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Clemens is such an altruist
« on: August 01, 2006, 02:01:43 am »
or at least according to Jayson Stark.  I can't figure out how an article about a potential trade that admittedly never even came close to happening is worth the front page of ESPN.com, but what do I know?  We're just fortunate that Clemens has such a big heart and it's too bad Drayton couldn't do the right thing by him...

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Re: Clemens is such an altruist
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2006, 02:05:21 am »
FUCK I hate the media..
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2006, 02:18:55 am »
Yeah I just read that piece of shit article.  So Jayson thinks Drayton is a doddering old man, Count Purpula is completely out of the loop on personnel decisions, and Roger Clemens is going to be canonized as soon as MLB can figure out how to get the Pope to wave the waiting period for sainthood.

This, combined with Scott Miller's insistence that Roy O would have been packing his bags for the VD capital of the world if Angelos had a single active brain cell in his head (apparently Miller subscribes to media's prevailing "if one person says it, it MUST be true" stance on fact checking) leads me to believe that the internet media (heck, let's throw in print and TV as well) thinks that Houston's entire front office staff couldn't find their ass with a compass, map, and GPS locater.
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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2006, 02:19:55 am »
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Remember when Tracy Rigoslby wrote a scathing column about how evil Drayton McLane was for not giving Roger Clemens arbitration and thus for that reason alone, Rocket would reject the Houston Astros on May 1st?

I wrote to Rigoslby and told him he really didn't understand the relationship between McLane and Clemens.  It's unusual to say the least and to try and ascribe some of the common sense logic to that relationship is a fall down in anything you can write about.

Same thing with Stark here.  Apart from some obvious flaws in his fact reporting, he misreads the relationship between Clemens and McLane.  Clemens isn't a saint and McLane isn't quite the sinner.  Clemens isn't a great, shy quiet guy worried about his reputation in Houston and McLane isn't a money only owner who distances himself from his favorite players (and that includes Oswalt too).

There is just so much "from a distance" prespective in this column by Stark that misses the mark about two men who should be looked at with a microscope and not a pair of binoculars.  Common sense goes out the window as well, so never do that with McLane and Clemens... it will confuse you to the levels of a fine writer like Tracy Rigoslby who fell into the trap and couldn't get out of it once the last word was typed and the period was put at the end of the last paragraph.
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Re: Clemens is such an altruist
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2006, 02:21:03 am »
Maybe everyone should give their all-star players to either the Yanks or Mets or Red Sox.   I am sure that would make for Nirvana in Bristol.

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Re: Clemens is such an altruist
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2006, 10:58:34 am »
Does anyone else remember the "good old days of 1992" when the Yanks, RedSox, and steM were all sub-.500 teams and no one ever talked about them?  

I do.  

It was great.
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Re: Clemens is such an altruist
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2006, 11:10:52 am »
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Does anyone else remember the "good old days of 1992" when the Yanks, RedSox, and steM were all sub-.500 teams and no one ever talked about them?  

I do.  

It was great.



I do. It was great. Of course I hated the Twins, Blue Jays and Braves back then.

Liked the Co-ards, though.
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Re: Clemens is such an altruist
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2006, 12:26:17 pm »
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Maybe everyone should give their all-star players to either the Yanks or Mets or Red Sox.   I am sure that would make for Nirvana in Bristol.

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No, to hear those idiots talk, there needs to be a "SuperLeague" with the Mets, Red Sox, Cubs and Yankees only. The rest of the teams will all be AAAA teams just there to feed the big 4 with their best players. Gaaagg!!

It's best to ignore those fools at ESPN.
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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2006, 12:30:04 pm »
OK, I'm going to take an alternate tact.

What I like about Stark is that at least he's willing to write about the other side.  Just as he says that he can't argue with those who say the team has come back before and can do so again, I would have trouble disagreeing with the assessment that this team has a bad "vibe" that makes it seem awfully unlikely.

I agree with Noe that he probably misunderstands the relationship of Grocer and Rocket, but I think the bigger issue is that he just fails to communicate Grocer's fundamental optimism.  Grocer, in part, would not make that trade because he CANNOT believe that this team would be done.

IOW, I had no problem with the article.
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Re: Clemens is such an altruist
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2006, 12:34:25 pm »
You know, I never had anything against Jayson Stark before, but this article is such complete and total horseshit.  Apparently "doing the right thing" is putting the postseason hopes of one player above the hopes of 24 others?  "Doing the right thing" is shipping a player to a postseason contender, when that player CHOSE NOT TO SIGN WITH THAT TEAM MULTIPLE TIMES?  I really hate the notion that a player is a Hall of Famer, so therefore the owners should do everything they can to move him to a team that he might have a better chance of winning a ring with.  Maddux has a ring.  Clemens has rings.  Bailing for a few months to try and win another ring seems SOOOOOOOO cheap to me.
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Re: Clemens is such an altruist
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2006, 12:49:58 pm »
I've recently heard some statements by writers about "following the best story".  These guys don't care about the teams, the organization, or the fans.  They want a story.  And in Stark's mind, which I can only assume was damaged since last post season, trading Clemens to the Yankees or Red Sox would have been the greatest story possible.  Personally, I'd like to congratulate him on being totally unoriginal and for not even bothering to mask his pandering to his largest markets.
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Re: Clemens is such an altruist
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2006, 12:51:10 pm »
What struck me as weird about the whole article was the fact that the Astros are still within striking distance of the wild card after having played so horribly for so long.  It's amazing how bad everybody but the Mets and the Cardinals have been this year.
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Re: Clemens is such an altruist
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2006, 12:56:28 pm »
From Randy Hendricks
 
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``If Drayton would have said yes to a trade, it would have been some story," said Randy Hendricks, Clemens's agent. ``My only regret is that the whole plan was to get Roger on a mound healthy in October. Now, he will be healthy in October, but probably not on any mound."





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« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2006, 12:58:43 pm »
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``If Drayton would have said yes to a trade, it would have been some story," said Randy Hendricks, Clemens's agent. ``My only regret is that the whole plan was to get Roger on a mound healthy in October. Now, he will be healthy in October, but probably not on any mound."





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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2006, 01:05:25 pm »
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``If Drayton would have said yes to a trade, it would have been some story," said Randy Hendricks, Clemens's agent. ``My only regret is that the whole plan was to get Roger on a mound healthy in October. Now, he will be healthy in October, but probably not on any mound."





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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2006, 07:38:59 pm »
Jesus now ATH is on this.  Luckily Wilbon has retained a bit of his sanity and said that Drayton doesn't owe the Red Sox anything, and only owes Clemens his contract.  However, Dan Levi(Re)tard is only focused on "what a great story it would've been."  What a bunch of mediots.
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« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2006, 07:46:48 pm »
  Well, maybe if Theo would have done the right thing and offer us enough to make the deal (John Lester), then the deal would have gotten done and he would have gotten the Roger for a couple of months.  I like how Stark talks about "how close" Clemens was to going to Boston at the end of June.  Funniest part of the story.
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