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« on: May 13, 2007, 11:25:26 am »
If you want that perspective you'll need to check it yourself.  I'm done.  They have taken a point of view which will not help anyone understand the Astros.  If they write information that might be useful, which is rare, I may post it.  Their opinions are no longer relevant.   You wont be missing anything, they have no accesss to the team.
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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2007, 11:42:18 am »
If you want that perspective you'll need to check it yourself.  I'm done.  They have taken a point of view which will not help anyone understand the Astros.  If they write information that might be useful, which is rare, I may post it.  Their opinions are no longer relevant.   You wont be missing anything, they have no accesss to the team.

Anything in particular push you over the edge?  Or just general worthlessness on the CHron's behalf?
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2007, 11:42:47 am »
Lemme guess. You waded into the sewage of Whortiz's latest blog entry?

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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2007, 11:52:17 am »
Anything in particular push you over the edge?  Or just general worthlessness on the CHron's behalf?

Recently they've gone right in the toilet and arent likely to recover, unless the Astros win 10 in a row.  The way they've covered the Clemens signing, Ortiz's cheap crap on Young, in his blog he cites racism for the reason that the Astros didnt not draft him, in the paper he quotes Young's mother.  Sad.  Further, Ortiz's article in today's paper relating how Billy Wagner's parting comments forced Mclane to spend money, and Justice's article on Lamb's playing time.  It's all peyton place bullshit.  Their blogs are a fraud.  There is heavy censoring of posts they find uncomfortable.  There is nothing there which will help anyone follow the Astros.  I can't enourage anyone to read the sports section of the Chron.  The Lifestyle section had a nice adverstisement today disguised as an article about outdoor furniture.  That might be a reason to subscribe to the local paper.  Sports section is bird cage liner. 

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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2007, 12:04:50 pm »
I've had a series of email exchanges with Whoriz about his race-baiting bullshit and his flimsy, cowardly "some people say" argument. The guy consistently accuses the Astros of making personnel decisions on the basis of race but doesn't have the stones to say it himself. No, see, he's not saying they're racists, he just asking the question "some people" are talking about.

I'd love to see Scrap Iron go Charlie Manuel on the little shitbird.


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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2007, 12:21:57 pm »
I've had a series of email exchanges with Whoriz about his race-baiting bullshit and his flimsy, cowardly "some people say" argument. The guy consistently accuses the Astros of making personnel decisions on the basis of race but doesn't have the stones to say it himself. No, see, he's not saying they're racists, he just asking the question "some people" are talking about.

I'd love to see Scrap Iron go Charlie Manuel on the little shitbird.



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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2007, 12:23:23 pm »
I still look at McTaggart's stuff, the regular beat-writer things; he occasionally has quotes or something not on astros.com.  I have no use for any of their columnists and haven't for quite some time, outside of pointing & snickering.  Now they're strictly a source of aggravation.
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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2007, 12:31:07 pm »
i havent read them in a while, other than box scores and AP feeds

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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2007, 12:46:20 pm »
I just had to email the Chron to say enough is enough. The Clemens thing this week was bad but this bit about the Astros not drafting Young is just too much. Not only does it insult the intelligence of fans but it also insults the intelligence of the African American community to expect that they would be gullible enough to belive this nonsense.

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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2007, 12:57:44 pm »
I just had to email the Chron to say enough is enough. The Clemens thing this week was bad but this bit about the Astros not drafting Young is just too much. Not only does it insult the intelligence of fans but it also insults the intelligence of the African American community to expect that they would be gullible enough to belive this nonsense.

Who are we talking about? Delmon Young? Why is this even remotely relevant to anything?
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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2007, 01:02:16 pm »
Who are we talking about? Delmon Young? Why is this even remotely relevant to anything?

Chris Young, Dbacks rookie & Bellaire HS grad.  Got drafted in the 16th round, iirc.  Ortiz implied that his race was a factor in the Astros not picking him.
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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2007, 01:05:40 pm »
Chris Young, Dbacks rookie & Bellaire HS grad.  Got drafted in the 16th round, iirc.  Ortiz implied that his race was a factor in the Astros not picking him.

Wow. I just read that. What a profoundly stupid take.
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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2007, 01:06:52 pm »
Who are we talking about? Delmon Young? Why is this even remotely relevant to anything?

We're talking about Chris Young.  Prav posted earlier in this thread:

"Ortiz's cheap crap on Young, in his blog he cites racism for the reason that the Astros didnt not draft him"

I would imagine that this is relevant in that Prav cites it a being one of the reasons that he made his decision not to post Chron links anymore, hence the title "I am done with the Chronicle"

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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2007, 01:15:02 pm »
The Chron is widely known as one of worst major newspapers in America, not just sports, all of it. I've luckily never read it and never plan to either. Well, maybe fifty cents is worth the clearing of a newspaper stand and then using it for campfires.

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« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2007, 01:15:16 pm »
Wow, I just read Ortiz's blog entry.   What a steaming pile of horseshit that was, I got stupidier with each sentence I read.

To the readers credit, nearly everyone who replied told JJO what an utter fool he sounded like.   

It is like he and the other tickturds over there have a contest going as to who can come up with the most ridiculous irrelevant topic.    Then parlay said idiocy into an appearance on either TV or radio.

None of them seem to care much about their profession. and seem like they would be much rhappier to be in Radio/TV. 
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« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2007, 01:32:16 pm »
It's really sad. Each of the three larger cities in the US has a readable daily newspaper. There are several other readable daily papers scattered throughout the country. But the Chronicle is 100% useless, every section, every day. It is worse than useless, in fact - it is embarrassing. I realize that by and large a community gets what it demands in terms of media, but it's still a very sore issue for me.

I'm torn between ignoring the paper altogether and reading it so that I can maintain an awareness of how truly repellent little cocksuckers like Chuy Ortiz are.

Edit: By the way, if you ever want a tool that is likely to ameliorate your disdain for the Chronicle's sports section try reading the business section some time.
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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2007, 02:44:20 pm »
If you want that perspective you'll need to check it yourself.  I'm done.  They have taken a point of view which will not help anyone understand the Astros.  If they write information that might be useful, which is rare, I may post it.  Their opinions are no longer relevant.   You wont be missing anything, they have no accesss to the team.
not in a blog but in yesterdays article there was no mention of pence. being i dont always see things the same as everyone else i got my daughter to read it and she found nothing either. not a pence cheer leader or anything (that is kathy ) but with his contribution to the game is was woth a mention
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« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2007, 03:51:43 pm »
If you want that perspective you'll need to check it yourself.  I'm done.  They have taken a point of view which will not help anyone understand the Astros.  If they write information that might be useful, which is rare, I may post it.  Their opinions are no longer relevant.   You wont be missing anything, they have no accesss to the team.

Its about fucking time. You threatened this before, and I hope you stick to it this time.
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« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2007, 03:56:09 pm »
Wow.  I just read the blog to see if it's as stupid as widely stated, or if mass hyperbole had sudden struck the board.  I now have my answer.  A work starring the master thespian Mr. Sandler provides the best answer I can think of to JdJO:

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« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2007, 04:18:08 pm »
not in a blog but in yesterdays article there was no mention of pence. being i dont always see things the same as everyone else i got my daughter to read it and she found nothing either. not a pence cheer leader or anything (that is kathy ) but with his contribution to the game is was woth a mention

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« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2007, 04:23:17 pm »
He actually replied to the response I sent in.  I asked why he didnt ask Drayton or Phil or Tim or the scouts if they werent drafting kids due to race.

His reply:

"(Actually, we will ask the questions. For a story you need to interview several folks in the community, check into it deeper and see what folks are saying. That way you are prepared if the issue comes up again. JJO) "

LOL!   Yeah, I am guessing "JJO" aint going to be asking that question, what a fraud.
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« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2007, 04:34:19 pm »
He actually replied to the response I sent in.  I asked why he didnt ask Drayton or Phil or Tim or the scouts if they werent drafting kids due to race.

His reply:

"(Actually, we will ask the questions. For a story you need to interview several folks in the community, check into it deeper and see what folks are saying. That way you are prepared if the issue comes up again. JJO) "

LOL!   Yeah, I am guessing "JJO" aint going to be asking that question, what a fraud.

I would love to hear a tape recording of that interviw.

"Hey Tim, Jose de Jesus Ortiz, Houston Chronicle.  Yes, THAT guy.  Hey I wanted to ask you: as a former head of minor league development and current GM of the Astros, do you not draft black high school players with scholarship offers to numerous prestigious schools because of their skin color, or because it would cost $2 million to get them to sign as a second rounder?  Basically, are you a racist or are you just cheap?"

*WHAM*

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« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2007, 04:36:28 pm »
Haven't subsribed to that paper in years.  When the free copy lands in the driveway on those days, it stays there until garbage days.....send a message (not that anyone notices, except those annoying neat-nick Briargrove Association neighbors.
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« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2007, 04:36:32 pm »
Yeah, i just replied to him and asked him to make sure to have someone videoing taping him when he asks the question.    It is hard to believe that this guy has a job a newspaper in a major city.
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« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2007, 04:45:42 pm »
He refuses to address my criticism of his bullshit "some people say" argument. No, he doesn't have time for that because he can't get over my use of the f-word in an email to him.

JJO: "I don't mind debating or you ripping me a new one, but do you really have to drop F bombs?"


This little nozzle makes his living working around professional athletes, but FUCK offends him. He's a lying fraud.

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« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2007, 04:48:30 pm »
I am so hoping he asks Garner on the wrong day, and Garner goes Dan Pastorini on him.
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« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2007, 09:54:04 pm »
Its about fucking time. You threatened this before, and I hope you stick to it this time.

Count on it.  Garner said that they have an agenda.  It has become evident to me that they are incapable of honest reportage. 

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« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2007, 09:56:17 pm »
JJO's latest from his blog....

(Chris, why do you think Phil and I don't have a good relationship. As everybody in the media would tell you, Phil thanked me for the way I handled the Clemens comments made and his own. Contrary to some myths out there, Brian McTaggart and I worked well together and were on the phone often that night just so everybody's side would be told. For that, Phil said he thought I handled that situation well. With that said, Phil and I are passionate, and we've had our share of screaming matches. I actually think we have extra respect for each other because neither is a backstabbing fraud. We don't hide our thoughts from each other. We may not agree, but we're men about it. JJO)
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« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2007, 10:08:58 pm »
JJO's latest from his blog....

(Chris, why do you think Phil and I don't have a good relationship. As everybody in the media would tell you, Phil thanked me for the way I handled the Clemens comments made and his own. Contrary to some myths out there, Brian McTaggart and I worked well together and were on the phone often that night just so everybody's side would be told. For that, Phil said he thought I handled that situation well. With that said, Phil and I are passionate, and we've had our share of screaming matches. I actually think we have extra respect for each other because neither is a backstabbing fraud. We don't hide our thoughts from each other. We may not agree, but we're men about it. JJO)

"Fraud" is an interesting way to put it.  Here's the way Alyson Footer reported it, NYCU Who has been the more honest reporter in the past?  He's really a sleazy punk for the "we're men about it" line.  No chance anyone will contradict him in his heavily censored blog.  I wonder if Garner is aware that the JO wrote that he betrayed the team, the organization and the fans by not taking Pence out of ST?  Does he know what "betray" means? Does he know what "respect" means?  The regular and the "extra" kind.
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« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2007, 10:12:44 pm »
I currently have Ortiz' Armed and Dangerous on my nightstand. In addition to being a hack reporter Ortiz quite simply can't write. He is completely talentless and repeats himself ad nauseum. This mess jumps around without any real chronological continuity...more like a series of sidebars. And his point-of-view is that  before Pettitte/Clemens came to save the day, this franchise had accomplished nothing and was a complete baseball wasteland. Dierker writes circles around this clown.

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« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2007, 10:58:43 pm »
I currently have Ortiz' Armed and Dangerous on my nightstand. In addition to being a hack reporter Ortiz quite simply can't write. He is completely talentless and repeats himself ad nauseum. This mess jumps around without any real chronological continuity...more like a series of sidebars. And his point-of-view is that  before Pettitte/Clemens came to save the day, this franchise had accomplished nothing and was a complete baseball wasteland. Dierker writes circles around this clown.

Do you have the used, half-read copy that I sold back to Half Price Books?  Look on the bottom of page 7 and see if someone's written in black ink 'This book does not get any better.'
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« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2007, 11:18:17 pm »
NO. I have the other copy that was sold to someone other than Ortiz' relatives.

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« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2007, 11:22:56 pm »
JJO's latest from his blog....

(Chris, why do you think Phil and I don't have a good relationship. As everybody in the media would tell you, Phil thanked me for the way I handled the Clemens comments made and his own. Contrary to some myths out there, Brian McTaggart and I worked well together and were on the phone often that night just so everybody's side would be told. For that, Phil said he thought I handled that situation well. With that said, Phil and I are passionate, and we've had our share of screaming matches. I actually think we have extra respect for each other because neither is a backstabbing fraud. We don't hide our thoughts from each other. We may not agree, but we're men about it. JJO)

What, pray tell, did Garner "thank" Ortiz for?  This?:

He (Phil Garner) can handle players grumbling, but he likely should have checked his facts before making his `Hollywood' comment.

What facts?  That no one said anything to him about seeing Clemens on television playing golf?  That Clemens actually was at the golf tournament?  That it was not "Hollywood", but "Houston" instead?  If so, that is a very thin semantic game that Ortiz is straddling in order to make his boss... errr.... the Hendricks Brothers and Clemens happy.  Why did *he* need to be the mouthpiece for Clemens?  Oh yeah, I forgot, this is JdJO, the guy who puts himself right smack dab in the middle of all the reports he files in order to *be* the story and not so much to report *the* story.

My bad.

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« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2007, 11:35:39 pm »
"Fraud" is an interesting way to put it. 

Has JdJO volunteered yet that he actually did call Tal Smith and the Houston Astros a racist organization and because of that, Smith had to be held back from going after him?  I wonder if his blog community *knew* this was not something new with Ortiz, but actually something he's done before (call the Astros a racist organization), they'd know that this crap about "It's not me, I just ask the question that the black community is asking me!  I honestly don't know what to think!" is a bunch of baloney.  Oh yeah, well it wasn't so obscure to you before, why is it now Ortiz?  He was macho enough to accuse Tal Smith and the Astros before, what gives with hiding behind Chris Young's mother's skirt?

Just say it and be done with it.  Just like John Lopez shot his mouth off about racism and turned out to be very wrong about the Telemundo flap, this has some serious implications if JdJO would just go ahead and stand behind his own vielded stance that he believes wholeheartedly that the Houston Astros are racist.  At least John Q. Lopez had no beef about saying he believed it of McLane.  Be a man Jesus, tell the Houston Astros what you *really* think about the organization... like you did before and we're going to get your arse kicked by Smith.
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« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2007, 07:17:57 am »
Prav, many of here have asked over the years why you kept reading all that crap.  Your answer was normally "I read it so you don't have too". I'm glad to see your quitting it. Sifting through 2 tons of shit in search of a trace of gold isn't worth it, when that gold is likely showing up somewhere else already.

Heck, when you get get a piece like this from Shreveport, why read anything the Chron is doing?
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070514/SPORTS/705140328/1001/SPORTS

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« Reply #35 on: May 14, 2007, 08:55:37 am »
I've had a series of email exchanges with Whoriz about his race-baiting bullshit and his flimsy, cowardly "some people say" argument. The guy consistently accuses the Astros of making personnel decisions on the basis of race but doesn't have the stones to say it himself. No, see, he's not saying they're racists, he just asking the question "some people" are talking about.

I'd love to see Scrap Iron go Charlie Manuel on the little shitbird.

The Daily Show did a great takedown of Faux News for doing this:  making a radical and possibly insulting statement, putting a question mark on the end and calling it journalism.  The "some people say" thing is rampant on TV news of all flavours.  It's the refuge of a weak mind and a weak spine.

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« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2007, 09:00:22 am »
It's really sad. Each of the three larger cities in the US has a readable daily newspaper. There are several other readable daily papers scattered throughout the country. But the Chronicle is 100% useless, every section, every day. It is worse than useless, in fact - it is embarrassing. I realize that by and large a community gets what it demands in terms of media, but it's still a very sore issue for me.

They have no competition so, if they had any sense of community or integrity, they'd raise the bar and try to inform and educate their readership.  Instead they less than half-arse it because it's cheaper and folks love a car wreck.
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« Reply #37 on: May 14, 2007, 09:02:21 am »
He actually replied to the response I sent in.  I asked why he didnt ask Drayton or Phil or Tim or the scouts if they werent drafting kids due to race.

His reply:

"(Actually, we will ask the questions. For a story you need to interview several folks in the community, check into it deeper and see what folks are saying. That way you are prepared if the issue comes up again. JJO) "

LOL!   Yeah, I am guessing "JJO" aint going to be asking that question, what a fraud.

Memo to JJdO:  Ask your questions before making the accusation, fuckwit!
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« Reply #38 on: May 14, 2007, 09:05:43 am »
Prav, many of here have asked over the years why you kept reading all that crap.  Your answer was normally "I read it so you don't have too". I'm glad to see your quitting it. Sifting through 2 tons of shit in search of a trace of gold isn't worth it, when that gold is likely showing up somewhere else already.

Heck, when you get get a piece like this from Shreveport, why read anything the Chron is doing?
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070514/SPORTS/705140328/1001/SPORTS

Until recently I thought that it was worthwhile.. If only to get an idea of where all the wierd ideas were coming from.  This last week has been a disaster for the credibility of the entire section.  The use of the blogs in the Chronicle has given the sports writers new opportunities to advance their own agendas.  It is almost impossible to separate the credible information from the scurrilous.  The worst thing is that they want you to believe they are soliciting and listening to the readers input.  They.  Are.  Not. 

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« Reply #39 on: May 14, 2007, 09:10:03 am »
The use of the blogs in the Chronicle has given the sports writers new opportunities to advance their own agendas.  It is almost impossible to separate the credible information from the scurrilous.


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« Reply #40 on: May 14, 2007, 09:25:33 am »

Shittipedia?

The great thing about the internet is that information is everywhere.  You don't need to read the Chronicle to be informed about the Astros.  I find it damn funny that the newspaper industry is about the last to realize this.   The rise of the internet has made the industry into meritocracy.  If you provide a service worth reading, you will survive.  If you publish swill, you will go the way of the dinosaur.

There is little value in reading the Chronicle.  I wager at least 35% of their readership does so out of habit.

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« Reply #41 on: May 14, 2007, 09:29:03 am »
There is little value in reading the Chronicle.  I wager at least 35% of their readership does so out of habit.

I'm definitely part of the 35%.  The morning paper has been part of my routine since I was 4.  I can't imagine getting moving without a glance at the sports page, no matter how bad I know it is.
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« Reply #42 on: May 14, 2007, 09:29:09 am »
The Daily Show did a great takedown of Faux News for doing this:  making a radical and possibly insulting statement, putting a question mark on the end and calling it journalism.  The "some people say" thing is rampant on TV news of all flavours.  It's the refuge of a weak mind and a weak spine.

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i hate the "some people say" line used as an invitation to be irresponsible. usually the "some people" are the reporters themselves.
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« Reply #43 on: May 14, 2007, 09:31:24 am »
The great thing about the internet is that information is everywhere.  You don't need to read the Chronicle to be informed about the Astros.  I find it damn funny that the newspaper industry is about the last to realize this.   The rise of the internet has made the industry into meritocracy.  If you provide a service worth reading, you will survive.  If you publish swill, you will go the way of the dinosaur.

There is little value in reading the Chronicle.  I wager at least 35% of their readership does so out of habit.



The Chronicle is not representative of the newspaper industry.  There are good papers and the best papers currently are locals that do provide credible coverage of their area.  The newspaper industry is still a good way to make a profit.  The only problem is that it's an old industry and the stock prices don't move fast enough.   Behind this idea of the death of the newspaper (as if content depends on format) is that everyone has internet access.   30% of US households do not have internet access and do not plan to get access in the next 5 years.  From what I know of the depth of the "digital divide" in Houston, this number is even higher locally.   

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« Reply #44 on: May 14, 2007, 09:42:46 am »
i hate the "some people say" line used as an invitation to be irresponsible. usually the "some people" are the reporters themselves.

Right.  It's just a way of getting their bullshit out there without actually having to have anything to support it.  The following quote has more traction than "some people"; at least it's source is attributed:


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« Reply #45 on: May 14, 2007, 09:50:45 am »
Right.  It's just a way of getting their bullshit out there without actually having to have anything to support it.  The following quote has more traction than "some people"; at least it's source is attributed:



And a way to feign wide eyed innocence when they're called on it.

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« Reply #46 on: May 14, 2007, 09:53:57 am »
I have never thought of the Chronicle as a particularly good newspaper. Ever. However it has spiraled downward since the purchase by the Hearst Corporation which has an inane ability to screw up a newspaper.


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« Reply #47 on: May 14, 2007, 09:56:16 am »
And a way to feign wide eyed innocence when they're called on it.

Some people are saying that JJdO walks around all day with an oversized pair of love eggs in his rectum.
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« Reply #48 on: May 14, 2007, 10:01:04 am »
Some people are saying that JJdO walks around all day with an oversized pair of love eggs in his rectum.

I'm sure you'll be hearing from his lawyer.  I would suggest you say something like "I felt like that was what I was hearing from some people."   Then site his own postings as the grounds for using such logic to challenge the integrity of another person/group/organization. 
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« Reply #49 on: May 14, 2007, 10:08:44 am »
I wager at least 35% of their readership does so out of habit.
I would agree with that as well.  Unless you have some really good writers there are 3 good things about a local paper:

1) Local Classifieds
2) Coupons
3) Local news reports, while the TV media can cover the big stuff just as well, the small stuff that can really do some research and in-depth coverage on is really cool.

There should always be a need for local papers, but lately they have been largely missing the boat in Houston (the paper as a whole, there are parts that "get it").

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« Reply #50 on: May 14, 2007, 10:17:14 am »
Some people are saying that JJdO walks around all day with an oversized pair of love eggs in his rectum.

Source?

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« Reply #51 on: May 14, 2007, 10:17:37 am »
The Chronicle is not representative of the newspaper industry.  There are good papers and the best papers currently are locals that do provide credible coverage of their area.  The newspaper industry is still a good way to make a profit.  The only problem is that it's an old industry and the stock prices don't move fast enough.   Behind this idea of the death of the newspaper (as if content depends on format) is that everyone has internet access.   30% of US households do not have internet access and do not plan to get access in the next 5 years.  From what I know of the depth of the "digital divide" in Houston, this number is even higher locally.   

Of those 30% that don't have internet and don't plan on having it, I would expect hardly any are current or potential subscribers to the newspaper.  I'd expect that most of the 30% without access are less weatlhy and less educated than the 70% who do have access.  Not exactly a demographic that would be in the market for a newspaper.

Regardless, there are good sports writers out there and hopefully the Chronicle will manage to employ one or two of them in the near future.
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« Reply #52 on: May 14, 2007, 10:18:31 am »
Source?

I'm not claiming it's accurate.  It's just what I heard...
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« Reply #53 on: May 14, 2007, 10:21:05 am »
Of those 30% that don't have internet and don't plan on having it, I would expect hardly any are current or potential subscribers to the newspaper.  I'd expect that most of the 30% without access are less weatlhy and less educated than the 70% who do have access.  Not exactly a demographic that would be in the market for a newspaper.

Regardless, there are good sports writers out there and hopefully the Chronicle will manage to employ one or two of them in the near future.

I dont find that poor necessarily correlates to incurious, and vice versa.   

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« Reply #54 on: May 14, 2007, 10:23:39 am »
I would agree with that as well.  Unless you have some really good writers there are 3 good things about a local paper:

1) Local Classifieds
2) Coupons
3) Local news reports, while the TV media can cover the big stuff just as well, the small stuff that can really do some research and in-depth coverage on is really cool.

There should always be a need for local papers, but lately they have been largely missing the boat in Houston (the paper as a whole, there are parts that "get it").

and your #1 and #2 are getting killed by Craig's list, Thrify Nickle etc.

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« Reply #55 on: May 14, 2007, 10:24:11 am »
I dont find that poor necessarily correlates to incurious, and vice versa.   

Right.  The newspaper actually has more of an obligation to be the "information source" for those who are on the lower rungs of the economic ladder, as it requires only a 75c investment and is available 24/7 thereafter.
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« Reply #56 on: May 14, 2007, 10:28:13 am »
JJO has now "closed" the topic.   I got the last post in, which was a reply to THIS ridiculous statement

JJO "I have a forum to ask these questions and to point out al these things that might add up to something. While some folks hate this topic because they really believe there isn't racism in the world, other folks who see racism cannot understand why we don't address this issue more often."

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"Nice STRAWMAN. Who is saying racism doesn't exist in the world??

Quit hiding behind the "some people are asking" facade. It is pathetic that a major newspaper would let you get away with something like this, which is bordering on libel. What you are doing is something I would expect out of the National Enquirer. "

then he closed the thread and ended it with THIS doozy...

JJO:  "This topic is officially closed. No more comments will be posted. Thanks for all the comments. We will keep you posted as this story evolves. Maybe this will create a dialogue. We will talk to several folks in the African American community and perhaps even Barry Bonds and Jesse Jackson to see what they'd suggest the Astros can do so that the families of kids like All-Star Carl Crawford and Chris Young don't have to wonder why the Astros never even bothered to call them even though they starred here. Once again, thanks for all your comments and we'll open this up for discussion again at a later date. For now, feel free to comment on the others."

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« Reply #57 on: May 14, 2007, 10:28:20 am »
and your #1 and #2 are getting killed by Craig's list, Thrify Nickle etc.
Huh, only recently heard about Craig's list, but does that also have job listings?
And Thrifty nickle has been around for years, but I have never seen them as "killing" a paper's version.  But then I have not read either one in about 10 years.

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« Reply #58 on: May 14, 2007, 10:31:38 am »
I would agree with that as well.  Unless you have some really good writers there are 3 good things about a local paper:

1) Local Classifieds
2) Coupons
3) Local news reports, while the TV media can cover the big stuff just as well, the small stuff that can really do some research and in-depth coverage on is really cool.

There should always be a need for local papers, but lately they have been largely missing the boat in Houston (the paper as a whole, there are parts that "get it").

#2 is the reason they always try to get me to subscribe to the paper.  I don't need 100s of dollars worth of coupons or their paper.
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« Reply #59 on: May 14, 2007, 10:32:03 am »
Huh, only recently heard about Craig's list, but does that also have job listings?

Yep.  Hand jobs, blow jobs...
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« Reply #60 on: May 14, 2007, 10:36:50 am »
Of those 30% that don't have internet and don't plan on having it, I would expect hardly any are current or potential subscribers to the newspaper.  I'd expect that most of the 30% without access are less weatlhy and less educated than the 70% who do have access.  Not exactly a demographic that would be in the market for a newspaper.

Regardless, there are good sports writers out there and hopefully the Chronicle will manage to employ one or two of them in the near future.

I don't know- for 50 cents a homeless guy could clean out the newspaper box and have blankets and pillows for the ngiht. That might be about the best/most appropriate use of the chronicle.


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« Reply #61 on: May 14, 2007, 10:38:32 am »
I don't know- for 50 cents a homeless guy could clean out the newspaper box and have blankets and pillows for the ngiht. That might be about the best/most appropriate use of the chronicle.
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« Reply #62 on: May 14, 2007, 10:40:13 am »
"perhaps even Barry Bonds & Jesse Jackson"? 

Holy crap.  Wow.
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« Reply #63 on: May 14, 2007, 10:41:03 am »
Huh, only recently heard about Craig's list, but does that also have job listings?
And Thrifty nickle has been around for years, but I have never seen them as "killing" a paper's version.  But then I have not read either one in about 10 years.

It's the rate of growth in advertising online that is attracting attention and investors.  Here's the kind of thing I've been reading on this topic, Link 

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« Reply #64 on: May 14, 2007, 10:41:47 am »
I don't know- for 50 cents a homeless guy could clean out the newspaper box and have blankets and pillows for the ngiht. That might be about the best/most appropriate use of the chronicle.



Chronicle, yes.  All local papers? No.

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« Reply #65 on: May 14, 2007, 10:43:20 am »
"perhaps even Barry Bonds & Jesse Jackson"? 

Holy crap.  Wow.

my thoughts exactly.   Then he can hide behind them, instead of the make beleive people that are emailing him "the question."
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« Reply #66 on: May 14, 2007, 10:43:27 am »
"Maybe this will create a dialogue"

Unbelievable.

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« Reply #67 on: May 14, 2007, 10:56:42 am »
Chronicle, yes.  All local papers? No.

Sorry- I thought that was implied about the chronicle.

Now that I found rottentomatoes.com I don't even get the newspaper anymore on saturday/sunday to check for movie listings.

The only time I get the paper now is on saturday morning's for the TV listings on college football games. There are so many different channels that show football games it is nice to have the tv listings for all 20 games and not have to toggle through the cable guide on my time warner and worry about missing a mountain west tilt on verses or something like that.


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« Reply #68 on: May 14, 2007, 10:59:47 am »
Sorry- I thought that was implied about the chronicle.

Now that I found rottentomatoes.com I don't even get the newspaper anymore on saturday/sunday to check for movie listings.

The only time I get the paper now is on saturday morning's for the TV listings on college football games. There are so many different channels that show football games it is nice to have the tv listings for all 20 games and not have to toggle through the cable guide on my time warner and worry about missing a mountain west tilt on verses or something like that.



And a majority of people get all their news from TV.  And have now for many years.

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« Reply #69 on: May 14, 2007, 11:05:33 am »
And a majority of people get all their news from TV.  And have now for many years.

I get most of my news from internet blogs. Not the bloggers/posters opinions, but links to stories that are interesting/topical on other sites. I have little to no use for most of the "news" that they show on regular or cable tv.  There isn't much information reporting/ more like opinion screaming on Cable. Network is incredibly slanted, imo


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« Reply #70 on: May 14, 2007, 11:13:01 am »
I've had a series of email exchanges with Whoriz about his race-baiting bullshit and his flimsy, cowardly "some people say" argument. The guy consistently accuses the Astros of making personnel decisions on the basis of race but doesn't have the stones to say it himself. No, see, he's not saying they're racists, he just asking the question "some people" are talking about.

I'd love to see Scrap Iron go Charlie Manuel on the little shitbird.

funny you mention that--i had the same question and answer session with him via email.  claims that people "all the time" ask him about the race issue.  my initial email come first in italics, his BS response follows, and my response back (still unanswered), follows in italics.


alot of other teams passed on Young, just like every team, every year passes on a hometown product those residents want to see play for the local team. the Astros took Troy Patton a few years ago, have Matt Albers on their major league roster now, and took Greg Buchanan last year in the amateur draft. the fact that you made it about Young's race, like he is the first black athlete to drop past his hometown team, is reprehensible.


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I wouldn't mention it if it wasn't an issue that fans bring up to me all the time. Maybe if we discuss it we'll figure out what the problem is.

Here is an e-mail I received just seconds ago:
Your column in today's paper hit the mark again....the Astros clearly don't follow local Black talent.....and when you consider the other guys they have run off like Willy T,Mosies Alou,Preston Wilson and many more, it makes Black people feel that they just don't want us around.

once again, you just can't deny the fact the Astros have been one of the most successful franchises over the last 15 years, and you can't do that if you don't have a strong farm system.  while their system is probably rated more near the bottom third than near the top where it used to be, it was built getting late round gems like Roy Oswalt in 23rd round and not drafting a player just because he is from Houston.  This sounds like the Tenn-10 debate from last year.

taveras and alou are latin, right?  they traded FOR alou and taveras.  last time i checked, abreu, johan santana, and richard hidalgo are all latin too.  their Venezuelan academy started years ago blazed the trail for other teams to foray into Latin American scouting.  in fact, the Astros gave Hidalgo one of the biggest contracts in franchise history to that point after his huge 44 home run year in 2000.  i didn't know you classified latin players as African American now.  didn't know if you caught they signed  a dark skinned player to the largest contract in franchise history in November, or that they traded for Tom Gordon a few years ago and signed an African American player (Stephen Randolph) in the offseason, and later promoted Randolph, albeit briefly, earlier this year.

i shouldn't really have to justify why the Astros chased off Preston Wilson off, or should i say Wilson's lackluster play chased him off.

-sans the first couple of weeks of the season, Wilson was a total zero, kind of like Jason Lane and Morgan Ensberg are now.  I wanted Wilson gone last year and want Ensberg and Lane gone this year.   Not because of the color of their skin,  but because they are total non-factors between the lines, after having been given chance upon chance to prove themsleves, each time failing.
-Charlton Jimerson never could progress substantially above AA because of his huge strikeout totals. 
-Glen Barker was given a chance to at least be a defensive replacement and pinch runner after coming over as a Rule 5 draftee, but he could barely do that right.  If African American fans want to fault the Astros for making an effort to sign a player and give him a fat spot in the lineup behind Berkman and in front of Ensberg (coming off a 36 HR season) they have a very short sided view of player development. 
-Taveras was almost a total non-factor last year.  Does just your speed and defensive ability give you a starting spot at the top of the lineup especially when you bat either directly before or after a declining Craig Biggio?  That gives your run producers almost nothing to work with.  Did I say they acquired another Latin player in the deal that moved Taveras to Colorado in Miguel Asencio?

The same goes with drafting and letting a player clog up a spot for a clearly superior player just because of the color of their skin.  Jimerson was a lead weight that was just going to keep guys like Josh Anderson on the bench when their ceiling is clearly higher.


i didnt even mention Daryle Ward, who turned into a somewhat slappy when expected to put up substantial power numbers.
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« Reply #71 on: May 14, 2007, 11:14:40 am »
For the record, Baseball America recently ran a piece on Young that goes into why he dropped in the draft. It's subscriber-only, but the gist of it is that he wasn't even a starter in high school til his senior year, and then broke his arm in a collision three days before the draft.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/majors/features/263719.html
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« Reply #72 on: May 14, 2007, 11:17:32 am »
I get most of my news from internet blogs. Not the bloggers/posters opinions, but links to stories that are interesting/topical on other sites. I have little to no use for most of the "news" that they show on regular or cable tv.  There isn't much information reporting/ more like opinion screaming on Cable. Network is incredibly slanted, imo



As of the last PEW survey, 25% of people who care about the news got at least some of their information from the Web.  http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=319

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« Reply #73 on: May 14, 2007, 11:17:45 am »
The Daily Show did a great takedown of Faux News for doing this:  making a radical and possibly insulting statement, putting a question mark on the end and calling it journalism.  The "some people say" thing is rampant on TV news of all flavours.  It's the refuge of a weak mind and a weak spine.


Yeah, my comment to his blog was cribbed word for word from that brilliant TDS takedown. I wrote:

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Man, you guys bashing Jose just don't get it!
 
Jose isn't SAYING the Astros are a bunch of closet racists, he's just ASKING!
 
Like, I mean, is Jose's mother a whore? Wait, hear me out. I'm not SAYING she's a whore, I'm just wondering out loud on this here blog if she's, um, a whore. All I'm saying is that reasonable people who've sexed his mother for money can disagree. Let's be clear, because I don't want to give anyone the impression that I think she is. I'm just asking a question a lot of people in Houston are talking about.
 
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He posted my comment, but he edited out everything but the first two lines. My comment as it appeared on his blog:

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Man, you guys bashing Jose just don't get it!

Jose isn't SAYING the Astros are a bunch of closet racists, he's just ASKING!

(As I said to the poor guy a few weeks ago, we cannot allow anybody to bring up anybody's mothers. JJO)

(w/ apologies to Jon Stewart)

Editing my comment to make it mean the exact opposite of what I clearly intended really pissed me off. I fired off a scathing email to him calling out his lack of professionalism. If the guy can't even accurately represent the reader comments to his blog, why should anyone take his work product seriously?

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« Reply #74 on: May 14, 2007, 11:23:49 am »
...i didnt even mention Daryle Ward, who turned into a somewhat slappy when expected to put up substantial power numbers.

The Astros sent mixed signals to Ward about what kind of hitter they wanted him to be.  They complained alternately about his average and then his power numbers.  He's a good example of a player the Astros traded to give him a new start.

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« Reply #75 on: May 14, 2007, 11:37:19 am »
For the record, Baseball America recently ran a piece on Young that goes into why he dropped in the draft. It's subscriber-only, but the gist of it is that he wasn't even a starter in high school til his senior year, and then broke his arm in a collision three days before the draft.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/majors/features/263719.html

The Astros have a bias against black high school players.  That is a FACT.

Of course, they also have a bias against white high school players.  They also have a bias against green high school players.  Purple ones, yellow ones, cerulean ones as well.

The Astros rarely draft high school players (it helps if you dad is a HOF pitcher teetering on the edge of retirement).  I haven't checked but I'd wager no more than 15-20% of first day picks are highschoolers.
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« Reply #76 on: May 14, 2007, 11:40:42 am »
Editing my comment to make it mean the exact opposite of what I clearly intended really pissed me off. I fired off a scathing email to him calling out his lack of professionalism. If the guy can't even accurately represent the reader comments to his blog, why should anyone take his work product seriously?

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« Reply #77 on: May 14, 2007, 11:51:51 am »
FYI Jamaal Hollis (25th rd) and Lennell McGee (26th rd) are both black high school players from the Chicago area drafted by the Astros in 2006.

The Astros drafted high school SS Tim Johnson (7th rd) and TSU pitcher Brandon Stricklen (42nd rd) in the 2005 draft.

Jonny Ash in 2004.....

No matter how many examples there are that undercut such a ludicrous claim, the Astros are racists for not drafting Carl Crawford.

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« Reply #78 on: May 14, 2007, 11:53:12 am »
FYI Jamaal Hollis (25th rd) and Lennell McGee (26th rd) are both black high school players from the Chicago area drafted by the Astros in 2006.

The Astros drafted high school SS Tim Johnson (7th rd) and TSU pitcher Brandon Stricklen (42nd rd) in the 2005 draft.

Jonny Ash in 2004.....

No matter how many examples there are that undercut such a ludicrous claim, the Astros are racists for not drafting Carl Crawford.

Tim Johnson?  How is he a high schooler. Wasn't he in Vietnam?


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« Reply #79 on: May 14, 2007, 11:54:47 am »
For the record, Baseball America recently ran a piece on Young that goes into why he dropped in the draft. It's subscriber-only, but the gist of it is that he wasn't even a starter in high school til his senior year, and then broke his arm in a collision three days before the draft.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/majors/features/263719.html

Hey, stop that!  Quit doing a reasonable amount of research to answer what some have asked a legit reporter to answer for them: why did the Astros not even call Young or pass on him during the draft (like the other major league teams did).  Are you saying it is that *easy* to just research to find a reasonable answer these days?  Get out of town!  Hmmmm... isn't it better to forego research though and make a story out of a non-story instead?  And manage to place yourself in the very middle of the story as well?

It is an insult to the Black Community to have a race-baiter to fan the flames and stir the emotions of said community because he thinks they cannot handle information, instead they must hear the words "racism" at every turn.  We're managing to go backwards in this dialogue that everyone seeks because it seems that those who want to be champions on this cause actually are thinking very little or in low regard of the fine people they protent to look after.

I'm sure those who sincerely asked the question wouldn't mind a reasonable answer like this that is easily found in Baseball America.  Yes, I'm very sure of it.  I know I would be offended if someone said I was incapable of reading stats because I am a Hispanic and that the view is held by the owner of the Houston Astros... so why not tell the Black Community the answer that is available instead of hiding it and saying "yes, you're right... it's a systematic problem... I need to ask them to answer this charge... yes, you can't handle a simple answer, you're incapable of it so I won't bother to research the real reasons... I'll make it into an agenda for you... and blame you for asking too once everything is settled."

Man, this is seriously whack.

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« Reply #80 on: May 14, 2007, 12:27:34 pm »
On the subject of black high school prospects from the Houston area, have any of you seen Lamar HS outfielder Eric Eiland play? I believe he's ranked by Baseball America as one of the top position prospects in the nation.

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« Reply #81 on: May 14, 2007, 01:29:25 pm »
Hey, stop that!  Quit doing a reasonable amount of research to answer what some have asked a legit reporter to answer for them: why did the Astros not even call Young or pass on him during the draft (like the other major league teams did).  Are you saying it is that *easy* to just research to find a reasonable answer these days?  Get out of town!  Hmmmm... isn't it better to forego research though and make a story out of a non-story instead?  And manage to place yourself in the very middle of the story as well?

It is an insult to the Black Community to have a race-baiter to fan the flames and stir the emotions of said community because he thinks they cannot handle information, instead they must hear the words "racism" at every turn.  We're managing to go backwards in this dialogue that everyone seeks because it seems that those who want to be champions on this cause actually are thinking very little or in low regard of the fine people they protent to look after.

I'm sure those who sincerely asked the question wouldn't mind a reasonable answer like this that is easily found in Baseball America.  Yes, I'm very sure of it.  I know I would be offended if someone said I was incapable of reading stats because I am a Hispanic and that the view is held by the owner of the Houston Astros... so why not tell the Black Community the answer that is available instead of hiding it and saying "yes, you're right... it's a systematic problem... I need to ask them to answer this charge... yes, you can't handle a simple answer, you're incapable of it so I won't bother to research the real reasons... I'll make it into an agenda for you... and blame you for asking too once everything is settled."

Man, this is seriously whack.

Nice well thought out post NOE.

Unfortunately, in this country today, we cannot have an open and honest race conversation without smarmy little pricks like jdjo interjecting themselves and their agenda into it.  I don't get it, maybe b/c I'm white, but it seems to me like the leaders of the black community do a disservice to race relations in this country with the way they pander to the lowest common denominator.  I'm not saying there isn't racism in this country- I absolutely believe that there is.  What I'm saying is that when the community leaders cry racism everywhere, even when there is none- it does nothing to advance the constituency they are trying to advance.

Sports have the least amount of racism anywhere, in my opinion. There is not a greater meritocracy anywhere that exists, in my mind, then the diamond, gridiron or court.  If you can play they will find you. If someone ignores talent b/c of prejudice they will lose, lose badly, be exposed and fail. None of those owners want to fail with their teams.
They are ego boosts, not profit centers. Almost every owner is in it to win it. They aren't ignoring talent b/c it has the wrong skin color attached to it.

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« Reply #82 on: May 14, 2007, 01:57:01 pm »
Sports have the least amount of racism anywhere, in my opinion. There is not a greater meritocracy anywhere that exists, in my mind, then the diamond, gridiron or court.  If you can play they will find you. If someone ignores talent b/c of prejudice they will lose, lose badly, be exposed and fail. None of those owners want to fail with their teams.

I'm guessing MLB organizations are far more prejudiced against short RHPs than they are against African Americans.  Where's JJO's outrage on behalf of his midget brethren?  ::)

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Nice well thought out post NOE.

Unfortunately, in this country today, we cannot have an open and honest race conversation without smarmy little pricks like jdjo interjecting themselves and their agenda into it.  I don't get it, maybe b/c I'm white, but it seems to me like the leaders of the black community do a disservice to race relations in this country with the way they pander to the lowest common denominator.  I'm not saying there isn't racism in this country- I absolutely believe that there is.  What I'm saying is that when the community leaders cry racism everywhere, even when there is none- it does nothing to advance the constituency they are trying to advance.

Sports have the least amount of racism anywhere, in my opinion. There is not a greater meritocracy anywhere that exists, in my mind, then the diamond, gridiron or court.  If you can play they will find you. If someone ignores talent b/c of prejudice they will lose, lose badly, be exposed and fail. None of those owners want to fail with their teams.
They are ego boosts, not profit centers. Almost every owner is in it to win it. They aren't ignoring talent b/c it has the wrong skin color attached to it.

Shame on that smarmy prick JDJO.  Shame



I believe, since no *actual* Black Community leaders have stepped up publically to make this a public forum issue, that none really exist.  This is JdJO's own agenda and he's using the e-mail he recieves from some fans who probably honestly want to know why the Astros passed on Chris Young, since he's in their backyard.  It is now twisted into a pretzel of an issue in the name of honest dialogue.  Well, truth be told, the Black Community leaders in Houston have some issues with McLane but they were economic in scope... not racial.  They wanted to know from McLane if he intended to bring the Black Community into the fold of the economic development boon that was to happen when the stadiums were being built.  Those were legitimate concerns by the leaders of said community and they did this all by themselves without the help of JdJO.  The Houston Chronicle did it's job in that it *covered* the story about the Black Community leaders want for economic inclusion by McLane.  But there is a huge... I mean *HUGE* difference between covering a story and being *THE* story.  One you actually remain unbiased about and report the facts.  The other, you raise your own agenda in order to draw attention to yourself.

These Chron blogs have done more to draw attention to the actual writer than to the stories they may be wanting to cover.  It is what it is, but they (the Chron) shouldn't include the community leaders into a discussion like this after the fact.  It is insulting to a leader to think that someone in the newspaper industry thinks this lowly of them that he can just say "racism" and that will automatically trigger the reaction necessary to stir up a whirlwind story.  People who are true leaders will not fall for that, just like in the Telemundo flap when the Chron and Telemundo did the same thing.  Leaders in the Hispanic community called for calm and reasonable people to dialogue about this thing before the tar and feather job got out of hand.  This is while Lopez at the Chron was stirring up the masses with his "if it walks like a Duck..." comments and then the Hispanic radio stations in town decided that they could spare some time away from Tejano Music in order to do the same.  They even had a game they invented that was supposed to be a mock "pin the tail on the donkey McLane" they played all day Friday in a sign of protest over what they believe was an actual true story.  By Saturday, the story went National with guys like Aldante (?) in LA writing about it as if it really happened.

By Monday following, the truth came out and McLane was absolved, forcing Telemundo's CEO to issue a public apology for his employee Marco Camacho's behavior.  All the while, community leaders in the Hispanic community, like Al Lopez kept saying to everyone to let this story play out.  So Al Lopez was right and the media frenzy was absolutely wrong.  A little research by the local and national media that went crazy for two days on McLane would've revealed that Camacho had done the same thing only a few short months earlier when he accused the Houston Livestock and Rodeo about the same thing.  The Rodeo people accused Camacho back of grandstanding in order to garner attention to himself and his station to boost ratings and that there was absolutely no substance to his accusations.  The only media to cover the story of Camacho's grandstand ploy was the Houston Press.  A little fact finding by the media who went crazy over Telemundo-gate would've revealed the character flaws of the main accuser in this he said/she said accusation.

And only Telemundo issued an apology too.

So if we are to have Chris Young-gate, the sequel to Chronicle goes wild with accusations of racism towards the Astros, then let's do it.  I mean, be a man and do it or shut the fuck up about it.  Because it seems from here that this is a ploy to stir up some good folks in the Black Community and then leave them hanging with a less than strong accusation against the Astros.  In fact, only those who are prone to use these sort of things to gain camera time (*cough* Jesse Jackson *cough*) will truly care.  I'm convince the same way Al Lopez called for rationale and calm behavior from the actual community, the leaders of the Black Community will do the same if push came to shove.

Thing is, will JdJO be man enough to say he wants to push or run away like that kid we all knew in the neighborhood who would kick other kids in the shins and then run and hide behind his mother's apron.

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« Reply #84 on: May 14, 2007, 03:37:03 pm »
I believe, since no *actual* Black Community leaders have stepped up publically to make this a public forum issue, that none really exist.  This is JdJO's own agenda and he's using the e-mail he recieves from some fans who probably honestly want to know why the Astros passed on Chris Young, since he's in their backyard.  It is now twisted into a pretzel of an issue in the name of honest dialogue.  Well, truth be told, the Black Community leaders in Houston have some issues with McLane but they were economic in scope... not racial.  They wanted to know from McLane if he intended to bring the Black Community into the fold of the economic development boon that was to happen when the stadiums were being built.  Those were legitimate concerns by the leaders of said community and they did this all by themselves without the help of JdJO.  The Houston Chronicle did it's job in that it *covered* the story about the Black Community leaders want for economic inclusion by McLane.  But there is a huge... I mean *HUGE* difference between covering a story and being *THE* story.  One you actually remain unbiased about and report the facts.  The other, you raise your own agenda in order to draw attention to yourself.

These Chron blogs have done more to draw attention to the actual writer than to the stories they may be wanting to cover.  It is what it is, but they (the Chron) shouldn't include the community leaders into a discussion like this after the fact.  It is insulting to a leader to think that someone in the newspaper industry thinks this lowly of them that he can just say "racism" and that will automatically trigger the reaction necessary to stir up a whirlwind story.  People who are true leaders will not fall for that, just like in the Telemundo flap when the Chron and Telemundo did the same thing.  Leaders in the Hispanic community called for calm and reasonable people to dialogue about this thing before the tar and feather job got out of hand.  This is while Lopez at the Chron was stirring up the masses with his "if it walks like a Duck..." comments and then the Hispanic radio stations in town decided that they could spare some time away from Tejano Music in order to do the same.  They even had a game they invented that was supposed to be a mock "pin the tail on the donkey McLane" they played all day Friday in a sign of protest over what they believe was an actual true story.  By Saturday, the story went National with guys like Aldante (?) in LA writing about it as if it really happened.

By Monday following, the truth came out and McLane was absolved, forcing Telemundo's CEO to issue a public apology for his employee Marco Camacho's behavior.  All the while, community leaders in the Hispanic community, like Al Lopez kept saying to everyone to let this story play out.  So Al Lopez was right and the media frenzy was absolutely wrong.  A little research by the local and national media that went crazy for two days on McLane would've revealed that Camacho had done the same thing only a few short months earlier when he accused the Houston Livestock and Rodeo about the same thing.  The Rodeo people accused Camacho back of grandstanding in order to garner attention to himself and his station to boost ratings and that there was absolutely no substance to his accusations.  The only media to cover the story of Camacho's grandstand ploy was the Houston Press.  A little fact finding by the media who went crazy over Telemundo-gate would've revealed the character flaws of the main accuser in this he said/she said accusation.

And only Telemundo issued an apology too.

So if we are to have Chris Young-gate, the sequel to Chronicle goes wild with accusations of racism towards the Astros, then let's do it.  I mean, be a man and do it or shut the fuck up about it.  Because it seems from here that this is a ploy to stir up some good folks in the Black Community and then leave them hanging with a less than strong accusation against the Astros.  In fact, only those who are prone to use these sort of things to gain camera time (*cough* Jesse Jackson *cough*) will truly care.  I'm convince the same way Al Lopez called for rationale and calm behavior from the actual community, the leaders of the Black Community will do the same if push came to shove.

Thing is, will JdJO be man enough to say he wants to push or run away like that kid we all knew in the neighborhood who would kick other kids in the shins and then run and hide behind his mother's apron.

Noe- didn't get a chance to finish reading all of this. I know the Rainbow coalition was in ATL demanding answers as to why they didn't have nay AA players. It is an issue in that sense with black leadership- will read the rest after my meeting.


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« Reply #85 on: May 14, 2007, 03:40:10 pm »
Noe- didn't get a chance to finish reading all of this. I know the Rainbow coalition was in ATL demanding answers as to why they didn't have nay AA players. It is an issue in that sense with black leadership- will read the rest after my meeting.



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« Reply #86 on: May 14, 2007, 04:01:44 pm »
Noe- didn't get a chance to finish reading all of this. I know the Rainbow coalition was in ATL demanding answers as to why they didn't have nay AA players. It is an issue in that sense with black leadership- will read the rest after my meeting.

is the RC heading to the NBA next to demand more Anglo players?
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« Reply #87 on: May 14, 2007, 04:21:40 pm »
Noe-

I've heard the Telemundo thing referenced several times lately- mostly by you.

I was in law school in Misery at the time- can you give me a primer on the story/controversy/grandstanding.

I hope that the AA leadership and rank and file blacks see through this race baiting twat. 

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« Reply #88 on: May 14, 2007, 04:28:51 pm »
Noe-

I've heard the Telemundo thing referenced several times lately- mostly by you.

I was in law school in Misery at the time- can you give me a primer on the story/controversy/grandstanding.

I hope that the AA leadership and rank and file blacks see through this race baiting twat. 

I did already.

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« Reply #89 on: May 14, 2007, 05:06:09 pm »
Noe-

I've heard the Telemundo thing referenced several times lately- mostly by you.

I was in law school in Misery at the time- can you give me a primer on the story/controversy/grandstanding.

I hope that the AA leadership and rank and file blacks see through this race baiting twat. 

Briefly...

Local Telemundo dude--McLane says Hispanics aren't smart enough to understand the nuances of baseball

Mclane--I said no such thing

John Lopez--shame on mcLane, the racist

National Media--McLane thinks hispanics are dumb

McLane--I didn't say it

CEO of Telemundo--I apoligize to McLane, as I have no evidence he said such a thing

Lopez/National Media--   
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« Reply #90 on: May 14, 2007, 05:11:16 pm »
I'm definitely part of the 35%.  The morning paper has been part of my routine since I was 4.  I can't imagine getting moving without a glance at the sports page, no matter how bad I know it is.
me too. guess it gives me something to yell at.

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Brian_McTaggart: I disagree. I find it hard to believe the team would go into a draft thinking about race. It's far-fetched.
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« Reply #91 on: May 14, 2007, 05:13:36 pm »
Briefly...

Local Telemundo dude--McLane says Hispanics aren't smart enough to understand the nuances of baseball

Mclane--I said no such thing

John Lopez--shame on mcLane, the racist

National Media--McLane thinks hispanics are dumb

McLane--I didn't say it

CEO of Telemundo--I apoligize to McLane, as I have no evidence he said such a thing

Lopez/National Media--   


Thanks. Incredible fuckwittedness by Lopez. I've come to expect it from him


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Thanks. Incredible fuckwittedness by Lopez. I've come to expect it from him



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« Reply #93 on: May 15, 2007, 06:26:48 am »
Do the Astros hate Cows? There isn't one bovine on their roster, they've never drafted one either. One has to ask the question.
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« Reply #94 on: May 15, 2007, 08:56:29 am »
Do the Astros hate Cows? There isn't one bovine on their roster, they've never drafted one either. One has to ask the question.

Dude, there are cows all over the freaking foul poles.
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« Reply #95 on: May 15, 2007, 09:30:43 am »
I laughed at Brian McTaggart's latest Chron article entitled, "It's too early for Round Rock's Moore to panic".

Regardless of this sentence that he wrote, "The Class AAA Express are just two games behind first-place Oklahoma in the Pacific Coast League's American South division" (2 games out in mid-May, wow, panic time), who the hell panics about minor league standings?  I go to 15 or so Express games a year, and I could care less about the standings.  I want to see players and how they are doing. 

If the minor league teams finish last but the Astros win the World Series, I'll be happy.

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« Reply #96 on: May 15, 2007, 09:51:50 am »
Do the Astros hate Cows? There isn't one bovine on their roster, they've never drafted one either. One has to ask the question.

The organization really soured on all cloven-hoofed mammals after early dealings with the Hendricks and subsequent Boras discussions.
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« Reply #97 on: May 15, 2007, 10:45:18 am »
Time to pile on the Chron...Another silly blog this time by Jerome Solomon who wants everyone who boos Barry Bonds to boo other steroid cheats just as hard, with the same intensity.

Nevermind that Bonds is the biggest baseball star in the last 50 years.  Nevermind the multiple MVPs, the 73 HRs, the Ted Williams/Babe Ruth type numbers.  No, good ol' Jerome want us to treat Barry equally. 

Hey douchebag, there are certain absolutes in this life and one of them is people aren't treated equally.  Especially on sports teams.  The star pitcher gets the media spot light and the 25th man is virtually ignored.  Quarterbacks get too much credit for victories, and too much blame for losses.  Yao Ming puts up 25 points and 10 boards but is a stiff because the rest of the team (outside of TMAC) is garbage.

He goes on to mention Big Mac and andro then plays the "Bagwell tried Andro" card.  Of course, he fails to mention that Big Mac took Andro (and other things) while Bagwell on the record said he quit taking Andro soon after starting because it didn't do anything for him.

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Time to pile on the Chron...Another silly blog this time by Jerome Solomon who wants everyone who boos Barry Bonds to boo other steroid cheats just as hard, with the same intensity.

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« Reply #99 on: May 15, 2007, 10:54:12 am »
He goes on to mention Big Mac and andro then plays the "Bagwell tried Andro" card.  Of course, he fails to mention that Big Mac took Andro (and other things) while Bagwell on the record said he quit taking Andro soon after starting because it didn't do anything for him.

Some BFiBs believe the Andro that was "discovered" in McTweet's locker by the press, was actually planted there for them to find, as a distraction from the fact that he was juicing.  I have no idea how true this is, but given Ronald's behaviour before, during and after the Andro "scandal", it seems difficult to believe that his performance was enhanced by taking an over-the-counter supplement.
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« Reply #100 on: May 15, 2007, 10:54:59 am »
This is JdJO's own agenda and he's using the e-mail he recieves from some fans who probably honestly want to know why the Astros passed on Chris Young, since he's in their backyard. 

Perhaps the Astros have no advantage with players in their own backyard because a) the draft is a crapshoot, b) the Astros (or any team) rarely make geographically based decisions when drafting and c) the Chronicle's High School Baseball coverage is horrible.