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« on: April 23, 2007, 05:05:35 pm »
Houston
Biggio, 2B
Loretta, SS
Berkman, 1B
Lee, LF
Scott, RF
Lamb, 3B
Burke, CF
Ausmus, C
Sampson, P


Philadelphia
Rollins, SS
Victorino, RF
Utley, 2B
Howard, 1B
Burrell, LF
Helms, 3B
Rowand, CF
Barajas, C
Eaton, P
Oye. Vamos, vamos.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2007, 06:03:58 pm »
Anybody have an idea which channel on Dish...FSN has high school sports.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07 Eaton pitching top1
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2007, 06:09:18 pm »
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Biggio-   first pitch dinger

it's amazing he ever sees fastballs on the first pitch

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2007, 06:09:28 pm »
I for one would appreciate someone doing PBP as I'm stuck at work this evening...

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2007, 06:09:30 pm »
HOT DAMN!  First pitch of the game, Biggio homers to left-center!

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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2007, 06:10:25 pm »
Loretta- b, F9  pretty well hit

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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2007, 06:11:49 pm »
Berkman-   strike one looking, inside b, foul, strike three looking.    inside corner 2seam fb

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2007, 06:12:30 pm »
That last pitch to berkman had some sick movement on it.

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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2007, 06:13:27 pm »
Lee- inside b, outside b, tried to check foul, deep center ground rule double

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2007, 06:13:31 pm »
Anybody have an idea which channel on Dish...FSN has high school sports.

Is anyone getting the game on TV? It wasn't listed for any channel.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2007, 06:15:12 pm »
Is anyone getting the game on TV? It wasn't listed for any channel.

I found it on 51 even though astros.com says FSN.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07 1-0 astros mid 1
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2007, 06:15:28 pm »
Scott- foul, way outside high b, late swing on the fastball, called strike three  outside corner 
close pitch.  too close to take, imo

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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2007, 06:18:55 pm »
Rollins-  2 strikes, b, golfed homer to left

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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2007, 06:20:14 pm »
Victorino- foul, b, lined single to center.   breaking ball stayed a little high

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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2007, 06:22:24 pm »
Utley- pickoff attempt, strike, foul, pickoff attempt (boos already), 3u   - tough play for Berkman on the shorthop he had to charge

one out

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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2007, 06:23:21 pm »
howard- single to right

men on the corners one out

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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2007, 06:25:27 pm »
Burrell- inside b, outside b, single to left RBI

1st and 2nd one out
Ausmus to the mound



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« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2007, 06:27:55 pm »
Helms- foul, low b, high b, hard hit foul, strike three swinging

two outs

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« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2007, 06:29:35 pm »
Rowand- strike one looking, bounced one- b, F9 just short of warning track

end 1

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2007, 06:30:01 pm »
Motherfucker.  I have to work late and turn on the game to see Sampson is getting knocked around.

The hell?

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« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2007, 06:32:57 pm »
Lamb- called strike outside corner, inside b, foul chip into catcher's mitt, bounced one b, inside pitch lined over second for a single

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2007, 06:34:43 pm »
Burke- b, called strike down the middle, foul, outside b, couldn't hold up on ouside breaking ball   K

one out

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2007, 06:36:42 pm »
Sampson's career NL ERA is up to a whopping 1.72 now.   They'll cut him loose any day now.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2007, 06:36:43 pm »
How did I not know that Corky's name in real life is Chris Burke?

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2007, 06:37:40 pm »
Ausmus out!  CALLED SAFE!  Thank you blue!

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« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2007, 06:38:12 pm »
Ausmus- swung at an outside b, foul, [JD remembers giving up three homers in a row]
ouside b, nice take- b, whew-close b outside,   full count,  softly hit to SS   Ausmus beats the throw 
Lamb was running on the pitch, so Rollins had to throw to first
Men on first and second one out

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2007, 06:39:12 pm »
Sampson- bunted right at pitcher  out made at third    Sampson holding calf after beating throw to first.
1-5  two outs

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2007, 06:39:19 pm »
Ausmus out!  CALLED SAFE!  Thank you blue!

Budgirl's avatar may have given him a little luck.

Yikes! Sampson limping.  Calf acting up.  DAMN!
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2007, 06:39:29 pm »
Aw fuck.

Sampson gingerly walks back to the dugout.  He looks like he fucked up his leg.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2007, 06:39:33 pm »
Fucking Sampson tweaked his calf on the sprint to first.
Oye. Vamos, vamos.

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« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2007, 06:41:46 pm »
Biggio-  2 strikes, b, b (a pitch he often whiffs at), outside low b,   full count,  way outside Biggio walks to load the bases.    two outs

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2007, 06:41:46 pm »
Bidge walks.  C'mon Loretta.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2007, 06:41:52 pm »
Corky has 15 strikeouts so far. Bidge has 15, Lance 18.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2007, 06:42:29 pm »
Eaton ain't long for this game.  His control is terrible.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #34 on: April 23, 2007, 06:43:32 pm »
i like this loretta fellow

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2007, 06:43:36 pm »
Yikes.

Was Biggio crawling around the bases?


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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #36 on: April 23, 2007, 06:44:05 pm »
Loretta smacks it.  2 runs score.  Bidge out at home. Was there a stop sign for Bidge?  He was thrown out by a mile.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2007, 06:44:07 pm »
i like this loretta fellow

Imagine how good this team will be when we replace Biggio with Loretta full time.

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« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2007, 06:44:22 pm »
Loretta-  outside b, outside corner called strike, YES
double by Loretta
2RsBI
Biggio went home and he never shoulda- out by a mile

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2007, 06:44:57 pm »
Imagine how good this team will be when we replace Biggio with Loretta full time.
can't we save this for when he isn't having a good night.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #40 on: April 23, 2007, 06:46:00 pm »
Someone please let me know what BB and JD say about Biggio's being out at the plate. I thought for sure that hit would score three easily. Thanks.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #41 on: April 23, 2007, 06:46:27 pm »
JD says it took a great throw and was worth the risk with two outs

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #42 on: April 23, 2007, 06:47:16 pm »
JD says it took a great throw and was worth the risk with two outs

Dunno about that. Lance woulda been up next with two runners in scoring position.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #43 on: April 23, 2007, 06:47:27 pm »
can't we save this for when he isn't having a good night.

You can only point out positive things about the ballclub when it's made obvious and timely?

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« Reply #44 on: April 23, 2007, 06:47:50 pm »
barajas- s, check swing b, foul Berkman caught over his shoulder- nice catch

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #45 on: April 23, 2007, 06:48:48 pm »
Off the bat, it looked like a 3 run double, but in watching the replay, it looks like Manso should have held Biggio.

Could go either way.  Can't blame Manso for that one.  Just a nice play.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #46 on: April 23, 2007, 06:48:58 pm »
Someone please let me know what BB and JD say about Biggio's being out at the plate. I thought for sure that hit would score three easily. Thanks.

The ball was hit very hard into the corner, and Victorino was on it quick. He turned and fired... Utley also made a pretty quick/good throw.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #47 on: April 23, 2007, 06:49:36 pm »
Not Sampson's night.  Bummer.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #48 on: April 23, 2007, 06:49:48 pm »
Lance woulda been up next with two runners in scoring position.

Lately that's been worth taking a risk.



Rollins is going for a cycle in reverse order.

This could be a long night for both staffs.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #49 on: April 23, 2007, 06:50:00 pm »
this is shaping up to be a long, long night..

good bye sampsons microscopic ERA

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #50 on: April 23, 2007, 06:50:17 pm »
eaton- hard hit single to left

rollins- triple to left center    eaton scores  all he needs is the easy stuff for the cycle

3-3 tie one out


sorry- can't pbp any more

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #51 on: April 23, 2007, 06:50:52 pm »
good bye sampsons microscopic ERA

Now at 2.08 (after the RBI groundout).

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #52 on: April 23, 2007, 06:52:15 pm »
not as bad of a hit as i thought it would be..i dont think that'll be the last run he'll give up though

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #53 on: April 23, 2007, 06:52:30 pm »
Now at 2.08 (after the RBI groundout).

Is that career or this season?
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #54 on: April 23, 2007, 06:53:15 pm »
Thanks, all. I thought the ball hung up in the air a lot longer than it obviously did. I thought Bidge would be rounding third when the ball hit the ground.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #55 on: April 23, 2007, 06:53:33 pm »
i dont think that'll be the last run he'll give up though

I sure hope not, otherwise that calf injury is lot nastier than it seems.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #56 on: April 23, 2007, 06:54:06 pm »
Is that career or this season?

Career vs NL.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #57 on: April 23, 2007, 06:57:11 pm »
lets hope this is the return

berkman home run

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #58 on: April 23, 2007, 06:57:22 pm »
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #59 on: April 23, 2007, 06:57:22 pm »
Good thing they sent Bidge.

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« Reply #60 on: April 23, 2007, 06:59:51 pm »
That was one languid swing for a HR to CF, even in this park. You guys who were making fun of the AL and its football scores are now reaping what you've sown.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #61 on: April 23, 2007, 07:01:37 pm »
no fucking way that was a strike and the pitch two before was a ball.  total horseshit

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #62 on: April 23, 2007, 07:02:24 pm »
no fucking way that was a strike and the pitch two before was a ball.  total horseshit

I thought both were too close to take, especially given the pitch that he was rung up on last AB.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #63 on: April 23, 2007, 07:02:24 pm »
Another one too close to take for Luke. Of course, it was up and out.

JD points out that its Jerry Crawford behind the plate, and not to laugh at him.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #64 on: April 23, 2007, 07:02:25 pm »
Luke Scott has 5 consecutive strikeouts, and has struck out 7 out of his last 8 at bats.

I guess he has finally replaced Preston Wilson.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #65 on: April 23, 2007, 07:03:01 pm »
That was one languid swing for a HR to CF, even in this park. You guys who were making fun of the AL and its football scores are now reaping what you've sown.

Yep.  And it's just as crappy when it's the Astros.  Slugfests aren't as much fun.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #66 on: April 23, 2007, 07:04:02 pm »
I thought both were too close to take, especially given the pitch that he was rung up on last AB.
perhaps you're right, i just want consistency.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #67 on: April 23, 2007, 07:05:40 pm »
Runs > Innings = Crappy baseball

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #68 on: April 23, 2007, 07:07:12 pm »
Runs > Innings = Crappy baseball

Combined? Or per team?
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #69 on: April 23, 2007, 07:08:23 pm »
Combined? Or per team?

Per team.

Any game where both teams are in double digits, as far as I'm concerned, is terrible professional baseball.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #70 on: April 23, 2007, 07:09:43 pm »
Per team.

Any game where both teams are in double digits, as far as I'm concerned, is terrible professional baseball.

Unless its a Yankees-Red Sox game. Then both pitchers get standing ovations.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #71 on: April 23, 2007, 07:11:41 pm »
Unless its a Yankees-Red Sox game. Then both pitchers get standing ovations.

Right, exactly.

Fucker has an in-game ERA 7.71 and gets a standing O.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #72 on: April 23, 2007, 07:14:45 pm »
THAT was a goddamn strike.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #73 on: April 23, 2007, 07:15:47 pm »
THAT was a goddamn strike.

That pitch? That pitch right there?
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #74 on: April 23, 2007, 07:16:34 pm »
Whew.  Down to 2.02.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #75 on: April 23, 2007, 07:19:24 pm »
Maybe it's something ingrained from growing up watching the 70s Astros in the Dome, but a 1-0 game suits the shit out of me.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #76 on: April 23, 2007, 07:20:43 pm »
Maybe it's something ingrained from growing up watching the 70s Astros in the Dome, but a 1-0 game suits the shit out of me.

I think that's what it is for me.  If I had grown up in BOS, I'd probably like in game ERAs of 7.71, but since I grew up in the 70s/80s a fan of the Astros, I like no more than 3 runs total in a game.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #77 on: April 23, 2007, 07:24:07 pm »
If you had grown up in Boston you'd be one of the two types of people that exist there. 1) The type of person who makes fun of people for bringing pizza to a game. Or 2) The type of person who selectively launches pizza about the ballpark.

You'd also more than likely enjoy a healthy sense of entitlement when it came to your favorite baseball team.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #78 on: April 23, 2007, 07:25:22 pm »
Tampa Bay 5-3 in the 4th.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #79 on: April 23, 2007, 07:25:25 pm »
What else do those folks have to feel entitled about?   This is all they have.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #80 on: April 23, 2007, 07:26:22 pm »
Tampa Bay 5-3 in the 4th.

Whew.  Man, that's good baseball.  And thank god that game is on nat'l tv.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #81 on: April 23, 2007, 07:28:19 pm »
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #82 on: April 23, 2007, 07:30:35 pm »
What happened on the non double-play?

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #83 on: April 23, 2007, 07:31:31 pm »
What happened on the non double-play?

EIther Bidge couldn't get it out of his glove, or Loretta was a tick late to cover. I think it was the latter based on the replay.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #84 on: April 23, 2007, 07:31:42 pm »
Biggio had trouble getting rid of the ball.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #85 on: April 23, 2007, 07:32:29 pm »
Yeah actually after seeing the replays it looks like Biggio had to wait on Loretta.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #86 on: April 23, 2007, 07:33:19 pm »
AE makes that play.... not the DP, but the Loretta dive.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #87 on: April 23, 2007, 07:34:08 pm »
well loretta is getting good dive practice..

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #88 on: April 23, 2007, 07:34:28 pm »
JD agrees that AE makes that next play too.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #89 on: April 23, 2007, 07:34:44 pm »
He probably catches that little floater over Loretta's head earlier too.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #90 on: April 23, 2007, 07:35:07 pm »
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #91 on: April 23, 2007, 07:35:29 pm »
well loretta is getting good dive practice..

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #92 on: April 23, 2007, 07:35:47 pm »
He probably catches that little floater over Loretta's head earlier too.

Can't fault him too much on that, he was breaking to cover second.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #93 on: April 23, 2007, 07:35:58 pm »
If anyone ever wondered how many runs AE saves the Astros, this game is proving to be a pretty decent tutorial.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #94 on: April 23, 2007, 07:36:28 pm »
Wow.  This is some truly shitty baseball.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #95 on: April 23, 2007, 07:36:37 pm »
i had my head turned and saw the play briefly, but it looked like AE would have got that ground ball too..

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #96 on: April 23, 2007, 07:36:45 pm »
AE makes that play.... not the DP, but the Loretta dive.

Yeah? That's what I was wondering.

I guess Adam needs rest too, but my blood pressure raises just not seeing his name in the lineup. Loretta is a great player, but a shortstop he ain't.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #97 on: April 23, 2007, 07:37:39 pm »
Not faulting him on the floater at all since AE is probably one of a few guys that wouldn't have surprised me by catching it.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #98 on: April 23, 2007, 07:37:52 pm »
I guess Adam needs rest too, but my blood pressure raises just not seeing his name in the lineup. Loretta is a great player, but a shortstop he ain't.

The Phillies announcers said something about Adam nursing a sore back.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #99 on: April 23, 2007, 07:38:06 pm »
i had my head turned and saw the play briefly, but it looked like AE would have got that ground ball too..

I would like that whole inning on tape.  Next time some dip starts bitching about Adam Everett's OPS, just jam that tape in front of their beak.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #100 on: April 23, 2007, 07:38:10 pm »
Yeah? That's what I was wondering.

I guess Adam needs rest too, but my blood pressure raises just not seeing his name in the lineup. Loretta is a great player, but a shortstop he ain't.

Burke should be starting at shortstop. We need to get his stick in the lineup on a daily basis, AE kills this team.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #101 on: April 23, 2007, 07:39:44 pm »
I would like that whole inning on tape.  Next time some dip starts bitching about Adam Everett's OPS, just jam that tape in front of their beak.

If it wasn't for KNWS, I could have made that happen.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #102 on: April 23, 2007, 07:41:32 pm »
The Phillies announcers said something about Adam nursing a sore back.

That's a chronic thing for Adam. He will always be battling back problems, which is a shame. And that's why he needs rest and can't run out there 162 times between April and September.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #103 on: April 23, 2007, 07:42:28 pm »
I would like that whole inning on tape.  Next time some dip starts bitching about Adam Everett's OPS, just jam that tape in front of their beak.

Those 3 runs AE would have saved are irrelevant, pravata.

The only thing that matters is walks and HRs.  And VORP and WARP3.  You can easily measure a player defensively and those 3 runs don't matter. 

I'll be honest, I've always said "you know, AE couldn't really save THAT many runs over a season."  I absolutely change my mind.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #104 on: April 23, 2007, 07:43:03 pm »
Burke should be starting at shortstop. We need to get his stick in the lineup on a daily basis, AE kills this team.

If Burke played short, and Loretta played center, it would improve our lineup regarding the respective positional averages in the league.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #105 on: April 23, 2007, 07:44:05 pm »
Those 3 runs AE would have saved are irrelevant, pravata.

The only thing that matters is walks and HRs.  And VORP and WARP3.  You can easily measure a player defensively and those 3 runs don't matter. 

I'll be honest, I've always said "you know, AE couldn't really save THAT many runs over a season."  I absolutely change my mind.

To be fair, Everett wouldnt have made all of those plays, JUST THE FIRST TWO!

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #106 on: April 23, 2007, 07:45:52 pm »
To be fair, Everett wouldnt have made all of those plays, JUST THE FIRST TWO!

The two that would have ended the inning before the runs scored?  Yes.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #107 on: April 23, 2007, 07:48:04 pm »
Has to be the 42 jersey. Has to be.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #108 on: April 23, 2007, 07:50:09 pm »
The two that would have ended the inning before the runs scored?  Yes.


Somebody is going to try to argue, well you know over 162 games, 600 atbats Loretta would produce this many runs... stop, just stop.  Games arent won over 600 atbats.  They are won inning by inning and an inning like that will lose a game.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #109 on: April 23, 2007, 07:51:37 pm »
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #110 on: April 23, 2007, 07:55:52 pm »
Games arent won over 600 atbats.  They are won inning by inning and an inning like that will lose a game.

I'm not trying to kiss your ass because you're a pope or Sicilian or whatever...what you JUST said has been my sole argument in the stat geek discussion for sports.

I love stats as much as anyone.  Love em.

But stats, even the fancy ones, don't help you predict what you just said...inning to inning, situation to situation.  They give you an average of what has already happened in large samples.

Going back to the 600-at-bats thing.  My problem with VORP is this: show me this RP; this replacement player who is exactly the average AAA player at that position.  He doesn't exist.  And he sure as fuck isn't who YOUR team has to replace whatever player with.  I get that it works alright as a way to compare players in indexed fashion, but the Value Over some totally made up Replacement Player is ca-ca.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #111 on: April 23, 2007, 08:00:21 pm »
Sampson's 14 hits given up ties the mark of another Astros pitcher who also wore 42 for the club during the turn of the century. Not a great legacy.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #112 on: April 23, 2007, 08:02:29 pm »
I'm not trying to kiss your ass because you're a pope or Sicilian or whatever...what you JUST said has been my sole argument in the stat geek discussion for sports.

I love stats as much as anyone.  Love em.

But stats, even the fancy ones, don't help you predict what you just said...inning to inning, situation to situation.  They give you an average of what has already happened in large samples.

Going back to the 600-at-bats thing.  My problem with VORP is this: show me this RP; this replacement player who is exactly the average AAA player at that position.  He doesn't exist.  And he sure as fuck isn't who YOUR team has to replace whatever player with.  I get that it works alright as a way to compare players in indexed fashion, but the Value Over some totally made up Replacement Player is ca-ca.

ca-ca, that's what I was trying to say.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #113 on: April 23, 2007, 08:03:27 pm »
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this replacement player who is exactly the average AAA player at that position.  He doesn't exist

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #114 on: April 23, 2007, 08:03:57 pm »
Sampson's 14 hits given up ties the mark of another Astros pitcher who also wore 42 for the club during the turn of the century. Not a great legacy.

That dude at least had a great deal of entertainment value. And he was a 20-game winner. And he pitched the game against the Dojers that got the Astros into the playoffs in 1999 I think it was. And he had a wife.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #115 on: April 23, 2007, 08:05:07 pm »
That dude at least had a great deal of entertainment value. And he was a 20-game winner. And he pitched the game against the Dojers that got the Astros into the playoffs in 1999 I think it was. And he had a wife.

And what was it, 3 homeruns in 5 pitches? 

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #116 on: April 23, 2007, 08:05:40 pm »
That dude at least had a great deal of entertainment value. And he was a 20-game winner. And he pitched the game against the Dojers that got the Astros into the playoffs in 1999 I think it was. And he had a wife.

I think she wore 42 as well. 42DD
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #117 on: April 23, 2007, 08:08:10 pm »
I think she wore 42 as well. 42DD

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #118 on: April 23, 2007, 08:08:46 pm »
And what was it, 3 homeruns in 5 pitches? 

I'm not sure how you say "whiplash" in Spanish, but that might have been another good nickname. I believe I remember back to back dingers to start the game. Is this the stretch you're referring to?
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #119 on: April 23, 2007, 08:09:15 pm »
That dude at least had a great deal of entertainment value. And he was a 20-game winner. And he pitched the game against the Dojers that got the Astros into the playoffs in 1999 I think it was. And he had a wife.

I'll tell you what, that guy also had the most impressive signature I've ever seen. He must have spent years perfecting it. It was a thing of beauty.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #120 on: April 23, 2007, 08:12:04 pm »
I'm not sure how you say "whiplash" in Spanish, but that might have been another good nickname. I believe I remember back to back dingers to start the game. Is this the stretch you're referring to?

Day game, vs the Mets?  I bought a ticket for the cheap seats, by the 3rd I was 2 rows back of the Astros dugout.

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« Reply #121 on: April 23, 2007, 08:12:06 pm »
Huh?
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #122 on: April 23, 2007, 08:13:12 pm »
alright, I'm putting on the Cirque du Soleil hat with the bells and turning the other tv to 2 1/2 Men, if that doesnt start a rally, what was the question?

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #123 on: April 23, 2007, 08:17:08 pm »
I'm going to watch the Rockets game.  The score will be lower.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #124 on: April 23, 2007, 08:18:25 pm »
Morgan's hitting streak stays alive, so that is good.

The Phillies pen is about to assume the position.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #125 on: April 23, 2007, 08:23:54 pm »
Morgan's hitting streak stays alive, so that is good.

The Phillies pen is about to assume the position.

I thought Ensberg walked, or am I not getting the joke?
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #126 on: April 23, 2007, 08:25:00 pm »
I thought Ensberg walked, or am I not getting the joke?

Not much of a joke, but Brownie was sure to point out that since there was only a PA and not an AB, the streak would continue.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #127 on: April 23, 2007, 08:27:44 pm »
Not much of a joke, but Brownie was sure to point out that since there was only a PA and not an AB, the streak would continue.

I guess so, but I disagree. Even no at bat, I would think this counts as a "game played." But I'm probably wrong.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #128 on: April 23, 2007, 08:27:45 pm »
Not much of a joke, but Brownie was sure to point out that since there was only a PA and not an AB, the streak would continue.

Would the same apply for a sacrifice, then?
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #129 on: April 23, 2007, 08:30:23 pm »
Not much of a joke, but Brownie was sure to point out that since there was only a PA and not an AB, the streak would continue.

Brownie is wrong on this one.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #130 on: April 23, 2007, 08:31:20 pm »
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A hitting streak is a stretch of consecutive games in which a batter records at least one hit. The rules regarding hitting streaks count a streak as neither ending nor being increased by one game if the batter doesn't get at least one legitimate chance at a hit, i.e. at least one plate appearance ending in either an at bat or sacrifice fly.

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« Reply #131 on: April 23, 2007, 08:33:24 pm »
MLB rules:

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10.23 Guidelines For Cumulative Performance Records
(b) CONSECUTIVE-GAME HITTING STREAKS. A consecutive-game hitting streak shall not be terminated if all of a batter's plate appearances (one or more) in a game result in a base on balls, hit batsman, defensive interference or obstruction or a sacrifice bunt. The streak shall terminate if the player has a sacrifice fly and no hit.
A player's individual consecutive-game hitting streak shall be determined by the consecutive games in which such player appears and is not determined by his club's games.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #132 on: April 23, 2007, 08:34:56 pm »
SOB, I never knew that.
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« Reply #133 on: April 23, 2007, 08:35:12 pm »
Man, that guy is a pain in the ass.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #134 on: April 23, 2007, 08:36:23 pm »
Well, that's the new thing I learned today.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #135 on: April 23, 2007, 08:36:30 pm »
Uh...is Brownie drunk as shit?

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« Reply #136 on: April 23, 2007, 08:37:43 pm »
Uh...is Brownie drunk as shit?

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« Reply #137 on: April 23, 2007, 08:38:15 pm »
Well, that's the new thing I learned today.

Yeah, me too. So the streak just remains at 8 games or whatever, it doesn't increase.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #138 on: April 23, 2007, 08:38:45 pm »
Peyote.

Dude, the skull has been there for like 8 years.  The fuck is going on with Brownie???

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #139 on: April 23, 2007, 08:39:32 pm »
Dude, the skull has been there for like 8 years.  The fuck is going on with Brownie???

He's talking about Brad's facemask?
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« Reply #140 on: April 23, 2007, 08:39:54 pm »
Rockets about to begin...this game is a lost cause...but Brown is keeping me glued.
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« Reply #141 on: April 23, 2007, 08:40:44 pm »
He's talking about Brad's facemask?

Yes.

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« Reply #142 on: April 23, 2007, 08:41:20 pm »
What channel is the Rockets game on in Houston?
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« Reply #143 on: April 23, 2007, 08:41:57 pm »
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« Reply #144 on: April 23, 2007, 08:42:21 pm »
Dude, the skull has been there for like 8 years.  The fuck is going on with Brownie???

I don't remember that little design on each side, but that doesn't mean anything. We will have to consult the resident expert.
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« Reply #145 on: April 23, 2007, 08:42:41 pm »
What channel is the Rockets game on in Houston?

TNT.  but if you turn off Brown letting loose like he is....you should be ashamed
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« Reply #146 on: April 23, 2007, 08:44:03 pm »
He's talking about Brad's facemask?

What is that thing on Lance Berkman's hand??  It's huge!  Like a brown growth...all leathery and full of holes!
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« Reply #147 on: April 23, 2007, 08:44:06 pm »
Yes.

"What is that white thing?"

"The skull?"

"Is that artwork, JD?"

"Yes, it's been there....for...uh...the sKULL??"

"Yes, has that been there for a while?"

"Uh...is...PRANK CALLER PRANK CALLER."

And shinguards, folks! Tonight Brad's wearing TWO of 'em!

What else is he supposed to do? The team is down by a touchdown and he doesn't understand any of JD's popular culture references.
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« Reply #148 on: April 23, 2007, 08:44:59 pm »
TNT.  but if you turn off Brown letting loose like he is....you should be ashamed

Thanks. I'm getting the Philly feed. Does he sound drunk? Or on, like, cold medicine or something? Or is he just saying bizarre shit?
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« Reply #149 on: April 23, 2007, 08:46:00 pm »
Thanks. I'm getting the Philly feed. Does he sound drunk? Or on, like, cold medicine or something? Or is he just saying bizarre shit?

Somewhat bizarre shit re: the mask, and then the 70x zoom capabilities of the cameras in Philly. Very exciting.
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« Reply #150 on: April 23, 2007, 08:46:11 pm »
Thanks. I'm getting the Philly feed. Does he sound drunk? Or on, like, cold medicine or something? Or is he just saying bizarre shit?

It's weird, he sounded high the whole game, but then he started talking about that skull on Brad's mask like he just discovered it.

It was totally surreal. 

JD tried to bail him out, but couldn't.

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« Reply #151 on: April 23, 2007, 08:46:35 pm »
Aw shit.  I just realized I'm supposed to recap this crapfest.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #152 on: April 23, 2007, 08:46:47 pm »
Somewhat bizarre shit re: the mask, and then the 70x zoom capabilities of the cameras in Philly. Very exciting.

That's right, then he went on and on about the zoom capabilities of the camera as if it was literally his first time in the booth.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #153 on: April 23, 2007, 08:47:19 pm »
Aw shit.  I just realized I'm supposed to recap this crapfest.

Sucks for you.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #154 on: April 23, 2007, 08:47:38 pm »
Damn, I'm sorry I'm missing this. It's thrillingly out of character, obviously.
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« Reply #155 on: April 23, 2007, 08:47:49 pm »
Thanks. I'm getting the Philly feed. Does he sound drunk? Or on, like, cold medicine or something? Or is he just saying bizarre shit?

It's a mix of all three.  I really can't decribe it.  Read Alkie's posts...he's doing it justice.
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« Reply #156 on: April 23, 2007, 08:48:33 pm »
Aw shit.  I just realized I'm supposed to recap this crapfest.

Philadelphia scores a touchdown late, then runs out the clock. The End.
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« Reply #157 on: April 23, 2007, 08:49:23 pm »
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #158 on: April 23, 2007, 08:50:15 pm »
What channel is the Rockets game on in Houston?

It's on FSN-Houston, too...but then all the uniforms look pink.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #159 on: April 23, 2007, 08:53:33 pm »
lidge comes in down by 7..

who thinks we'll see a few more runs tacked on?

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« Reply #160 on: April 23, 2007, 08:54:11 pm »
Phillies hit the ball real hard tonight.  Real real hard.

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« Reply #161 on: April 23, 2007, 08:57:19 pm »
And Rollins will get another chance at a double.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #162 on: April 23, 2007, 08:57:28 pm »
Lidge sliced up Rowand. Slider in looking, slider in looking, fastball away fouled, slider away for the K. All the sliders were in the zone.
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« Reply #163 on: April 23, 2007, 08:59:10 pm »
that was a NASTY slider for the K

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« Reply #164 on: April 23, 2007, 08:59:19 pm »
Barajas got chopped up too, slider in looking, high heat check swing strike, slider dirt away, slider dirt swinging for the K.
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« Reply #165 on: April 23, 2007, 09:00:00 pm »
Lidge sliced up Rowand. Slider in looking, slider in looking, fastball away fouled, slider away for the K. All the sliders were in the zone.

On the first two batters Lidge hardly threw any sliders. On the next two he's thrown virtually nothing but.
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« Reply #166 on: April 23, 2007, 09:01:09 pm »
they are throwing shit at Luke.

ETA: they being the fans, and shit being hotdogs
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« Reply #167 on: April 23, 2007, 09:02:14 pm »
they are throwing shit at Luke.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #168 on: April 23, 2007, 09:02:26 pm »
FUCKING.  NICE.

Very nice, Brad.  Very, very nice.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #169 on: April 23, 2007, 09:02:34 pm »
Maybe he can do that when it counts someday.

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« Reply #170 on: April 23, 2007, 09:03:11 pm »
Werth FB inner third fouled away, same pitch swing very late (strike 2), FB inner third with a late swing. K

strikesout the side for the first time this year.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #171 on: April 23, 2007, 09:03:12 pm »
That'a boy, Brad.

How fucking drunk do you have to be to throw shit onto the field? Or how stupid?
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« Reply #172 on: April 23, 2007, 09:07:23 pm »
Burke K
Ausmus flies out
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« Reply #173 on: April 23, 2007, 09:08:29 pm »
Palmeiro a pinch hit single-ish past 3b glove
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #174 on: April 23, 2007, 09:08:51 pm »
JD "it went directly to his ear without bouncing"
Drunk Brownie "so it did bounce?"
JD "No"
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« Reply #175 on: April 23, 2007, 09:09:05 pm »
Palmeiro a pinch hit single-ish past 3b glove

A day late. That's the way it goes.
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« Reply #176 on: April 23, 2007, 09:09:28 pm »
JD "it went directly to his ear without bouncing"
Drunk Brownie "so it did bounce?"
JD "No"

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« Reply #177 on: April 23, 2007, 09:09:32 pm »
Maybe he can do that when it counts someday.

baby steps.

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« Reply #178 on: April 23, 2007, 09:09:48 pm »
Biggio ground into FC...finally...game...over.

Now Brownie can get a drink
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #179 on: April 23, 2007, 09:10:00 pm »
The "#42 is on deck" joke never got old to drunk Brownie either.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #180 on: April 23, 2007, 09:10:58 pm »
No way.

I am not as funny as Alkie, I can't make shit like this up.
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« Reply #181 on: April 23, 2007, 09:11:14 pm »
The "#42 is on deck" joke never got old to drunk Brownie either.

Was he in a perpetual state of confusion about which Phil was in the on deck circle?
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« Reply #182 on: April 23, 2007, 09:12:35 pm »
I am not as funny as Alkie, I can't make shit like this up.

Yeah, making the dick and fart jokes is a real virtue.  But no, that exchange actually happened.

I hope Brownie gets some sleep tonight.

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« Reply #183 on: April 23, 2007, 09:12:42 pm »
Player of the game...Jimmy Rollins...brought to you by Bud Light.

The only redeeming thing about this game for Astros fans...also brought to you by Bud Light.
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« Reply #184 on: April 23, 2007, 09:13:25 pm »
Was he in a perpetual state of confusion about which Phil was in the on deck circle?

Everytime a PH for either team, or even when Moehler got up in the pen, he would make the "#42 is on deck" joke until they could figure out who it was.

Every time.
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« Reply #185 on: April 23, 2007, 09:14:03 pm »
Well, I'm in a pretty good mood, now, all things considering. I just found the Rockets game on TV. I can watch one of my teams on an actual television screen. Chevere!
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« Reply #186 on: April 23, 2007, 09:14:31 pm »
The only redeeming thing about this game for Astros fans...also brought to you by Bud Light.

HOF
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« Reply #187 on: April 23, 2007, 09:15:01 pm »
Everytime a PH for either team, or even when Moehler got up in the pen, he would make the "#42 is on deck" joke until they could figure out who it was.

Every time.

Awesome. Someone will surely youtube this shit. Viva youtube!
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« Reply #188 on: April 23, 2007, 09:16:07 pm »
Yeah, making the dick and fart jokes is a real virtue.  But no, that exchange actually happened.

I hope Brownie gets some sleep tonight.

Dick and fart jokes I can handle. Bizarre imaginary conversations are not my game.
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« Reply #189 on: April 23, 2007, 09:18:07 pm »
That was bizarre.  It was hilarious, but in a weird way.

It's like coming home and finding your dad drunk; if your dad doesn't usually drink.  You want to think it's funny, but then you realize he can't handle his booze and it's not as cool as you thought it would be.

Then he puts the lampshade on his head and you roll your eyes and try to sit him down. 

He just keeps rambling about that girl from High School and you remind him that he married her and that she's your mom.  He cries.  He laughs.  He wonders if that ball OP fouled into himself was painted by Brad Ausmus.

Happy 4/23, dude.  Rock on Brownie.  Rock on.

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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #190 on: April 23, 2007, 09:21:47 pm »
Happy 4/23, dude.

Had this happened three days ago I might have an explanation for you.
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Re: Astros at Phillies - 4/23/07
« Reply #191 on: April 23, 2007, 09:24:19 pm »
Had this happened three days ago I might have an explanation for you.

Brownie just found out about 4/20 and made up for it.

Dude is high as a kite.

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« Reply #192 on: April 23, 2007, 09:31:46 pm »
Brownie just found out about 4/20 and made up for it.

Dude is high as a kite.

God bless him. It's been a long road trip.
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