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The Return of the Good Guys' Power?
« on: May 07, 2007, 01:55:07 pm »
Seems to me that in the dissection of lineup construction, defensive alignments, who should play and where and in what position of the lineup, that the missing ingredient of the "power" game has gone just below the radar.  There is so much noise surrounding the Houston Astros that it is hard to weed out the simple reasons for a lack of success by the Good Guys.  BTW - now I know why the marketing department chose "The Return of the Good Guys" as the 2007 slogan.  They knew Pettitte and Clemens would not be back!  As MRaup has in his sig "2007 - The Return of the Good Guys!  So long to the rat bastards!"... but I digress.

Any way, the failure of Burke, the call up of Pence, the chase by Biggio, the MoBerg experiment, the Mark Loretta bench spot, the sending down of Eric Bruntlett, the Lee horse antics... all have kept us entertained, amused and preplexed all at the same time.  Blogs and blogs of bandwidth have been given over to these exhausted and tiresome topics, but has any of it really touched on the reason we're seeing a talented team like the Houston Astros at slightly below .500?  Some might be touchpoints for good analysis of "what needs fixin'" I'm sure.  But the thing that is starting to stand out for me most is the lack of a power game so far.  It is preplexing and somewhat surprising given how much I really thought they had in terms of fireworks in this lineup.  I don't really know why this team doesn't produce more power, and not just homeruns mind you, but gap to gap power and overall just some nasty slugging percentages in the middle of the lineup.

MoBerg decides he really likes being a walking machine and that the top of the lineup suits him best.  This is a guy who was pencilled in at #5 this offseason and it was hoped he'd provide 25 or more homeruns.  I don't think he'll do that at his current approach to hitting indicates.  Luke Scott has been equally dissapointing, proving his hot/cold streak is an earned reputation.  But what I see from Luke so far is that he isn't really going to provide much in terms of power like his once promise said he would in the minors.  There was a time you could go to the Dell Diamond any night of the week and Luke would be launching one over the fence.  Lee?  Seems the thinking with him is that he fell in love with the Crawford Boxes and altered his swing to match his attempts to take advantage of it.  Lee actually leads the league in RBI, but where is the power in this man's game?  With a little more oomph, this guy wouldn't just be leading the league, he'd be chasing after the league record for RBIs in a season!  You can see a monster ready to break out, but come on now, break out already and get some pills over that fence!  Hunter Pence?  Look, I know the talk is pretty much that you're in love with the guy or hate him and that is just not fair to anyone who decides to talk honestly about him.  Pence is a nice player, but right now, he's a very average player and in some sense a below average player who perhaps will get better.  But the Astros can't really be seriously thinking they can afford to make a minor leaguer go from slighty below average to average for a season and think that is a good tradeoff right now, can they?  They need a CF who can hit with some power and play solid defense if they're really serious about their need right now.  And said player has to provide power to this lineup as well.  Is that Pence?  It's going to take perhaps a season or two for them to realize that from him unfortunately, unless something clicks in and Gunther just absolutely figures out the majors and starts to swing a seriously mean bat.  I'd say that by Memorial Day, they'll know what they can reasonably expect from Pence this year and leave it at that.  So that leaves Lance Berkman.

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Lance Berkman, hitless in his first three at-bats until he logged an eighth-inning single, took responsibility for his part. He also wondered if the Astros had the "right combination," lineup-wise.

"I don't know if it's the composition of the lineup ... the individual parts of our lineup look pretty good," he said. "We just haven't found the right combination. We've had some good games, but we haven't been consistent.

"I'm certainly to blame for that. We haven't been hitting many home runs. We're going to have to hit a few to have a consistent offense."

Funny how simple this game can be broken down and yet how complicated the answer is to implement.  Why is Lance having a seriously off season?  Last year, even with an out of whack offense, Berkman still had MVP consideration numbers, so what can possibly be the problem?  Pitchers are not pitching to him any more?  I'm not sure that Berkman isn't getting anything to hit.  I've watched for awhile and Berkman just seems lost to me while hitting left handed.  His swing isn't long, nor is he bailing out or has a broken swing (mechanics are off).  He's just missing the ball, as if the bat has a huge hole in the middle and ball sails right through it into the catcher's mitt.  Balls that Lance usually launches into the right field seats are now either missed or Lance is beating into the ground harmlessly to a second or first baseman.  I just don't know why Lance isn't hitting and hitting for more power as it were.  I really don't.  Everything seems to be alright, it's just not there yet.  But is time the healer that will make this all better for Lance?  I sure hope so, else this is going to be a very long season of trying to figure out why this team doesn't win more games.

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Re: The Return of the Good Guys' Power?
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2007, 02:01:39 pm »
i still believe in Scott's potential.
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Re: The Return of the Good Guys' Power?
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2007, 02:03:40 pm »
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He's just missing the ball, as if the bat has a huge hole in the middle and ball sails right through it into the catcher's mitt.  Balls that Lance usually launches into the right field seats are now either missed or Lance is beating into the ground harmlessly to a second or first baseman.

This is what I've noticed, too. It seems like nearly every AB there's a pitch that goes through the heart of the zone, and I expect to see it get tatooed. But it's a swing and a miss, or a foul ball, or a harmless ground ball. The Lance of old would have punished those pitches. Here's hoping he returns soon.
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Re: The Return of the Good Guys' Power?
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2007, 02:06:24 pm »
Bidge has the 2nd highest slugging percentages of regulars on the team. That cannot keep up if the good guys want to make any kind of run at the post season.


I have no idea where all the power has gone. Even guys like adam everett- who had like 4o or 50 extra base hits a couple years ago aren't doing it. It is a real head scratcher.


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Re: The Return of the Good Guys' Power?
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2007, 02:08:38 pm »
i still believe in Scott's potential.

Do you think the elbow injury earlier this season is still affecting his swing?  The first week of the season, he was swinging the bat with authority.  Then after the elbow injury, he was much more tentative.
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Re: The Return of the Good Guys' Power?
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2007, 02:08:43 pm »
This is what I've noticed, too. It seems like nearly every AB there's a pitch that goes through the heart of the zone, and I expect to see it get tatooed. But it's a swing and a miss, or a foul ball, or a harmless ground ball. The Lance of old would have punished those pitches. Here's hoping he returns soon.

This team is not in bad shape....yet (just a few games under).  Have to get more production from the middle.  stros are getting plenty of hits (singles), just not putting them together (or getting multi base hits).  Would love to start a series with a win for a change.

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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2007, 02:09:53 pm »
i still believe in Scott's potential.

I see some serious misgivings on his power, but he has shown in both the high minors and in the majors that if he gets hot, he's going to hit for power and high average.  He's just off right now and it's as if he isn't really seeing the ball well.  Funny to say that when it is Scott who has, along with Lee, been the most productive run producers in this lineup.

If a cold slap in the face would be the remedy, this is how I'd line them up to come get some:

1. Lance Berkman (I'd slap him twice and then tell him to get back at the end of the line so he can get some more later)
2. Morgan Ensberg (One slap, but it would be a good one, the type that would make his eyeballs roll around like a Vegas slot machine.  I'd say to him "snap out of it fool, you're a middle of the lineup guy, now freaking go out and act like one and swing the bat!  Damn waste of a player if you dont!"
3. Luke Scott (a tap, with a little advice "Dude, you're in the majors now and starting... be happy and go out and play ball!")
4. Carlos Lee (a tap, with this advice "Put the damn stick horse in a warehouse and never break out that abomination again... the BBGs are not happy with you!")
5. Hunter Pence (no slap at all, but this "As long as you're here, keep busting your butt to help the team win with simple little things like hitting the cut off man, et. al.  Don't think you're the savior because you're not.")

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Re: The Return of the Good Guys' Power?
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2007, 02:11:33 pm »
"I don't really know why this team doesn't produce more power, and not just homeruns mind you, but gap to gap power and overall just some nasty slugging percentages in the middle of the lineup."

I have no worries about Berkman; he'll be fine.  Lee should do fine, too.

There is a lot riding on Ensberg and Scott, obviously, and so far they haven't responded.  I think expectations need to be tempered with Pence, but that's ok.   The farm system needs to produce a quality everyday player and recent prime examples (Lane, Burke) haven't done that.  We've got to trust the player development guys and give people a realistic shot.  We didn't do that with Scott to start the season last year, and didn't do it with Burke this year.  That's frustrating.  

The Biggio situation is/has clearly tied our hands but can't be addressed this season.  Everyone should remember that Loretta's power is almost nonexistent.  He hits for a good average and he has not played SS on an everyday basis.  He's a good player, but no offensive savior.

The problem with the Astros offense is and been for the past three season that in addition to an aging Biggio, Ausmus and Everett are two of the worst offensive players in baseball and we start both of them.   Our offense has and will continue to be among the worst in the league unless we: Resurrect Bagwell and Jeff Kent, move Berkman to the OF, and sign Beltran (a la '94); or make changes.  Talking about Loretta, Lamb, etc., doesn't change that fact.

The Astros were able to win between 82-88 games with a lousy offense the past two seasons due to outstanding pitching and a great bullpen.  We don't have that this season, our offense can't begin to compensate, and so we're struggling.

That's what I think.
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Re: The Return of the Good Guys' Power?
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2007, 02:13:09 pm »
"I don't really know why this team doesn't produce more power, and not just homeruns mind you, but gap to gap power and overall just some nasty slugging percentages in the middle of the lineup."

I have no worries about Berkman; he'll be fine.  Lee should do fine, too.

There is a lot riding on Ensberg and Scott, obviously, and so far they haven't responded.  I think expectations need to be tempered with Pence, but that's ok.   The farm system needs to produce a quality everyday player and recent prime examples (Lane, Burke) haven't done that.  We've got to trust the player development guys and give people a realistic shot.  We didn't do that with Scott to start the season last year, and didn't do it with Burke this year.  That's frustrating.  

The Biggio situation is/has clearly tied our hands but can't be addressed this season.  Everyone should remember that Loretta's power is almost nonexistent.  He hits for a good average and he has not played SS on an everyday basis.  He's a good player, but no offensive savior.

The problem with the Astros offense is and been for the past three season that in addition to an aging Biggio, Ausmus and Everett are two of the worst offensive players in baseball and we start both of them.   Our offense has and will continue to be among the worst in the league unless we: Resurrect Bagwell and Jeff Kent, move Berkman to the OF, and sign Beltran (a la '94); or make changes.  Talking about Loretta, Lamb, etc., doesn't change that fact.

The Astros were able to win between 82-88 games with a lousy offense the past two seasons due to outstanding pitching and a great bullpen.  We don't have that this season, our offense can't begin to compensate, and so we're struggling.

That's what I think.

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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2007, 02:15:52 pm »
"I don't really know why this team doesn't produce more power, and not just homeruns mind you, but gap to gap power and overall just some nasty slugging percentages in the middle of the lineup."

I have no worries about Berkman; he'll be fine.  Lee should do fine, too.

There is a lot riding on Ensberg and Scott, obviously, and so far they haven't responded.  I think expectations need to be tempered with Pence, but that's ok.   The farm system needs to produce a quality everyday player and recent prime examples (Lane, Burke) haven't done that.  We've got to trust the player development guys and give people a realistic shot.  We didn't do that with Scott to start the season last year, and didn't do it with Burke this year.  That's frustrating.   

The Biggio situation is/has clearly tied our hands but can't be addressed this season.  Everyone should remember that Loretta's power is almost nonexistent.  He hits for a good average and he has not played SS on an everyday basis.  He's a good player, but no offensive savior.

The problem with the Astros offense is and been for the past three season that in addition to an aging Biggio, Ausmus and Everett are two of the worst offensive players in baseball and we start both of them.   Our offense has and will continue to be among the worst in the league unless we: Resurrect Bagwell and Jeff Kent, move Berkman to the OF, and sign Beltran (a la '94); or make changes.  Talking about Loretta, Lamb, etc., doesn't change that fact.

The Astros were able to win between 82-88 games with a lousy offense the past two seasons due to outstanding pitching and a great bullpen.  We don't have that this season, our offense can't begin to compensate, and so we're struggling.

That's what I think.

The problem is not the bottom nor the top of the order guys.  When someone talks about the middle of the lineup, you'd hardly expect someone to bring up Adam Everett, but congrats... you managed to make it yet again another example on how you just don't get it.

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Re: The Return of the Good Guys' Power?
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2007, 02:19:19 pm »
The problem is not the bottom nor the top of the order guys.  When someone talks about the middle of the lineup, you'd hardly expect someone to bring up Adam Everett, but congrats... you managed to make it yet again another example on how you just don't get it.

What I don't get is how we have one of the worst offenses in the NL again this season, start two of the worst offensive players in baseball, and some don't see a connection.
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Re: The Return of the Good Guys' Power?
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2007, 02:22:30 pm »
What I don't get is how we have one of the worst offenses in the NL again this season, start two of the worst offensive players in baseball, and some don't see a connection.

Because we have a twinkle toed power hitter that thinks he's a two hitter, a twinkle toed power hitter that is not hitting from his best side, and because of the lack of production from these two, a bright eyed twinkle toes CF that is not ready.  (names have been deleted to protect the guilty).

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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2007, 02:26:33 pm »
Just wasted some time looking this up, so here it is:

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2006
12th in runs, 13th in SLG

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13th in runs, 10th in SLG.

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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2007, 02:27:22 pm »
Not to get too far into it b/c I agree it's the big bats in the middle of the order that need to get it going- but Everett used to give you a little pop with his bat, when he hit safely. That seems to have disappeared when he went about a week and a half in between hits.  He produced some runs at the bottom of the lineup last year (60 ribbies) but not so much anything this year.  He ain't the problem, it is just symptomatic of up and down the lineup (except for bidge) everyone is giving less pop then should be expected of them.  The pop is more or less what bidge is about, and we've seen it, but nobody else is doing anything like could be expected of them (with the exception of Ausmus- who's slugging isn't up but BA is).


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Re: The Return of the Good Guys' Power?
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2007, 02:30:05 pm »
Just wasted some time looking this up, so here it is:

2005
11th in runs, 11th in SLG

2006
12th in runs, 13th in SLG

2007
13th in runs, 10th in SLG.

Didn't look at Minute Maid effects.

Now look at ERA (which is not all bad from starters).  And are you compairing the same amount of games for 05/06 with 07?  Luck also plays into the W/L record.

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« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2007, 02:31:11 pm »
What I don't get is how we have one of the worst offenses in the NL again this season, start two of the worst offensive players in baseball, and some don't see a connection.

Because Lance Berkman isn't doing his job, Luke Scott has been average, MoBerg has been bumped up to the 2 hole.  When you pay attention to the LOB stat, you'd see that the problem isn't the bottom of the lineup, but rather asking the bottom of the lineup to perform as if they were middle of the lineup.

You just don't understand a very simple concept and would rather stay on the pablum stuff about Adam Everett, the #7 hitter in the lineup.  Shame on you.

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« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2007, 02:31:27 pm »
If the middle of the order guys were driving in runs like they were supposed to, it wouldn't matter what Everett/Ausmus were doing to an extent.  I agree with that.
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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2007, 02:33:15 pm »
What I don't get is how we have one of the worst offenses in the NL again this season, start two of the worst offensive players in baseball, and some don't see a connection.

there is none. that you do not see the problem is amazing.
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« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2007, 02:34:43 pm »
Because Lance Berkman isn't doing his job, Luke Scott has been average, MoBerg has been bumped up to the 2 hole.  When you pay attention to the LOB stat, you'd see that the problem isn't the bottom of the lineup, but rather asking the bottom of the lineup to perform as if they were middle of the lineup.

You just don't understand a very simple concept and would rather stay on the pablum stuff about Adam Everett, the #7 hitter in the lineup.  Shame on you.

Lance Berkman has a MVP year last year and the offense stunk.   No argument about MoBerg.

If Berkman, Lee, and even Ensberg turned in MVP years this season, our offense would still be mediocre at best.

 
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« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2007, 02:35:23 pm »
If the middle of the order guys were driving in runs like they were supposed to, it wouldn't matter what Everett/Ausmus were doing to an extent.  I agree with that.

They be adding to the lineup success not detracting to it as seems to be the norm in the thinking of the average fan.  Those two don't detract from the lineup at all, they are asked to be run producers in very tough situations this year and last because the middle doesn't work right now.  Last year, at the end of the season, when the middle started to work because Luke Scott was acting like a Messaih and Berkman was a monster, Adam Everett had his best times hitting the baseball.  Funny how that works, but if you are asked to do more at the bottom of the lineup than is reasonable, then you're asking for the type of success they're enjoying right now.  Changing out the #7 hitter and #8 does not make your middle of the lineup better.

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« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2007, 02:35:27 pm »
Lance Berkman has a MVP year last year and the offense stunk.   No argument about MoBerg.

If Berkman, Lee, and even Ensberg turned in MVP years this season, our offense would still be mediocre at best.

 


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« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2007, 02:36:35 pm »
Biggio 2b
Loretta 3b
Berkman RF
Lee LF
Lamb 1b
Pence CF
Everett SS
Ausmus C

Say what you will, but I wouldn't mind seeing that arrangement just to shake things up a bit.

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« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2007, 02:37:50 pm »
Lance Berkman has a MVP year last year and the offense stunk.   No argument about MoBerg.

Lee is having a decent year so far, and the offense stinks in the middle.  What's your point?  MoBerg, Wilson and Lane had horrible years until they were replaced and guess what... the Astros started winning ball games.  Seriously, were you *NOT* paying attention to what happened at the end of the year when they actually fixed the middle of the lineup and this team took off?

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« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2007, 02:38:04 pm »
Ausmus and  Everett aren't the only ones eating Lobster this season.  After all, Ausmus rarely leaves anyone on base.
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« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2007, 02:39:01 pm »
Ausmus and  Everett aren't the only ones eating Lobster this season.  After all, Ausmus rarely leaves anyone on base.

They're not supposed to be run producers.

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« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2007, 02:39:55 pm »
I'm done.

Good advice.  He's just not going to understand no matter what.  He's either incapable or stubborn... or both.

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« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2007, 02:39:59 pm »
They're not supposed to be run producers.

Yeah, I know that Noe.  You obviously missed my joke about Ausmus leaving guys on the bases.
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« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2007, 02:42:41 pm »
Biggio 2b
Loretta 3b
Berkman RF
Lee LF
Lamb 1b
Pence CF
Everett SS
Ausmus C

Say what you will, but I wouldn't mind seeing that arrangement just to shake things up a bit.

I would absolutley love to see that lineup for 2 weeks. One minor nit- I would move Pence in front of lamb to try to protect him a little bit more- but I'd go to war for a couple weeks with that lineup and see what happens. We haven't seen it yet- but I think that we might, if what we saw from Gar thining berkman to the OF is possible.


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« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2007, 02:44:16 pm »
Yeah, I know that Noe.  You obviously missed my joke about Ausmus leaving guys on the bases.

Understood.  Carry on.

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« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2007, 02:45:36 pm »
I would absolutley love to see that lineup for 2 weeks. One minor nit- I would move Pence in front of lamb to try to protect him a little bit more- but I'd go to war for a couple weeks with that lineup and see what happens. We haven't seen it yet- but I think that we might, if what we saw from Gar thining berkman to the OF is possible.



I think Jim is right though, Luke Scott seems to be coming out of his funk right now.  Let's see what another couple of weeks with Scott looks like (and also Pence) to see if this ship rights itself.

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« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2007, 02:55:28 pm »
What I don't get is how we have one of the worst offenses in the NL again this season, start two of the worst offensive players in baseball, and some don't see a connection.

It's because berkman is not playing like he can, and they have a revolving inconsistent door in the 5/6 hole, not biggio, everett, ausmus as to why they are struggling to score.   
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« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2007, 02:55:42 pm »
Good advice.  He's just not going to understand no matter what.  He's either incapable or stubborn... or both.

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« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2007, 02:56:56 pm »
I think Jim is right though, Luke Scott seems to be coming out of his funk right now.  Let's see what another couple of weeks with Scott looks like (and also Pence) to see if this ship rights itself.

Scott has started whacking the ball around the park again. He showed some serious pop in STL, doing one of my favorite things in all of baseball, which is watching Jim Edmonds go back and have a ball sail over his head. Scott is hot and cold, yeah. But at least he's finding hot again. Berkman still hasn't managed to get out of luke-warm at best. If Berkman starts mashing, and Lee finds a little more power, which I think is about to start happening again (since he's been hitting laser singles to the outfield more and more recently), Scott will start driving in some runs with his stick too.
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« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2007, 02:58:11 pm »
Well, we just disagree but I'm as tired as everyone about year after year of losing games 3-1.  Maybe that's the only thing I have in common with Roger Clemens.

Disagree about what? Thats pretty ridiculous that you're pinning offensive woes on the guys that should have the least expectation to drive in runs.
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« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2007, 03:00:09 pm »
Well, we just disagree but I'm as tired as everyone about year after year of losing games 3-1.  Maybe that's the only thing I have in common with Roger Clemens.

You have no clue as to what is needed to change that.  If you think taking Adam Everett out is the answer, you're seriously delusional as to the fix that is needed.

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« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2007, 03:03:04 pm »
Lance Berkman has a MVP year last year and the offense stunk.   No argument about MoBerg.

If Berkman, Lee, and even Ensberg turned in MVP years this season, our offense would still be mediocre at best.

 

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« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2007, 03:09:07 pm »
Lack of power is the reason why we have out-hit our opponentm, in 5 of our last 7 losses. Change a couple of these singles into extra-base hits and we win these games and we lead the division.

The season is young but we need to get going;

1 Scott was swinging a strong bat until the extended elbow. Hopefully he is healthy and get back to his early form. Show him the early films.

2. Ensberg needs to get back to the power game and get rid of the, "deer in the headlights", look. Head case...don't know if he is salvagable as a power hitter but we can't afford a 3rd baseman who takes the walks and is not a power hitter.

3. Lee seems to have adjusted his swing after a mini-slump and Bergman has him going with the pitches more. Still a steady RBI man, but power is reduced. We need the guy who can get us the 3 run HR in this spot.

4. Berkman...this has already been covered. Needs to return to form.

Another thing with the lack of power. This team is expected to hit with power and we play that way. I was critical of the team last week in saying that we don't manufacture enough runs. This was after we left, "beau coup", runners on during the Pitt series. If you are going to hit small ball....you need to play small ball. We have been looking for the long ball to win us games and it is not happening.

In summary, I just think we are playing out of character and things are just out of kilter. The best approach may just be to reinforce each players role, make the lineup accordingly, and play ball.

And if our pitching remains pretty steady....we should be fine come September/October.   
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« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2007, 03:19:04 pm »
watching Jim Edmonds go back and have a ball sail over his head.

that really is almost orgasmic, isn't it?

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« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2007, 03:22:08 pm »
that really is almost orgasmic, isn't it?

Its makes me giggle almost as much as the word "titmouse".
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« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2007, 03:26:18 pm »
Its makes me giggle almost as much as the word "titmouse".

remember the old Darryl Ward is Fat (or somthing like that) website.  The guy absolutely nailed Anaheim Jimmy.  Just perfect.  Lets see if I can't find it.
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« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2007, 03:34:50 pm »
remember the old Darryl Ward is Fat (or somthing like that) website.  The guy absolutely nailed Anaheim Jimmy.  Just perfect.  Lets see if I can't find it.

That was one of the funniest things I've ever read that wasn't on this site.

Involved "Jim Edmonds is a sexy bitch" as I recall it.
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« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2007, 03:40:59 pm »
Disagree about what? Thats pretty ridiculous that you're pinning offensive woes on the guys that should have the least expectation to drive in runs.

If you keep doing the same thing, you'll get the same results.  Our offense has been very consistent the past 2 1/2 seasons.
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« Reply #42 on: May 07, 2007, 03:43:16 pm »
If you keep doing the same thing, you'll get the same results.  Our offense has been very consistent the past 2 1/2 seasons.

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« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2007, 03:43:27 pm »
i still believe in Scott's potential.

It seems teams started making adjustments on Scott a couple weeks into the season...staying inside and off the plate with hard stuff or away with the junk.  For awhile he couldn't help but pull the trigger on the inside stuff either hitting the ball foul or whiffing...then to make matters worse he couldn't help but try to pull the outside pitches too.  It seems to me that he's finally making adjustments as well, looking middle away and staying back.  Hopefully Luke's just a couple mistakes (via the pitcher) away from a couple homers.


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« Reply #44 on: May 07, 2007, 03:50:02 pm »
I've always thought luke would hit and with some authority.

I had him penciled in mentally for about .275/20/90 for the year. I hope that plays out- he's looked good in the past week or so.


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« Reply #45 on: May 07, 2007, 03:51:32 pm »
if stupid statements can be in the HOF, this is an all-timer.

Well, in 2004 with a younger Biggio and Bagwell and Berkman and Kent and Beltran (1/2 season), we were tied for 6th in runs.  I don't think Berkman and Lee and Ensberg could match that lineup.
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« Reply #46 on: May 07, 2007, 03:55:43 pm »
Well, in 2004 with a younger Biggio and Bagwell and Berkman and Kent and Beltran (1/2 season), we were tied for 6th in runs.  I don't think Berkman and Lee and Ensberg could match that lineup.

Well, three players versus four and a half should not measure up.

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« Reply #47 on: May 07, 2007, 03:59:57 pm »


The 1/2 player was not playing MVP type ball in the regular season.  Bagwell carried this team to the promise land that year, as I recall.

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« Reply #48 on: May 07, 2007, 04:08:12 pm »
That was one of the funniest things I've ever read that wasn't on this site.

Involved "Jim Edmonds is a sexy bitch" as I recall it.

My google is failing me. That was a riot of a piece and I can't find it either.

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« Reply #49 on: May 07, 2007, 04:25:46 pm »
If you keep doing the same thing, you'll get the same results.

Imagine that, you were asleep for two months last year and didn't even know it!  Sorry you missed the end of the 2006 season *where the Astros made changes*.  It was fun.  Maybe you should just go take a nap.

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« Reply #50 on: May 07, 2007, 04:28:16 pm »
Well, in 2004 with a younger Biggio and Bagwell and Berkman and Kent and Beltran (1/2 season), we were tied for 6th in runs.  I don't think Berkman and Lee and Ensberg could match that lineup.

Beltran had horrible numbers in 2004.  And you said "MVP" seasons from Berkman, Lee and Ensberg.  Now you're doing the things that stros-rays said in his primer on trolling.  You're starting to crawfish something serious here.

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« Reply #51 on: May 07, 2007, 04:46:57 pm »
Beltran had horrible numbers in 2004.  And you said "MVP" seasons from Berkman, Lee and Ensberg.  Now you're doing the things that stros-rays said in his primer on trolling.  You're starting to crawfish something serious here.

Beltran his 23 homers in 90 games

http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/beltrca01.shtml

Anyway, I know this is an old argument, so I'm done.  Let's hope Luke and Pence deliver and MoBerg gets his head straight.
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« Reply #52 on: May 07, 2007, 04:57:44 pm »
Beltran his 23 homers in 90 games

http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/beltrca01.shtml

He didn't hit like an MVP until he got into the playoffs.  Again, you're purposely being obtuse about your stupid stance.

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Anyway, I know this is an old argument, so I'm done.  Let's hope Luke and Pence deliver and MoBerg gets his head straight.

Because if not, it's Adam Everett's fault (according to you).  Seriously, why do you jump into these discussions with such weak shit?