Clemens to Lexington?

[Navin R Johnson]

I heard this while driving around and listening to the Astros post game show.   I found this on the web:


He begins with a minor league contract, and the deal will allow him to earn about $18.5 million. Clemens will start his workouts in Lexington, Ky., where his son Koby is playing in the Houston Astros' farm system.

I can understand the owner of the Lexington ball club and the fans of the Legends wanting to see him, but isnt that pretty inappropriate?

[pravata]

I heard this while driving around and listening to the Astros post game show.   I found this on the web:


He begins with a minor league contract, and the deal will allow him to earn about $18.5 million. Clemens will start his workouts in Lexington, Ky., where his son Koby is playing in the Houston Astros' farm system.

I can understand the owner of the Lexington ball club and the fans of the Legends wanting to see him, but isnt that be pretty inappropriate?

(Not directed at you Navin, but) What? WHAT? Damn right it's inappropriate.  He ought to be playing wall ball before he steps a cloven hoof onto a facility owned or controlled by the Astros.

[Kent's Moustache]

I heard this while driving around and listening to the Astros post game show.   I found this on the web:


He begins with a minor league contract, and the deal will allow him to earn about $18.5 million. Clemens will start his workouts in Lexington, Ky., where his son Koby is playing in the Houston Astros' farm system.

I can understand the owner of the Lexington ball club and the fans of the Legends wanting to see him, but isnt that pretty inappropriate?

Turn off the air raid sirens, friends.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070506&content_id=238748&vkey=news_milb&fext=.jsp

Whoever mentioned Lexington appears to have been mistaken.

[Navin R Johnson]

No mistake.   Lexington it is.

http://www.kentucky.com/271/story/62972.html

Comeback starts in Lexington

Just like last year, Roger Clemens will begin a big-league comeback in Lexington. But this time, he won't be playing for the Lexington Legends.

Gary Durbin, Legends vice president of facilities, said yesterday that Clemens has made arrangements to work out at Applebee's Park during a six-game homestand that begins Tuesday.

[Duman]

No mistake.   Lexington it is.

http://www.kentucky.com/271/story/62972.html

It's not quite Lexington yet.  Read the rest of the story:

Having agreed to terms with the Yankees, it's unclear whether league rules will permit Clemens to work out with the Legends -- an Astros affiliate......If there is no conflict, Roger Clemens will work out with the Legends, but not play. If that's not possible, according to Legends President and CEO Alan Stein, Clemens will practice elsewhere in town.

Turn the sirens down to yellow alert.

[Phil_in_CS]

of course they will bend the rules for him, he's Roger Fucking Clemens. The whole world revolves around him. Didn't you know that?

</sarcasm>

[JimR]

of course they will bend the rules for him, he's Roger Fucking Clemens. The whole world revolves around him. Didn't you know that?

</sarcasm>

the Astros MUST say no to this.

[Taras Bulba]

the Astros MUST say no to this.

i think the Chronicle reported Purpura as saying it would be "inappropriate" for Clemens to pitch at Lexington. 

[JimR]

i think the Chronicle reported Purpura as saying it would be "inappropriate" for Clemens to pitch at Lexington. 

good. thanks for the news.

[Navin R Johnson]

Tim should call Roger and ask if the letters FO mean anything to him.

[Navin R Johnson]

From the chron, i assume this is what TB was referring to...

Clemens signed a 10-year personal services contract with McLane in his first one-year deal with the Astros, and McLane says that deal will kick in whenever the righthander retires. Clemens' eldest son, Koby, is a third-base prospect with the Astros' Class A Lexington Legends.

Although Clemens reportedly will try to work his way into shape in Lexington, Purpura said it wouldn't be appropriate for him to train at the Legends' facility.

This should be interesting, cause in pretty much every article published today, it mentions that Racket was heading to Lexington immediately to begin work outs.

So are they going to get the security guards to tell him to beat it, when he shows up?

[T. J.]

Whoever was hosting Jim Rome's show today (it wasn't Rome) told folks in Lexington to get in line for tickets because The Clemens Show was coming to town.

[Navin R Johnson]

Turn the sirens down to yellow alert.

time to turn them back up....



Roger Clemens' return starts in Lexington

By Brett Dawson
[email protected]
The Courier-Journal

LEXINGTON, Ky. – Roger Clemens’ return to New York will begin in Lexington.

The seven-time Cy Young Award winner, who over the weekend announced he’ll pitch this season for the New York Yankees, will begin his latest comeback by working out this week at Applebee’s Park, home of the Lexington Legends.

Clemens will arrive in Lexington tomorrow, said Larry Glover, the Legends’ play-by-play announcer and director of the team’s media relations department.

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070507/SPORTS/70507021/1002

[Matt]

Let him get there and THEN send word down that he can't workout at the Legends' field.  Delay his precious workout for a bit.

[Astroholic]

Let him get there and THEN send word down that he can't workout at the Legends' field.  Delay his precious workout for a bit.

Nope, that would not be the gentleman thing to do.  me wonders if Drayton had no interest in resigning Roger, just went through the motions. 

[Alkie]

Fuck that.  I say let him report and then cut his son. 

[Astroholic]

Fuck that.  I say let him report and then cut his son. 

I agree, but then again I am not Drayton.

[Navin R Johnson]

His son didnt do anything.     How about charging Roger to use the facilities, i am thinking about 18 million.

[Noe]

What I do not understand is why Clemens would want to report to Lexington (other than to see his son and how well the clubhouse he redecorated is holding up)?  I mean, don't the Yankees have minor league facilities?

As Tim Purpura said "That would be highly in apporpirate".  However, he can go work out in Lexington any way, as long as it's not at the Legend's facilities.  But this sort of showmanship is really getting old.  Go work out where the Yankees can make it happen for you, *YOU SIGNED WITH THEM!*

[Alkie]

His son didnt do anything.     How about charging Roger to use the facilities, i am thinking about 18 million.

His son wouldn't BE there if it wasn't for his dad in the first place.  And I'm not talking about the biological reasons.

The org made a mistake paying Koby Clemens to play baseball to try to keep Roger around.  There have been worse reasons for cutting players.  If we were talking about someone with even the slightest chance of making the majors, fine.  But we're not. 

He's there as a favor to his dad. 

Adios.

[Noe]

His son didnt do anything.     How about charging Roger to use the facilities, i am thinking about 18 million.

That works!  Allen Stein is making a very huge mistake trying to make this work for his Legends and thus spitting on the Houston Astros.  Clemens probably thinks he can make Stein the bad guy in this, but for once, someone just stand up to this guy and tell him he really is *NOT* that special.

He's a 45 year old pitcher that is going into the hall of fame, he's not God!

[Astroholic]

That works!  Allen Stein is making a very huge mistake trying to make this work for his Legends and thus spitting on the Houston Astros.  Clemens probably thinks he can make Stein the bad guy in this, but for once, someone just stand up to this guy and tell him he really is *NOT* that special.

He's a 45 year old pitcher that is going into the hall of fame, he's not God!

I'd tell him to go fuck himself and the horse he rode in on.  Let me get this straight, the mother club has no control over its children?

[Arky Vaughan]

His son wouldn't BE there if it wasn't for his dad in the first place.  And I'm not talking about the biological reasons.

The org made a mistake paying Koby Clemens to play baseball to try to keep Roger around.  There have been worse reasons for cutting players.  If we were talking about someone with even the slightest chance of making the majors, fine.  But we're not. 

He's there as a favor to his dad. 

Adios.

Whatever one thinks of Clemens, this would reflect poorly on the Astros as an organization. I would prefer that they take the high road.

[Navin R Johnson]

How much control does the parent club have in a situation like this?   I assume the Legends field is owned by the owner of the Legends, not the Astros.    But I am not really sure.

[Arky Vaughan]

I'd tell him to go fuck himself and the horse he rode in on.  Let me get this straight, the mother club has no control over its children?

If you're a minor-league club owner and operator, you're going to do what you can to sell tickets unless the big-league club gives you some very serious reasons to do otherwise.

[Astroholic]

Whatever one thinks of Clemens, this would reflect poorly on the Astros as an organization. I would prefer that they take the high road.

I agree on Koby.  Clemens working out at an Astros facility is another issue all together.

[Navin R Johnson]

Whatever one thinks of Clemens, this would reflect poorly on the Astros as an organization. I would prefer that they take the high road.

My sentiments exactly.   And while Koby hasnt set the league on fire to date, and probably wont ever, you just never know.   he is still a young guy.    Just really isnt any upside to cutting him.... 

[Astroholic]

If you're a minor-league club owner and operator, you're going to do what you can to sell tickets unless the big-league club gives you some very serious reasons to do otherwise.

Like moving yet another affiliate back to the great state of Texas?

[Arky Vaughan]

Like moving yet another affiliate back to the great state of Texas?

Sure, if that's worth their while. But until then, Lexington is going to want to know who's going to make up for the dollars they won't get by telling them they can't let Clemens camp out there for a while.

What would be the right thing, and thus is unlikely to happen, is for the Yankees and Clemens to decide that he should be working out with a Yankees A-affiliate instead.

But Clemens wants to have his cake and eat it too. Maybe the best way to do that is to trade Koby to the Yankees system for some spare equipment and get the whole thing over with.

[Noe]

I'd tell him to go fuck himself and the horse he rode in on.  Let me get this straight, the mother club has no control over its children?

Not in terms of facilities, what they make in merchandizing (maybe it's a split) and also many other revenue making endeavors (which is what Stein probably wants to take advantage of).  The thing the mother club has control over is the control over the players.  That is about it for the organizational influence.  The Astros think it's highly inappropriate for Stein to do this, but they can't really stop him.  However, they can say that Clemens cannot step on the field to play for the team because it should be made up of Astros minor leaguers.  My understanding is that Clemens helped build that clubhouse plus the work facilities.  He probably wants to go there and work out with his son for awhile and then report to a field to play later on, probably a Yankee minor league team.

I highly doubt that tickets will be sold to an actual game featuring Roger Clemens.  But I could be wrong.

[Astroholic]

Not in terms of facilities, what they make in merchandizing (maybe it's a split) and also many other revenue making endeavors (which is what Stein probably wants to take advantage of).  The thing the mother club has control over is the control over the players.  That is about it for the organizational influence.  The Astros think it's highly inappropriate for Stein to do this, but they can't really stop him.  However, they can say that Clemens cannot step on the field to play.  My understanding is that Clemens helped build that clubhouse plus the work facilities.  He probably wants to go there and work out with his son for awhile and then report to a field to play later on, probably a Yankee minor league team.

Thanks Noe, that makes since.

[Kent's Moustache]

He probably wants to go there and work out with his son for awhile and then report to a field to play later on, probably a Yankee minor league team.

High A - Tampa
AA - Trenton
AAA - Scranton/Wilkes-Barre

On a barely related note, I wonder if the SWB Yankees (formerly the Red Barons) ever run any Dunder Mifflin promotions.  Or, on the other hand, if Scranton locals resent their characterization in "The Office."

[Noe]

High A - Tampa

Maybe someone in the media mistook "Legends Field" in Tampa for the home of the Lexington Legends.  It's Applebee Field in Lexington, FWIW.

[JimR]

His son wouldn't BE there if it wasn't for his dad in the first place.  And I'm not talking about the biological reasons.

The org made a mistake paying Koby Clemens to play baseball to try to keep Roger around.  There have been worse reasons for cutting players.  If we were talking about someone with even the slightest chance of making the majors, fine.  But we're not. 

He's there as a favor to his dad. 

Adios.

no fucking way. this is beneath you.

[utastro]

So when is Clemen's coming to Round Rock?  Isn't he a part owner of the Express?

[Noe]

So when is Clemen's coming to Round Rock?  Isn't he a part owner of the Express?

So is Jeff Kent, but I doubt you'll see him come here if he had to do a rehab or a rebuilt program to get ready for baseball.

[homer]

High A - Tampa
AA - Trenton
AAA - Scranton/Wilkes-Barre

On a barely related note, I wonder if the SWB Yankees (formerly the Red Barons) ever run any Dunder Mifflin promotions.  Or, on the other hand, if Scranton locals resent their characterization in "The Office."

Seems like the Yankees minor league teams would benefit just as much from a Clemens jerk off session. I am suprised they aren't pushing to have him bring his travelling ego stroking show to their park... since he is a Yankee and all.

[Bench]

If you're a minor-league club owner and operator, you're going to do what you can to sell tickets unless the big-league club gives you some very serious reasons to do otherwise.

How does Clemens mere use of the facilities sell tickets?

[Noe]

How does Clemens mere use of the facilities sell tickets?

It doesn't.

[Astroholic]

It doesn't.

So why allow it?

[Noe]

So why allow it?

I'm not Allen Stein, but he probably appreciates Clemens footing the bill to build the kids a really nice clubhouse and workout facility.  Why not pay him back with a favor?

[Astroholic]

I'm not Allen Stein, but he probably appreciates Clemens footing the bill to build the kids a really nice clubhouse and workout facility.  Why not pay him back with a favor?

Because you will piss off you mom...and a mother scorn

[Navin R Johnson]

I bet they could sell tix to watch DQ throw BP.

insert PT Barnum(sp) quote here.

[Astroholic]

I bet they could sell tix to watch DQ throw BP.

insert PT Barnum(sp) quote here.

What would you do if you saw DQ at HEB?  I would just put my head down and shake it (you know that non approval shake you give you kids when you are disappointed in them?).  Not that he would really give a fuck what I think of him.

[Uncle Charlie]

Just make him pay to rent the complex to train at?  I dunno...$100k-$150k/day.  If he wants to be a whore, then treat him like one.

[homer]

Brownie reports that he will be practicing at Univ Kentucky, not Lexington.

ETA:

A media report Sunday said that Clemens will spend time with his son in Lexington to get ready for the season. That part is true. But Clemens, whose son, Koby, is a third baseman for the Class A Legends, made arrangements to work out at the University of Kentucky.

Major League Baseball rules do not allow players to work out with other team's Minor League affiliates.

http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070507&content_id=1951312&vkey=news_hou&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou

[chuck]

Can just ask a question real quick? Why the fuck does he need to work out with his son? Does he somehow need his son's approbation? Why doesn't he just fucking go to Tampa like any other Yankee would?

[Duman]

Like moving yet another affiliate back to the great state of Texas?

And which Low A league are you going to join in Texas?  South Atlantic or Midwest

[Astroholic]

And which Low A league are you going to join in Texas?  South Atlantic or Midwest

I guess travel could become a problem. 

[Limey]

Fuck that.  I say let him report and then cut his son. 

No, let him pitch.  Let him take his first start, and pitch him until his arm falls off.

[Ty in Tampa]

I hope he pitches a TY game here. If I can come up with a couple of clean, wise heckles, I'll go deliver them.

[Astroholic]

I hope he pitches a TY game here. If I can come up with a couple of clean, wise heckles, I'll go deliver them.

I can't think of anything "clean".

[astrox]

Can just ask a question real quick? Why the fuck does he need to work out with his son? Does he somehow need his son's approbation? Why doesn't he just fucking go to Tampa like any other Yankee would?

In all my years of reading this board and it's illustrious predecessor, I have never witnessed such a juvenile reaction to an event.

Go back a few pages and you'll see many posters waxing poetic about the glory of Fathers and Sons sharing the love of baseball together.  Why many here are calling for Koby's head and questioning Roger's working out with his son are beyond me.  Any Astro wanting to play ball with his kid would probably not be met with such vitriol.

Let's all move foreward, shall we?

[JimR]

In all my years of reading this board and it's illustrious predecessor, I have never witnessed such a juvenile reaction to an event.

Go back a few pages and you'll see many posters waxing poetic about the glory of Fathers and Sons sharing the love of baseball together.  Why many here are calling for Koby's head and questioning Roger's working out with his son are beyond me.  Any Astro wanting to play ball with his kid would probably not be met with such vitriol.

Let's all move foreward, shall we?

you do not get it.

first, this is not LL or a Father-Son game. they are both professionals. more important, it is just one more example of DQ's belief that rules do not apply to him.

[Astroholic]

you do not get it.

first, this is not LL or a Father-Son game. they are both professionals. more important, it is just one more example of DQ's belief that rules do not apply to him.

And third more, go hug a tree.  Who give a fuck how you think we should react to a money grubbing whore (not directed at you Jim).

[Astroholic]

In all my years of reading this board and it's illustrious predecessor, I have never witnessed such a juvenile reaction to an event.

Go back a few pages and you'll see many posters waxing poetic about the glory of Fathers and Sons sharing the love of baseball together.  Why many here are calling for Koby's head and questioning Roger's working out with his son are beyond me.  Any Astro wanting to play ball with his kid would probably not be met with such vitriol.

Let's all move foreward, shall we?

Oh yeah, were you around when the co-ards beat the stros in 04 playoffs?  How about when they crowned the Co-ards..well the Co-ards. Beltran? There are many/many rants on the history of this board that top this.