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The Void (transacations)
« on: November 04, 2019, 05:36:39 pm »
Free Agents:
RHP Gerrit Cole
RHP Will Harris
C Robinson Chirinos
C Martín Maldonado
LHP Wade Miley
RHP Joe Smith
RHP Collin McHugh
RHP Héctor Rondón

Astros made a Qualifying Offer to Cole.

Declined Devo's $2.825 million club option (though he remains arbitration eligible)

Selected the contract of ML LHP Kent Emanuel, keeping him off the minor league free agent market.

Currently 34 players on the 40 man roster.
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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2019, 06:11:13 pm »
Emanuel had a really good second half in RR as a starter.
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2019, 06:34:00 pm »
Emanuel had a really good second half in RR as a starter.

Will they call him up, or tell him O Come O Come?


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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2019, 06:34:51 pm »
Will they call him up, or tell him O Come O Come?


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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2019, 06:38:07 pm »
Will they call him up, or tell him O Come O Come?


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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2019, 07:16:37 pm »
Kaplan wrote a nice summary piece:

https://theathletic.com/1346900/2019/11/04/astros-offseason-blueprint-why-this-winter-might-be-jeff-luhnows-biggest-challenge-yet/

Aside from the Cole question, catcher and the bullpen loom large as areas of focus.

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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2019, 07:19:14 pm »
Kaplan wrote a nice summary piece:

https://theathletic.com/1346900/2019/11/04/astros-offseason-blueprint-why-this-winter-might-be-jeff-luhnows-biggest-challenge-yet/

Aside from the Cole question, catcher and the bullpen loom large as areas of focus.

Re-sign both catchers. That is the best catching situation we have ever had.
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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2019, 09:30:09 am »
My biggest worry is the front office.  Lots of losses lately most recently Taubman (we all know about that) and, I just saw, Ocampo.  This after previous losses to Milwaukee and Baltimore.  Any thoughts on this?
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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2019, 09:40:27 am »
My biggest worry is the front office.  Lots of losses lately most recently Taubman (we all know about that) and, I just saw, Ocampo.  This after previous losses to Milwaukee and Baltimore.  Any thoughts on this?

Comes with success.  People leave for better jobs all the time.  You're focusing on it now, but it's always happened.  Going to lose more, front office and coaching staff. 
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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2019, 12:24:08 pm »
Yep.  Having the Astros on your resume has never been more valuable.  They should have no shortage of talented and innovative applicants to replace those that left.

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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2019, 03:04:49 pm »
Comes with success.  People leave for better jobs all the time.  You're focusing on it now, but it's always happened.  Going to lose more, front office and coaching staff.

Evan Drellich penned a big article for The Athletic in the wake of the Taubman trainwreck that raised criticisms (some deserved, some not) of the "Astros culture." 

Buried in the article, he telegraphs that at least two front-office employees would be leaving the Astros this offseason, in addition to Taubman, for reasons that are not currently known.  Ocampo, as a special assistant to the GM, would certainly count as one.  If Drellich is right, we can expect at least one more. 

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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2019, 03:33:01 pm »
Evan Drellich penned a big article for The Athletic in the wake of the Taubman trainwreck that raised criticisms (some deserved, some not) of the "Astros culture." 

Buried in the article, he telegraphs that at least two front-office employees would be leaving the Astros this offseason, in addition to Taubman, for reasons that are not currently known.  Ocampo, as a special assistant to the GM, would certainly count as one.  If Drellich is right, we can expect at least one more.

I read it. Quite a hatchet job.
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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2019, 04:00:51 pm »
Re-sign both catchers. That is the best catching situation we have ever had.

Agree.  I'm guessing Maldonado accepts the Astros offer THIS time...

I'm curious about the Miley replacement.  Who will they reclaim this time?
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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2019, 05:36:17 pm »
Agree.  I'm guessing Maldonado accepts the Astros offer THIS time...

I'm curious about the Miley replacement.  Who will they reclaim this time?
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« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2019, 05:38:52 pm »
I see the 2020 rotation as
Verlander
Greinke
McCullers
Sanchez
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I'd put Urquidy well over Sanchez. Sanchez might even get non-tendered.
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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2019, 06:14:18 pm »
I'd put Urquidy well over Sanchez. Sanchez might even get non-tendered.
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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2019, 06:20:26 pm »
Agree.  I'm guessing Maldonado accepts the Astros offer THIS time...

I'm curious about the Miley replacement.  Who will they reclaim this time?

Just throwing this out there, but...are you sure we don't want to re-sign Miley?  I know he was terrible at the end of the year, but he was really good for most of it.  Re-set?  Would he even be willing to re-sign?

As for a reclamation project...Bumgarner remains....intriguing...to me. 
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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2019, 06:25:07 pm »
I'd put Urquidy well over Sanchez. Sanchez might even get non-tendered.

I see the Astros rotation at the start of the season being Verlander, Greinke, McCullers, Urquidy, and Danny Salazar (FA).

I don't see the Astros spending a ton on starting pitching because I think they hope that Whitley will make the rotation at some point during the 2020 season.  So I think that the Astros are going to look for some cheap starting pitching as a stopgap -- Salazar.  And maybe Salazar can be more.  I also wonder if the Astros still see Francis Martes as an option.  He is pitching for Escogito down in the Dominican Winter League.  And of course, there is Abreu who sucked in relief, but is their top pitching prospect after Whitley.  I would also try to resign Aaron Sanchez to a deal with an option, knowing that he won't be available for a good part of the season.

But I think that the Astros are going to spend a ton on the bullpen, which brings me to the next point. 

I think its time the Astros cut bait with Devenski.  They already declined his option and he is arbitration eligible, but maybe they don't tender him an offer.  He has been terrible and unreliable now since midway through the 2017 season.  I don't see how the Astros can have any confidence in Devenski at this point in time.  I'd rather bring in a free agent to replace him.     

Astros have Osuna, Pressly, Peacock, and James.  So they need to sign at least three relievers.  I'd like to see Harris back in Houston.  And MLBTraderumors has the Astros on Lindblom.  I'd also like the Astros to go after Daniel Hudson. 
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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2019, 07:09:03 pm »
I'd put Urquidy well over Sanchez. Sanchez might even get non-tendered.

Sanchez may not pitch again until 2021.
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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2019, 07:16:02 pm »
I read it. Quite a hatchet job.

A hatchet job by Drellich? I'm shocked.
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« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2019, 08:09:39 pm »
I see the 2020 rotation as
Verlander
Greinke
McCullers
Sanchez
Urquidy/Valdez/James/FA

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Sanchez is out until late summer, minimum.

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« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2019, 09:17:23 pm »
Sanchez may not pitch again until 2021.

Yes. His surgery was on sept 16th and the full recovery timeline is 12-14 months. The optimistic timeframe puts him back in play the last week of the season. Which would make no sense. I can’t imagine how tendering him an offer is logical unless they ink home to a multi-year deal.

That said, the Astros saw something in him of some immediate or future value that may have been more than a rental. Maybe multi-year makes sense.
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« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2019, 09:53:00 pm »
Multi-year makes sense, something like Pineda’s deal in Minnesota but with smaller numbers. It’d have to be a non-tender & re-sign. Sanchez should be open to it—what better place to turn himself around?

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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2019, 11:14:03 pm »
A hatchet job by Drellich? I'm shocked.

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« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2019, 08:26:04 am »
Yes. His surgery was on sept 16th and the full recovery timeline is 12-14 months. The optimistic timeframe puts him back in play the last week of the season. Which would make no sense. I can’t imagine how tendering him an offer is logical unless they ink home to a multi-year deal.

That said, the Astros saw something in him of some immediate or future value that may have been more than a rental. Maybe multi-year makes sense.

He had that terrific season a few years ago.  The Astros obviously didn't know the injury existed prior to the deal for him.  I don't think we'll know how the Astros feel about him long term until after the contract situation is done.
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« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2019, 09:43:56 am »
He had that terrific season a few years ago.  The Astros obviously didn't know the injury existed prior to the deal for him.  I don't think we'll know how the Astros feel about him long term until after the contract situation is done.

Don't clubs get to see medicals on guys before consummating a deal? Not being a wise-guy, I'm just not really sure. I thought that was part of the process?

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« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2019, 09:55:16 am »
Don't clubs get to see medicals on guys before consummating a deal? Not being a wise-guy, I'm just not really sure. I thought that was part of the process?

Of course they do. He was healthy enough to fire 6 no hit innings in his first start with the Astros.
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« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2019, 09:58:41 am »
Don't clubs get to see medicals on guys before consummating a deal? Not being a wise-guy, I'm just not really sure. I thought that was part of the process?
Any medical report they likely were to have received wouldn't have had the eventual diagnosis. They initially thought he had a problem with his pectoral muscle. Turns out after a more thorough examination he had a torn capsule in his right shoulder.
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« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2019, 10:17:07 am »
Any medical report they likely were to have received wouldn't have had the eventual diagnosis. They initially thought he had a problem with his pectoral muscle. Turns out after a more thorough examination he had a torn capsule in his right shoulder.

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« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2019, 10:58:27 am »
Evan Drellich penned a big article for The Athletic in the wake of the Taubman trainwreck that raised criticisms (some deserved, some not) of the "Astros culture." 

Buried in the article, he telegraphs that at least two front-office employees would be leaving the Astros this offseason, in addition to Taubman, for reasons that are not currently known.  Ocampo, as a special assistant to the GM, would certainly count as one.  If Drellich is right, we can expect at least one more.

Per Kaplan, Eve Rosenbaum, Manager of International Scouting , is the other.