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Anyone interested in Vernon Wells?
« on: August 25, 2006, 12:59:22 pm »
Clearly it is not as easy as it looks, leaving the employ of a major-league ballclub to become a baseball columnist. Ask Keith Law.

In last night's blog posting on ESPN.com, Law, a former Jays special assistant to GM J.P. Ricciardi, officially became persona non grata with his former front office mates, stirring the pot surrounding the uncertain future of Vernon Wells in Toronto.

"Vernon Wells has told Blue Jays' management that he has no intention of signing a contract extension to stay in Toronto," Law wrote online. "He and his family would like to move closer to his home in Texas, and he has become increasingly disenchanted in Toronto as he has faced public criticism from general manager J.P. Ricciardi."


From Aaron Gleeman's blog.
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2006, 01:06:42 pm »
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Clearly it is not as easy as it looks, leaving the employ of a major-league ballclub to become a baseball columnist. Ask Keith Law.

In last night's blog posting on ESPN.com, Law, a former Jays special assistant to GM J.P. Ricciardi, officially became persona non grata with his former front office mates, stirring the pot surrounding the uncertain future of Vernon Wells in Toronto.

"Vernon Wells has told Blue Jays' management that he has no intention of signing a contract extension to stay in Toronto," Law wrote online. "He and his family would like to move closer to his home in Texas, and he has become increasingly disenchanted in Toronto as he has faced public criticism from general manager J.P. Ricciardi."


From Aaron Gleeman's blog.



So, in fact, Richard Justice's practice of printing only things that are not true maintains his access to the team so that he can continue to tell us more not true things about the the team.  Ricciardi is adamant about proving chemistry being a myth isn't he.  Toronto is keeping the ball in play by posting a response on their MLB website The Link
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Re: Anyone interested in Vernon Wells?
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2006, 01:12:42 pm »
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From Aaron Gleeman's blog.


Actually, from the Toronto Star.  Also included in the article, a follow-up to Law's blog post:

?The conversation never happened,? Wells said, curtly, following last night?s game. ?It?s a complete fabrication.?
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?He?s become a writer,? Ricciardi said of the Harvard-educated Law. ?It doesn?t take long. Keith Law is officially an idiot."

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Re: Anyone interested in Vernon Wells?
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2006, 01:22:10 pm »
Having read that site's blogs, including the "Insider" blogs, Law's are usually pretty well written.  I'm not saying I believe what he wrote but so far, he usually sticks to the facts or explained his logic when appropriate (which is to say he's not pinwheel).  This blurb about Wells doesn't appear factual so much as it appears to be speculation.  Who knows.
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2006, 03:42:33 pm »
The Ranger fans I know are salivating over the chance to get Wells.
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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2006, 03:45:26 pm »
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The Ranger fans I know are salivating over the chance to get Wells.


This Astros fan is salivating at the chance to get him too.

Call me an idiot if you want, but I think the Astros have a decent shot at landing him, because they can give ML talent for him plus prospects.  And a replacement CFer in Taveras.

The Rangers cannot match the offers Houston could make.  And if there is any truth to his desire to leave Tor, he could come at a fairly reasonable price, unlike Tejada.
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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2006, 04:12:18 pm »
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The Rangers cannot match the offers Houston could make.


oh, sure they could - the rangers have a lot of good, young, everyday talent; far more than the astros.
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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2006, 04:16:27 pm »
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The Rangers cannot match the offers Houston could make.


oh, sure they could - the rangers have a lot of good, young, everyday talent; far more than the astros.



Such as???  Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Houston has alot to offer.  I just don't agree the Rangers do either.
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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2006, 04:30:06 pm »
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Such as???  Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Houston has alot to offer.  I just don't agree the Rangers do either.


texeria, young, kinsler, laird, even blalock - all good, young players. they could also potentially deal mathews, jr., de rosa, wilkerson - older vets with some value.
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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2006, 04:37:51 pm »
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they could also potentially deal mathews, jr., de rosa, wilkerson - older vets with some value.


I think the potential free agent list that was posted the other day indicated that Matthews Jr. is a potential free agent this year.  Don't know if there's a club option.

About him: is this year a total fluke, or has he found himself?  Would he be somebody the Astros would be interested in?
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« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2006, 04:41:13 pm »
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Such as???  Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Houston has alot to offer.  I just don't agree the Rangers do either.


texeria, young, kinsler, laird, even blalock - all good, young players. they could also potentially deal mathews, jr., de rosa, wilkerson - older vets with some value.



Hmmm...  Texeira and Young, agree.  Kinsler, too early to tell but he is promising.  Laird, too early to tell and he's not even the primary catcher yet.  While I'm a fan of Blalock, the guy can't hit LHP to save his life.  

In addition, should they "potentially" deal Matthews Jr, De Rosa, or Wilkerson who exactly do they replace them with?  Who do they get to replace Texeira, Kinsler, Young, or Blalock?  It also ignores the fact that they need Pitching, more than they need offense.  It's a nice theory.  I just don't think it's a very good one.
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« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2006, 05:07:30 pm »
Exactly they need pitching and badly.  Their hitting is actually pretty nice, but they would be losing Wells.

The idea is the Astros have a better option in replacing their CF loss of Wells in Taveras.  As was stated before Mathews is in the last year of his current contract.

And I think the Astros have more pitching options to offer.  Now I am not sure the team would be willing to part with what it might take to land him, but if he is really wanting out of Tor, they should at least try and work a deal, IMO.
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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2006, 05:22:55 pm »
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It also ignores the fact that they need Pitching, more than they need offense.


it actually ignores nothing; it was merely an exercise attempting to determine which team would have better ML-level talent to offer toronto; not a 2007 texas ranger scouting report.

the astros have berkman and oswalt. beyond that, i'd rate every one of the "young" rangers i listed ahead of anyone else the astros would/could offer - burke, taveras, scott... uhm....
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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2006, 05:54:26 pm »
What would make Wells more attractive, from an overall perspective, than Carlos Lee?
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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2006, 06:01:01 pm »
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What would make Wells more attractive, from an overall perspective, than Carlos Lee?


younger; plays a harder spot to fill. i think you could argue wells is a better player, and has a higher ceiling.

but he'll cost you comparable monye and players.
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« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2006, 06:09:18 pm »
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What would make Wells more attractive, from an overall perspective, than Carlos Lee?


A Chinese character tatooed on his arse.

Wait...did I say that out loud?  We are talking about this  Vernon Wells...right?
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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2006, 07:03:29 pm »
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What would make Wells more attractive, from an overall perspective, than Carlos Lee?



He's not a DH quality defender. He plays a position where it's tougher to get offense from. He hits for more average, walks more, and for similar power. He's 3 years younger than Lee.
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« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2006, 07:12:55 pm »
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« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2006, 07:42:29 pm »
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It also ignores the fact that they need Pitching, more than they need offense.


it actually ignores nothing; it was merely an exercise attempting to determine which team would have better ML-level talent to offer toronto; not a 2007 texas ranger scouting report.

the astros have berkman and oswalt. beyond that, i'd rate every one of the "young" rangers i listed ahead of anyone else the astros would/could offer - burke, taveras, scott... uhm....



I don't disagree with you rating Young, Tex, Blalock highly, but it probably won't take front line young (all-star) talent like Young or Tex to land a player in the last year of his contract who won't sign with his current club.  If the Carlos Lee deal is any indication, Cordero, Nix, Mench doesn't sound all that different from Lidge, Lane, Scott, imo.  The astros might have to give up more, but perhaps not too much more.
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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2006, 08:07:03 pm »
I get that he has a lot of pros. What I'm not so sure about is that what it might take to get him would ultimately be beter for the club than throwing FA dollars at Lee.
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« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2006, 01:13:29 am »
Despite the fact that Lee has struck out suprisingly much fewer times, Vernon is an overall better player.

Hell, get em both. Pup said they got some money freed up!

Just salivate over THAT lineup!

Biggio 2nd
Wells  CF
Berkman 1st
Lee  LF
Huff  3rd
Scott RF
Ausmus C
Everette SS

Carlos Lee has only struck out 39 TIMES!?! (I had to check again)
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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2006, 01:42:40 am »
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Carlos Lee has only struck out 39 TIMES!?! (I had to check again)



51 times, if you add the 12 as a Ranger.
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« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2006, 07:43:21 am »
It may not ignore, Ric, but it certainly isn't very enlightening nor is it extremely relevant.

I will concede, and it isn't all that hard to concede the obvious, that the Rangers have more everyday talent (position players) than the Astros. But everything out of Toronto indicates that offense is not their problem. They need/want pitching. So determining Texas has more position player talent than Houston to offer in trade is pure frippery in discussing which organization would have more attractive options in return for Wells.

The focus should be on pitching...
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