bugzapper.

[Astroholic]

They could have cut the line on the beach and avoided the whole thing.

Unless "The Looking Glass" had its own power generating plant.  The cable could have been for Com.

[homer]

Unless "The Looking Glass" had its own power generating plant.  The cable could have been for Com.

If its power, problem solved. If its comm, then it seems that it would control the jamming equipment. Problem solved.

Anyway, why wouldn't they cut the line? Seems like the first thing to do... easiest potentially.

[Andyzipp]

If its power, problem solved. If its comm, then it seems that it would control the jamming equipment. Problem solved.

Anyway, why wouldn't they cut the line? Seems like the first thing to do... easiest potentially.

Because no one on this show asks frickin' questions.

[Astroholic]

If its power, problem solved. If its comm, then it seems that it would control the jamming equipment. Problem solved.

Anyway, why wouldn't they cut the line? Seems like the first thing to do... easiest potentially.

Agreed, That what MacGyver would have done.

[Andyzipp]

Agreed, That what MacGyver would have done.

MacGruber...Are you drunk?

[Astroholic]

MacGruber...Are you drunk?

Not Yet!

[Andyzipp]

Not Yet!

MacGruber!!!

[Astroholic]

MacGruber!!!

That is some funny shit right there.  Pick up the dog turd.  no you.

[HudsonHawk]

I thought the door couldn't be sealed from the outside (there was a handle on the inside, but I don't recall seeing one on the other side. Also, the blast from the grenade did not make a hole big enough from him to swim through.

He didn't need to swim through the porthole, he just had to swim out the same way he came in.

[HudsonHawk]

except Des said he had to die for Claire and the baby to be rescued.  

No, Des said the radar had to be turned off to be rescued.  They were all ready to reverse Charlie's fortune when Mikhail sprang back from the dead (for the third time). 

[HudsonHawk]

The other thing about Charlie and the Looking Glass, is that if the chamber he was in really sealed up airtight, then the water wouldn't have poured in like that.  Yes, it was underwater, but in order for the room to flood, the water has to displace the air in the chamber.  If the room was sealed, the water would have to gurgle in while simultaneously letting air out.  It wouldn't have been gushing in like it did.  Furthermore, along the same principle....the entire chamber could not have flooded.  It would have only flooded up to the level of the busted porthole, which was lower than the top of the chamber.  So even if the chamber filled partially up Charlie could have just floated to the top inside, where there would have been more than enough air for him to gather his wits and have Des open the door.  Same thing goes for filling up the entire station.  It wouldn't have, not from the busted porthole.  Bottom line, Charlie's a dumbass.

[HudsonHawk]

In fact, now that I think about it, water wouldn't have come in from the port hole at all, at least not until Charlie sealed off the chamber.  The station would have flooded from the bottom, with air escaping the blown porthole.  That whole scene is fucked up.

[Holly]

Wait, you're saying air would have blown out the porthole, or more like the porthole is now a makeshift release valve?

[HudsonHawk]

Wait, you're saying air would have blown out the porthole, or more like the porthole is now a makeshift release valve?

The port hole would act as a release valve.  The station would have flooded from the floor up, not from the porthole.  Air would be venting out the porthole while water fills from the bottom of the station.  And water would not have gotten above the porthole.  Even if the whole station begins to flood, it can only flood as long as air can be displaced.  Once the water reaches the top of the porthole, the air would have no place to go, and the flooding would stop.  There was a whole second floor to the station.   

[T. J.]

You guys are all fucking nerds.  What the hell is this thread?  You sound like old women talking about "Guiding Light".

[otterjb]

You guys are all fucking nerds.  What the hell is this thread?  You sound like old women talking about "Guiding Light".

The show is damn good. Suck it.

[Reuben]

You guys are all fucking nerds.  What the hell is this thread?  You sound like old women talking about "Guiding Light".

Yeah, but for myself, I guess I should've known better than to click on a thread titled "Robinson Cano" anyway...

[otterjb]

It's good. Suck it.

[Andyzipp]

It's good. Suck it.

9 out of 10 times you say this to a girl, you're gonna get slapped.

But that 10th time...magical.

[Holly]

9 out of 10 times you say this to a girl, you're gonna get slapped.

But that 10th time...magical.

Speaking of those magical... who's the avatar?

[Astroholic]

Speaking of those magical... who's the avatar?

That 1 in 10?

[PCOL2000]

i know i'm jumping in a few days late, but i live on the east side of oahu and they do a lot of filming for lost out here, which is kind of cool cause i can say "they film lost out by my house."  They drive all these big ass white trucks and you don't expect traffic to be backed up at 5:30 in the morning but when you make a turn and see fifty brake lights you know the freekin lost people are working today.  i hate them.  i hate them all.  i did see that short blonde haired hobbit looking guy who for some reason is dating the extremely hot brunette at dinner the other night.  i don't know their names cause my whore x-wife made me watch the first show and for some reason i associate that show with her - my whore x-wife.  and i hate the lost people and their big ass white trucks

[Astroholic]

i know i'm jumping in a few days late, but i live on the east side of oahu and they do a lot of filming for lost out here, which is kind of cool cause i can say "they film lost out by my house."  They drive all these big ass white trucks and you don't expect traffic to be backed up at 5:30 in the morning but when you make a turn and see fifty brake lights you know the freekin lost people are working today.  i hate them.  i hate them all.  i did see that short blonde haired hobbit looking guy who for some reason is dating the extremely hot brunette at dinner the other night.  i don't know their names cause my whore x-wife made me watch the first show and for some reason i associate that show with her - my whore x-wife.  and i hate the lost people and their big ass white trucks

Thanks for sharing.

[MusicMan]

You guys are all fucking nerds.  What the hell is this thread?  You sound like old women talking about "Guiding Light".

Your avator is from "Land of the Lost", and you're calling other people nerds?!?!

[JackAstro]

i know i'm jumping in a few days late, but i live on the east side of oahu and they do a lot of filming for lost out here, which is kind of cool cause i can say "they film lost out by my house."  They drive all these big ass white trucks and you don't expect traffic to be backed up at 5:30 in the morning but when you make a turn and see fifty brake lights you know the freekin lost people are working today.  i hate them.  i hate them all.  i did see that short blonde haired hobbit looking guy who for some reason is dating the extremely hot brunette at dinner the other night.  i don't know their names cause my whore x-wife made me watch the first show and for some reason i associate that show with her - my whore x-wife.  and i hate the lost people and their big ass white trucks

Aha. So this is the "aloha spirit" they're referring to in the credits.

[PCOL2000]

Aloha spirit my ass.  I'm from Alvin, Hawaiian's are about the most racist group of people i've ever come across. 

[Kent's Moustache]

Your avator is from "Land of the Lost", and you're calling other people nerds?!?!

That is some sweet, sweet irony right there.

[Billy Zabka]

Thanks for sharing.

In all fairness, that is similar to what I would write if I was drunk, so he might not be that bad.  If he was blacked out at the time.

[PCOL2000]

so you hate them too