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5 game series?
« on: August 18, 2006, 04:16:43 pm »
Yankees vs. Red Sox, 5 games.  Was there a rain out?  Has there been any other series this long?  Also, the Red Sox just bought Eric Hinske

The Red Sox got Hinske from Toronto along with $2,812,500 to offset part of the $6,688,525 he is owed for the rest of this year and next in exchange for future considerations or cash.
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Re: 5 game series?
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2006, 04:29:38 pm »
This is the first five-game series between Yankees and Red Sox since July 2-5, 1973 (Red Sox won four of five).

Don't know why...
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Re: 5 game series?
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2006, 04:34:19 pm »
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This is the first five-game series between Yankees and Red Sox since July 2-5, 1973 (Red Sox won four of five).

Don't know why...




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Re: 5 game series?
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2006, 04:36:55 pm »
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Yankees vs. Red Sox, 5 games.  Was there a rain out?  Has there been any other series this long?  Also, the Red Sox just bought Eric Hinske

The Red Sox got Hinske from Toronto along with $2,812,500 to offset part of the $6,688,525 he is owed for the rest of this year and next in exchange for future considerations or cash.
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Re: 5 game series?
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2006, 04:39:16 pm »
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Yankees vs. Red Sox, 5 games.  Was there a rain out?  Has there been any other series this long?  Also, the Red Sox just bought Eric Hinske

The Red Sox got Hinske from Toronto along with $2,812,500 to offset part of the $6,688,525 he is owed for the rest of this year and next in exchange for future considerations or cash.
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May 2nd rainout.



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Re: 5 game series?
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2006, 05:03:15 pm »
 Retrosheet is so much fun, man.


Anyything jump out at you about this list?


July 30, 1973
TEX Jim Bibby (4-4) @ OAK Vida Blue (8-6)

July 31, 1973
MIN Dick Woodson (10-5) @ OAK Ken Holtzman (15-9)

Aug 1, 1973
MIN Bert Blyleven (13-9) @ OAK Darold Knowles (3-4)

Aug 2, 1973
MIN Joe Decker (5-5) @ OAK Paul Lindblad (0-2)

Aug 3, 1973
OAK Vida Blue (9-7) @ CAL Bill Singer (15-7)

Aug 4, 1973
OAK Ken Holtzman (16-9) @ CAL Clyde Wright (8-15)

Aug 5, 1973
OAK Darold Knowles (4-4) @ CAL Rudy May (7-9)

Aug 7, 1973
OAK Vida Blue (10-7) @ DET Mickey Lolich (10-11)

Aug 7, 1973
OAK Paul Lindblad (0-3) @ DET Jim Perry (9-10)

Aug 8, 1973
OAK Ken Holtzman (17-9) @ DET Woodie Fryman (3-7)

Aug 10, 1073
OAK Darold Knowles (4-4) @ NYY Pat Dobson (6-4)

Aug 11, 1973
OAK Vida Blue (11-7) @ NYY Mel Stottlemyre (12-9)

Aug 12, 1973
OAK Ken Holtzman (17-10) @ NYY Sam McDowell (5-4)
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Re: 5 game series?
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2006, 05:09:57 pm »
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Retrosheet is so much fun, man.


Anyything jump out at you about this list?


July 30, 1973
TEX Jim Bibby (4-4) @ OAK Vida Blue (8-6)

July 31, 1973
MIN Dick Woodson (10-5) @ OAK Ken Holtzman (15-9)

Aug 1, 1973
MIN Bert Blyleven (13-9) @ OAK Darold Knowles (3-4)

Aug 2, 1973
MIN Joe Decker (5-5) @ OAK Paul Lindblad (0-2)

Aug 3, 1973
OAK Vida Blue (9-7) @ CAL Bill Singer (15-7)

Aug 4, 1973
OAK Ken Holtzman (16-9) @ CAL Clyde Wright (8-15)

Aug 5, 1973
OAK Darold Knowles (4-4) @ CAL Rudy May (7-9)

Aug 7, 1973
OAK Vida Blue (10-7) @ DET Mickey Lolich (10-11)

Aug 7, 1973
OAK Paul Lindblad (0-3) @ DET Jim Perry (9-10)

Aug 8, 1973
OAK Ken Holtzman (17-9) @ DET Woodie Fryman (3-7)

Aug 10, 1073
OAK Darold Knowles (4-4) @ NYY Pat Dobson (6-4)

Aug 11, 1973
OAK Vida Blue (11-7) @ NYY Mel Stottlemyre (12-9)

Aug 12, 1973
OAK Ken Holtzman (17-10) @ NYY Sam McDowell (5-4)



Paul Linblad was AWESOME. Also, the A's couldn't spring for a 4th starter.
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2006, 05:24:49 pm »
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Paul Linblad was AWESOME. Also, the A's couldn't spring for a 4th starter.




Very good.  

At that point, Catfish Hunter and Blue Moon Odom were both temporarily down (tired arms?) and Lindblad and Darold Knowles, normally short relievers/closer-types, were filling in.  Which sort of points to the answer I'm looking for here.
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Re: 5 game series?
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2006, 09:06:03 pm »
I still shudder at the mention of Woodie Fryman, old school Astro killah...
Or was that "000 000 000ld school?"
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Re: 5 game series?
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2006, 11:32:52 pm »
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I still shudder at the mention of Woodie Fryman, old school Astro killah...
Or was that "000 000 000ld school?"



Was he with the Expos? I seem to remember him reaming us like John Holmes on Free Crystal Meth night.
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Re: 5 game series?
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2006, 01:20:04 am »
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Retrosheet is so much fun, man.


Anyything jump out at you about this list?


July 30, 1973
TEX Jim Bibby (4-4) @ OAK Vida Blue (8-6)

July 31, 1973
MIN Dick Woodson (10-5) @ OAK Ken Holtzman (15-9)

Aug 1, 1973
MIN Bert Blyleven (13-9) @ OAK Darold Knowles (3-4)

Aug 2, 1973
MIN Joe Decker (5-5) @ OAK Paul Lindblad (0-2)

Aug 3, 1973
OAK Vida Blue (9-7) @ CAL Bill Singer (15-7)

Aug 4, 1973
OAK Ken Holtzman (16-9) @ CAL Clyde Wright (8-15)

Aug 5, 1973
OAK Darold Knowles (4-4) @ CAL Rudy May (7-9)

Aug 7, 1973
OAK Vida Blue (10-7) @ DET Mickey Lolich (10-11)

Aug 7, 1973
OAK Paul Lindblad (0-3) @ DET Jim Perry (9-10)

Aug 8, 1973
OAK Ken Holtzman (17-9) @ DET Woodie Fryman (3-7)

Aug 10, 1073
OAK Darold Knowles (4-4) @ NYY Pat Dobson (6-4)

Aug 11, 1973
OAK Vida Blue (11-7) @ NYY Mel Stottlemyre (12-9)

Aug 12, 1973
OAK Ken Holtzman (17-10) @ NYY Sam McDowell (5-4)



Did Blue pitch in relief between July 30 and August 3?
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Re: 5 game series?
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2006, 02:49:37 am »
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Retrosheet is so much fun, man.



Talk about something that will suck the life out of you...

People wandered into the Retrosheet Zone years ago and have yet to be heard from.
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« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2006, 01:47:25 pm »
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Did Blue pitch in relief between July 30 and August 3?




No, I screwed up his W-L.  Going into the 7/30 game, he was 9-6 (not 8-6).  I wasn't trying to throw you off.

At any rate, what I came across here was a stretch of 13 straight games in which a team, the A's, started a LHP.  Think about that.  Talk about screw up some platoons.

Catfish missed a few starts, I assume for injury reasons.  Blue Moon Odom was the #4, but he didn't start for two weeks, either; possibly for performance reasons rather than injury (his ERA was in the 5's at the time).  He did pitch once in relief in that stretch.  Anyway, Odom was a fun guy to watch (and a terrific athlete - a career .200 hitter, 12 HRs, and very fast... the A's used him often as a PR), and really good when he was on, but he was always pretty damn erratic (i.e., wild.)

Neither Knowles nor Lindblad were terrific filling in out of the bullpen, but they held the rotation together long enough for Hunter and Odom to get going again.  And of course the A's went on to successfully defend the World Championship that fall.

The 13 lefties in a row - I'd be surprised if that ever happened before, or has since.
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Re: 5 game series?
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2006, 01:55:50 pm »
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The 13 lefties in a row - I'd be surprised if that ever happened before, or has since.



You could say the same thing about several of Charlie O's *legacys*

Not that he had anything to do with the rotation, but...
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« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2006, 02:12:19 pm »
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I still shudder at the mention of Woodie Fryman, old school Astro killah...
Or was that "000 000 000ld school?"




Lifetime record vs. Houston 11-7, 2.84.  Also 6 saves - Fryman was a starter most of his career, but almost exclusively a reliever that last several seasons of it.  He started 23 of the 45 games he faced the Astros.

His best seasons vs, HOU:
1966 PIT -- 3-0, 2.15 (3 starts, 2 CG)
1967 PIT -- 1-0, 2.12 (2 starts, 2 rel, 1 CG)
1970 PHI -- 2-0, 2.16 (2 Starts, 1 CG)
1971 PHI -- 1-0, 2.61 (1 start, 1 rel, 1 CG)
1978 MON -- 1-0, 0.00 (2 starts, 1 CG shutout)
1979 MON -- 0-0, 0.00 (2 rel, 4 IP)
1980 MON -- 1-0, 0.00 (8 rel, 16 IP, 3 saves)
1981 MON -- 0-0, 0.00 (3 rel, 6 IP, 1 save)
1982 MON -- 0-0, 0.00 (3 rel, 2.1 IP, 2 saves)

My guess is you are thinking of Fryman with Montreal 1978-1982.  His totals against Houston for those 5 years:

2-0, 0.00, 6 saves

18 Games
2 Starts
1 Complete game (shutout)
6 Saves

45 IP
24 H
0 ER
30 K

45 innings pitched, zero earned runs??  Astro-killah, yes.
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« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2006, 02:27:04 pm »
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The 13 lefties in a row - I'd be surprised if that ever happened before, or has since.



You could say the same thing about several of Charlie O's *legacys*

Not that he had anything to do with the rotation, but...




Nope, that was Dick Williams, a pretty interesting character in his own right.  He was the guy in Florida at spring training several years back, in his mid-60's by then, who was arrested for standing nude out on his hotel balcony.  Great manager.

It was Williams (and Finley) who thought up the rotating second baseman strategy, for one thing.  The A's at the time had several slick fielding second baseman - Dick Green mainly, also guys like Dal Maxvill, Ted Kubiak, Tim Cullen, etc. - none of whom could hit much.  For away games, the A's would start a non-2B, pinch-hitter type like Jay Johnstone or Gonzalo Marquez or Jesus Alou at 2B, batting 2nd behind Campaneris.  The guy would hit in the top of the first, and then immediately be replaced by a real 2B when the A's went out on defense.  Sometimes Williams would continue to pinch hit for his 2B each time he came up in the order during the game, and then plug in another all field, no-hit replacement for defense.

Alvin Dark continued to do this from time to time after Williams left, probably as a result of "input" from Finley.
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« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2006, 02:36:23 pm »
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Alvin Dark continued to do this from time to time after Williams left, probably as a result of "input" from Finley.



I remember that well.  The Mike Andrews fiasco.
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« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2006, 05:19:28 pm »
Wow, Yanks come into Fenway and sweep a 5 game series. Just brutal (and yes, it's amusing to ponder all the gnashing of teeth and rending of hair going on in New England).

I realize there haven't been too many 5 games series, but has there ever been a 5 game series sweep before?
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« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2006, 05:36:04 pm »
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I realize there haven't been too many 5 games series, but has there ever been a 5 game series sweep before?



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The Red Sox hadn't been swept in a five-game series since the Cleveland Indians did it in 1954. The Yankees swept Boston in five games in New York in 1951 and at Fenway in '43.
 

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« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2006, 06:07:32 pm »
I'm somewhat amazed that it had ever happened.  As ultra rare as a 5-game series is these days, you'd assume a 5-game series sweep would be ultra ultra ultra rare.

Were 5-game series at all common back in the day?
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« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2006, 06:15:02 pm »
The 5 game sweep is particularly funny because Tom Verducci was on ESPN radio prior to the start of the series and he said that the series wasn't going to be that meaningful because no team was going to win more than 3 games.
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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2006, 10:44:44 pm »
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I'm somewhat amazed that it had ever happened.  As ultra rare as a 5-game series is these days, you'd assume a 5-game series sweep would be ultra ultra ultra rare.

Were 5-game series at all common back in the day?



I'd think that when teams used to play each other 22 times a season and it took two days on a train to get from Boston to St. Louis, there were probably some five-game series.
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