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Unchained DQ Time
« on: February 01, 2007, 10:02:25 am »
Ridiculous... that's all I can say

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Re: Unchained DQ Time
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2007, 10:38:19 am »
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"I've got to tell you, you put your body through a lot of punishment and you come up one game short like we did last year, for me, it was a waste of time," Clemens said.



Horrible.  Absolutely horrible.  Fuck him.  One of the greatest pitchers of all time and I don't think I would walk across the street to get his autograph after reading that statement.

What about the 12-13 million he was paid for his "efforts"?  Was that a waste of time?  Is he going to be returning that money to Drayton?  Or is it the least the loser Astros can do for him after dissappointing him so?  It is not only about him (not that he looks at it that way).  It is just a game.  A fucking game.  Both teams try to win and one goes home without the victory.  But he still gets paid regardless.  I'm sooooooooo sorry that the Astros organization wasted your time, you fucking dirty diapered twit.

Please Drayton PLEASE, withdraw any and all offers to Rodjuh and let him take his Skipper/Gilligan act to New York.

Whew.  I feel better now.  Carry on.
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Re: Unchained DQ Time
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2007, 10:38:58 am »
Shutup and quit a-hole.  The sooner you do that, the sooner you will do the team some good by coming to work under a contract that is already signed.  Maybe then the Astros will get something out of your talent without having to stroke the ego, or break the bank, or listen to the NY/Boston Hounds of Hell anymore.  I wish he would make up his mind already.

ETA:  I hope  you go  waste your precious fucking time in NY with your frail-minded friend.  Go Toronto (or Tampa Bay.)
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2007, 10:46:13 am »
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I wish he would make up his mind already.


I think you are fooling yourself if you think he has not already done that.  He is just not telling anyone because he likes the attention he is receiving by not telling.
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2007, 11:03:36 am »
fuck him. i wish the Astros would call him today, tell him they read that piece and bid him a fond farewell.
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2007, 11:12:06 am »
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Clemens' agents, Alan and Randy Hendricks, have been passing along semi-regular updates on media speculation.



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Re: Unchained DQ Time
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2007, 11:12:30 am »
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fuck him. i wish the Astros would call him today, tell him they read that piece and bid him a fond farewell.



Drayton must have one helluva tough stomach to put up with this kind of stuff.

Is the "personal services contract" he has with Clemens revocable?
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2007, 11:13:08 am »
""I've got to tell you, you put your body through a lot of punishment and you come up one game short like we did last year, for me, it was a waste of time," Clemens said."

Go away Roger.  Either that, or figure out a way to outpitch Chuck James.
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2007, 11:58:24 am »
Holy fucking shit. Can we go ahead and print up the shirts now? "I played baseball for 3 whole months, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt, 12 million dollars, a vacation every other road trip, the adulation of my hometown fans and constant servicing by every member of the collective broadcast and print media."

And maybe we should print up some variation on the theme for every other poor bastard who wasted their time getting paid to play baseball and came up one or more games short of winning a championship. What a fucking prick.

I hope Alice can get God on the phone so He can guide Roger's sorry ass out of town, like yesterday. Perhaps the Yankees could get Selig to sign off on a contractual stipulation that requires the Yankees to automatically go to and win the Series this year if DQ gets on board by, say, late August or so. That way, we don't waste any more of his precious fucking time.

I hope he suffers 3rd degree peroxide burns on his enormous melon the next time he gets his pretty little tips frosted.
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Re: Unchained DQ Time
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2007, 11:58:49 am »
I understand the anger, but I hope we're not seriously going the criticize him for losing a start where he gave up 1 earned run in six innings.
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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2007, 12:02:49 pm »
Would the responses be different if her were under contract to pitch this year for the Astros, instead of being to object of affection in a baseball love triangle?

It sounded to me like a guy who hates to lose.  Maybe he didn't put it the best way, but that was the intent I took from the comment.

ETA: make that a love quadrangle.  
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2007, 12:12:27 pm »
Can we criticize him for not showing up earlier in the season?  Maybe he could have won one of those games and the Astros would have made the playoffs.

He made a shitty comment.
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Re: Unchained DQ Time
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2007, 12:25:11 pm »
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Would the responses be different if her were under contract to pitch this year for the Astros, instead of being to object of affection in a baseball love triangle?

It sounded to me like a guy who hates to lose.  Maybe he didn't put it the best way, but that was the intent I took from the comment.

ETA: make that a love quadrangle.  



Oh, I see that as well but what gets me are the following comments:

"Saying that he believes he can still pitch at a high level, Clemens said his decision to walk away would likely be much easier if not for the phone calls he has received from teammates in New York, Houston and Boston, all urging him to come back for one more year."

"I hope that they all get off to a great start and I can just fade away, and come and watch some ballgames up here [in New York]. I don't think it's going to happen."

Those smack of drama and insecurity.  The first, I can't ignore the adulation and demands of my peers.  The second, if one should falter, I'll have to ride in to save the day.  

and then the capper:

"I wish it was an easy decision. I'm failing at retirement," Clemens said. "Let's just face it; I'm failing miserably at it."

Poor loser, he's only made nearly 40million dollars in his failure to retire!
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2007, 12:25:28 pm »
you are too fucking stupid to matter if you think this. it he signs with the Astros today, he still is an egotistical asshole who thinks that it is all about him, all the time.
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2007, 12:28:19 pm »
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Would the responses be different if her were under contract to pitch this year for the Astros, instead of being to object of affection in a baseball love triangle?

It sounded to me like a guy who hates to lose.  Maybe he didn't put it the best way, but that was the intent I took from the comment.

ETA: make that a love quadrangle.  



Hate to lose?  What kind of a non-sequitor is that?  As opposed to the other guys who don't mind it so much?  Last season, the Hendricks were quoted at the trade deadline saying that the Astros had denied Clemens the chance to pitch playoff baseball by refusing to consider a trade to the Red Sox.  Wish they had, how big of a waste would that have been for the Drama Queen.
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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2007, 12:41:49 pm »
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you are too fucking stupid to matter if you think this. it he signs with the Astros today, he still is an egotistical asshole who thinks that it is all about him, all the time.



And the Astros have helped create this situation with his contract for  the last two years.  They have accommodated his request to be able to not travel as much and to start the season later all while paying him an absurd amount of money. I would say the Astros are reinforcing that it is all about him.
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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2007, 12:43:30 pm »
I wonder how the Astros from last year feel about that comment?  It's a hate to lose all right; hate to lose the spotlight and the extra jack that the playoffs bring.  Nevermind it being playing the 'game you love' sequence used by true baseball players who bowed out gracefully.  Hates to lose = Hates the game and what it takes to perform it at that level for NINE months of a year, but I'll take all the money you can throw at me along with your cameras in my face 24/7. Please go to NY; I think it will end with a smile on  my  face anyway.
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2007, 12:43:49 pm »
no, it makes him even more of an ungrateful, egotistical asshole than he normally is. "waste of time?" fuck him.
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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2007, 12:50:58 pm »
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you are too fucking stupid to matter if you think this. it he signs with the Astros today, he still is an egotistical asshole who thinks that it is all about him, all the time.



And the Astros have helped create this situation with his contract for  the last two years.  They have accommodated his request to be able to not travel as much and to start the season later all while paying him an absurd amount of money. I would say the Astros are reinforcing that it is all about him.



How are we getting around to blaming the Astros for Clemens being an ungrateful, ungracious shit?
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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2007, 12:59:04 pm »
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you are too fucking stupid to matter if you think this. it he signs with the Astros today, he still is an egotistical asshole who thinks that it is all about him, all the time.



And the Astros have helped create this situation with his contract for  the last two years.  They have accommodated his request to be able to not travel as much and to start the season later all while paying him an absurd amount of money. I would say the Astros are reinforcing that it is all about him.



How are we getting around to blaming the Astros for Clemens being an ungrateful, ungracious shit?



Not blaming.  Clemens is egotistical.  I am saying the Astros have reinforced the behavior by allowing the accommodations.  They decided it was worth putting up with the issues to have him on the mound.  I agree with the decision, but you have be prepared for the entitlement attitude that comes with it.
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« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2007, 01:07:15 pm »
oh, please. those accommodations have ZERO to do with whether he will play or with whom he will play. you think the ASTROS created his feeling of entitlement?????????

too fucking stupid
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you are too fucking stupid to matter if you think this. it he signs with the Astros today, he still is an egotistical asshole who thinks that it is all about him, all the time.



And the Astros have helped create this situation with his contract for  the last two years.  They have accommodated his request to be able to not travel as much and to start the season later all while paying him an absurd amount of money. I would say the Astros are reinforcing that it is all about him.



How are we getting around to blaming the Astros for Clemens being an ungrateful, ungracious shit?



Not blaming.  Clemens is egotistical.  I am saying the Astros have reinforced the behavior by allowing the accommodations.  They decided it was worth putting up with the issues to have him on the mound.  I agree with the decision, but you have be prepared for the entitlement attitude that comes with it.



Is he a child?  He says he was wasting his precious time pitching for the Astros. They have to put up with that merely because they were accomodating?
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« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2007, 01:14:50 pm »
I wonder what Bagwell thinks about all this?  I bet you that there is a rapidly growing disdain from within the clubhouse for this shit.  It is going to end badly for Clemens; Drama Queen turns Karma Queen bitch.
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« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2007, 01:22:59 pm »
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I wonder what Bagwell thinks about all this?  I bet you that there is a rapidly growing disdain from within the clubhouse for this shit.  It is going to end badly for Clemens; Drama Queen turns Karma Queen bitch.



You and I may think that, but I'm not so sure the players feel the same way.  Like it or not, our boys are pretty much the same baseball mercenaries you'll find on any major league team.  They spend a lot of time thinking about themselves.
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« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2007, 01:37:25 pm »
I'm sure they do, but none of them can hold a team/teams hostage or induce media frenzy quite like this asshole.  He is likely to set a precedent that even the MLBPA won't agree with because the common selfish player can't watch cartoons at home every other Saturday.  It would certainly save Mr. McLane a lot of trouble to end this circus now.  Revenue may dip a little, but it's a gamble anyway.  The example being set is of the worst kind.  Almost makes you want to not see him in the personal servces contract either.
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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2007, 01:41:11 pm »
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no, it makes him even more of an ungrateful, egotistical asshole than he normally is. "waste of time?" fuck him.



Right. The Astros made his contract the way it was so that he would pitch for them - it's a considered business and strategic decision. They are not some enabling entourage hanger-on, telling him how pretty he looks in his new blouse.

The fact that Clemens continues to demonstrate new and amazing depths of entitlement, self-love and a complete lack of perspective is totally on him. It's not because he had the preferential contract, it's in spite of it. A normal person would speak glowingly of what the Astros did for him, not take a shit on the whole thing. If he got all of that from the club and it's a waste of time, then what the hell are we fans doing?
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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2007, 04:39:42 pm »
hey, Taras: you correspond with Footer. tell her we voted, and as a result of that vote, the Astros must tell Drama Queen to go fuck himself. better yet, tell her to read this thread.
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« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2007, 04:55:42 pm »
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hey, Taras: you correspond with Footer. tell her we voted, and as a result of that vote, the Astros must tell Drama Queen to go fuck himself. better yet, tell her to read this thread.



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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2007, 05:31:42 pm »
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I wonder what Bagwell thinks about all this?  I bet you that there is a rapidly growing disdain from within the clubhouse for this shit.  It is going to end badly for Clemens; Drama Queen turns Karma Queen bitch.



Bagwell introduced Clemens (says Clemens) as ..."a part-time player and the most expensive batting-practice pitcher they've ever seen." (to the kids at the Elite Camp I suppose, does he need an introduction?)
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« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2007, 05:51:04 pm »
Fuck him, and the horse he rode in on.
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« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2007, 07:11:38 pm »
Clemens has basically announced that he is gone from the Astros.  If he were REALLY bucking for a contract from Drayton, he wouldn't be saying dumbass stuff like this.

If the Astros wait on him from this point on, it is their own fault.
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« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2007, 07:21:44 pm »
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I wonder what Bagwell thinks about all this?  I bet you that there is a rapidly growing disdain from within the clubhouse for this shit.  It is going to end badly for Clemens; Drama Queen turns Karma Queen bitch.



Bagwell introduced Clemens (says Clemens) as ..."a part-time player and the most expensive batting-practice pitcher they've ever seen." (to the kids at the Elite Camp I suppose, does he need an introduction?)
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That's how Bagwell does it.  He comes at people from the side.



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« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2007, 07:25:42 pm »
What gives you the idea that they're waiting on him?
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« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2007, 07:48:16 pm »
I'm waiting on him... to get lit up in mid-June for the first of many times in the AL East.
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« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2007, 08:23:44 pm »
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What gives you the idea that they're waiting on him?


I'm not saying they are, just that they shouldn't if they decide to.
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« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2007, 09:35:20 pm »
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What gives you the idea that they're waiting on him?


I'm not saying they are, just that they shouldn't if they decide to.



Ok, I think Rajah has been looked at as iceing on the cake for some time now by Pup and company.
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« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2007, 10:18:04 pm »
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I understand the anger, but I hope we're not seriously going the criticize him for losing a start where he gave up 1 earned run in six innings.



No, but there was a pretty crucial late-September game where he got rocked by the Phillies. Or, since everything but the playoffs is such a waste of time, maybe he should look in the mirror and ask who gave up the lead in Game 7 against the Cards on two consecutive pitches. Or who took the ball only to immediately stink it up in Game 1 of the WS.

Normally, those are not things you criticize any baseball player for. But when his team misses the playoffs by one game, and he calls it a waste of time, that's disrespecting the other 24 guys and making himself out to be infallible. Which he is not. And the fact remains that the Astros have had a lot more postseason success than the Yankees the past three years, so he has absolutely no reason to complain.
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« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2007, 10:48:05 pm »
He did pitch pretty well 7-6 2.30 era. And he did help the Astros get to their only Workld Series in 2005. Also for someone not signed to a contract it is kind of nice for him to pitch BP Monday and Tuesday at the prospect camp. I would in addition to pitching BP he may have passed on some tips, advice, or assisted somew of the Astros prospects. ..It be nice if he chose a eam or made a decision of what he is going to do. If he wants to win the Yankees would be a good choice for wins(also a good choice for money), The Astros have a lot of question marks..I'm sure last season was a disappointment to the team goes from going to the World Series to their worse season since 2000. They were in a weak division thats why they were in the mix, their record 15 games behind the Yanks and Mets, 14 behind the Twins, 13 behind the Tigers, 11 behind the A's, 1.5 behind the Cards, 6 behind the Padres and Dodgers.
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« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2007, 12:02:42 am »
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He did pitch pretty well 7-6 2.30 era. And he did help the Astros get to their only Workld Series in 2005. Also for someone not signed to a contract it is kind of nice for him to pitch BP Monday and Tuesday at the prospect camp. I would in addition to pitching BP he may have passed on some tips, advice, or assisted somew of the Astros prospects. ..It be nice if he chose a eam or made a decision of what he is going to do. If he wants to win the Yankees would be a good choice for wins(also a good choice for money), The Astros have a lot of question marks..I'm sure last season was a disappointment to the team goes from going to the World Series to their worse season since 2000. They were in a weak division thats why they were in the mix, their record 15 games behind the Yanks and Mets, 14 behind the Twins, 13 behind the Tigers, 11 behind the A's, 1.5 behind the Cards, 6 behind the Padres and Dodgers.



I would say the reason he's there has more to do with feeling obligated than him being "nice" (plus it's great PR for him).  He is locked in with the Astros for 10 years after he retires, and the article on astros.com implies that's the only reason he will be with the Astros in Spring Training.  

I thought the PS contract didn't start until he was retired, but I'm sure Mr. Bryan Hoch is better informed.
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