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One last item to fill the void? (non-BB)
« on: January 24, 2007, 04:09:53 pm »
Longhorns suing over use of "Saw'em off" Longhorn image:

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Re: One last item to fill the void? (non-BB)
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2007, 04:19:57 pm »
Protect your trademark everywhere, or it might not be your trademark anymore.
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Re: One last item to fill the void? (non-BB)
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2007, 04:25:36 pm »
Any Aggie who complains about this should think of "The 12th Man" first.
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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2007, 04:32:49 pm »
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Any Aggie who complains about this should think of "The 12th Man" first.



Not that I have a dog in this hunt, but the situations are not analogous.  Fyi, the Seahawks settled with A&M by agreeing to acknowledge the A&M trademark, they can still use the phrase,  The Link
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Re: One last item to fill the void? (non-BB)
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2007, 04:41:15 pm »
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Any Aggie who complains about this should think of "The 12th Man" first.



disagree.

this is parody, very much protected.

this aint exactly McDonalds/McDowells.
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Re: One last item to fill the void? (non-BB)
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2007, 04:42:35 pm »
that's what courts are for. stay tuned.
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Re: One last item to fill the void? (non-BB)
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2007, 04:46:48 pm »
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that's what courts are for. stay tuned.



agreed.  they ought to head up to lubbock for this.  no home field advantage.
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2007, 04:48:52 pm »
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Any Aggie who complains about this should think of "The 12th Man" first.



Who said anything about complaining?  Personally, while I enjoy the long standing rivalry in a friendly manner (especially now that it seems to be a little more relevant - read "it's nice to win one every now and then") but the constant references, by A&M, to UT, or it's logo, strikes me as a little tiresome.  On the other hand, when UT won the National Championship, I thought the longhorn with the bandages was a humorous take on Aggies supporting UT as a fellow Texas, Big-12 representative.  But that's just me.
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Re: One last item to fill the void? (non-BB)
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2007, 04:58:52 pm »
Plus, if it's the same article I read (sorry, no time to reread), A&M is supporting UT in the court of opinion.
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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2007, 05:03:01 pm »
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Plus, if it's the same article I read (sorry, no time to reread), A&M is supporting UT in the court of opinion.




They are.  They recognize the need to protect logos and identities.
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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2007, 05:26:32 pm »
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disagree.

this is parody, very much protected.

this aint exactly McDonalds/McDowells.



I must have missed the part where the Seattle Seahawks could easily be mistaken for the Texas A&M Aggies.

Protecting your trademark is protecting your trademark.
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Re: One last item to fill the void? (non-BB)
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2007, 05:47:43 pm »
Instead of a law suit, UT should counter with a "Lop-Off" t-shirt with a bunch fingers, of 35 year old men who still wear their A&M rings.
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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2007, 05:53:49 pm »
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I must have missed the part where the Seattle Seahawks could easily be mistaken for the Texas A&M Aggies.

Protecting your trademark is protecting your trademark.



as has already been pointed out the two situations are not analogous.  

in one instance you have a corporate entity directly using the exact same phrase, which had a prior trademark on it.

in one instance you have a member of rivalry modifying a logo, changing its appearance enough that it obviously doesn't represent any official University of Texas merchandise.

the intentions were never to copy, or imply that aggies, or the merchandise being purchased, were longhorns or licensed paraphernalia.  

but indeed, they are simply defending their trademark.  which means, from what i understand, which could be way off, they just need to make a show of defending it for it to not lapse.  which is why TAMU itself siding with UT, as was also pointed out in the article, its a matter of standard operating procedures for universities to back one another in trademark disputes.  

and indeed, as has been pointed out that it will be up to the courts to decide if it was enough of a parody.
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Re: One last item to fill the void? (non-BB)
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2007, 06:29:56 pm »
More important question regarding the Horns...is Kevin Durant the best player in college basketball?
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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2007, 07:04:13 pm »
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Gimme a "hell yeah!"

That UT-OSU game was a classic... got to watch it from the Caesars sports book.
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« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2007, 09:51:04 pm »
no. he may be the most talented, but the best player on UT is Augustin.
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« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2007, 10:23:46 pm »
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no. he may be the most talented, but the best player on UT is Augustin.


I keep wondering what last year's team would have been like with Augustin at point.  That team had no guards who could get into the paint on their own, or who knew how to make an entry pass to somebody who had position.  Augustin is excellent at both.  He reminds me of UConn's point guard last year (Williams?).

Alternatively, I wonder what this year's team would be like with Tucker available to clean up the boards.  That (along with some defensive weakness, although I see signs of improvement there) is their biggest problem right now.
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« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2007, 11:31:17 pm »
I promise I'm not trying to be a dick, but do you mind explaining?
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« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2007, 12:39:13 am »
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agreed.  they ought to head up to lubbock for this.  no home field advantage.



Well, I don't know. The statue of Will Rogers on his horse is situated so the horse's ass points to A&M.

Or maybe it's just a physics thing, like magnets pointing to true north. Horse's asses always point towards A&M.
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« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2007, 08:53:37 am »
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and indeed, as has been pointed out that it will be up to the courts to decide if it was enough of a parody.




The lopped off horns are certainly a parody inspired by the original. However, if someone is using the altered logo repeatedly in various designs, all strictly for commercial purposes, then they've crossed into another area. UT would have a hard time claiming that the altered logo is hurting sales of merchandise containing the original logo. There could be a court odered cease and desist issued and, even though UT's interest isn't really about the dude making money, UT  might for insist on royalties for every item purchased up to the present. It's about not allowing just anyone to use your logo without consent. UT's interest is protecting it's logo and really must challenge any inappropriate use and any percieved infringment.
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Re: One last item to fill the void? (non-BB)
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2007, 09:12:26 am »
Aggies have been buying the original stickers and clipping the horns off for many years, at least since I went to school there in the early 80s. That's obviously ok from a legal standpoint, since they were buying the stickers from the licensee.

There are many items for sale now, with the clipped horns. I don't recall when I started seeing them for sale though; has to be 10+ years.
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« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2007, 09:53:16 am »
It was pretty heavily merchandised when I was there in the 90's so it's more than 10 yrs.  Of course, the student created shirts were much more liberal with copyright material.
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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2007, 01:10:47 pm »
I wonder why UT chose A&M to go after on this instead of OU with the upside down Longhorn logo??
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« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2007, 02:57:37 pm »
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I wonder why UT chose A&M to go after on this instead of OU with the upside down Longhorn logo??




UT is not going after A&M, they are going after a private individual who is in no way affiliated with A&M.  As has been mentioned already, A&M is squarely supporting UT in this deal.
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« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2007, 07:51:52 pm »
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agreed.  they ought to head up to lubbock for this.  no home field advantage.



Well, I don't know. The statue of Will Rogers on his horse is situated so the horse's ass points to A&M.

Or maybe it's just a physics thing, like magnets pointing to true north. Horse's asses always point towards A&M.




Craig, trademark the dead Cardinal NOW.
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« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2007, 08:10:51 pm »
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Craig, trademark the dead Cardinal NOW.



too late, he's going to have to be looking over his shoulder for BLawyersiB's.
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« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2007, 08:22:39 pm »
I understand why UT is doing this- I think that they will probably win, and at the same time I think that it is wrong.

This seems, imho, like something that should be treated as a parody- but I'm guessing the court sides with UT.  Like Jimr said though- that's what the courts are for.
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« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2007, 09:14:08 pm »
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too late, he's going to have to be looking over his shoulder for BLawyersiB's.



The Jake lawyers can come to my fucking house and I'll show them where there are still some red feathers in my backyard. Better yet, I'll get my shotgun and they can watch me make a lot more dead redbirds. Hell, if Fredia will grab her shotgun and come north, we'll have a damn barbecue.
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