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« on: February 26, 2007, 11:41:50 am »
Nate Silver at Baseball Prospectus has put together a graphical representation of the  Defensive Spectrum .  

I'm a little unclear if he based this on historical data or his own gut feel, but either way, it's kind of interesting.  I noticed that none of the switches that Biggio has made (except CF->LF) are on there.
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« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2007, 12:01:58 pm »
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Nate Silver at Baseball Prospectus has put together a graphical representation of the  Defensive Spectrum .  

I'm a little unclear if he based this on historical data or his own gut feel, but either way, it's kind of interesting.  I noticed that none of the switches that Biggio has made (except CF->LF) are on there.





You wont, because "...there?s no way to represent that without messing up the chart?s feng shui."

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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2007, 12:30:48 pm »
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2007, 03:31:23 pm »
Or Berkman going from Corner OFer to CF... I think that has happend on numerous occassions (Corner OF->CF that is).

Or even Burke from 2B to CF.  I guess the Astros are just trail blazers.

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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2007, 03:45:47 pm »
The hell???
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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2007, 04:08:16 pm »
"I?m not the first person to try and move the defensive spectrum into three dimensions."

This is correct, but not for the reason he thinks.
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2007, 05:50:57 pm »
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Nate Silver at Baseball Prospectus has put together a graphical representation of the  Defensive Spectrum .  

I'm a little unclear if he based this on historical data or his own gut feel, but either way, it's kind of interesting.  I noticed that none of the switches that Biggio has made (except CF->LF) are on there.





You wont, because "...there?s no way to represent that without messing up the chart?s feng shui."





This may be one of the most deeply flawed and misguided information graphics I have ever seen. I can't even decide which part is most horrifying:

A) The fact that it's referred to as being three dimensional, but the information is represented in only 2 dimensions (and even that much is artificial). Oh, and the idea that one of the defensive options for a catcher is to simply get old.

or B) The fact that the author states that the actual information portrayed is entirely inaccurate, but that can't be helped because then it wouldn't look right. (And yet it still manages to look like my dog got into a box of colored plastic arrows and took a shit on a cheap map I'd been saving since the early 80s.)

Actually, I think it's C) The lack of any sort of legend or explanation of what the hell any of this is supposed to mean, combined with A, B, and the conclusion that the guy is pretty happy with the result. It inspired me to make my own exciting 3-D representation of The In-Game Snack Spectrum. There's no data on the y-axis, but it does use the grid from Tron, which is about as awesomely three-dimensional as it gets. Feng shui doesn't have shit on Tron, son.
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Re: Defensive Spectrum
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2007, 05:54:56 pm »
I love how everything on your spectrum eventually leads to flapjacks.  For me, it doesn't make a difference what I started eating when the game started.  In the end, I'm eating whatever leftover pasta, rice, potato dish is in the fridge.  It's not inaccurate to say that I have a problem with carbs.
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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2007, 06:09:56 pm »
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It inspired me to make my own exciting 3-D representation of The In-Game Snack Spectrum. There's no data on the y-axis, but it does use the grid from Tron, which is about as awesomely three-dimensional as it gets. Feng shui doesn't have shit on Tron, son.




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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2007, 06:12:51 pm »
That was freakin' hilarious. Bravo!
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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2007, 06:14:29 pm »
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Nate Silver at Baseball Prospectus has put together a graphical representation of the  Defensive Spectrum .  

I'm a little unclear if he based this on historical data or his own gut feel, but either way, it's kind of interesting.  I noticed that none of the switches that Biggio has made (except CF->LF) are on there.





You wont, because "...there?s no way to represent that without messing up the chart?s feng shui."




This may be one of the most deeply flawed and misguided information graphics I have ever seen. I can't even decide which part is most horrifying:

A) The fact that it's referred to as being three dimensional, but the information is represented in only 2 dimensions (and even that much is artificial). Oh, and the idea that one of the defensive options for a catcher is to simply get old.

or B) The fact that the author states that the actual information portrayed is entirely inaccurate, but that can't be helped because then it wouldn't look right. (And yet it still manages to look like my dog got into a box of colored plastic arrows and took a shit on a cheap map I'd been saving since the early 80s.)

Actually, I think it's C) The lack of any sort of legend or explanation of what the hell any of this is supposed to mean, combined with A, B, and the conclusion that the guy is pretty happy with the result. It inspired me to make my own exciting 3-D representation of The In-Game Snack Spectrum. There's no data on the y-axis, but it does use the grid from Tron, which is about as awesomely three-dimensional as it gets. Feng shui doesn't have shit on Tron, son.




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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2007, 06:15:57 pm »
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Nate Silver at Baseball Prospectus has put together a graphical representation of the  Defensive Spectrum .  

I'm a little unclear if he based this on historical data or his own gut feel, but either way, it's kind of interesting.  I noticed that none of the switches that Biggio has made (except CF->LF) are on there.





You wont, because "...there?s no way to represent that without messing up the chart?s feng shui."




This may be one of the most deeply flawed and misguided information graphics I have ever seen. I can't even decide which part is most horrifying:

A) The fact that it's referred to as being three dimensional, but the information is represented in only 2 dimensions (and even that much is artificial). Oh, and the idea that one of the defensive options for a catcher is to simply get old.

or B) The fact that the author states that the actual information portrayed is entirely inaccurate, but that can't be helped because then it wouldn't look right. (And yet it still manages to look like my dog got into a box of colored plastic arrows and took a shit on a cheap map I'd been saving since the early 80s.)

Actually, I think it's C) The lack of any sort of legend or explanation of what the hell any of this is supposed to mean, combined with A, B, and the conclusion that the guy is pretty happy with the result. It inspired me to make my own exciting 3-D representation of The In-Game Snack Spectrum. There's no data on the y-axis, but it does use the grid from Tron, which is about as awesomely three-dimensional as it gets. Feng shui doesn't have shit on Tron, son.




It's good that there's no data, otherwise I might get the impression that you think Twinkies are superior to Ding-Dongs.

Let's make this perfectly clear: Ding-Dongs rule all.
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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2007, 06:19:38 pm »
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It inspired me to make my own exciting 3-D representation of The In-Game Snack Spectrum. There's no data on the y-axis, but it does use the grid from Tron, which is about as awesomely three-dimensional as it gets. Feng shui doesn't have shit on Tron, son.




You better slap a copyright on that bad boy before somebody jumps all over it.





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Re: Defensive Spectrum
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2007, 06:22:45 pm »
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It's good that there's no data, otherwise I might get the impression that you think Twinkies are superior to Ding-Dongs.

Let's make this perfectly clear: Ding-Dongs rule all.





You're probably right, but I had the feng shui to consider. This really is a difficult medium in which to be both accurate and visually appealing. I like to think of the Twinkies as a gateway snack.
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« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2007, 06:27:48 pm »
Now you just need Fox's   Scooter  to demonstrate the differences between the pork rind and popcorn routes.
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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2007, 06:32:20 pm »
Seems RonVeenstra doesn't like you stealing the image he stole.
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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2007, 06:52:32 pm »
BP is hilarious, and sometimes it is intentional. this one defies description.
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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2007, 06:54:59 pm »
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Let's make this perfectly clear: Ding-Dongs rule all.





In junior high school, my brother and I would haul ass from the bus stop to the house in the afternoon, grab a couple of Ding Dongs each, and then settle in for a Leave It To Beaver rerun, or maybe The Munsters, before we went out to play.  We didn't get fat like the kids today supposedly are, probably because A.) We ran all the way from the bus stop, at least 1/4 mile, and B.) we went out and ran around playing for a couple of hours afterward.

I used to like to eat my Ding Dongs by kind of peeling off the hard outer shell with my teeth first and eating that.  Then I'd eat the cake.  Sometimes it made a pretty big mess, but mmmmmm....

I've gotta say it, though, if you are on a budget, Little Debbie's is pretty fucking good.  Their Devil Squares even kind of remind me of Ding Dongs.  Except they're square instead of round, of course.  And they come wrapped in plain old clear plastic instead of that alien memory metal stuff  that Ding Dongs came wrapped in.

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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2007, 09:31:00 am »
I second the HOF nomination. I'm not the kind of person that laughs out loud very often, especially sitting by myself in front of a computer, but the In-Game Snack Spectrum had me rollin'.
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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2007, 11:04:55 am »
How can you leave out "peanuts and cracker-jack"?  Where's the tradition in ho-hos?

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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2007, 12:11:38 pm »
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Nate Silver at Baseball Prospectus has put together a graphical representation of the  Defensive Spectrum .  

I'm a little unclear if he based this on historical data or his own gut feel, but either way, it's kind of interesting.  I noticed that none of the switches that Biggio has made (except CF->LF) are on there.





You wont, because "...there?s no way to represent that without messing up the chart?s feng shui."




This may be one of the most deeply flawed and misguided information graphics I have ever seen. I can't even decide which part is most horrifying:

A) The fact that it's referred to as being three dimensional, but the information is represented in only 2 dimensions (and even that much is artificial). Oh, and the idea that one of the defensive options for a catcher is to simply get old.

or B) The fact that the author states that the actual information portrayed is entirely inaccurate, but that can't be helped because then it wouldn't look right. (And yet it still manages to look like my dog got into a box of colored plastic arrows and took a shit on a cheap map I'd been saving since the early 80s.)

Actually, I think it's C) The lack of any sort of legend or explanation of what the hell any of this is supposed to mean, combined with A, B, and the conclusion that the guy is pretty happy with the result. It inspired me to make my own exciting 3-D representation of The In-Game Snack Spectrum. There's no data on the y-axis, but it does use the grid from Tron, which is about as awesomely three-dimensional as it gets. Feng shui doesn't have shit on Tron, son.




This still has me laughing!  I think the real problem with the original, though, was that it needs a 4D representation ... that way the mapping from "C" to "Old C" would make more sense.  You could even use th concept on your derivative, say for the move from "beer" to "stale beer" (although that would require a really exciting and distracting game).
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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2007, 12:19:17 pm »
Classic.  A copy now hangs above the cafateria vending machines.  All the engineers laugh.  All the business/admin staff just blankly stare...
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« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2007, 12:28:55 pm »
 
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Let's make this perfectly clear: Ding-Dongs rule all.  




An to elaborate on my comment above, the foreign-born engineers ask, "what's a Ding-Dong?" and all the american-born engineers snicker and giggle.
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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2007, 03:25:29 pm »
I just got off of an extremely frustrating client call, and it fills me with peace and happiness to learn that I have somehow contributed to a bunch of foreigners asking about ding-dongs. So, thanks for that.
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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2007, 06:42:20 pm »
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Nate Silver at Baseball Prospectus has put together a graphical representation of the  Defensive Spectrum .  

I'm a little unclear if he based this on historical data or his own gut feel, but either way, it's kind of interesting.  I noticed that none of the switches that Biggio has made (except CF->LF) are on there.





You wont, because "...there?s no way to represent that without messing up the chart?s feng shui."




This may be one of the most deeply flawed and misguided information graphics I have ever seen. I can't even decide which part is most horrifying:

A) The fact that it's referred to as being three dimensional, but the information is represented in only 2 dimensions (and even that much is artificial). Oh, and the idea that one of the defensive options for a catcher is to simply get old.

or B) The fact that the author states that the actual information portrayed is entirely inaccurate, but that can't be helped because then it wouldn't look right. (And yet it still manages to look like my dog got into a box of colored plastic arrows and took a shit on a cheap map I'd been saving since the early 80s.)

Actually, I think it's C) The lack of any sort of legend or explanation of what the hell any of this is supposed to mean, combined with A, B, and the conclusion that the guy is pretty happy with the result. It inspired me to make my own exciting 3-D representation of The In-Game Snack Spectrum. There's no data on the y-axis, but it does use the grid from Tron, which is about as awesomely three-dimensional as it gets. Feng shui doesn't have shit on Tron, son.




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