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General Discussion => Talk Zone => Topic started by: HudsonHawk on November 27, 2012, 11:04:49 am
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Both loved and despised, depending on which side of the aisle you sat, but no disputing that few individuals have had as big an impact on the business side of sports.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8682184/marvin-miller-mlbpa-first-leader-dies-95
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His exclusion from the HOF is glaring.
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So I go to Yahoo the first headline is
Former baseball union head Miller dead at 95
And the second
Longoria agrees to deal adding $100 million
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His exclusion from the HOF is glaring.
See, I don't agree. I don't think he belongs in the HOF, despite his influence.
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My lasting memory of Marvin Miller is his claim that drug testing players violated the Fourth Amendment.
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See, I don't agree. I don't think he belongs in the HOF, despite his influence.
I guess it depends on the what one feels the scope of the hall should be. If the goal is to be a museum that documents the history and changes of the sport, then he should be in it. If it is meant to be a sanitized MLB-approved historical fiction then no.
And also it depends on what you mean by "in" the Hall. Milo is "in" the HOF despite the fact that he's not actually in the HOF.
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Both loved and despised, depending on which side of the aisle you sat, but no disputing that few individuals have had as big an impact on the business side of sports.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8682184/marvin-miller-mlbpa-first-leader-dies-95
I would go so far as to say that he had more impact on the business side of baseball than anyone else. He was a trendsetter, predicting free agency, among other things.
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I think his influence is overstated, he was doing his job and getting paid to represent the players. If he wasn't going to look out for the Curt Floods and Andy Messersmiths, they would have found someone who would.
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I think his influence is overstated, he was doing his job and getting paid to represent the players. If he wasn't going to look out for the Curt Floods and Andy Messersmiths, they would have found someone who would.
Contrarian. They may have found someone else to represent them in the fight for free agency, but Marvin Miller *was* the guy who got it for them.
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I guess it depends on the what one feels the scope of the hall should be. If the goal is to be a museum that documents the history and changes of the sport, then he should be in it. If it is meant to be a sanitized MLB-approved historical fiction then no.
And also it depends on what you mean by "in" the Hall. Milo is "in" the HOF despite the fact that he's not actually in the HOF.
I mean a "member" of the Hall of Fame...like the kind of member Milo is not. I never suggested it should be sanitized or even MLB-approved. In fact, I think the HOF does a good job of *not* making it those things. Come to think of it, I'm not sure where you even got that idea.
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I think his influence is overstated, he was doing his job and getting paid to represent the players. If he wasn't going to look out for the Curt Floods and Andy Messersmiths, they would have found someone who would.
Well, it could be argued if that's the case, then why *didn't* they find someone else who would?
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I mean a "member" of the Hall of Fame...like the kind of member Milo is not. I never suggested it should be sanitized or even MLB-approved. In fact, I think the HOF does a good job of *not* making it those things. Come to think of it, I'm not sure where you even got that idea.
Are any non-players "members" of the hall of fame?
I think by ignoring Pete Rose and so far the "steroid era" the Hall is trying to be a sanitized version of history and not an accurate historical exhibition.
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Are any non-players "members" of the hall of fame?
Sure...there are managers, umpires and executives.
I think by ignoring Pete Rose and so far the "steroid era" the Hall is trying to be a sanitized version of history and not an accurate historical exhibition.
Pete Rose is everywhere in the historical exhibition of the HOF. He's simply ineligible to be a "member".
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Are any non-players "members" of the hall of fame?
I think by ignoring Pete Rose and so far the "steroid era" the Hall is trying to be a sanitized version of history and not an accurate historical exhibition.
No one ignores Pete Rose. He chose to break the one rule you can't break in baseball.
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Sure...there are managers, umpires and executives.
They have plaques just like the players? I haven't been to the HOF since 1997, so I don't really recall.
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They have plaques just like the players? I haven't been to the HOF since 1997, so I don't really recall.
Yep. For instance:
http://baseballhall.org/hof/rickey-branch
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No one ignores Pete Rose. He chose to break the one rule you can't break in baseball.
That's it. His sentence was just.
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That's it. His sentence was just.
Thread hijack in 3...2...
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They have plaques just like the players? I haven't been to the HOF since 1997, so I don't really recall.
Yes, of course they do.
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Milo Hamilton's in the hall of fame.
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His exclusion from the HOF is glaring.
And yet William Huber Selig will be at some point... So please allow me to take this opportunity to say FYB!!!
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Milo Hamilton's in the hall of fame.
No, he's not.
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There are 297 members of the Hall of Fame, 207 Major League players, 35 Negro leaguers, 27 executives or pioneers, 19 managers and nine umpires.
http://baseballhall.org/hall-famers
There are 295 plaques on display at the Hall of Fame. I don't know which two members are missing plaques or why they're missing.
http://baseballhall.org/museum/experience/plaque-gallery
If Marvin Miller were selected, he would presumably be inducted as a pioneer.
Milo Hamilton was the recipient of the 1992 Ford C. Frick Award, which is given annually to a broadcaster.
http://baseballhall.org/museum/awards/ford-c-frick
The J.G. Taylor Spink Award is given annually to a sportswriter.
http://baseballhall.org/museum/awards/j-g-taylor-spink
The Hall of Fame makes clear that recipients of the Frick and Spink awards are not members who have been inducted into the Hall of Fame.