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Title: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 04:18:41 pm
Footer with the 'Stros lineup:  LINK (http://footer.mlblogs.com/2012/04/24/astros-lineup-424-at-brewers-first-pitch-710-p-m-ct/)

1. Schafer - CF
2. Lowrie - SS
3. JD Martinez - LF
4. Lee - 1B
5. Bogusevic - RF
6. Altuve - 2B
7. Snyder - C
8. Marwin G - 3B
9. Norris - P
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 06:46:14 pm
The Piranha in the six tonight? I like it.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Fredia on April 24, 2012, 07:07:11 pm
its chilly up there
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 07:08:46 pm
The Piranha in the six tonight? I like it.

Honestly, where does he belong in this lineup?  Admittedly I'm showing my ignorance here, but isn't there something to batting him/JD/Lee 3-4-5?
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Fredia on April 24, 2012, 07:11:15 pm
one away
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Fredia on April 24, 2012, 07:12:39 pm
two out
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Fredia on April 24, 2012, 07:14:04 pm
jd walked
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Fredia on April 24, 2012, 07:16:43 pm
no runs not hits inning over
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Fredia on April 24, 2012, 07:19:32 pm
bud just drilled ricky weeks ..retalitation?
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: roadrunner on April 24, 2012, 07:20:04 pm
here we go
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 07:20:39 pm
no runs not hits inning over


Seriously Fredia?!? If you want to do PBP thanks, PBP is appreciated.  If you want to pull this bullshit go to the TZ or something...
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Fredia on April 24, 2012, 07:21:10 pm
did you hear what jd said?
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 07:21:22 pm
here we go

Yep, nice to see Bud dot him right out of the gate.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 07:23:07 pm
Honestly, where does he belong in this lineup?  Admittedly I'm showing my ignorance here, but isn't there something to batting him/JD/Lee 3-4-5?

While you could argue that he's a man without a good spot other than that he has to be in there, I think that on this team, he is a three. However, he's not your prototypical three, so he probably wouldn't hit there with many other clubs. He's still young, so his proper spot will be a challenge as he is a work in progress.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 07:26:14 pm
Bud starting off with a little fire in his belly it'd seem.  Nice innings work!  End 1: HOU 0, MIL 0
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Matt on April 24, 2012, 07:27:34 pm
Fuck the Brewers!
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 07:28:34 pm
Bud starting off with a little fire in his belly it'd seem.  Nice innings work!  End 1: HOU 0, MIL 0

NOtice that Gamel isn't playing tonight, so Bud dotted Weeks. He had to do it. I'm not watching right now. Did HPU warn the benches after that?
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: roadrunner on April 24, 2012, 07:29:16 pm
Altuve just went oppo at Miller Park.  Damn.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 07:29:56 pm
MR. THE ALTUVE with some nice pop the other way!!!
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Matt on April 24, 2012, 07:30:52 pm
So Altuve should be hitting clean up?
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 07:31:26 pm
Wolf just threw a 55 MPH curve to Snyder.  WOW!
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 07:32:25 pm
Altuve just went oppo at Miller Park.  Damn.

The Piranha has some pop in his bat, but before you get all crazy about it, remember that he hit it off of Randy Wolf.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 07:32:51 pm
Wow. My kind of speed!
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Matt on April 24, 2012, 07:33:11 pm
Did HPU warn the benches after that?

I believe JD said there was no warning.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 07:34:36 pm
I believe JD said there was no warning.

Correct, no warning. 

Damn Snyder is slow BTW...

Middle 2: HOU 1, MIL 0
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 07:38:07 pm
The Piranha has some pop in his bat, but before you get all crazy about it, remember that he hit it off of Randy Wolf.

And Carlos put a charge in one the inning before, but couldn't put it out to left center...  Not sure how much weight your argument has in that regard...
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Matt on April 24, 2012, 07:41:08 pm
I think Jeff Luhnow is a big fan of The Altuve.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: pots on April 24, 2012, 07:53:54 pm
He leads the team in slugging so cleanup wouldn't be ridiculous.  After JD, is only 33 points behind him but after that it is Shreefer 128 points behind him.

  The best lineup would be:

1) Mr. The Altuve
2) Mr. The Altuve
3) Mr. The Altuve
4) JD Martinez
5) Mr. The Altuve
6) Mr. The Altuve
7) Mr. The Altuve
8 ) Mr. The Altuve
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Matt on April 24, 2012, 07:59:43 pm
He leads the team in slugging so cleanup wouldn't be ridiculous.  After JD, is only 33 points behind him but after that it is Shreefer 128 points behind him.

  The best lineup would be:

1) Mr. The Altuve
2) Mr. The Altuve
3) Mr. The Altuve
4) JD Martinez
5) Mr. The Altuve
6) Mr. The Altuve
7) Mr. The Altuve
8 ) Mr. The Altuve


Luhnow better have a science lab.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: BudGirl on April 24, 2012, 08:04:29 pm
i do like bud.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: pots on April 24, 2012, 08:05:09 pm
Going to ammend it.  Altuve doesn't really have enough speed for the leadoff:

1) Shreefer
2) Mr. The Altuve
3) Mr. The Altuve
4) JD Martinez
5) Mr. The Altuve
6) Mr. The Altuve
7) Mr. The Altuve
8 ) Mr. The Altuve
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 08:05:50 pm
i do like bud.

Struck out 4 that inning... Ties the HOU record last accomplished by Dotel in the No-No vs. the Yankmes!

ETA: Lucas says it was last done in '04 by Lidge.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: pots on April 24, 2012, 08:06:42 pm
Add Norris to the ever growing list of pitchers tied all time for 4 Ks in an inning.  With this catching duo I think an Astros pitcher will have a good shot at 5 this year
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Fredia on April 24, 2012, 08:10:29 pm
mayve the catchers will improve. altuve 22 hits
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 08:10:48 pm
The 3-1 pitch to Mr. The Altuve looked like a K.  Alas, looped the 3-2 into left center for a single and his 9th multi-hit game!
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Matt on April 24, 2012, 08:11:57 pm
JD just invoked Altuve's pissant status for opposing pitchers.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: BudGirl on April 24, 2012, 08:12:56 pm
finally the astros may have a pissant.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Fredia on April 24, 2012, 08:14:07 pm
dont say that the nick name will stick
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Matt on April 24, 2012, 08:16:36 pm
dont say that the nick name will stick

I think Piranha is the one that will stick.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: EasTexAstro on April 24, 2012, 08:17:08 pm
finally the astros may have a pissant.

I love him, but how was Biggio not a pissant?
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Ron Brand on April 24, 2012, 08:17:38 pm
Pretty special night so far, with Bud's fine first pitch, The Altuve's jack and the 4K inning.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 08:17:47 pm
I think Jeff Luhnow is a big fan of The Altuve.

Funny thing is that on Luhnow's arrival I got the impression that he was anything but an Altuve believer...
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: pots on April 24, 2012, 08:17:52 pm
They've made Wolf work pretty hard.  79 pitches through 4
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: pots on April 24, 2012, 08:18:22 pm
I love him, but how was Biggio not a pissant?

slider away
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 08:18:51 pm
Pretty special night so far, with Bud's fine first pitch, The Altuve's jack and the 4K inning.

So far its been a joy to watch!
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: pots on April 24, 2012, 08:19:09 pm
Funny thing is that on Luhnow's arrival I got the impression that he was anything but an Altuve believer...

Statistically Altuve doesn't stand a chance
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 08:19:18 pm
They've made Wolf work pretty hard.  79 pitches through 4

On 2 hits no less...
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: BudGirl on April 24, 2012, 08:19:50 pm
I love him, but how was Biggio not a pissant?

I don't recall ever hearing him referred that way.  No reason other than that.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Ron Brand on April 24, 2012, 08:22:37 pm
I don't recall ever hearing him referred that way.  No reason other than that.

Biggio was no pissant, he was a team-killing Agent of Doom for the Astros.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: austro on April 24, 2012, 08:24:17 pm
I don't recall ever hearing him referred that way.  No reason other than that.

I don't think you can be a pissant if your talent exceeds a certain level. The guys that are pissants are the ones who don't seem like they should be beating you but are anyway. With Biggio you could clearly understand why he was beating you.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: BudGirl on April 24, 2012, 08:24:40 pm
:)  I like bogusevic also.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 08:24:59 pm
Carlos doing a legit job at 1B this year.  Nice grab by the fence with the spin-and-turn spot-on throw to 3B to hold the runner at 2B.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: 94CougarGrad on April 24, 2012, 08:25:10 pm
Love that double play! Can of corn to right field, haw.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: BudGirl on April 24, 2012, 08:26:11 pm
I don't think you can be a pissant if your talent exceeds a certain level. The guys that are pissants are the ones who don't seem like they should be beating you but are anyway. With Biggio you could clearly understand why he was beating you.

Am I understanding you correctly that fernando vina and david eckstein did not have talent that exceeded a certain level?
Title: End 3: HOU 1, MIL 0
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 08:26:14 pm
And Error-miss with one of the baserunning variety allows his to get doubled off at 2B after the lazy pop to Bogusevic in RF.  End 3: HOU 1, MIL 0
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 08:28:10 pm
Weeks with a nice leaping grab to rob Bud of a hit to lead-off T4.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: pots on April 24, 2012, 08:31:48 pm
Lyles with a no-hitter through 5 (2 walks though)
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on April 24, 2012, 08:32:03 pm
You have to be short to be a pissant. Hell, Vina was listed at 5 foot 9 inches, so he was either a liar or a bigger than average  pissant.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Ron Brand on April 24, 2012, 08:33:22 pm
Am I understanding you correctly that fernando vina and david eckstein did not have talent that exceeded a certain level?

They didn't exceed the talent level of a pissant. They were guys who would beat you and you'd say, "How the hell did that happen?"
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 08:34:18 pm
You have to be short to be a pissant. Hell, Vina was listed at 5 foot 9 inches, so he was either a liar or a bigger than average  pissant.

Fernando Vina was THE pissant. Shane Victorino has a lot of pissant in him too.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 08:36:04 pm
I don't care what JD and Brownie say, I still think that Gamel lowered his shoulder with intent. I know what I saw.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on April 24, 2012, 08:36:15 pm
crap. Ishy with a 2 run homer. the 7 and 8 batters score.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: BudGirl on April 24, 2012, 08:36:38 pm
why is it everytime i start to watch a game the astros give up the lead and end up losing?  i'm really tired of it because it makes me sad.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 08:36:38 pm
I don't care what JD and Brownie say, I still think that Gamel lowered his shoulder with intent. I know what I saw.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Navin R Johnson on April 24, 2012, 08:37:19 pm
Singleton with a monster shot tonight in CC.   When he gets here will be beaten to death with the Killer Js, considering the entire lineup could be Js?  Jordan, Jed, JD, Jonathon, Johnson, JB, Jason, Jose, JA....

Speaking of J's, Jordan Lyles is dealing in OKC tonight.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 08:37:28 pm
Like I said... Carlos is playing some nice D at 1B this season...
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 08:37:46 pm
Travis fucking Ishikawa???? You gotta be kidding me! He of the punch and judy first sacker variety.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 08:38:27 pm
why is it everytime i start to watch a game the astros give up the lead and end up losing?  i'm really tired of it because it makes me sad.

Stick around BG. It's not you.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 08:39:17 pm
Like I said... Carlos is playing some nice D at 1B this season...

Agreed. Carlos is a far better 1B than he ever was in LF.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Matt on April 24, 2012, 08:39:30 pm
Travis fucking Ishikawa???? You gotta be kidding me! He of the punch and judy first sacker variety.

Brett Wallace before there was Brett Wallace.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: BudGirl on April 24, 2012, 08:39:47 pm
Stick around BG. It's not you.

i like bud but bud doesn't seem to like me.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 08:41:29 pm
i like bud but bud doesn't seem to like me.

Wheels just kinda came off this inning...  You're love'll pull him through it though BG!
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: BudGirl on April 24, 2012, 08:43:00 pm
maybe...
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: pots on April 24, 2012, 08:44:48 pm
Wheels just kinda came off this inning...  You're love'll pull him through it though BG!

Quickly puts on the spare
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 08:45:11 pm
maybe...

Oh ye of little faith (but much love evidently...)
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 08:45:44 pm
Quickly puts on the spare

Its all budgirl.  She saved that'n for him!
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 08:47:55 pm
Bud did entice the Peen to ground into a twin killing, which heartened me significantly. And the Peen blows a play in LF to allow JD to score. Fuck you, Peen.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: BudGirl on April 24, 2012, 08:48:35 pm
not sure when i missed it but why are you all calling him peen?
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 08:48:52 pm
Bud did entice the Peen to ground into a twin killing, which heartened me significantly. And the Peen blows a play in LF to allow JD to score. Fuck you, Peen.

And Carlos enticed The Peen to lay out for one (not close), scoring JD and ending up on 2B.  Tie game.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 08:49:13 pm
The Altuve up with a ruinner at 3B and one out. Come on, baby.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 08:49:46 pm
not sure when i missed it but why are you all calling him peen?

If you were BudGUY instead of BudGIRL you'd know...
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 08:50:06 pm
not sure when i missed it but why are you all calling him peen?


Because his head looks like a penis.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: BudGirl on April 24, 2012, 08:50:33 pm
If you were BudGUY instead of BudGIRL you'd know...

oh, now i understand. 
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: pots on April 24, 2012, 08:50:47 pm
The Altuve doesn't take 3-0
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 08:51:08 pm
What dumb ass gave a rookie a green light on 3-0? he rolls over and can't score the run. That's *not* how a good six does it.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 08:51:09 pm
F'in Altuve... (groundout on the 3-0 pitch...).
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: BudGirl on April 24, 2012, 08:51:59 pm
F'in Altuve... (groundout on the 3-0 pitch...).

it would be nice, but i don't think he'll hit them all safely.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: austro on April 24, 2012, 08:52:47 pm
Am I understanding you correctly that fernando vina and david eckstein did not have talent that exceeded a certain level?

Yes.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 08:53:46 pm
Well fuck me. Methuselah goes six tonight, allows only one earnie, lowering his ERA to 2.28, but his bully failed him, so he'll get a no decision.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 08:55:40 pm
Well fuck. A runner on 3B with one out and can't get him home. Sigh. Get used to it. It's going to happen all year.
Title: Middle 6: HOU 2, MIL 2
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 08:56:13 pm
it would be nice, but i don't think he'll hit them all safely.

More about the rolling over one on the 3-0 count (and trying to appease Mr. Happy and Ms. Doe with the f'in Altuve reference).

Middle 6: HOU 2, MIL 2
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: pots on April 24, 2012, 08:57:05 pm
Singleton with a monster shot tonight in CC. 

Just a double short of the cycle
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 08:59:06 pm
Singleton with a monster shot tonight in CC.

Too bad there wasn't something like a TwitVid of the shot over in the BusRide or something...
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 09:00:47 pm
JD is right. Bud needs a third pitch of the slower variety or something that changes planes if he wants to have success regularly against lineups on the third go round. Otherwise, he's a reliever in waiting.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: BudGirl on April 24, 2012, 09:02:24 pm
fudge
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 09:03:40 pm
Who's getting up in the bully? This Brewer lineup is tough. There aren't any real easy outs.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: 94CougarGrad on April 24, 2012, 09:05:05 pm
No, thanks, didn't really need a run recap right now.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Ron Brand on April 24, 2012, 09:05:12 pm
JD is right. Bud needs a third pitch of the slower variety or something that changes planes if he wants to have success regularly against lineups on the third go round. Otherwise, he's a reliever in waiting.

He flashes that curve every once in a while but it's not very good. I don't remember seeing a change but it seems like he was working on a cutter last year that dove to the plate. Not sure I'm remembering completely right though.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: BudGirl on April 24, 2012, 09:05:37 pm
Who's getting up in the bully? This Brewer lineup is tough. There aren't any real easy outs.

f rodriguez
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 09:07:09 pm
Rodriguez finally up in the bully. That's a managerial miscue. Someone should have been up much earlier.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 09:07:39 pm
Rodriguez finally up in the bully. That's a managerial miscue. Someone should have been up much earlier.

Yup...
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 09:08:02 pm
f rodriguez

What'd Rodriguez ever do to you?!?
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: BudGirl on April 24, 2012, 09:09:09 pm
What'd Rodriguez ever do to you?!?

aren't you the funny one today.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: 94CougarGrad on April 24, 2012, 09:09:15 pm
What'd Rodriguez ever do to you?!?

That remains to be seen, but it may be a pre-emptive comment.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 09:09:24 pm
He flashes that curve every once in a while but it's not very good. I don't remember seeing a change but it seems like he was working on a cutter last year that dove to the plate. Not sure I'm remembering completely right though.

I seem to remember an offspeed pitch in progress last season, but I haven't seen it so far this season. Bud has the tools to be a reliever, and I think that is where he ought to be if this club had real other options for the rotation.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: 94CougarGrad on April 24, 2012, 09:11:18 pm
Woooo that was a dirty look from Ishikawa.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 09:12:26 pm
I seem to remember an offspeed pitch in progress last season, but I haven't seen it so far this season. Bud has the tools to be a reliever, and I think that is where he ought to be if this club had real other options for the rotation.

IIRC, the changeup was coming along sorta-okay-ish last season.  Certainly ain't here this season...
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: BudGirl on April 24, 2012, 09:13:29 pm
one more to go bud, one more
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Col. Sphinx Drummond on April 24, 2012, 09:15:08 pm
Damn, damn, damn.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 09:15:52 pm
Get Bud out of there. he can't get through a lineup three times. That's a reliever, ladies and germs.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: pots on April 24, 2012, 09:16:03 pm
I seem to remember an offspeed pitch in progress last season, but I haven't seen it so far this season. Bud has the tools to be a reliever, and I think that is where he ought to be if this club had real other options for the rotation.

Lyles though 7.  6 Ks, 13 groundouts, 1 fly out and a caught stealing.  Given up 2 hits, 2 BBs and 0 runs.  Should be 4-0 after tonight.  
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 09:16:17 pm
Damn, damn, damn.

1-2 pitch, damnit Bud Brad and RedAss for leaving him in so damned long!!!

Edited to change my mind as to the primary culprits...
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: BudGirl on April 24, 2012, 09:16:44 pm
one more to go bud, one more

still one more to go...
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 09:17:41 pm
Lyles though 7.  6 Ks, 13 groundouts, 1 fly out and a caught stealing.  Given up 2 hits, 2 BBs and 0 runs.  Should be 4-0 after tonight.  

I don't care what he does against subpar AAA bats. I remained unconvinced that he has a high ceiling. I haven't seen it, and I've been looking.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Navin R Johnson on April 24, 2012, 09:19:49 pm
And Singleton with yet another homer.  4-4 tonight.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 09:20:30 pm
IIRC, the changeup was coming along sorta-okay-ish last season.  Certainly ain't here this season...

Sorry, I was referring to Bud not Lyles.  My bad...
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: chuck on April 24, 2012, 09:25:08 pm
He flashes that curve every once in a while but it's not very good. I don't remember seeing a change but it seems like he was working on a cutter last year that dove to the plate. Not sure I'm remembering completely right though.

He had a change he showed last year and the year before. I thought it looked pretty good at times last year.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 09:27:29 pm
Chuck: you're right. I saw the potential for a dandy changeup last season. He needs to trust it because if he wants to be a starter (and this club needs him to be successful), he needs it to equalize his heater and snake.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 09:30:14 pm
Come on, guys.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 09:31:51 pm
Thanks for playing, Carlos.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Navin R Johnson on April 24, 2012, 09:32:21 pm
shitsticks
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: pots on April 24, 2012, 09:32:47 pm
wow that threat ended as quickly as it started
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 09:33:38 pm
Well shit. It's like I said earlier: get used to it. No situational hitting. Nothing. Bases loaded and nobody out down by five with your three, four and five up and we scratch out one measly run.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: BudGirl on April 24, 2012, 09:34:08 pm
Well shit. It's like I said earlier: get used to it. No situational hitting. Nothing. Bases loaded and nobody out down by five with your three, four and five up and we scratch out one measly run.

at least they got one.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 09:34:29 pm
#rootrootroot
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: austro on April 24, 2012, 09:35:35 pm
Carlos is not boosting his trade value.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 09:36:09 pm
at least they got one.

Thanks to the almighty for small favors. Loe could have pitched out of it too and would have had JD hit his ball a little harder. The only reason that run scored is that Milwaukee traded a run for an out.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: BudGirl on April 24, 2012, 09:37:35 pm
Thanks to the almighty for small favors. Loe could have pitched out of it too and would have had JD hit his ball a little harder. The only reason that run scored is that Milwaukee traded a run for an out.

never understimate this team to not take something that is given.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 09:48:25 pm
never understimate this team to not take something that is given.

True dat.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 09:54:39 pm
CJ with a bloop single to plate the Piranha to narrow the margin to 8-4. Loe is gone.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 09:54:53 pm
Dang, that was a good call by the 1BU...  BTW, 8-3 game and having your pitcher pinch run?!?  Not sure how wise that is (and hope I have to eat my words on this one...).
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 09:57:27 pm
Chuck: you're right. I saw the potential for a dandy changeup last season. He needs to trust it because if he wants to be a starter (and this club needs him to be successful), he needs it to equalize his heater and snake.

Okay, who the hell ARE y'all talking about?!?  Bud? Dude needs a change-up.  Lyles? Dude was born in 10/1990...
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 10:00:19 pm
Okay, who the hell ARE y'all talking about?!?  Bud? Dude needs a change-up.  Lyles? Dude was born in 10/1990...

We were talking about Bud, indeed. Lyles is young, but I just don't see a live arm. I see a guy who's going to have to have pinpoint command, and that is very hard to do consistently.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 10:01:11 pm
What was this manicuring the mound shit? Deal with it, Parra. A little home cooking.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 10:01:26 pm
We were talking about Bud, indeed. Lyles is young, but I just don't see a live arm. I see a guy who's going to have to have pinpoint command, and that is very hard to do consistently.

Twenty-one. 2-1. Give the kid time.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 10:05:16 pm
Twenty-one. 2-1. Give the kid time.

But what does the radar gun say because it doesn't lie? Are you telling me that he's got the potential to be another Greg Maddux? I didn't see that type of command last season. I'm not going to go so far as to predict (and I'm pretty fucking accurate) that he's a AAAA pitcher, but command improvement can be made but it is real hard.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 10:08:25 pm
Kottoras is a bit leaky back there, ain't he? Both scored as wild pitches. What's the official scorer got against pitchers? he must be related to the catcher.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: 94CougarGrad on April 24, 2012, 10:12:27 pm
Slow down, Gomez... the ball's already gone.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: hostros7 on April 24, 2012, 10:12:34 pm
The bullpen hasn't exactly helped preserve any momentum the last couple nights
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: BudGirl on April 24, 2012, 10:15:02 pm
i'm rather wishing i had not asked what peen meant.  i can't look at that mug the same anymore.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 10:15:27 pm
But what does the radar gun say because it doesn't lie? Are you telling me that he's got the potential to be another Greg Maddux? I didn't see that type of command last season. I'm not going to go so far as to predict (and I'm pretty fucking accurate) that he's a AAAA pitcher, but command improvement can be made but it is real hard.

Radar gun is saying 93 this season...

And Mayo added this: LINK (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120410&content_id=28336254&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb&tcid=tw_article_28336254)

"The first time, I saw him in the South Atlantic League [in 2009]," the scout said. "He's settled in now. He's more mature on the mound than I've ever seen him. He can sink, he can cut. His breaking ball was average to plus. His mound presence and confidence, his ability to use his stuff, was the best I've seen him. On Friday, he was a little bit ahead of Shelby Miller."

There was also an article about some excellent improvement in his curve this year, but I can't seem to find it offhand...

That, and dudes 21. Twenty-one. Yes, 2-1!
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 10:16:49 pm
The bullpen hasn't exactly helped preserve any momentum the last couple nights

Maybe so, but the seven spot that Bud allowed hasn't been overcome yet.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: chuck on April 24, 2012, 10:17:29 pm
We were talking about Bud, indeed.

I remember watching him work extensively on the change in the spring of 2010. The pitch had that weird tumble that a splitter has. It really looked like a pitch that would be successful in time.

I would imagine that even at this level there is something lingering in many young power pitchers or guys who as kids were always power pitchers that makes them very hesitant to employ a change. Getting guys out with slow pitches is for pussies.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: BudGirl on April 24, 2012, 10:17:30 pm
Radar gun is saying 93 this season...

And Mayo added this: LINK (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120410&content_id=28336254&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb&tcid=tw_article_28336254)

"The first time, I saw him in the South Atlantic League [in 2009]," the scout said. "He's settled in now. He's more mature on the mound than I've ever seen him. He can sink, he can cut. His breaking ball was average to plus. His mound presence and confidence, his ability to use his stuff, was the best I've seen him. On Friday, he was a little bit ahead of Shelby Miller."

There was also an article about some excellent improvement in his curve this year, but I can't seem to find it offhand...

That, and dudes 21. Twenty-one. Yes, 2-1!

I'd be impressed if he was Twenty, 20, 2-0.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: pots on April 24, 2012, 10:17:54 pm
On the off chance the Astros come back in this one, who is closing?
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 10:18:18 pm
Radar gun is saying 93 this season...

And Mayo added this: LINK (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120410&content_id=28336254&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb&tcid=tw_article_28336254)

"The first time, I saw him in the South Atlantic League [in 2009]," the scout said. "He's settled in now. He's more mature on the mound than I've ever seen him. He can sink, he can cut. His breaking ball was average to plus. His mound presence and confidence, his ability to use his stuff, was the best I've seen him. On Friday, he was a little bit ahead of Shelby Miller."

There was also an article about some excellent improvement in his curve this year, but I can't seem to find it offhand...

That, and dudes 21. Twenty-one. Yes, 2-1!

I hope that we have something, but if we do, it will be something markedly different than we witnessed last year.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: BudGirl on April 24, 2012, 10:20:07 pm
On the off chance the Astros come back in this one, who is closing?

wright
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: BudGirl on April 24, 2012, 10:21:24 pm
I tend to think baseball players are quite attractive, Axford makes me rethink that.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 10:21:28 pm
I hope that we have something, but if we do, it will be something markedly different than we witnessed last year.

Last year. Twenty. 2-0. Youngest player in the minors. Rushed to the majors. 
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 10:22:55 pm
I remember watching him work extensively on the change in the spring of 2010. The pitch had that weird tumble that a splitter has. It really looked like a pitch that would be successful in time.

I would imagine that even at this level there is something lingering in many young power pitchers or guys who as kids were always power pitchers that makes them very hesitant to employ a change. Getting guys out with slow pitches is for pussies.

Maybe so, but my philosophy was you get the bastards out any way you can, and you don't look askance at an out pitch, particularly one that you desperately need to face a lineup a third time.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 10:23:35 pm
I tend to think baseball players are quite attractive, Axford makes me rethink that.

Axford is fugly.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: BudGirl on April 24, 2012, 10:24:16 pm
these brewers are cocky assholes. 
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 10:25:13 pm
Axford is fugly.

Randy Johnson thinks he is quite attractive...  Total aside, but I really wish Morgan'd've had to suffer by that ball going over his head...
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 10:25:42 pm
Last year. Twenty. 2-0. Youngest player in the minors. Rushed to the majors. 

I understand that. But to me he didn't look like a raw phenom who needed to be seasoned a bit. He looked heady enough to be in the show, but was just lacking some oomph. As for that 93, I'll have to see that for myself before I believe it.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 10:26:37 pm
Shitfuck. Matinee tomorrow.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 10:27:19 pm
Randy Johnson thinks he is quite attractive...  Total aside, but I really wish Morgan'd've had to suffer by that ball going over his head...

Speaking of a guy who has a face for radio...
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 10:29:33 pm
As for that 93, I'll have to see that for myself before I believe it.

Don't believe me, believe hearsay from Henry Sosa who was charting a recent game for OKC. LINK (http://www.crawfishboxes.com/2012/4/20/2962596/astros-minor-league-recap)

Lyles was up to 93 with most of his fastballs according to Henry Sosa who was charting the games.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 10:30:46 pm
Don't believe me, believe hearsay from Henry Sosa who was charting a recent game for OKC. LINK (http://www.crawfishboxes.com/2012/4/20/2962596/astros-minor-league-recap)

Lyles was up to 93 with most of his fastballs according to Henry Sosa who was charting the games.

Okay. I'll just have to see it myself before I get excited about it.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 24, 2012, 10:32:48 pm
Speaking of a guy who has a face for radio...

Me?!?  Nah, I have a face that is made for anonymous internet forums...  Go get 'em tomorrow kids!
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 24, 2012, 10:36:00 pm
Who feels good with Happ going tomorrow? I sure don't. Weeks is hitting .800 with a home run. Hart is hitting .462. In fact, four of the guys he's going to face tomorrow have taken him out of the yard.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: MRaup on April 25, 2012, 01:31:40 am
Who feels good with Happ going tomorrow? I sure don't. Weeks is hitting .800 with a home run. Hart is hitting .462. In fact, four of the guys he's going to face tomorrow have taken him out of the yard.

Ain't you just a ray of fuckin sunshine.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 25, 2012, 03:24:35 am
Ain't you just a ray of fuckin sunshine.

I just report the facts. I smell a broom.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: MRaup on April 25, 2012, 08:19:28 am
I just report the facts. I smell a broom.

There are a few posts in this GZ thread that could use some sweeping.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: OregonStrosFan on April 25, 2012, 01:28:58 pm
There are a few posts in this GZ thread that could use some sweeping.

Lemmie just say that an absence of Raup the Younger and Raup the Elder can be seen in a lot of the crapola being posted in the GZ and elsewhere... O SnS Policing Where Have'st Thou Been?!?
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: MRaup on April 25, 2012, 03:01:09 pm
Lemmie just say that an absence of Raup the Younger and Raup the Elder can be seen in a lot of the crapola being posted in the GZ and elsewhere... O SnS Policing Where Have'st Thou Been?!?

I'm slowly coming back around.
Title: Re: Astros at Brewers, 4/24/12
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 25, 2012, 05:25:28 pm
I'm slowly coming back around.

That's the best news I've received all day, although it has been a really shitty day.