BCS Championship Game

[HudsonHawk]

OK, just so I'm on the record, I'm pulling for (but not "pulling for") THE University of Florida.  My mother is about to have a heart attack waiting for this game to start.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

I'm pulling for Ohio State to lose.

[Alkie]

Oh, how I hate Ohio State.

Most classless fans I've ever encountered.  Ever.

[JimR]

i really do not care who wins, but UF is killing 'em.

[JB77]

Last year in Columbus before and after UT won, tOSU fans were so disrespectful that the president of Ohio State had to write an apology letter. That and the fact that Boise St. would be the only undefeated team makes Florida easier to root for.

[Alkie]

We went to the Fiesta Bowl last year on our way to LA for the Rose Bowl and sat in the OSU section in our UT gear.  We were even openly rooting for OSU, because it made us look that much better going in to the Rose Bowl.

What a bunch of drunk, classless, ignorant assholes.  

I've never met a group of "superfans" who knew so little about football.  You genuinely get the idea that they never watch anyone but their own team.  They're trashy, they're ignorant, they're arrogant, and they're obnoxious.

Go read any of the articles about Columbus police preparing for the riots after tonight's possible win.  Find me a SINGLE article about anything similar in Austin last year.  

I've come to hate Ohio State more than OU.  More than A&M.

[drew corleone]

I thought the tOSU fans in Austin this year were really cool. I had a good time fellowshipping with them, despite the lopsided score in their favor.

Anyways... don't really care who wins, but color me surprised that Florida is kicking the crap out of them the way they are.

[Waldo]

Colorado fans are pretty bad, but I've never had first-hand experience with tOSU fans.

[drew corleone]

The one time I went to Boulder they were pretty quiet, considering the ass-kicking their team took. WulawHorn may has a different story to tell about his trip up there.

The Razorback fans I encountered in F'ville were pices of shit for the most part, but my one trip to Lubbock surpassed them all. It was the last time they beat us (2002) and you'd think those guys had never seen their team win. Horrible.

[Alkie]

Oh no, we were with the CU fans in Irving and they're not in the same galaxy as the Ohio State fans.  Not even close man.

[Arky Vaughan]

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Oh no, we were with the CU fans in Irving and they're not in the same galaxy as the Ohio State fans.  Not even close man.

My mother-in-law and brother-in-law live in Columbus, but my wife's family is from Iowa originally. My brother-in-law loathes Ohio State. He pulls for Michigan just because of the rivalry. The people up there are derranged about the Buckeyes in a terribly sociopathic way. Tailgating is something akin to a riot in a prison yard.

[Alkie]

When we were at the Fiesta Bowl last year, we spoke to three completely independent Buckeye fans who honestly told us with a straight (drunk) face that OSU was the best team in football last year and that if they had the chance, they'd have beaten UT and/or USC in the Rose Bowl.

You just had to wonder.

[drew corleone]

You know, they did have a damn good team.

But this game tonight... neither of these two teams stays on the field with any of the last four title game participants... well, maybe OU.

[HudsonHawk]

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You know, they did have a damn good team.

But this game tonight... neither of these two teams stays on the field with any of the last four title game participants... well, maybe OU.

Oh please.  Florida just absolutely dismantled the unanimous, wire to wire #1 team in nation.  Give them some credit instead of sucking your own dick for a change.

[VirtualBob]

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Oh, how I hate Ohio State.

That really looks good in a maize & blue bumper sticker!

[bubba]

What the Big 10 needs desperately is a championship game like the SEC and Big 12.  PLaying and winning that extra game gives that team a surge of confidence.

[HudsonHawk]

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What the Big 10 needs desperately is a championship game like the SEC and Big 12.  PLaying and winning that extra game gives that team a surge of confidence.

Unless they get beat.  That's what the Big 10 is afraid of...that one of their fair-haired darlings, ranked high in the polls, will get beat in such a game and ruin the chances for a BCS trophy.  Say, for example, that OSU had to play Wisconsin in a conference championship game, and Wisconsin won.  Where would that have left OSU in the BCS?  The fact that OSU didn't even have to play Wisconsin is enough to question their whole system.  I mean, if you're not going to have a conference championship, at least make everyone play the other schools in the conference.

[MikeyBoy]

The worst fans I've ever encountered are Razorback fans. I lived in the Bentonville/Rogers area in NW Arkansas for two years and it was an eye opening experience. This was a fan dynamic unlike anything in Texas, the whole state of Arkansas from the time they are born until they die, whether they attended the university or not, live and breath Razorback sports. Everyone of them is so emotionally involved that they exist in this state of ignorant, arrogant, obnoxious self-righteousness and that's win they're winning, with losing comes moral bankruptcy.

I have a lot of specific examples of this, but my wife and I got our first dose a few months after we moved there when the Razorbacks went to Austin to play the Longhorns. Neither myself (Aggie), nor my wife (UH) attended UT, but in Arkansas, if you were from the state of Texas, then you were pro UT. For sake of clarity, we tried to explain to people the dynamics of allegiance with schools in Texas, but this fell on deaf ears, in their mind everyone from Texas was a Longhorn fan and there was no debating it. This all seemed to be perpetuated by this general sense of penis envy for the state of Texas that brewed a hatred for the Longhorns that I have not even seen in College Station. Unless you see it for yourself, you can not truly appreciate the level of anger directed towards UT. Anyway, after the Hogs beat the Horns that day, my wife and I were out running errands where we were subjected to snide comments, horns down, and a general smirk on everyone's face that just screamed, we won, we are better than you. All due to our vehicle still having Texas plates and my t-shirt that had a Texas flag on the front where the pocket would be. The treatment we received surprised us, because we lived in a very nice area, it's not like we lived in the backwoods, dealing with hillbillies, no, this was basically the best the state has to offer.

The experience turned us into Longhorn fans, while we lived there anyway, out of a sense of state pride that, to be honest, I didn't even realize existed inside me until I moved out of state.

[Arky Vaughan]

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The treatment we received surprised us, because we lived in a very nice area, it's not like we lived in the backwoods, dealing with hillbillies, no, this was basically the best the state has to offer.

Of course, "the best the state has to offer" isn't really saying much in Arkansas.

[Limey]

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Oh please.  Florida just absolutely dismantled the unanimous, wire to wire #1 team in nation.  Give them some credit instead of sucking your own dick for a change.

"Honestly, we've played a lot better teams than them," Defensive End Jarvis Moss said. "I could name four or five teams in the SEC that could probably compete with them and play the same type of game we did against them."

[Jacksonian]

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Oh please.  Florida just absolutely dismantled the unanimous, wire to wire #1 team in nation.  Give them some credit instead of sucking your own dick for a change.

"Honestly, we've played a lot better teams than them," Defensive End Jarvis Moss said. "I could name four or five teams in the SEC that could probably compete with them and play the same type of game we did against them."

IMO, there are only 2 teams in the country who when playing their best football could have given Florida a run for their money last night, and they finished the season ranked #'s 3 and 4.

[MusicMan]

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Oh please.  Florida just absolutely dismantled the unanimous, wire to wire #1 team in nation.  Give them some credit instead of sucking your own dick for a change.

"Honestly, we've played a lot better teams than them," Defensive End Jarvis Moss said. "I could name four or five teams in the SEC that could probably compete with them and play the same type of game we did against them."

IMO, there are only 2 teams in the country who when playing their best football could have given Florida a run for their money last night, and they finished the season ranked #'s 3 and 4.

#5 would have been right there with them.

But on the other hand, if Steve Spurrier's squad had the slightest idea how to kick, the Gators never come within sniffing distance of this game.

[Jacksonian]

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Oh please.  Florida just absolutely dismantled the unanimous, wire to wire #1 team in nation.  Give them some credit instead of sucking your own dick for a change.

"Honestly, we've played a lot better teams than them," Defensive End Jarvis Moss said. "I could name four or five teams in the SEC that could probably compete with them and play the same type of game we did against them."

IMO, there are only 2 teams in the country who when playing their best football could have given Florida a run for their money last night, and they finished the season ranked #'s 3 and 4.

#5 would have been right there with them.

Not in my mind.  Beating Oklahoma didn't seem all that impressive to me.  By my count OU was the 8th best team in the BCS.  BSU had a very good season, but IMO there's a drop off from Florida, USC, and LSU to the next level.

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But on the other hand, if Steve Spurrier's squad had the slightest idea how to kick, the Gators never come within sniffing distance of this game.

If's can be found all over.  What if LSU hadn't lost to Auburn?  What if USC hadn't lost to UCLA?...

ETA: This post-season would have so much better with a top 8 playoff format.

[bubba]

ETA: This post-season would have so much better with a top 8 playoff format.



Imagine the farce that would have been if the East coast media people had gotten their way and we had a Michigan- Ohio State rematch for the national championship.  And, Troy Smith should have handed back his Heisman after the game.

[Jacksonian]

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ETA: This post-season would have so much better with a top 8 playoff format.

Imagine the farce that would have been if the East coast media people had gotten their way and we had a Michigan- Ohio State rematch for the national championship.  And, Troy Smith should have handed back his Heisman after the game.

Imagine first round matchups of tOSU/BSU, Fla/Wis, Mic/Lou, USC/LSU.  Three of those four had show stopping potential.


ETA: I thought McFadden was the best in the country.

[Galvatraz]

This is off topic, but does anyone know where to find any footage of that WVU TD in the gator bowl where none of the O-linemen ever move? The fucking center is trying so hard to hold still he falls over halfway through the play and they're still in their stances 10 seconds after the score. I tried every combination on youtube I could think of, but no dice.

[Duman]

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ETA: This post-season would have so much better with a top 8 playoff format.

Imagine the farce that would have been if the East coast media people had gotten their way and we had a Michigan- Ohio State rematch for the national championship.  And, Troy Smith should have handed back his Heisman after the game.

Imagine first round matchups of tOSU/BSU, Fla/Wis, Mic/Lou, USC/LSU.  Three of those four had show stopping potential.


ETA: I thought McFadden was the best in the country.

I think we are seeing more parity in college football.  Auburn beat the teams that finished #1 & #3 but lost to Ark. & Georgia in ugly losses.  They finished the year ranked 8/9 but could have beating any team above them or lost to any of the next 10 teams below.

A playoff system won't happen anytime soon but I hope it happens in my life time (next 40 years or so)

[drew corleone]

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You know, they did have a damn good team.

But this game tonight... neither of these two teams stays on the field with any of the last four title game participants... well, maybe OU.

Oh please.  Florida just absolutely dismantled the unanimous, wire to wire #1 team in nation.  Give them some credit instead of sucking your own dick for a change.

Oh please, yourself, asshole... with yet another of your high-and-mighty takes...

It was a down year in college football. I'm far from the only one that thinks so. The "wire to wire #1 team in the nation" wasn't as good as its two-loss predecessor.

That said it doesn't diminish Florida's title, though you can create whatever strawman you'd like to create, as you're quite adept at it. How you get "sucking my own dick" is even more bizarre then how you get a lot of your shit.

[Bench]

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The "wire to wire #1 team in the nation" wasn't as good as its two-loss predecessor.

Are you really arguing that the team that won, handily, when they played each other in September wasn't as good as the team that lost that game and then went on to lose to two crappy teams? If so, I think that would qualify as "sucking your own dick."

Edited to add: Nevermind. I see now that you are referring to USC. Nothing to see here.

[drew corleone]

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The "wire to wire #1 team in the nation" wasn't as good as its two-loss predecessor.

Are you really arguing that the team that won, handily, when they played each other in September wasn't as good as the team that lost that game and then went on to lose to two crappy teams? If so, I think that would qualify as "sucking your own dick."

Edited to add: Nevermind. I see now that you are referring to USC. Nothing to see here.

God, no. I hope no one thinks I mean that this year's Texas team has any business in a discussion about championship teams. The fact they finished #13 (and lost games to three teams that were each drilled in the postseason) is an indictment of this year's field.

I meant that I thought '05 Ohio State was better than '06 Ohio State.

[Bench]

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The "wire to wire #1 team in the nation" wasn't as good as its two-loss predecessor.

Are you really arguing that the team that won, handily, when they played each other in September wasn't as good as the team that lost that game and then went on to lose to two crappy teams? If so, I think that would qualify as "sucking your own dick."

Edited to add: Nevermind. I see now that you are referring to USC. Nothing to see here.

God, no. I hope no one thinks I mean that this year's Texas team has any business in a discussion about championship teams. The fact they finished #13 (and lost games to three teams that were each drilled in the postseason) is an indictment of this year's field.

I meant that I thought '05 Ohio State was better than '06 Ohio State.

Oh. Sorry for misreading twice.

[HudsonHawk]

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It was a down year in college football. I'm far from the only one that thinks so. The "wire to wire #1 team in the nation" wasn't as good as its two-loss predecessor.
 

See, this is the shit I'm talking about.  You have to turn every discussion of college football into a UT circle jerk.  Well not this time pal.

[drew corleone]

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Oh please.  Florida just absolutely dismantled the unanimous, wire to wire #1 team in nation.  Give them some credit instead of sucking your own dick for a change.

"Honestly, we've played a lot better teams than them," Defensive End Jarvis Moss said. "I could name four or five teams in the SEC that could probably compete with them and play the same type of game we did against them."

I agree 100%. I think that would have been a fun game to watch.

Next year should be a good one, as USC and Florida both return a lot of talent. And if Matt Flynn can step in for Russell, LSU will have a good team, too.
IMO, there are only 2 teams in the country who when playing their best football could have given Florida a run for their money last night, and they finished the season ranked #'s 3 and 4.

[WulawHorn]

Not a UT circle jerk- an absolutely true staement.  OSU 05 would skull fuck OSU 06. Neither team on the field last night was as good as UT 05, USC 03-04, OSU 02, Miami 01 or OU 00.  The weekest national title team of this century so far.  It's a down year in college football but so what, last year was as good a year as college football had seen for some time- look at the 06 draft class- probably one of the best drafts in NFL history. There are no fewer than 20 certifiable studs as rookies. I saw a redraft from 06 and they had Joseph Addai going 18th, and he had a 1,000 yard season, he was great, and he absolutely didn't deserve to go much higher at all.  Tons of talent in that draft, as good as I've ever seen in following the NFL for ~20 years.

Put it this way- I think after the season USC is around 2 or 3.  Last year they were #2. Does anyone think this years version of USC would stay w/in 14 points of 05 USC- I don't and I bet Pete Carrol doesn't think so either.

As to worst fans ever I still have to say CU fans. I've been up to boulder 2x to games and have never had a problem anywhere.  Except boulder.  A guy I tailgate with got his RV tires slashed and katchup and mustard smeared all over his RV- while he was sleeping. Wheeler of course got his ACL torn (I know many will say good riddance, but I don't think it was his fault).  They threw batteries at our band while they were performing.  They gave us the finger walking around, stole hats and flags etc.

I've always heard people tell horror stories like this and figured it was so much shit. I think generally it is. Not this time though, I saw it with my own eyes.  

Put it to you this way if you disbelieve the a-holeness I tell, this year they had 3 sections of their student body removed from the NU game or they would have had to forfeit.

They were hit with tear gas at Mile high stadium in a game against CSU.  They are the most deplorable fans I've ever seen.

From all accounts OSU has some real winners themselves. At least their older fans 30+ alumni were cool from everything I heard.  CU had nobody that I liked, at all, any age.

NU fans hate them and I love NU fans.  I didn't much care for Tech fans (I've been everywhere in the big 12, multiple times) but I never feared for my safety except in Colorado.  I didn't like KSU fans particularly, but no problems, they just aren't really friendly.

NU fan awesome
KU Fans, football and bball (2 times each) are really fun.
MU fans are good (columbia is underrated in my opinion)
CU fans- horrible
KSU- not friendly but not dangerous
ISU fan was always nice.

Tech- don't like- irritating but not too bad
OkSt fun before the game, eskimo joes is cool etc
OU fans I've never had a problem with, but only ever was in norman for a couple of bball games, they won big and taunted a little but good natured- kinda.  
A&M fans- a little myopic but very friendly for the most part unless you are looking to start shit which I don't so I've never had a problem there.
Baylor- I don't know that they have any fans, it's like Austin north for a football game.

I always liked colorado from when I was a kid.  Running of Ralphie is a cool tradition, liked their uni's, cool scenary watching a game etc.  I always liked them and they were my 2nd favorite big 12 team before heading up there.  Afterwards I hoped they lost every game ever.  NU is easily my 2nd favorite conference team now b/c of their fans being awesome, classy and fun.  I root for them over every non UT team in college.

I've heard Michigan fans are great.  I now root for them after hearing OSU horror stories.

Just my thoughts around the big 12 from a fan perspective.

[HudsonHawk]

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Not a UT circle jerk- an absolutely true staement.  

No it's not.  It's the bitter whining of someone who can't admit that his team is not the best this year.  So he somehow has to belittle someone else's accomplishment.  At any rate, this is the end of that.

[MusicMan]

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As to worst fans ever I still have to say CU fans. I've been up to boulder 2x to games and have never had a problem anywhere.  Except boulder.  A guy I tailgate with got his RV tires slashed and katchup and mustard smeared all over his RV- while he was sleeping. Wheeler of course got his ACL torn (I know many will say good riddance, but I don't think it was his fault).  They threw batteries at our band while they were performing.  They gave us the finger walking around, stole hats and flags etc.

I've always heard people tell horror stories like this and figured it was so much shit. I think generally it is. Not this time though, I saw it with my own eyes.  

Put it to you this way if you disbelieve the a-holeness I tell, this year they had 3 sections of their student body removed from the NU game or they would have had to forfeit.

They were hit with tear gas at Mile high stadium in a game against CSU.  They are the most deplorable fans I've ever seen.

In 5 years of attending literally every UT game, CU was the only time I ever asked security to intervene.  Their student section would be an embarrassment to the university, if only Gary Barnett and a host of others didn't have first claim to that.