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Not to mention 3rd base as well.  Remember 2006?  Yeah, me too.  Remember the woeful contributions of left field, third base and right field for pretty much the extent of the month of May and June and most of July?  Argh, that was a painful three months.  So Houston went out and acquired Aubrey Huff for some right field help last year, even though he eventually wound up helping more at third base.  Then they called up Luke Scott to help in left field.  They used Lance Berkman in right for some games and moved Mike Lamb to first base and then the offense fixed itself.

No more Preston Wilson.
No more Jason Lane.
No more Morgan Ensberg.

And Houston came within one game of winning the NL Central.  Here is the thing, pitching and defense wins championships.  Everyone was concerned with Houston making the playoffs because if you have Andy Pettitte, Roy Oswalt and Roger Clemens starting most of the games, you have to concern yourself with your ability to score against those guys.  But to get to the championship round, you needed some more oomph to the offense to make that push in August and September.  By more oomph, of course, I mean more than being blanked or held to one run each and every night (or so it seemed).  The problem then was the middle of the lineup.  Not Adam Everett, not Brad Ausmus... but Wilson, Lane and Ensberg going in the tank.  So Houston added Lamb, Scott and Huff to the lineup and it worked.  Don't tell me that adding Huff, as per the stats, did nothing to the offense.  It did.  It made pitchers aware they needed to pitch to Luke Scott more.

And the kid delivered.

So fast forward to today.  What is the situation this team is under right now?  Left field problems?  No.  Third base problem?  No, not really, they've addressed this pretty much and Lamb/Loretta are in.  So still the struggles.  Why?  Well, a couple of things to consider.

Last year, Houston had some very nice production at the top of the lineup from Chris Burke... yes, the much maligned and oft criticized Burke (and quite fairly so I might add).  But he was a darn good leadoff guy last year.  Biggio was a much better #2 hitter and often dropped down to #6 to get him more fastballs to look at.  His production last year was helped by Garner's machination with the lineup and the lack of fear of putting the elder statesman in a lower rung in the lineup for his own sake (and the sake of the team).  Garner pretty much inserted Lamb into the #2 role last year and it paid some dividends for pretty much the two months he was in the lineup.  The thing is, has Lamb/Loretta gotten the nod to be the #2 for a good long while?

I think so.

So the need to fix the leadoff is important right now.  I know nothing is going to be done any time soon, the chase for 3K and all, blah, blah, blah.  But my point is that while the chase is good and all, Houston just does not have a leadoff hitter to work into the mix right now.  Chris Burke?  I dunno any more.  He is not looking to good in AAA.  Sulking?  I dunno, perhaps so.  I saw one game at the Dell and while he was doing all the right things, his posture sure looked like a man who didn't feel he should be here in Round Rock.  Call it a hunch, but I think he's not happy right now and it shows a little.  Any way, on to other things to look at.  Namely: right freaking field.  This *was* the position I would've thought was the position in due time Hunter Pence would be called up to man.  Like maybe a week or two from now.  Except for a few small flashes of good work by Scott and Lane in a few games (both defense and offense), the corner position is not a position of strenght on this team.  And it should be.  I don't exactly know what is wrong with Scott and most certainly am dissappointed in Lane, but right now, neither looks like a major leaguer who deserves playing time in right field.  I know Scott is the hot/cold player, he has that reputation, but man oh man, does he not realize that he has a great opportunity here to solidify a job for the next few years or what?  I would think he'd have that position so strangle held right now, you'd have to pry it out of his cold dead hands before you could take the job from him.  But it's turning out to be just the opposite.  He's turning into jello right before our very eyes and that is strange to see.  So you'd think that Lane would see his chance and take it.  But he still has those nagging traits while swinging a baseball bat that create that huge hole in his swing and give pitchers that comfort of knowing it's the same old book on Lane as before, so no addedum needed this year.

So third base is not a problem, neither is the #2 hole in the lineup.  Right field is a huge problem, but lookee here, the CF job by Pence is making everyone feel so good that they are not paying attention to the hole in right.  Perhaps Pence should be moved to right?  Seriously, maybe this should be a move to be explored soon?  I think so.  Houston needs to find a bonafided, middle of the lineup hitting CF at this point.  Pence in right, new CF and Lee give Houston a better chance to score some runs.  Lance Berkman's struggles this year in driving the ball are well known now.  He just does not have the swing right now to drive a ball.  Injury?  I dunno, but he's swinging the bat like a player with a shoulder ouchy.  Don't think the opposing pitchers don't know it either.  They've challenged him more, and unless you're wearing a Redleg uni, beating him more too.  Looks like what Berkman needs is time more than anything.  But time has to come by way of production from others.  Adam Everett?  No, not him.  Brad Ausmus?  No, not him either.  Luke Scott?  Oh definitely him or someone else manning his position.  Hunter Pence?  He's a rookie and will hit the wall soon once the book is distributed.  It is in final stages of printing now and will be three hole punched, shrink wrapped and sent out by end of this week.   Carlos Lee?  Yes and he's doing quite well thank you very much.

So the move that may be the most appropriate to make at this point is to really evaluate how much they think Luke Scott can actually contribute as a major leaguer.  If the answer is "not much" (and they better figure that out soon), then they need to find an answer via the trade deadline for a legit CF who can hit.  Move Pence to right, have a better defense up the middle and some one to hit in the middle of the lineup to give Berkman time to get his groove back on.

And then, pitching and defense will win the championships for sure.  Last year, St. Louis decided to insert Chris Duncan into the lineup and move out Encarnacion.  It helped.  Houston might be facing the same situation soon with Luke Scott unless he turns it around soon and fulfills his promise shown last year.

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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2007, 12:03:07 pm »
Deja vu...
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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2007, 12:08:59 pm »
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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2007, 12:13:21 pm »
Wonder what it'd take to get Reggie Sanders from KC?


This doesn't have anything to do with anything, but when reading your post, I immediately thought of a bucket of fried chicken.  Carry on.
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2007, 12:23:20 pm »
Wonder what it'd take to get Reggie Sanders from KC?

I think the only thing another team would take from the Astros would be pitchers.   Would it be worth Sampson and a reliever for him?   

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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2007, 12:25:43 pm »
Deja vu...

We differ on our opinions of Burke at leadoff.  I think he's a solution at leadoff waiting to happen.  IMHO of course.  But where would he play on the field?  That is the million dollar question right now and one reason (I believe) he has had some PT in right field at Round Rock.  Perhaps a move of Biggio to #6 again and Burke being called up to be a RF (with Lane or Scott shipped out duct taped to a pitcher)?  I dunno.  Something like that would not shock me in the least.

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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2007, 12:27:31 pm »
Wonder what it'd take to get Reggie Sanders from KC?

He is on the DL with a hamstring tear.
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2007, 12:29:03 pm »
He is on the DL with a hamstring tear.

At his age, that is no small thing either.

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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2007, 12:30:13 pm »
I think the only thing another team would take from the Astros would be pitchers.   Would it be worth Sampson and a reliever for him?   

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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2007, 12:36:34 pm »
We differ on our opinions of Burke at leadoff.  I think he's a solution at leadoff waiting to happen.  IMHO of course.  But where would he play on the field?  That is the million dollar question right now and one reason (I believe) he has had some PT in right field at Round Rock.  Perhaps a move of Biggio to #6 again and Burke being called up to be a RF (with Lane or Scott shipped out duct taped to a pitcher)?  I dunno.  Something like that would not shock me in the least.

I don't believe Burke can get his OBP high enough to be a solution to the lead off hitter issue.  You can put him there, but that doesn't mean he can do the job.  He would be a short-term improvement in that dept. over Biggio of course, but then who wouldn't?
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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2007, 12:38:26 pm »
He is on the DL with a hamstring tear.

A minor quibble.

OK, playing the fantasy GM game...what CF/RFers might be available?
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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2007, 12:40:01 pm »
A minor quibble.

OK, playing the fantasy GM game...what CF/RFers might be available?

Think Winn might be avaliable?

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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2007, 12:43:40 pm »
Not to mention 3rd base as well.  Remember 2006?  Yeah, me too.  Remember the woeful contributions of left field, third base and right field for pretty much the extent of the month of May and June and most of July?  Argh, that was a painful three months.  So Houston went out and acquired Aubrey Huff for some right field help last year, even though he eventually wound up helping more at third base.  Then they called up Luke Scott to help in left field.  They used Lance Berkman in right for some games and moved Mike Lamb to first base and then the offense fixed itself.

No more Preston Wilson.
No more Jason Lane.
No more Morgan Ensberg.

And Houston came within one game of winning the NL Central.  Here is the thing, pitching and defense wins championships.  Everyone was concerned with Houston making the playoffs because if you have Andy Pettitte, Roy Oswalt and Roger Clemens starting most of the games, you have to concern yourself with your ability to score against those guys.  But to get to the championship round, you needed some more oomph to the offense to make that push in August and September.  By more oomph, of course, I mean more than being blanked or held to one run each and every night (or so it seemed).  The problem then was the middle of the lineup.  Not Adam Everett, not Brad Ausmus... but Wilson, Lane and Ensberg going in the tank.  So Houston added Lamb, Scott and Huff to the lineup and it worked.  Don't tell me that adding Huff, as per the stats, did nothing to the offense.  It did.  It made pitchers aware they needed to pitch to Luke Scott more.

And the kid delivered.

So fast forward to today.  What is the situation this team is under right now?  Left field problems?  No.  Third base problem?  No, not really, they've addressed this pretty much and Lamb/Loretta are in.  So still the struggles.  Why?  Well, a couple of things to consider.

Last year, Houston had some very nice production at the top of the lineup from Chris Burke... yes, the much maligned and oft criticized Burke (and quite fairly so I might add).  But he was a darn good leadoff guy last year.  Biggio was a much better #2 hitter and often dropped down to #6 to get him more fastballs to look at.  His production last year was helped by Garner's machination with the lineup and the lack of fear of putting the elder statesman in a lower rung in the lineup for his own sake (and the sake of the team).  Garner pretty much inserted Lamb into the #2 role last year and it paid some dividends for pretty much the two months he was in the lineup.  The thing is, has Lamb/Loretta gotten the nod to be the #2 for a good long while?

I think so.

So the need to fix the leadoff is important right now.  I know nothing is going to be done any time soon, the chase for 3K and all, blah, blah, blah.  But my point is that while the chase is good and all, Houston just does not have a leadoff hitter to work into the mix right now.  Chris Burke?  I dunno any more.  He is not looking to good in AAA.  Sulking?  I dunno, perhaps so.  I saw one game at the Dell and while he was doing all the right things, his posture sure looked like a man who didn't feel he should be here in Round Rock.  Call it a hunch, but I think he's not happy right now and it shows a little.  Any way, on to other things to look at.  Namely: right freaking field.  This *was* the position I would've thought was the position in due time Hunter Pence would be called up to man.  Like maybe a week or two from now.  Except for a few small flashes of good work by Scott and Lane in a few games (both defense and offense), the corner position is not a position of strenght on this team.  And it should be.  I don't exactly know what is wrong with Scott and most certainly am dissappointed in Lane, but right now, neither looks like a major leaguer who deserves playing time in right field.  I know Scott is the hot/cold player, he has that reputation, but man oh man, does he not realize that he has a great opportunity here to solidify a job for the next few years or what?  I would think he'd have that position so strangle held right now, you'd have to pry it out of his cold dead hands before you could take the job from him.  But it's turning out to be just the opposite.  He's turning into jello right before our very eyes and that is strange to see.  So you'd think that Lane would see his chance and take it.  But he still has those nagging traits while swinging a baseball bat that create that huge hole in his swing and give pitchers that comfort of knowing it's the same old book on Lane as before, so no addedum needed this year.

So third base is not a problem, neither is the #2 hole in the lineup.  Right field is a huge problem, but lookee here, the CF job by Pence is making everyone feel so good that they are not paying attention to the hole in right.  Perhaps Pence should be moved to right?  Seriously, maybe this should be a move to be explored soon?  I think so.  Houston needs to find a bonafided, middle of the lineup hitting CF at this point.  Pence in right, new CF and Lee give Houston a better chance to score some runs.  Lance Berkman's struggles this year in driving the ball are well known now.  He just does not have the swing right now to drive a ball.  Injury?  I dunno, but he's swinging the bat like a player with a shoulder ouchy.  Don't think the opposing pitchers don't know it either.  They've challenged him more, and unless you're wearing a Redleg uni, beating him more too.  Looks like what Berkman needs is time more than anything.  But time has to come by way of production from others.  Adam Everett?  No, not him.  Brad Ausmus?  No, not him either.  Luke Scott?  Oh definitely him or someone else manning his position.  Hunter Pence?  He's a rookie and will hit the wall soon once the book is distributed.  It is in final stages of printing now and will be three hole punched, shrink wrapped and sent out by end of this week.   Carlos Lee?  Yes and he's doing quite well thank you very much.

So the move that may be the most appropriate to make at this point is to really evaluate how much they think Luke Scott can actually contribute as a major leaguer.  If the answer is "not much" (and they better figure that out soon), then they need to find an answer via the trade deadline for a legit CF who can hit.  Move Pence to right, have a better defense up the middle and some one to hit in the middle of the lineup to give Berkman time to get his groove back on.

And then, pitching and defense will win the championships for sure.  Last year, St. Louis decided to insert Chris Duncan into the lineup and move out Encarnacion.  It helped.  Houston might be facing the same situation soon with Luke Scott unless he turns it around soon and fulfills his promise shown last year.




I like the idea but who?? Like subnuclear said it seams it would take a Sampson level pitcher. Instead of trading away pitching why not Lamb @ 1st, Berkman in Right, Loretta 3rd? Unless berkman is really hurt.  
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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2007, 12:45:21 pm »



I like the idea but who?? Like subnuclear said it seams it would take a Sampson level pitcher. Instead of trading away pitching why not Lamb @ 1st, Berkman in Right, Loretta 3rd? Unless berkman is really hurt.  


We go through this 3-4 times a week now. If we play Lamb and Loretta every day, who the fuck is going to pinch hit?
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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2007, 12:48:29 pm »
We go through this 3-4 times a week now. If we play Lamb and Loretta every day, who the fuck is going to pinch hit?


Scott, Palmiero, Lane


If that's the logic lets sit Lee and put Palmiero in left.
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« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2007, 12:51:25 pm »
We go through this 3-4 times a week now. If we play Lamb and Loretta every day, who the fuck is going to pinch hit?

Sampson and Williams.
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« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2007, 12:52:15 pm »
We differ on our opinions of Burke at leadoff.  I think he's a solution at leadoff waiting to happen.  IMHO of course.  But where would he play on the field?  That is the million dollar question right now and one reason (I believe) he has had some PT in right field at Round Rock.  Perhaps a move of Biggio to #6 again and Burke being called up to be a RF (with Lane or Scott shipped out duct taped to a pitcher)?  I dunno.  Something like that would not shock me in the least.

Nope.  Burke's been in left, center, and second.  RR everyday RF is Josh Anderson.
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« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2007, 12:55:25 pm »

Scott, Palmiero, Lane


If that's the logic lets sit Lee and put Palmiero in left.

Scott and Lane would be shit off the bench. And they can only play an outfield position.

The Astros could play Lamb and Loretta everyday if they can find another left handed hitter for the bench. Bruntlett or Burke could fill the utility role. Ensberg and Lane would have to go.

Loretta everyday would be fine, but as someone pointed out earlier today... Lamb would look very average playing everyday. He is better, above average even, off the bench.
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« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2007, 12:56:05 pm »
We go through this 3-4 times a week now. If we play Lamb and Loretta every day, who the fuck is going to pinch hit?

Also, if you thought the defense was bad now...
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« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2007, 12:57:04 pm »
Sampson and Williams.

I still think Garner should have let Sampson hit instead of Ensberg the other day.
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« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2007, 12:59:36 pm »
I still think Garner should have let Sampson hit instead of Ensberg the other day.

He was the only one who had a fucking clue last night.
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« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2007, 01:01:11 pm »

This doesn't have anything to do with anything, but when reading your post, I immediately thought of a bucket of fried chicken.  Carry on.

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« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2007, 01:01:35 pm »
He was the only one who had a fucking clue last night.

Too many fat pitches taken by the Good Guys last night.
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« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2007, 01:05:12 pm »
We differ on our opinions of Burke at leadoff.  I think he's a solution at leadoff waiting to happen.  IMHO of course.  But where would he play on the field?  That is the million dollar question right now and one reason (I believe) he has had some PT in right field at Round Rock.  Perhaps a move of Biggio to #6 again and Burke being called up to be a RF (with Lane or Scott shipped out duct taped to a pitcher)?  I dunno.  Something like that would not shock me in the least.

he has played LF and CF in RR primarily. Burke in RF is another disaster.
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« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2007, 01:06:29 pm »
Too many fat pitches taken by the Good Guys last night.
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« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2007, 01:07:06 pm »
Scott and Lane would be shit off the bench. And they can only play an outfield position.

The Astros could play Lamb and Loretta everyday if they can find another left handed hitter for the bench. Bruntlett or Burke could fill the utility role. Ensberg and Lane would have to go.

Loretta everyday would be fine, but as someone pointed out earlier today... Lamb would look very average playing everyday. He is better, above average even, off the bench.


I'd rather trade for a CF like Noe said but WHO? and at what expense?

Scott has had some big pinch hits this year. Make Lane go away, bring up Bruntlett
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« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2007, 01:07:26 pm »
Too many fat pitches taken by the Good Guys last night.

Yeah, and for the life of me why they were rolling over on the outside slider is beyond me.  Take that pitch to right or up the middle, but for heaven's sake, don't try to pull it.  I was really disappointed to see the approach they took to hitting the left hander.  Reminded me of the days when Bob Knepper would dazzle the steMs with his outside slop.  Davey Johnson got so mad at his players after one game, he told them that the next guy who did not purposely try to hit Knepper's pitches to right field would get benched.

They listened to him and one Sunday afternoon, those pull happy free swinging steMs all responded and beat the crap out of Knepper and the Astros.  A lot of singles, a lot of doubles and when Knepper was forced to challenge them, lots more gappers and homeruns that afternoon.  Simple, yet effective approach to hitting a soft tossing lefty would pitches to the outside corner of the plate.

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« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2007, 01:07:43 pm »
Too many fat pitches taken by the Good Guys last night.

Yep, and too many pull swings.  This shower struggles to hit Lowry, so their solution is to try and hit him harder.  The most success was with the softest hits - bunts!  Sampson waited a poked a single through the right side.  Why the fuck didn't anyone else try that?!!!!
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« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2007, 01:09:18 pm »
Nope.  Burke's been in left, center, and second.  RR everyday RF is Josh Anderson.

Thanks, I saw him play centerfield and he was tentative at best playing out there.  I thought they had him playing some right field as well, but you're correct, they moved him to left field to find him a place to play for a while to clear his head.

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« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2007, 01:11:37 pm »
Yep, and too many pull swings.  This shower struggles to hit Lowry, so their solution is to try and hit him harder.  The most success was with the softest hits - bunts!  Sampson waited a poked a single through the right side.  Why the fuck didn't anyone else try that?!!!!

Nobody else on the team is smart enough...

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« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2007, 01:14:41 pm »
I don't believe Burke can get his OBP high enough to be a solution to the lead off hitter issue.  You can put him there, but that doesn't mean he can do the job.  He would be a short-term improvement in that dept. over Biggio of course, but then who wouldn't?

Point well taken.  I felt I saw real promise in Burke hitting leadoff last year for the team during the Willy Taveras benching in July and August.  Burke was hitting more line drives all over the place instead putting air under the ball to try and hit for power.  He did an impressive job (IMHO) and I wanted to see more of him there.  The few times he lead off for this team this year, he swung the bat well.  I think he gets into trouble when he's put in the 6 hole and asked to contribute as a run producer.

Houston with Burke at leadoff would be a very good team, again IMHO.

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« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2007, 01:19:26 pm »

Houston with Burke at leadoff would be a very good team, again IMHO.

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« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2007, 01:27:42 pm »
Would it be worth Sampson and a reliever for him?   

You want to trade Chris Sampson AND a reliever for one washed up, injured old man?  Wow.  Forget my bias for Sampson; this is stupid crazy talk.  I wouldn't give them WANDY and a reliever for Reggie Sanders.

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« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2007, 01:29:59 pm »
You want to trade Chris Sampson AND a reliever for one washed up, injured old man?  Wow.  Forget my bias for Sampson; this is stupid crazy talk.  I wouldn't give them WANDY and a reliever for Reggie Sanders.

I wouldn't give up a used connie for Reggie Sanders, but that's my bias.
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« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2007, 01:30:45 pm »
You want to trade Chris Sampson AND a reliever for one washed up, injured old man?  Wow.  Forget my bias for Sampson; this is stupid crazy talk.  I wouldn't give them WANDY and a reliever for Reggie Sanders.

That was my point.  Do you think KC would give him up for something less?

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« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2007, 01:30:56 pm »
Houston with Burke at leadoff would be a very good team, again IMHO.

How does a guy with a career .328 on-base leading off help the team?  The guy talks a walk 1 in every 14 PAs. 

Not an attack post, I'm wondering why you would say this.

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« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2007, 01:31:36 pm »
That was my point.  Do you think KC would give him up for something less?

I don't know what KC wants/needs, but it seems to me we could get Reggie Sanders (or something similar) for, say, Chad Qualls.

ETA:  Which I ALSO wouldn't do.

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« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2007, 01:33:51 pm »
How does a guy with a career .328 on-base leading off help the team?  The guy talks a walk 1 in every 14 PAs. 

...and strikes out 1 in 4.
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« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2007, 01:48:59 pm »

I'd rather trade for a CF like Noe said but WHO? and at what expense?

Scott has had some big pinch hits this year. Make Lane go away, bring up Bruntlett

Torii Hunter is the biggest name I can think of that might be available.
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« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2007, 01:58:22 pm »
I wouldn't give up a used connie for Reggie Sanders, but that's my bias.
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« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2007, 02:02:21 pm »
Torii Hunter is the biggest name I can think of that might be available.

Torii is in a contract year. From Rosenthal:

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Hunter might not be an elite hitter, but he's not a Metrodome creation, either; his career on-base percentage is five points higher on the road (.326-.321) and his slugging percentage four points higher (.471-.467). The Twins will need to consider trading Hunter if they fall out of contention, knowing how difficult it will be to re-sign him.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6834288

Ichiro is also in a contract year:

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A person familiar with Ichiro's thinking, speaking to Newsday on the condition of anonymity, opined that the 33-year-old Suzuki will explore free agency now that he is so close to it. But the person further predicted that Suzuki will be very selective regarding his next employer.

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...Seattle could quickly drop out of the pennant race and trade Ichiro by July 31. But I'll bet against that.

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The possibility of losing Ichiro, an All-Star in each of his six seasons with the club, likely will loom over the Mariners. And there is more. Tony Attanasio, Ichiro's longtime agent, suggested the Mariners may be forced to part with Ichiro this summer -- before his contract expires.

"If it appears to them that they can't sign Ichiro," Attanasio said Tuesday afternoon, "they might have to trade him. If they didn't, they'd risk just getting a draft choice for him."

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« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2007, 02:07:54 pm »
[culturally insensitive remark] maybe we can get Yao to recruit Ichiro in the offseason [/culturally insensitive remark]

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« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2007, 02:13:41 pm »
[culturally insensitive remark] maybe we can get Yao to recruit Ichiro in the offseason [/culturally insensitive remark]

It's also a culturally inaccurate remark.
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« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2007, 02:19:30 pm »
Torii is in a contract year. From Rosenthal:

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6834288

Ichiro is also in a contract year:

http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spken155172681apr15,0,7451716.column?page=1&coll=ny-sports-print

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/304515_mari21.html

Neither Minnesota nor Seattle look to be headed to the post-season as we're sitting in mid-May.  Ensberg/Lane, Qualls/Wheeler/Lidge, and a prospect not named Patton, say Albers or Guterriez and take on the entire rest of the contract for either?
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« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2007, 02:24:54 pm »
It's also a culturally inaccurate remark.

Whoa, whoa, whoa!

China is NOT the same as Japan?????

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« Reply #45 on: May 22, 2007, 02:26:09 pm »
Ichiro is also in a contract year:

Ichiro would break the record for triples in a season playing in MMPUS.
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« Reply #46 on: May 22, 2007, 02:28:19 pm »
Whoa, whoa, whoa!

China is NOT the same as Japan?????

Shit, I have some tax returns I have to fix.

This is the inaccurate/insensitive cultural grouping I was trying to capture in the first post.  What's that saying about how any joke is terrible if you have to explain it? poor delivery

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« Reply #47 on: May 22, 2007, 02:29:00 pm »
It's also a culturally inaccurate remark.

maybe that was the insesitive part. 
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« Reply #48 on: May 22, 2007, 02:31:26 pm »
maybe that was the insesitive part. 

I was offended.

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« Reply #49 on: May 22, 2007, 02:31:42 pm »
Neither Minnesota nor Seattle look to be headed to the post-season as we're sitting in mid-May.  Ensberg/Lane, Qualls/Wheeler/Lidge, and a prospect not named Patton, say Albers or Guterriez and take on the entire rest of the contract for either?

Minnesota needs a right handed bat. Apparently they have several starters in the pipeline, and Nathan is or will be extended as closer.

Seattle needs pitching. They were interested in Benitez before the season started.
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« Reply #50 on: May 22, 2007, 02:39:42 pm »
Seattle needs pitching. They were interested in Benitez before the season started.

The Astros have three potential closers* that might interest Seattle:  Wheeler, Qualls and Lidge.  Would they take one of 'em straight up for Ichiro?

*  Shame Nieve's on the shelf.  He had shut-down stuff when he only had to hump it up there for one inning.
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« Reply #51 on: May 22, 2007, 02:40:51 pm »
How does a guy with a career .328 on-base leading off help the team?  The guy talks a walk 1 in every 14 PAs. 

Not an attack post, I'm wondering why you would say this.

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« Reply #52 on: May 22, 2007, 02:41:02 pm »
Minnesota needs a right handed bat. Apparently they have several starters in the pipeline, and Nathan is or will be extended as closer.

Astros don't have any right handed hitting.  That they can spare, I mean.
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« Reply #53 on: May 22, 2007, 02:46:17 pm »
It took Octavio Dotel and John Buck (in a three way trade) for Carlos Beltran, if you want to use that as a reference.   Randy Johnson took Freddy Garcia and Carlos Guillen.  I'd say Suzuki is somewhere in that range. 

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« Reply #54 on: May 22, 2007, 02:47:43 pm »
The Astros have three potential closers* that might interest Seattle:  Wheeler, Qualls and Lidge.  Would they take one of 'em straight up for Ichiro?

*  Shame Nieve's on the shelf.  He had shut-down stuff when he only had to hump it up there for one inning.

As far as I understand, there's zero chance.  Seattle wants to re-sign Ichiro more than anything this offseason and have publicly made that known. 

If they trade him, I imagine it would be for Berkman or Oswalt.

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« Reply #55 on: May 22, 2007, 02:52:23 pm »
As far as I understand, there's zero chance.  Seattle wants to re-sign Ichiro more than anything this offseason and have publicly made that known. 

If they trade him, I imagine it would be for Berkman or Oswalt.

Can we send the 2007 Berkman for Hiro Nakamura?
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« Reply #56 on: May 22, 2007, 02:55:51 pm »
The Astros have three potential closers* that might interest Seattle:  Wheeler, Qualls and Lidge.  Would they take one of 'em straight up for Ichiro?

*  Shame Nieve's on the shelf.  He had shut-down stuff when he only had to hump it up there for one inning.
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« Reply #57 on: May 22, 2007, 02:58:37 pm »
As far as I understand, there's zero chance.  Seattle wants to re-sign Ichiro more than anything this offseason and have publicly made that known. 

If they trade him, I imagine it would be for Berkman or Oswalt.

Not even close. He has a half year on a contract with no options, etc. Berkman and Oswalt are signed long term.

Ichiro was interviewed last week saying that the two sides weren't close on a deal. He was also crying about respect, and all that shit, so its probably all posturing.

The best Seattle could hope for is prospects, or perhaps a young 'MLB ready' player for the time remaining on Ichiro's contract. Or perhaps Lidge.
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« Reply #58 on: May 22, 2007, 03:00:52 pm »
Not even close. He has a half year on a contract with no options, etc. Berkman and Oswalt are signed long term.

Ichiro was interviewed last week saying that the two sides weren't close on a deal. He was also crying about respect, and all that shit, so its probably all posturing.

The best Seattle could hope for is prospects, or perhaps a young 'MLB ready' player for the time remaining on Ichiro's contract. Or perhaps Lidge.

Lidge for Ichiro?  Done.
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« Reply #59 on: May 22, 2007, 03:01:54 pm »
Not even close. He has a half year on a contract with no options, etc. Berkman and Oswalt are signed long term.

Ichiro was interviewed last week saying that the two sides weren't close on a deal. He was also crying about respect, and all that shit, so its probably all posturing.

The best Seattle could hope for is prospects, or perhaps a young 'MLB ready' player for the time remaining on Ichiro's contract. Or perhaps Lidge.

I think you misunderstood my point.  My point wasn't what it would actually take to make a trade for him; it was that I honestly can't imagine Seattle trading Ichiro.  I don't care how close he says the sides are.  They're going to throw a boatload of money at him until he takes it. 

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« Reply #60 on: May 22, 2007, 03:05:51 pm »
Lidge for Ichiro?  Done.

They aren't even close to winning, and Lidge seems more like a 'final piece' trade and less of a rebuild trade. But, yeah, duct tape Ensberg, Lane, Burke to him as well... if we are dreaming.

Seriously though, a good young pitcher or two (Albers, Sampson, someone else that I can't think of) with Lidge might do the trick.
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« Reply #61 on: May 22, 2007, 03:06:48 pm »
I think you misunderstood my point.  My point wasn't what it would actually take to make a trade for him; it was that I honestly can't imagine Seattle trading Ichiro.  I don't care how close he says the sides are.  They're going to throw a boatload of money at him until he takes it. 

You are probably right, Ichiro probably won't leave Seattle. And he will probably make A-Rod money next year.
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« Reply #62 on: May 22, 2007, 04:19:49 pm »
You are probably right, Ichiro probably won't leave Seattle. And he will probably make A-Rod money next year.

With Nintendo kicking Sony's butt at video games again, how long is it gonna be until we see Ichiro Superstar Baseball on the Wii?
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« Reply #63 on: May 22, 2007, 04:21:32 pm »
You are probably right, Ichiro probably won't leave Seattle. And he will probably make A-Rod money next year.
DIdn't someone say he's 33? I'd be surprised if he got more than Beltran money next year. While I can see him being very good for another 4-5 years, and I'd love to see him on the Astros, the guys who hit the bombs are the ones who get $18mil+.
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« Reply #64 on: May 22, 2007, 05:32:26 pm »
I was thinking about Joey Gathright from KC.  Before you laugh too hard, he has seemed to figure out how to draw a BB this year in AAA while also hitting around .300ish.  He is no Beltran in CF but is comparable to WilyT (and certainly better than Burke).  KC has a logjam of young OFers so Joey should be had on the cheap.  It basically gives us back a WilyT type to bat leadoff and play CF while putting PENCE back in RF where he probably belongs longterm. 

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« Reply #65 on: May 22, 2007, 05:32:49 pm »
Whoa, whoa, whoa!

China is NOT the same as Japan?????

Shit, I have some tax returns I have to fix.

I can tell them Celestial type Orientals by their one syllable last names, like Woo, the Nip Orientals always got multisyllabic last names, like Yamaguchi.
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« Reply #66 on: May 22, 2007, 05:36:53 pm »
I was thinking about Joey Gathright from KC.  Before you laugh too hard, he has seemed to figure out how to draw a BB this year in AAA while also hitting around .300ish.  He is no Beltran in CF but is comparable to WilyT (and certainly better than Burke).  KC has a logjam of young OFers so Joey should be had on the cheap.  It basically gives us back a WilyT type to bat leadoff and play CF while putting PENCE back in RF where he probably belongs longterm. 

That is very interesting.  Think the Royals would be interested in a Chris Burke for Joey Gathright trade straight up?  I don't remember, but has Joey had any off-field problems in his past?

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« Reply #67 on: May 22, 2007, 05:42:21 pm »
That is very interesting.  Think the Royals would be interested in a Chris Burke for Joey Gathright trade straight up?  I don't remember, but has Joey had any off-field problems in his past?

No just on the field problems (ie. obp for a leadoff guy) that I recall.  He appears to have gotten the message by his demotion to AAA this season.  KC appears to need a young 2B (of course so do the Stros) so Burke straightup sounds feasible to me. 

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« Reply #68 on: May 22, 2007, 05:43:04 pm »
That is very interesting.  Think the Royals would be interested in a Chris Burke for Joey Gathright trade straight up?  I don't remember, but has Joey had any off-field problems in his past?

Just read a scouting report on Gathright.  Not too flattering, basically calling him a Charlton Jimerson with no power.  Worse than that, he has a weak arm (like Burke) for center and is prone to swinging at high fastballs in his eyes (like Jason Lane).

Might not be such a good fit.  I like what you were saying though, good observation.

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« Reply #69 on: May 22, 2007, 06:00:38 pm »
Just read a scouting report on Gathright.  Not too flattering, basically calling him a Charlton Jimerson with no power.  Worse than that, he has a weak arm (like Burke) for center and is prone to swinging at high fastballs in his eyes (like Jason Lane).

Might not be such a good fit.  I like what you were saying though, good observation.

The weak arm report is a kicker but he looks to have resolved (on the AAA level anyways) his leadoff production issues (.310 avg with a .451 obp; 28 BB in 125 ABs).

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« Reply #70 on: May 23, 2007, 01:12:01 am »
That is very interesting.  Think the Royals would be interested in a Chris Burke for Joey Gathright trade straight up?  I don't remember, but has Joey had any off-field problems in his past?
Not unless you count a fondness for jumping over cars (I believe the d-Rays made him promise not to do that anymore FWIW):
http://ballhype.com/story/youtube_royals_of_joey_gathright_goes_car_jumping/

And he did have the ST scuffle with Julian Tavarez (prompting the classic "Joey Gathright must look like a dugout phone" topic line in here).

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« Reply #71 on: May 23, 2007, 11:53:40 pm »
  This guy Taveras in Colorado has a .375 OBP,  .300 BA and supposedly plays a very good center field.   What would it take to get him?    Maybe we could package an injured pitcher with one year on his contract for Taveras and another pitching prospect.

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« Reply #72 on: May 24, 2007, 12:29:13 am »
  This guy Taveras in Colorado has a .375 OBP,  .300 BA and supposedly plays a very good center field.   What would it take to get him?    Maybe we could package an injured pitcher with one year on his contract for Taveras and another pitching prospect.
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     and Popeyes.  And Churches.

I am the seed ground for civilization. I am the manna that will stand for all time.

     Various fads and crazes pass over me. I forget. The Chinese all-you-can-eat

     buffet. I forget. Build your own burger. Eat a heart healthy (i.e., featureless,

     tasteless) salad.  I forget. Everything from gorditos to $5 pizza comes to me

     and makes me work and give up what I have. And I forget.

Sometimes I growl, shake myself and spatter a few grease drops for history

     to remember. Then--I forget.

When I, the Chicken, learn to remember, when I, the Chicken, use the

     lessons of yesterday and no longer have any grams of trans fat in me,

     whatever the hell trans fat is--then there will be no speaker in all the

     world say the name: "The Chicken," with any fleck of a sneer in his

     voice or any far-off smile of derision.  I have seen the hamburger and the pizza

     and the soft taco supreme and the moo goo gai pan, I have seen them all come,

     and seen them all go; yet I, the Chicken, the Colonel, remain.  Either regular,

     or extra crispy.

I have been forsaken, been forgot.  My grease-soaked buckets have been crumpled

     up, and left in the dumpster of history.  But I will rise back to favor, again and

     again.

The mob--the crowd--the mass--will arrive then.  My new Famous Bowls®, shoved full
     of mashed potatos, nuggets, corn, and cheese. . . all mixed together like your

     grandma used to tell you not to do at Sunday dinner… this mouth-watering

     blend of flavors, with cream gravy dumped on top, will be the instrument

     which restores my latest glory.  Just  $3.99 with a free buttermilk biscuit in a

     limited offer.
 




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Re: Hey, look there... it's a problem in right field... again!
« Reply #74 on: May 24, 2007, 09:24:12 am »

I am the Chicken--the wing--the breast--the thigh...
 






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« Reply #75 on: May 24, 2007, 12:03:35 pm »
Is that emo?

My eyes! Bring back Captain Rididulous!
I remember all the good times me 'n Miller enjoyed
Up and down the M1 in some luminous yo-yo toy
But the future has to change - and to change I've got to destroy
Oh look out Lennon here I come - land ahoy-hoy-hoy