JD a FA

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i want him

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Why?

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i want him

Not that there's anything wrong with that. Drew gets injured way too much and would be expensive.

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cause hes good at the game of baseball

[DVauthrin]

The great thing about this is the leverage it affords a team looking for a slugger(see Astros) as now you add drew to ramirez, lee, and soriano.    Drew must have really hated LA/perhaps hitting at dodger stadium, because he will not get 33 million over the next 3 years, which he opted out of in his contract.

For the record, drew is easily 4th on that list, and I much prefer the other options.

[stubbyc]

Drew thinks he's less likely to get injured in CF. I don't know how much ground he can cover in CF, but he's very good in RF.

He was healthy in all of '04 and '06 and he missed the last part of '05 for the same reason Everett missed the last part of '04.

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because he will not get 33 million over the next 3 years

well considering hes a better hitter and a MUCH better outfielder than lee i bet a team gives him more than 33 mil. easily

[HurricaneDavid]

I'm glad this wasn't about Deshaies.

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cause hes good at the game of baseball

When he plays, which - in his age 24-30 seasons - is less than 75% of his teams' games, overall.  He'll be 31 next week.

He might average 150 games the next five years.  Or 75.  More than any of the others mentioned, he's a crapshoot.

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cause hes good at the game of baseball

When he plays, which - in his age 24-30 seasons - is less than 75% of his teams' games, overall.  He'll be 31 next week.

He might average 150 games the next five years.  Or 75.  More than any of the others mentioned, he's a crapshoot.

Which is why he won't get paid like the other three, unless an insane GM goes overboard.   I'd expect something like 8-9 mil a year for 3-5 years for drew's next contract.

[Arky Vaughan]

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because he will not get 33 million over the next 3 years

well considering hes a better hitter and a MUCH better outfielder than lee i bet a team gives him more than 33 mil. easily

You contended that Jason Schmidt was too much of a risk because of missing games due to injuries. Doesn't Drew have a track record of being hobbled? Have you considered his injury history at all?

Here are Drew's games played since 1999:

1999 -- age 23 -- 104
2000 -- age 24 -- 135
2001 -- age 25 -- 109
2002 -- age 26 -- 135
2003 -- age 27 -- 100
2004 -- age 28 -- 145
2005 -- age 29 -- 72
2006 -- age 30 -- 146

From 1999 to 2005, he was on the disabled list seven times. And those aren't the only times he's been injured. Here's something of a medical history:

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5/28/06  5:58 PM CT
Drew missed his second consecutive game for the Dodgers on Sunday, due to
right shoulder soreness. The right fielder is hoping to return for
Monday's matchup with the Atlanta Braves.
STATS Says:
Drew is hitting .285 with a with eight homers and a team-leading 35 RBIs
in 43 games for the Dodgers this season.

5/27/06  5:18 PM CT
Drew did not play in the Dodgers' 3-1 win over the Washington Nationals
on Saturday, due to right shoulder soreness. The right fielder is hoping
to return for Monday's matchup with the Atlanta Braves.
STATS Says:
Drew is hitting .285 with a with eight homers and a team-leading 35 RBIs
in 43 games for the Dodgers this season.

11/30/05 8:48 PM CT
The Los Angeles Times is reporting that Drew pays a visit to Dodger
physicians Frank Jobe and Norman Zemel on Wednesday. The evaluation is a
followup to mid-September surgery to clean out his right shoulder and
wrist. Jobe and Zemel had cleaned out cartilage and repaired a frayed
labrum at the same time they operated on the right wrist.
STATS Says:
The shoulder is a greater concern in terms of preparing for 2006. Drew
says he was told he needs four months to heal, and if all goes well, that
would allow a little time to prepare for the start of spring training.
Drew batted .286 with 15 homers and 36 RBIs in 72 games in 2005. He
didn't play after July 3 because of a fractured bone in his left wrist.

9/15/05  2:12 PM CT
Arthroscopic procedures are scheduled for Tuesday, which will clean out
Drew's right shoulder and right wrist. Doctors will also take a look at
the broken left wrist that landed the Dodgers' outfielder on the disabled
list in the first place. That wrist might be the subject of a cleanup as
well. Reportedly Drew will be ready for spring training, regardless of
the amount of work that is done on him Tuesday.
STATS Says:
His 2005 season is over. In 72 games this season, Drew batted .286 with
15 home runs and 36 RBI.

9/11/05  9:33 AM CT
Drew will be shut down for a week after experiencing discomfort in his
left wrist during a batting practice session a couple of days ago. The
outfielder has been sidelined since breaking the wrist when he was hit by
a pitch in a game against the Arizona Diamondbacks on July 3, and there's
a good chance that he won't return this season.
STATS Says:
Drew will be re-evaluated next week to determine if it will be worth it
to take the field before the end of the 2005 campaign. In 72 games this
season, he is batting .286 with 15 home runs and 36 RBI.

8/21/05  11:18 AM CT
Drew continues to recover from a broken left wrist, but he likely won't
be ready to return to the Dodgers' lineup for another 3-4 weeks. The
Dodgers' outfielder has been sidelined since suffering the injury when he
was hit by a pitch in a game against the Arizona Diamondbacks on July 3.
STATS Says:
Drew is productive when he's on the field, but his major league career
has been plagued by injuries. Keep him on your bench until he's activated
from the disabled list. In 72 games this season, he is batting .286 with
15 home runs and 36 RBI.

7/6/05   10:01 AM CT
After undergoing evaluation by a hand specialist, it has been determined
that Drew will not need surgery to repair the broken bone in his left
wrist. The outfielder, who suffered the injury when he was hit by a Brad
Halsey pitch in the fifth inning of Sunday's loss to the Arizona
Diamondbacks, was placed on the 15-day disabled list by the Dodgers
earlier this week, and he is expected to be sidelined about two months.
STATS Says:
Chin-Feng Chen was recalled to fill the void on the roster. With Milton
Bradley and Ricky Ledee also currently out with injuries, Jayson Werth,
Jason Repko and Jason Grabowski should see the majority of action in the
outfield, while Chen and Cody Ross likely will handle backup duties. In
71 games this season, Drew is batting .288 with 15 home runs, 36 RBI and
one stolen base.

7/4/05   8:39 AM CT
Drew will be placed on the 15-day disabled list by the Los Angeles
Dodgers after X-rays revealed a broken bone in his left wrist. The
outfielder, who suffered the injury when he was hit by a Brad Halsey
pitch in the fifth inning of Sunday's loss to the Arizona Diamondbacks,
will be evaluated by a hand specialist on Tuesday to determine if surgery
is necessary. He is expected to be sidelined for at least a month.
STATS Says:
With Milton Bradley and Ricky Ledee also out with injuries, the Dodgers
are hurting for outfielders right now. Drew broke his hand a few years
ago and was sidelined for seven weeks -- don't plan on having him
available until at least mid-to-late August. In 71 games this season,
Drew is batting .288 with 15 home runs, 36 RBI and one stolen base.

6/28/05  11:37 AM CT
After testing out his troublesome left knee earlier in the day, Drew
declared himself ready, and he returned to the Dodgers' lineup for Monday
night's meeting with the San Diego Padres. The outfielder, who missed the
previous five days with soreness and inflammation in the knee, went
2-for-2 with an RBI double and two walks in a 5-4 victory.
STATS Says:
After Monday's game, Drew said the swelling has subsided, but he still is
not pain-free. He's also lost some strength in his thigh, due to the knee
problem. The Dodgers will keep a close eye on Drew and won't hesitate to
give him a day off if the knee acts up. In 67 games this season, he is
batting .278 with 12 home runs, 32 RBI and one stolen base.

6/26/05  11:51 PM CT
The Dodgers are hoping Drew will feel good enough to try playing on his
tender left knee Monday night, when Los Angeles hosts San Diego in a key
National League West matchup. Drew took live batting practice over the
weekend and said he was doing better, but he added that he wouldn't
return to the lineup until the inflammation is gone.
STATS Says:
That isn't a certainty. Drew tended to caution against expecting him on
the field, and he wants to be completely healthy to avoid the swelling
and discomfort that seems to return when the knee is irritated. Drew, who
is enjoying a productive first season with the Dodgers, has missed five
straight games resting his knee. He is a .272 hitter with 12 homers and
31 RBI in 66 games.

6/24/05  11:20 AM CT
Drew continues to be bothered by soreness in his left knee, and the
outfielder is not expected to see any action on defense in this weekend's
series against the Angels, according to Dodgers manager Jim Tracy.
However, Drew could be used as the team's designated hitter. He has not
played since Tuesday and is hitless in his last five at-bats. In 66 games
this season, he is batting .272 with 12 home runs, 31 RBI and one stolen
base.
STATS Says:
A precautionary MRI on Drew's knee revealed no structural damage, but the
Dodgers are being extra cautious. With Milton Bradley also sidelined, the
LA outfield likely will consist of Jason Repko, Jayson Werth and Jason
Grabowski.

6/23/05  12:09 PM CT
Nursing a sore left knee, Drew underwent a precautionary MRI on Wednesday
and was absent from the Dodgers' lineup Wednesday night. The tests
revealed no major damage, and the outfielder should return to action
within the next couple of days. Jason Repko got the nod in center field
in Drew's absence.
STATS Says:
For now, consider Drew as day-to-day. In 66 games this season, he is
batting .272 with 12 home runs, 31 RBI and one stolen base.

5/25/05  12:56 PM CT
Drew, who has been bothered by a sore right wrist recently, underwent a
precautionary MRI on Monday to determine the cause of the discomfort. The
Dodgers' outfielder has some fluid in the area, but the problem is not
serious enough to keep him off the field. He plans to play through the
pain.
STATS Says:
Drew's injury appears to be affecting his game, as he has not homered
since May 7. He's also seen his batting average drop from .273 to .248
over that span.

5/10/05  1:48 PM CT
Drew has been sidelined since Saturday, battling a nasty stomach virus.
The outfielder, who was replaced in the Dodgers' lineup by Jason Repko,
continues to be listed as day-to-day. He should be back in action on
Tuesday or Wednesday.
STATS Says:
Drew got off to a horrendous start this season, but has performed better
of late. For the year, he is batting .273 with five home runs, 13 RBI and
one stolen base in 28 games.

8/26/04  9:52 AM CT
Drew was back in the Braves' lineup for Wednesday's game against the
Colorado Rockies, going 3-for-4 with two runs scored. The outfielder had
missed the team's previous contest after cutting his head on a dugout
railing following batting practice on Tuesday.
STATS Says:
Even though he needed two stitches to close the gash on his head, Drew's
injury obviously is minor. He is batting .307 with 28 home runs, 76 RBI
and 10 stolen bases in 112 games this season.

8/25/04  11:47 AM CT
Although he was available as a pinch-hitter, Drew was absent from the
Braves' lineup for Tuesday's matchup against the Colorado Rockies after
hitting his head on a dugout railing following the team's batting
practice session prior to the game. The outfielder needed two stitches to
close a gash on his head, and he has been listed as day-to-day.
STATS Says:
Drew is not expected to miss much time with the injury. Eli Marrero got
the start in right field, while Charles Thomas took over in left. Drew is
batting .303 with 28 home runs, 76 RBI and 10 stolen bases in 111 games
this season.

8/16/04  12:15 AM CT
Drew missed the Atlanta Braves' game against the St. Louis Cardinals on
Sunday night with a sore right quadriceps. He was injured in Saturday's
game, scoring from first on a go-ahead double by Julio Franco in the
seventh inning.
STATS Says:
Precautionary days off are a good idea here. Drew never has played more
than 135 games in a season, though he is on course to play in as many as
145 contests in a fairly healthy 2004 campaign for the injury-prone
outfielder.

8/5/04   12:15 PM CT
A sore right wrist limited Drew to pinch-running duties in Tuesday's game
against the Houston Astros, but the outfielder was back in the Braves'
lineup for Wednesday's contest, going 0-for-4 with a walk and two
strikeouts. He suffered the injury on Sunday and was forced to get a
cortisone shot.
STATS Says:
Drew is not expected to miss any more time. For the season, he is batting
.303 with 24 home runs, 65 RBI and nine stolen bases in 96 games.

5/6/04   10:09 AM CT
On Wednesday, Drew received treatment from a chiropractor on his stiff
neck and missed the Braves' game against the San Diego Padres. The
outfielder, who has been absent from the Atlanta lineup the past two
days, said he plans to return Thursday or Friday.
STATS Says:
Due to neck and hamstring injuries, Drew has missed seven of the Braves'
26 games this season. He is batting .296 with three home runs, 12 RBI and
three stolen bases.

5/5/04   10:29 AM CT
Drew was scratched from the Atlanta Braves' lineup for Tuesday's game
against the San Diego Padres, due to a sore neck. The outfielder, who was
replaced by Dewayne Wise, hopes to return to action within the next
couple of days.
STATS Says:
Drew has missed some time this season with a hamstring injury as well. He
is batting .296 with three home runs, 12 RBI and three stolen bases in 19
games.

4/21/04  12:02 PM CT
Drew returned to the Atlanta Braves' lineup for Tuesday's game against
the Cincinnati Reds, going 0-for-2 with a pair of walks. The outfielder
had been sidelined for the previous week with a strained left hamstring.
STATS Says:
Drew has had a history of injuries in his major league career, but can be
a solid contributor, if healthy. So far this season, he is batting .172
with one home run, four RBI and a stolen base in 29 at-bats.

4/18/04  1:24 PM CT
Atlanta Braves outfielder J.D. Drew was held out of his fourth
consecutive game with a mild hamstring injury. Drew is considered
day-to-day and should return by Monday.
STATS Says:
Starting Drew should be safe for next week, but this may be the beginning
of another injury-marred season for Drew, so keep a close eye on him.
Drew is batting.185 with one home run through seven games this season.

4/15/04  2:27 PM CT
Drew likely will miss Thursday's game against the New York Mets, but
hopes to return to the lineup for the Braves' weekend series against the
Florida Marlins. The outfielder has been sidelined since suffering a
minor strain of his hamstring on Monday.
STATS Says:
Drew is off to a slow start this season, recording five hits in 27
at-bats. He notched his first home run of the year prior to suffering his
injury on Monday.

4/12/04  6:37 PM CT
Drew was removed for a pinch-hitter in the ninth inning of Atlanta's loss
to the Mets Monday afternoon, an inning after tweaking his left hamstring
on a flyball.
STATS Says:
The Braves' outfielder said he didn't think the injury was anything
serious, but with his injury history, keep an eye on this development.

9/4/03   11:40 AM CT
For the first time in nearly a month, Drew was in the Cardinals' starting
lineup, going 3-for-5 with a double and a grand slam in Wednesday's loss
to the Chicago Cubs. The outfielder had been sidelined with a strained
muscle in his side.
STATS Says:
Drew may not play on a daily basis, as he has struggle with injuries for
most of the season. The Cards would like to have him available, should
they make the playoffs.

9/1/03   7:46 PM CT
It's been another injury-plagued season for Drew, but his most recent
stint on the disabled list ended after just two weeks. On Monday the
Cardinals activated the 27-year-old Drew, who had been suffering from an
oblique strain. He's batting .281 with 12 homers and 30 RBI in just 79
games for the Cardinals this season.

8/16/03  5:22 PM CT
The Cardinals have placed Drew on the 15-day disabled list, retroactive
to August 9. The outfielder, who has a strained right oblique muscle,
will be replaced on the roster by So Taguchi. Hampered by various
injuries, Drew has played in just 79 games this season, hitting .281 with
12 home runs and 30 RBI.
STATS Says:
Orlando Palmeiro likely will see the bulk of the time in right field
during Drew's absence. Kerry Robinson and Taguchi also could get a start
or two.

7/7/03   12:15 PM CT
Drew was absent from the Cardinals' lineup for the fifth straight day,
missing Sunday's win over the Chicago Cubs with a sore right knee. The
outfielder, who continues to be listed as day-to-day, was replaced by
Orlando Palmeiro. Drew was injured in a collision during last Sunday's
game against the Kansas City Royals.
STATS Says:
Palmeiro and Kerry Robinson will see time in right field until Drew is
able to return.

7/2/03   11:29 AM CT
Drew was in the Cardinals' starting lineup on Tuesday, but was forced to
leave after four innings because of soreness in his right knee. The
outfielder, who was replaced by Kerry Robinson, is still a bit sore from
his collision with Kansas City's Ken Harvey during Sunday's action. He
may be forced to sit out a day or two to rest his ailing body.
STATS Says:
Robinson and Orlando Palmiero will fill in should Drew be forced to miss
any time.

6/30/03  2:41 PM CT
Drew was forced to leave Sunday's game against Kansas City after
colliding with the Royals' Ken Harvey on a play at first base in the
second inning. The outfielder strained his right hip flexor and has been
listed as day-to-day.
STATS Says:
Kerry Robinson and Orlando Palmeiro will see time in the Cards' outfield
should Drew be forced to miss some action.

5/12/03  10:43 AM CT
Drew left during the second inning of Sunday's game against the Chicago
Cubs because of stiffness in his back. The Cardinals' outfielder, who was
replaced in the lineup by Eli Marrero, does not expect to miss much
playing time. He is also recovering from knee surgery.
STATS Says:
Drew has played fairly well since returning from the disabled list. He is
batting .302 with two homers, six RBI and one stolen base in 15 games.

4/20/03  1:29 PM CT
Drew has been activated from the disabled list by the St. Louis
Cardinals. The outfielder, who had been recovering from offseason knee
surgery, was expected to start in right field in Sunday's game against
the Arizona Diamondbacks. He batted .368 with a homer and three RBI in an
eight-game rehab assignment with Class-A Palm Beach.
STATS Says:
Pitcher Kevin Ohme was optioned to the minors to open a roster spot. Even
with knee problems all of last season, Drew connected for 18 homers and
56 RBI, despite batting a career-low .252.

4/17/03  4:20 PM CT
Drew continues his rehab assignment with Class-A Palm Beach. The
Cardinals' outfielder, who is recovering from knee surgery, is 3-for-12
in six games with the minor league club. It is not known exactly when
Drew will rejoin the St. Louis Cardinals.

4/5/03   12:26 PM CT
Drew, who is on the disabled list while he continues to recover from
right knee surgery, has been sent to begin working out at extended spring
training. If all goes well, the Cardinals could have the outfielder back
in the lineup within 3-4 weeks. However, they are not going to rush Drew
back before he is 100 percent.

3/26/03  3:07 PM CT
Drew's recovery from offseason knee surgery has been slowed. The
Cardinals' outfielder almost certainly will start the season on the
disabled list and may miss as much as the first two months of the 2003
campaign.
STATS Says:
Until Drew can return, Eli Marrero is expected to take his spot in the
Cards' outfield.

3/10/03  11:00 AM CT
Drew continues to recover from offseason knee surgery, and likely will
start the 2003 season on the disabled list, according to Cardinals
manager Tony La Russa. Drew's action has been limited this spring.
STATS Says:
Until Drew is able to play full time, Eli Marrero, Eduardo Perez and
Orlando Palmeiro should all see some starts as the Cardinals' right
fielder.

2/3/03   11:16 AM CT
Drew, who is recovering from right knee surgery, had a cyst removed from
his left foot in a procedure performed last Friday. The outfielder is not
expected to be ready to return to the Cardinals' lineup fulltime until
May.

10/25/02 7:24 AM CT
After having surgery to repair tendinitis in his right knee, Drew may not
be ready to return to the Cardinals' lineup until at least May. The
injury forced the outfielder to miss some time this season.

10/18/02 7:17 AM CT
Drew underwent arthroscopic surgery on Thursday to remove a diseased
tendon from his sore right knee. According to Cardinals general manager
Walt Jocketty, the outfielder will be ready for spring training.

10/10/02 10:47 AM CT
Drew plans to undergo surgery on his right knee at the conclusion of the
season. The Cardinals' outfielder has missed some time this year because
of tendinitis in the knee. He should be recovered by spring training.

9/28/02  10:17 AM CT
Drew was forced to leave the Cardinals' game on Friday after being hit by
a pitch in the sixth inning. The outfielder suffered bruised ribs and is
listed as day-to-day.

9/7/02   10:01 AM CT
Drew was removed from Friday's game against the Cubs as a precaution,
after he felt tightness in his left quadriceps. He was scheduled for a
day off on Saturday, and hopes to return to the Cardinals' lineup on
Sunday.

7/15/02  10:46 AM CT
Drew has been activated from the disabled list by the St. Louis
Cardinals. The outfielder, who had been sidelined since June 28 with
tendinitis in his right knee, is batting .267 with 12 homers and 35 RBI
this season.
STATS Says:
Drew takes the roster spot of injured pitcher Woody Williams.  

7/1/02   11:05 AM CT
Drew has been placed on the 15-day disabled list by the St. Louis
Cardinals because of tendinitis in his right knee. The move is
retroactive to June 28. The outfielder will be eligible to return after
the All-Star break.
STATS Says:
Mike Coolbaugh has been recalled to take Drew's spot on the Cardinals'
roster.

4/24/02  1:20 PM CT
Drew returned to the Cardinals' lineup for Tuesday's game against the New
York Mets. He had missed Sunday's game with a sore knee.

4/22/02  11:01 AM CT
Drew was scratched from the Cardinals' lineup on Sunday because of a sore
right knee. He was replaced in right field by Kerry Robinson and is being
listed as day-to-day.

3/21/02  3:49 PM CT
Drew left in the third inning of the Cardinals' exhibition game against
the Red Sox on Thursday because of soreness in his right knee. After the
game, the outfielder said he expects to play on Friday. He is day-to-day.

3/8/02   5:02 PM CT
Drew returned to the Cardinals' lineup for Friday's game against the
Twins. He had missed the previous five days with a sprained left ankle.
He had a double and scored a run.

3/7/02   3:51 PM CT
Drew, who has been limited over the last few days by a sprained left
ankle, is expected to return to action with the Cardinals this weekend.
The outfielder said he would be playing if this were the regular season.
STATS Says:
The Cardinals have held Drew out as a precaution.  

3/4/02   5:40 PM CT
Drew twisted his left ankle during a conditioning drill with the
Cardinals on Sunday. The injury is expected to keep him out of the team's
lineup for the next 2-3 days.
STATS Says:
He injured the same ankle while shagging flies just over two weeks ago.  

8/23/01  12:23 PM CT
Drew is now nursing a sore ankle, which he sprained in a game earlier
this week. He is listed as day-to-day for the Cardinals, but does not
expect to miss much time with his latest injury.

8/20/01  12:08 PM CT
According to Cardinals manager Tony La Russa, Drew should be back in the
lineup for St. Louis on Monday against the Reds. The outfielder has
missed the last 12 games with a lower back strain.

8/19/01  9:52 AM CT
Cardinals outfielder J.D. Drew has responded well to Thursday's cortisone
shot in his lower back, but probably won't be available on Sunday.

8/16/01  2:33 PM CT
Drew's return to the Cardinals' lineup is up in the air. He has missed
the team's last eight games with a lower back sprain. He has been taking
batting practice, but may still be over a week away from a return.

8/12/01  10:17 AM CT
Drew had hoped to return from his sore back by Sunday, but will not. He
will sit out on Sunday, even though he said he felt better after working
out on Saturday.

8/10/01  7:39 AM CT
Drew missed his second game in a row Thursday with a strained lower back.
He will likely be out of the Cardinals' lineup until at least Sunday. The
outfielder continues to be listed as day-to-day.

8/9/01   12:09 AM CT
Drew was forced to leave Tuesday's game against the Expos because of
stiffness in his lower back. The injury also forced him to miss
Wednesday's game for the Cardinals. He is day-to-day.

7/31/01  5:43 PM CT
Drew, who missed a month and a half with a broken right hand, has been
activated from the disabled list by the the St. Louis Cardinals. He will
return to the outfield and is expected to bat third in the order.

7/30/01  11:02 AM CT
Drew, who was expected to be activated for Sunday's game against the
Cubs, will instead be activated later this week by the Cardinals. Manager
Tony La Russa said Drew will bat third in the order when he returns.

7/29/01  12:20 PM CT
The Cardinals are expected to activate J.D. Drew for Sunday night's game.
He has been out of action since the middle of June with a broken bone in
his right hand.

7/27/01  12:07 PM CT
Drew began a rehab assignment with Class-A Peoria on Thursday. He was
1-for-3 with a walk in his first game back since suffering a broken hand
last month. He could rejoin the Cardinals as early as Sunday in Chicago.

7/24/01  8:18 PM CT
Drew did not report any pain, but felt a little weak after taking batting
practice on Tuesday for the first time since breaking his hand on June
17. The Cardinals will send him on a rehab assignment within a week.

7/21/01  10:42 AM CT
Cardinals outfielder J.D. Drew had his right hand X-rayed on Friday and
hopes to be cleared to resume batting practice soon. St. Louis manager
Tony La Russa indicated that Drew will be sent on a rehab assignment.

7/17/01  12:47 PM CT
The Cardinals are hopeful that Drew will be cleared to resume baseball
activities after he has X-rays on his broken right hand on Friday.
Manager Tony La Russa expects him back in the lineup in about two weeks.

6/18/01  11:26 AM CT
Drew was hit in the hand by a David Wells pitch in Sunday's game against
the White Sox. The pitch broke a bone in his hand, and the outfielder is
expected to be sidelined 4-6 weeks for the Cardinals.
STATS Says:
Drew was batting .330 with 21 homers and 49 RBI.  

7/15/00  9:27 AM CT
Reports out of St. Louis indicate Drew may be headed to the disabled list
because of his sore ankle. The Cards will wait until Sunday, when Placido
Polanco is eligible to come off the disabled list.

7/13/00  4:06 PM CT
Drew continues to battle a sore left ankle that is preventing him from
running.
STATS Says:
Drew is expected to miss a couple of games and the DL doesn't appear to
be an option at this time.  (RW)

7/9/00   9:57 AM CT
J.D. Drew is unavailable for duty indefinitely because of his sprained
left ankle. He isn't wearing a cast, only a wrap, so he could return
shortly after the All Start break.

4/12/00  5:16 PM CT
Drew missed last night's game with a sore right wrist.
STATS Says:
The Cardinals list him as day-to-day.  (RW)

8/8/99   12:00 AM CT
Was scratched from the St. Louis lineup moments before game time with a
bone bruise on his right hand. He is available to play today.

6/30/99  12:00 AM CT
Drew rejoined the Cardinals on Wednesday and was inserted into the
starting lineup.

6/15/99  12:00 AM CT
Is hitting .250 in 32 ABs 0 HR 4 RBI at Memphis on a medical
rehabilitation assignment.  His 20 days on rehab expire next weekend &
it's possible he will be optioned to Memphis until he regains his batting
stroke.
STATS Says:
Cardinals GM Walt Jocketty has made it clear that Drew will not be
recalled until he gets his stroke back, so an option to Memphis is
possible. Darren Bragg has played well recently, so there's no immediate
need for Drew.

5/28/99  12:00 AM CT
Drew has been sent to the minors on a rehab assignment. There is no
timetable for his return.
STATS Says:
St. Louis GM Walt Jocketty says that Drew will have to do more than rehab
his strained quad -- he'll also need to show that he's regained his
batting stroke. Should we be reading anything into this?  (MO)

5/21/99  12:00 AM CT
Drew has gone on the DL. His strained right thigh muscle has kept him out
of the lineup for most of the last three weeks, and the Cardinals decided
to shut him down and let him rehab it.
STATS Says:
He'll rest for a few days before beginning a rehab assingment.  (MO)

5/12/99  12:00 AM CT
Has missed the last few games with strained quadriceps. He is day-to-day.
STATS Says:
Through what must be a fortunate coincidence, the injury caused him to
miss the Philadelphia series, where he was expected to get some heavy
abuse from Phillies fans.  (MO)

5/9/99   12:00 AM CT
Drew started on Sunday, but was not able to run at 100 percent.

5/5/99   12:00 AM CT
Drew still day-to-day, missed Tuesday and today due to strained right
quadricep muscle suffered in Monday's game in 3rd inning.

5/3/99   12:00 AM CT
J.D. Drew left the game after straining his right quadricep on a slide
into third base. He is day-to-day.

4/26/99  12:00 AM CT
Drew suffered a sprained left thumb on a play at first base last night.
The thumb was swollen afterward, and Drew may not be able to play on
Tuesday. He will be X-rayed today.

[Arky Vaughan]

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Drew thinks he's less likely to get injured in CF. I don't know how much ground he can cover in CF, but he's very good in RF.

He was healthy in all of '04 and '06 and he missed the last part of '05 for the same reason Everett missed the last part of '04.

It's difficult to identify a part of Drew's body that has not been injured in his 20s. Does that look to improve with age?

It's closer to the truth to say that he missed part of '05 for the same reasons Bagwell did and Everett did. He had to get his shoulder cleaned out too.

And before that it's been his wrist, his ankle, his back, his neck, his ribs, his quads, his hammies, etc., etc.

[DVauthrin]

That's the other thing with drew, he may have played in 140 or so games in both 04/06, but he constantly gets nagging injuries and a team has to factor that in/monitor his games played to keep him upright for a full season.

[Arky Vaughan]

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That's the other thing with drew, he may have played in 140 or so games in both 04/06, but he constantly gets nagging injuries and a team has to factor that in/monitor his games played to keep him upright for a full season.

Reading your post drives the point home -- playing 140 games is the gold standard for a relatively healthy season for him.

[schlumburger04]

 

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You contended that Jason Schmidt was too much of a risk because of missing games due to injuries.  

and? i want schmidt too, just not for the cost

 

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Doesn't Drew have a track record of being hobbled? Have you considered his injury history at all?

i didnt know that about him, thanks for the newsflash

[Arky Vaughan]

Also, Drew is represented by Boras.

[stubbyc]

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Drew thinks he's less likely to get injured in CF. I don't know how much ground he can cover in CF, but he's very good in RF.

He was healthy in all of '04 and '06 and he missed the last part of '05 for the same reason Everett missed the last part of '04.

It's difficult to identify a part of Drew's body that has not been injured in his 20s. Does that look to improve with age?

It's closer to the truth to say that he missed part of '05 for the same reasons Bagwell did and Everett did. He had to get his shoulder cleaned out too.

And before that it's been his wrist, his ankle, his back, his neck, his ribs, his quads, his hammies, etc., etc.

Oh I agree that Drew's still more of an injury risk than most, but when healthy he's very very good.

I really don't know how much he will get in this market though. I'd rather have him at 3/30 than the 5/75 Lee seems to think he is going to get.

[Arky Vaughan]

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and? i want schmidt too, just not for the cost

And? And why is Schmidt's injury history a factor and not Drew's?

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i didnt know that about him, thanks for the newsflash

You sure don't seem to have factored it into your evaluation of him. He may be a better hitter and fielder than Lee, but Lee's significantly more likely to start the vast majority of his team's games than Drew. What good's the better player if he only plays two-thirds as often?

[Arky Vaughan]

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I really don't know how much he will get in this market though. I'd rather have him at 3/30 than the 5/75 Lee seems to think he is going to get.

Neither of them should be making that.

[Tralfaz]

Arky, that is the funniest use of the quote feature ever.  I'd quote it, but I'm afraid it would suck up so much band width that I might sink the site.

[Arky Vaughan]

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Arky, that is the funniest use of the quote feature ever.  I'd quote it, but I'm afraid it would suck up so much band width that I might sink the site.

Given the length of it, I think it'd have the same effect even if it were in another language. Maybe I should find the site were the Beltran article was translated at, and see if I can get this one done.

[JimR]

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[schlumburger04]

 

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And why is Schmidt's injury history a factor and not Drew's?

i never said it wasnt, youre just looking for something to argue about

[Arky Vaughan]

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i never said it wasnt, youre just looking for something to argue about

I was just trying to figure out why your immediate response to the suggestion that the Astros acquire Schmidt to eat innings was that he's always broke, but you think acquiring Drew is a good idea and maintain that he's better than Carlos Lee, apparently notwithstanding his injuries. If trying to resolve what seems inconsistent amounts to looking for something to argue about, so be it.

Do you think the Astros should acquire Drew for the $33 million over three years that he'll easily get?

[schlumburger04]

 

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Do you think the Astros should acquire Drew for the $33 million over three years that he'll easily get?

shit yeah id take drew for that price and id love to have schmidt for that too. but both will be getting a whole lot more so it really doesnt matter

[Limey]

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It's difficult to identify a part of Drew's body that has not been injured in his 20s. Does that look to improve with age?

It's closer to the truth to say that he missed part of '05 for the same reasons Bagwell did and Everett did. He had to get his shoulder cleaned out too.

And before that it's been his wrist, his ankle, his back, his neck, his ribs, his quads, his hammies, etc., etc.

I also think he has spinal and testicular deficiences.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

And here I was, thinking that article was talking about Satan's handy work, yet again.  This, right here, is why you don't sign Boras clients.  Willy T might want to pay attention.

Teams JD Drew won't be playing for:
LA Dodgers - Colletti sure seemed pissed.
St Louis - La Bobble-Genius doesn't take to panty-waists
Atlanta - Once bitten, twice shy?
Philadephia - uh yeah, no brainer for Mr. I won't sign in Philly
I'll go ahead and add Houston, thank you Mr Beltran.

Hmmm... Who else is looking for offense?  Maybe the Cubs will pay him.

ETA: Forgot Kenny William's long running history of ridding himself of Boras clients.  Guess that takes the White Sox off the list too.  

[jaklewein]

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And here I was, thinking that article was talking about Satan's handy work, yet again.  This, right here, is why you don't sign Boras clients.  Willy T might want to pay attention.

Teams JD Drew won't be playing for:
LA Dodgers - Colletti sure seemed pissed.
St Louis - La Bobble-Genius doesn't take to panty-waists
Atlanta - Once bitten, twice shy?
Philadephia - uh yeah, no brainer for Mr. I won't sign in Philly
I'll go ahead and add Houston, thank you Mr Beltran.

Hmmm... Who else is looking for offense?  Maybe the Cubs will pay him.

ETA: Forgot Kenny William's long running history of ridding himself of Boras clients.  Guess that takes the White Sox off the list too.  

Yeah, but wouldn't Willy T just respond with, "Yeah, but every player he represents gets overpaid paid.  I like getting paid more than what I'm worth."  Not that I like Boras, because I don't...but he is good at what he does.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

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And here I was, thinking that article was talking about Satan's handy work, yet again.  This, right here, is why you don't sign Boras clients.  Willy T might want to pay attention.

Teams JD Drew won't be playing for:
LA Dodgers - Colletti sure seemed pissed.
St Louis - La Bobble-Genius doesn't take to panty-waists
Atlanta - Once bitten, twice shy?
Philadephia - uh yeah, no brainer for Mr. I won't sign in Philly
I'll go ahead and add Houston, thank you Mr Beltran.

Hmmm... Who else is looking for offense?  Maybe the Cubs will pay him.

ETA: Forgot Kenny William's long running history of ridding himself of Boras clients.  Guess that takes the White Sox off the list too.  

Yeah, but wouldn't Willy T just respond with, "Yeah, but every player he represents gets overpaid paid.  I like getting paid more than what I'm worth."  Not that I like Boras, because I don't...but he is good at what he does.

Correction, certain players get paid at certain times.  Ask Millwood how well his FA situations worked out prior to the Rangers.  I wouldn't call his previous contracts "overpaid paid".  True, players like Beltran and A-Rod set the standard.  Most fail to live up to the hype or contacts of either of those two.

[strosrays]

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It's difficult to identify a part of Drew's body that has not been injured in his 20s. Does that look to improve with age?

It's closer to the truth to say that he missed part of '05 for the same reasons Bagwell did and Everett did. He had to get his shoulder cleaned out too.

And before that it's been his wrist, his ankle, his back, his neck, his ribs, his quads, his hammies, etc., etc.

I also think he has spinal and testicular deficiences.

From purely anecdotal evidence, filtered through sportswriters, no less, it has seemed in the past that Drew, A.) is exceedingly 'injury prone'; B.) is one of those guys who'll sit unless he is absolutely 100% physically; and C.) is none too popular with his teams or teammates, for that reason and others.

He is a gifted player, but hardly the only one.  I think the 'all the other crap' aura surrounding him will scare off Purpura and McLane, before you even get to Boras and all the money he thinks Drew is worth.

After playing a career-high 146 games, Drew is confident enough in his agent, Scott Boras ? not to mention the market ? to opt out of a contract that owed him $33 million over the next three years. Drew has plenty going for him: He?s an excellent right fielder, he walks as much as any free agent and he?s got power potential. Then again, there is the fear of injury and malaise that will chase Drew until he proves otherwise ? for good.

 The Link

Power "potential"?  He's 31.

I've always tried to hold my fire on Drew, aware as I am of my perhaps irrational disdain for him ever since, early on in his career, he seemed to be advocating celibacy as a viable lifestyle choice.

Right.  He probably doesn't drink or smoke, either.

[jaklewein]

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And here I was, thinking that article was talking about Satan's handy work, yet again.  This, right here, is why you don't sign Boras clients.  Willy T might want to pay attention.

Teams JD Drew won't be playing for:
LA Dodgers - Colletti sure seemed pissed.
St Louis - La Bobble-Genius doesn't take to panty-waists
Atlanta - Once bitten, twice shy?
Philadephia - uh yeah, no brainer for Mr. I won't sign in Philly
I'll go ahead and add Houston, thank you Mr Beltran.

Hmmm... Who else is looking for offense?  Maybe the Cubs will pay him.

ETA: Forgot Kenny William's long running history of ridding himself of Boras clients.  Guess that takes the White Sox off the list too.  

Yeah, but wouldn't Willy T just respond with, "Yeah, but every player he represents gets overpaid paid.  I like getting paid more than what I'm worth."  Not that I like Boras, because I don't...but he is good at what he does.

Correction, certain players get paid at certain times.  Ask Millwood how well his FA situations worked out prior to the Rangers.  I wouldn't call his previous contracts "overpaid paid".  True, players like Beltran and A-Rod set the standard.  Most fail to live up to the hype or contacts of either of those two.

Edited to fix grammer:  Could you elaborate on the Millwood subject?  Did he get hosed while under the wing of Boras earlier in his career?

[JaneDoe]

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i want him

Hey buddy---don't ask, don't tell.  Stay in the closet.

[pravata]

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i want him

Hey buddy---don't ask, don't tell.  Stay in the closet.

Considering the player, it was the only context I could think of too.

[Limey]

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Correction, certain players get paid at certain times.  Ask Millwood how well his FA situations worked out prior to the Rangers.  I wouldn't call his previous contracts "overpaid paid".  True, players like Beltran and A-Rod set the standard.  Most fail to live up to the hype or contacts of either of those two.

Wasn't there a kid (pitcher, IIRC) who Boras advised to eschew the draft and go to college because the bonus being offered wasn't enough, then the kid blew out his arm and never got a cent.

Obviously this is anecdotal, but it would be interesting to see whether Boras' spectacular contracts are evenly balanced with spectacular disasters.

[Limey]

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I've always tried to hold my fire on Drew, aware as I am of my perhaps irrational disdain for him ever since, early on in his career, he seemed to be advocating celibacy as a viable lifestyle choice.

You don't get to third base sitting on the trainer's table.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

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And here I was, thinking that article was talking about Satan's handy work, yet again.  This, right here, is why you don't sign Boras clients.  Willy T might want to pay attention.

Teams JD Drew won't be playing for:
LA Dodgers - Colletti sure seemed pissed.
St Louis - La Bobble-Genius doesn't take to panty-waists
Atlanta - Once bitten, twice shy?
Philadephia - uh yeah, no brainer for Mr. I won't sign in Philly
I'll go ahead and add Houston, thank you Mr Beltran.

Hmmm... Who else is looking for offense?  Maybe the Cubs will pay him.

ETA: Forgot Kenny William's long running history of ridding himself of Boras clients.  Guess that takes the White Sox off the list too.  

Yeah, but wouldn't Willy T just respond with, "Yeah, but every player he represents gets overpaid paid.  I like getting paid more than what I'm worth."  Not that I like Boras, because I don't...but he is good at what he does.

Correction, certain players get paid at certain times.  Ask Millwood how well his FA situations worked out prior to the Rangers.  I wouldn't call his previous contracts "overpaid paid".  True, players like Beltran and A-Rod set the standard.  Most fail to live up to the hype or contacts of either of those two.

Edited to fix grammer:  Could you elaborate on the Millwood subject?  Did he get hosed while under the wing of Boras earlier in his career?

Grammer, schmammer!  Hosed?  No.  He definitely didn't land the big fat contracts his agent was demanding.  Millwood historical perspective.

If I recall correctly, Atlanta traded him to Philly for Estrada but also because the rumored demands were for $14/mil a yr.  He had 1 yr left under club control and then an arbitration yr.  He ended up accepting arbitration from the Phils because the market never developed.  He then moved to Cleveland, after 2 yrs in Philly, for a 1 yr contract with lots of contractual clauses to protect Cleveland should Millwood suffer any injuries and not perform.  I'd say those 3 yrs between Philly and Cleveland were at lower values than "overpaid".  Now, his contract of 4 yrs 48 mil, w/ 5th yr option, looks like a bargain, at least that's the indication given the direction the FA market is heading.  

My point being, not all Boras clients get over-paid, although I'm sure that's what he suggests.  Others get reasonable deals (i.e. Drew - although it appears he didn't think it was sufficient - , Pudge and Millwood), others seem to get over-paid (Damon, Ordonez, A-Rod, and Beltran), and still others get exactly what they deserve (Weaver and any other player you see on this    list not "banking").

The common attributes among Boras clients are a desire to get top dollar, not care about where they play, and have no concern about their agent's honesty, as their representative, during negotiations.

[jaklewein]

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Correction, certain players get paid at certain times.  Ask Millwood how well his FA situations worked out prior to the Rangers.  I wouldn't call his previous contracts "overpaid paid".  True, players like Beltran and A-Rod set the standard.  Most fail to live up to the hype or contacts of either of those two.

Wasn't there a kid (pitcher, IIRC) who Boras advised to eschew the draft and go to college because the bonus being offered wasn't enough, then the kid blew out his arm and never got a cent.

Obviously this is anecdotal, but it would be interesting to see whether Boras' spectacular contracts are even balanced with spectacular disasters.

I think you're thinking of Harringon.  I believe Matt Harrington is is full name.  Not sure if he was a Boras client or not but he was set to be the #1 pick out of HS and instead held out...playing in independant leagues, etc.  His stuff diminished a bit each year for about three years and so did his draft status...2nd round....later rounds.  I believe I saw that he finally signed with the Cubs of all teams for next to nothing I'm sure.

[jaklewein]

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And here I was, thinking that article was talking about Satan's handy work, yet again.  This, right here, is why you don't sign Boras clients.  Willy T might want to pay attention.

Teams JD Drew won't be playing for:
LA Dodgers - Colletti sure seemed pissed.
St Louis - La Bobble-Genius doesn't take to panty-waists
Atlanta - Once bitten, twice shy?
Philadephia - uh yeah, no brainer for Mr. I won't sign in Philly
I'll go ahead and add Houston, thank you Mr Beltran.

Hmmm... Who else is looking for offense?  Maybe the Cubs will pay him.

ETA: Forgot Kenny William's long running history of ridding himself of Boras clients.  Guess that takes the White Sox off the list too.  

Yeah, but wouldn't Willy T just respond with, "Yeah, but every player he represents gets overpaid paid.  I like getting paid more than what I'm worth."  Not that I like Boras, because I don't...but he is good at what he does.

Correction, certain players get paid at certain times.  Ask Millwood how well his FA situations worked out prior to the Rangers.  I wouldn't call his previous contracts "overpaid paid".  True, players like Beltran and A-Rod set the standard.  Most fail to live up to the hype or contacts of either of those two.

Edited to fix grammer:  Could you elaborate on the Millwood subject?  Did he get hosed while under the wing of Boras earlier in his career?

Grammer, schmammer!  Hosed?  No.  He definitely didn't land the big fat contracts his agent was demanding.  Millwood historical perspective.

If I recall correctly, Atlanta traded him to Philly for Estrada but also because the rumored demands were for $14/mil a yr.  He had 1 yr left under club control and then an arbitration yr.  He ended up accepting arbitration from the Phils because the market never developed.  He then moved to Cleveland, after 2 yrs in Philly, for a 1 yr contract with lots of contractual clauses to protect Cleveland should Millwood suffer any injuries and not perform.  I'd say those 3 yrs between Philly and Cleveland were at lower values than "overpaid".  Now, his contract of 4 yrs 48 mil, w/ 5th yr option, looks like a bargain, at least that's the indication given the direction the FA market is heading.  

My point being, not all Boras clients get over-paid, although I'm sure that's what he suggests.  Others get reasonable deals (i.e. Drew - although it appears he didn't think it was sufficient - , Pudge and Millwood), others seem to get over-paid (Damon, Ordonez, A-Rod, and Beltran), and still others get exactly what they deserve (Weaver and any other player you see on this    list not "banking").

The common attributes among Boras clients are a desire to get top dollar, not care about where they play, and have no concern about their agent's honesty, as their representative, during negotiations.

Thanks for the update.  That said, I disagree.  If Millwood was under club control for the first couple years then how can you hold that against Boras.  The link you posted regarding Millwood's history says he was injured the year before he signed with Cleveland.  If that's the case, then Millwood did well to go the 1-year route...build his value back up and then sign the large deal with TX.  $12M a year doesn't sound like a bad deal, espcially when you consider it was for 4 years and the player was on the wrong side of 30.  I know you said it was bad based on the current market...do you think Schmidt will get a lot more than $12M/year?  I guess I didn't figure he'd go for that much.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

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Thanks for the update.  That said, I disagree.  If Millwood was under club control for the first couple years then how can you hold that against Boras.  The link you posted regarding Millwood's history says he was injured the year before he signed with Cleveland.  If that's the case, then Millwood did well to go the 1-year route...build his value back up and then sign the large deal with TX.  $12M a year doesn't sound like a bad deal, espcially when you consider it was for 4 years and the player was on the wrong side of 30.  I know you said it was bad based on the current market...do you think Schmidt will get a lot more than $12M/year?  I guess I didn't figure he'd go for that much.

Sorry, that thread is getting too long to continue quoting the entire thing (and yes, that's my own long winded fault).  Don't get me wrong, those weren't "bad" deals for Millwood or the teams they just weren't outrageous deals for Millwood.  

I don't think Texas' deal with Millwood is bad either, especially given what less talented, less proven pitchers are going to get this off-season.  Even looking at last year, AJ Burnett at 5yr, 55 million. Burnett is talented, without doubt, but production wise offers far less than $1mil less value than Millwood.  That's the difference in their annual salaries.  Burnett k's alot of hitters but can't stay healthy for more than a year or two.  

I'm aware of Millwood's injury history.  That happened in the under arbitration contract with Philly, but that year was not under club control, only the first year in Philly was under club control.  He could have declined arbitration and become a FA but chose to accept arbitration because other team's weren't calling.  Maybe that was because of the injury concerns.  Maybe it was because no one wanted to ante up to Boras' contract demands for his client.  It's all speculation.  Either way, the only thing we know is his agent didn't get paid the first (arbitration yr), second (injury year signed with cleveland), or third time (landing in Texas for 4 and 48mil) he had a chance to bust the bank.

I'm not condoning Boras or dismissing the criticism of him as unfair.  I think it's incredibly fair.  And I think the hype surrounding the big money deals Boras lands for his clients is over-stated, making his tactics even less excusable.

I suspect Millwood's deal is the starting point for any team serious about Schmidt.  I suspect the interest in Zito is not as strong as Boras would like.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

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It's difficult to identify a part of Drew's body that has not been injured in his 20s. Does that look to improve with age?

It's closer to the truth to say that he missed part of '05 for the same reasons Bagwell did and Everett did. He had to get his shoulder cleaned out too.

And before that it's been his wrist, his ankle, his back, his neck, his ribs, his quads, his hammies, etc., etc.

I also think he has spinal and testicular deficiences.

Not to mention, his hormonal imbalance and weak abdominal wall.

[HudsonHawk]

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I think you're thinking of Harringon.  I believe Matt Harrington is is full name.  Not sure if he was a Boras client or not but he was set to be the #1 pick out of HS and instead held out...playing in independant leagues, etc.  His stuff diminished a bit each year for about three years and so did his draft status...2nd round....later rounds.  I believe I saw that he finally signed with the Cubs of all teams for next to nothing I'm sure.

That indeed is Matt Harrington, but Boras was not his agent, at least not then.  It was Tommy Tanzer.  Harrington was the first overall pick in the 2000 draft, and demanded a signing bonus of $4.9 million.  The Rockies offered $4 million and a guaranteed Major League callup, Harrington turned them down.  He was drafted again in 2001 by the Padres and demanded $2.5 million.  The Pads offered him $1.2 million.  He turned that down, and went back into the draft in 2002, where he was selected in the Devil Rays in the 13th round.  They offered $200,000, and he turned that down.  By this time Harrington had fired Tanzer and replaced him with Boras.  In 2003, he was selected in the 24th round by the Reds who did not offer him a signing bonus.  He, of course, turned that down.  In 2004 he was selected in the 39th round by the Yankees, but they refused to offer him a contract even.  He went undrafted in 2005, finally becoming a free agent, which he sought to be all along.  No team would sign him in 2005, and he went undrafted again in 2006.  He finally signed a few weeks ago with the Cubs as an undrafted free agent for the minor league minimum, with no signing bonus.  He is without a doubt, the single most self-wasted potential in Major League history.

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Pretty fucking stupid too, sounds like.

[Lefty]

7th overall, HH.

Couple of good article on him:

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[HudsonHawk]

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Ooops.  Thanks for the pick me up.

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I think you're thinking of Harringon.  I believe Matt Harrington is is full name.  Not sure if he was a Boras client or not but he was set to be the #1 pick out of HS and instead held out...playing in independant leagues, etc.  His stuff diminished a bit each year for about three years and so did his draft status...2nd round....later rounds.  I believe I saw that he finally signed with the Cubs of all teams for next to nothing I'm sure.

That indeed is Matt Harrington, but Boras was not his agent, at least not then.  It was Tommy Tanzer.  Harrington was the first overall pick in the 2000 draft, and demanded a signing bonus of $4.9 million.  The Rockies offered $4 million and a guaranteed Major League callup, Harrington turned them down.  He was drafted again in 2001 by the Padres and demanded $2.5 million.  The Pads offered him $1.2 million.  He turned that down, and went back into the draft in 2002, where he was selected in the Devil Rays in the 13th round.  They offered $200,000, and he turned that down.  By this time Harrington had fired Tanzer and replaced him with Boras.  In 2003, he was selected in the 24th round by the Reds who did not offer him a signing bonus.  He, of course, turned that down.  In 2004 he was selected in the 39th round by the Yankees, but they refused to offer him a contract even.  He went undrafted in 2005, finally becoming a free agent, which he sought to be all along.  No team would sign him in 2005, and he went undrafted again in 2006.  He finally signed a few weeks ago with the Cubs as an undrafted free agent for the minor league minimum, with no signing bonus.  He is without a doubt, the single most self-wasted potential in Major League history.

Nice recap HH.  Wonder how that's effected Tanzer's size of clientele since then?

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Nice recap HH.  Wonder how that's effected Tanzer's size of clientele since then?

I did a little research.  It seems Mr. Tanzer sold his agency in 2004...the name of which is now CSMG Sports.  Here's their testimonial page:  The Link

Notice Matt Harrington isn't present.  Hmmmm, wonder why?

[das]

 Showing my backside here, but, "opted out of his contract"?  Can any player do that?  I thought it was "work according to your contract or get a job out of baseball"...

[austro]

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Showing my backside here, but, "opted out of his contract"?  Can any player do that?  I thought it was "work according to your contract or get a job out of baseball"...

Depends on the terms of the contract.  Lots of contracts have team and/or player options for additional years.  Apparently this contract made the player's option available unusually early.

In my opinion, it's just further evidence that Drew is the kind of personality that the Astros would do well to steer clear of.  He probably knew that he'd wear out his welcome in LA within two years, just as he has everywhere else, so he made sure he had the option to bail.  I think it would be hilarious if the Cubs gave him something 4 years/$48M and then watched him sit on the bench for 100 games a year, which -- given his history and age -- appears just as likely as not.

[das]

That's right, I forgot about club and/or player exercised options.  Thanks for the pick-me-up.

[Limey]

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That indeed is Matt Harrington, but Boras was not his agent, at least not then.  It was Tommy Tanzer.  Harrington was the first overall pick in the 2000 draft, and demanded a signing bonus of $4.9 million.  The Rockies offered $4 million and a guaranteed Major League callup, Harrington turned them down.  He was drafted again in 2001 by the Padres and demanded $2.5 million.  The Pads offered him $1.2 million.  He turned that down, and went back into the draft in 2002, where he was selected in the Devil Rays in the 13th round.  They offered $200,000, and he turned that down.  By this time Harrington had fired Tanzer and replaced him with Boras.  In 2003, he was selected in the 24th round by the Reds who did not offer him a signing bonus.  He, of course, turned that down.  In 2004 he was selected in the 39th round by the Yankees, but they refused to offer him a contract even.  He went undrafted in 2005, finally becoming a free agent, which he sought to be all along.  No team would sign him in 2005, and he went undrafted again in 2006.  He finally signed a few weeks ago with the Cubs as an undrafted free agent for the minor league minimum, with no signing bonus.  He is without a doubt, the single most self-wasted potential in Major League history.

No one has ever kicked opportunity so squarely in the bollix since The Commitments.

[austro]

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No one has ever kicked opportunity so squarely in the bollix since The Commitments.

He's an animal, but he's our animal.

[No? in Austin]

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i want him

Hey buddy---don't ask, don't tell.  Stay in the closet.

Considering the player, it was the only context I could think of too.

Obviously you're a man who knows nothing about value... fantasy (ahum baseball) no less!

[BUWebguy]

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I'm glad this wasn't about Deshaies.

That was my first thought, too.

[Jose Cruz III]

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And here I was, thinking that article was talking about Satan's handy work, yet again.  This, right here, is why you don't sign Boras clients.  Willy T might want to pay attention.

Teams JD Drew won't be playing for:
LA Dodgers - Colletti sure seemed pissed.
St Louis - La Bobble-Genius doesn't take to panty-waists
Atlanta - Once bitten, twice shy?
Philadephia - uh yeah, no brainer for Mr. I won't sign in Philly
I'll go ahead and add Houston, thank you Mr Beltran.

Hmmm... Who else is looking for offense?  Maybe the Cubs will pay him.

ETA: Forgot Kenny William's long running history of ridding himself of Boras clients.  Guess that takes the White Sox off the list too.  

Yeah, but wouldn't Willy T just respond with, "Yeah, but every player he represents gets overpaid paid.  I like getting paid more than what I'm worth."  Not that I like Boras, because I don't...but he is good at what he does.

Boras is good at using the media for his own good. If you are a superstar Boras is your man. Below that and it's a crapshoot. But I guess every player thinks he is a superstar.

In closing, when the dust settles, Drew probably messed up.