Just hypothetically

[pravata]

"They are not going to trade him," (Yankees minor league pitcher Phillip Hughes) said Ben McLure, a scout with the Kansas City Royals who was on hand last night with a Houston Astros scout.(to watch Hughes pitch) "Nobody is going to give them what they want."
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I suspect the Astros could, if they were going in that direction, which they aren't.

[jasonact]

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I suspect the Astros could, if they were going in that direction, which they aren't.

Do you mean the direction of being sellers? If the Astros were so inclined, who do you think they would be willing to trade that might change the Yankees' minds?

[pravata]

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I suspect the Astros could, if they were going in that direction, which they aren't.

Do you mean the direction of being sellers? If the Astros were so inclined, who do you think they would be willing to trade that might change the Yankees' minds?

It's right there, the article is pointing right at it.

[jaklewein]

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"They are not going to trade him," (Yankees minor league pitcher Phillip Hughes) said Ben McLure, a scout with the Kansas City Royals who was on hand last night with a Houston Astros scout.(to watch Hughes pitch) "Nobody is going to give them what they want."
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I suspect the Astros could, if they were going in that direction, which they aren't.

Damn-it man...let's not even go there.  I don't want to discuss that kind of trade, at least not until it happens...which I hope it doesn't.

[jasonact]

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It's right there, the article is pointing right at it.

The article mentions Pettitte and Clemens, but not even alluding to a potential trade scenario. It only compares Hughes to each of them for different reasons.

[pravata]

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"They are not going to trade him," (Yankees minor league pitcher Phillip Hughes) said Ben McLure, a scout with the Kansas City Royals who was on hand last night with a Houston Astros scout.(to watch Hughes pitch) "Nobody is going to give them what they want."
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I suspect the Astros could, if they were going in that direction, which they aren't.

Damn-it man...let's not even go there.  I don't want to discuss that kind of trade, at least not until it happens...which I hope it doesn't.

Sure, sure, which is why this is completely hypothetical. Completely.  Still. I'm saying, they could.

[jaklewein]

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"They are not going to trade him," (Yankees minor league pitcher Phillip Hughes) said Ben McLure, a scout with the Kansas City Royals who was on hand last night with a Houston Astros scout.(to watch Hughes pitch) "Nobody is going to give them what they want."
The Link

I suspect the Astros could, if they were going in that direction, which they aren't.

Damn-it man...let's not even go there.  I don't want to discuss that kind of trade, at least not until it happens...which I hope it doesn't.

Sure, sure, which is why this is completely hypothetical. Completely.  Still. I'm saying, they could.

Well, I said I didn't want to talk about such a deal...involving that team...and those players...so I won't.

Question though...is there a point before the deadline that Pup says, "Ok, that's it...we're sellers now."  I mean, was that after last night (I don't think so)...would it be after Saturday's contest when potentially we're 8 games back of the Reds?  When is it if at all?  Best guess.

[pravata]

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It's right there, the article is pointing right at it.

The article mentions Pettitte and Clemens, but not even alluding to a potential trade scenario. It only compares Hughes to each of them for different reasons.

Did I say the article said anything of the kind? The article is about trading for Abreu.  That is obvious. Did I say that anyone has ever mentioned the Astros trading for Hughes? Ever? Is not the word "hypothetically" prominent in the subject of the post?

[Jacksonian]

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"They are not going to trade him," (Yankees minor league pitcher Phillip Hughes) said Ben McLure, a scout with the Kansas City Royals who was on hand last night with a Houston Astros scout.(to watch Hughes pitch) "Nobody is going to give them what they want."
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I suspect the Astros could, if they were going in that direction, which they aren't.

Well, it just so happens that Hughes is on the same team as  the Yankees top 3b prospect Eric Duncan.

[pravata]

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"They are not going to trade him," (Yankees minor league pitcher Phillip Hughes) said Ben McLure, a scout with the Kansas City Royals who was on hand last night with a Houston Astros scout.(to watch Hughes pitch) "Nobody is going to give them what they want."
The Link

I suspect the Astros could, if they were going in that direction, which they aren't.

Damn-it man...let's not even go there.  I don't want to discuss that kind of trade, at least not until it happens...which I hope it doesn't.

Sure, sure, which is why this is completely hypothetical. Completely.  Still. I'm saying, they could.

Well, I said I didn't want to talk about such a deal...involving that team...and those players...so I won't.

Question though...is there a point before the deadline that Pup says, "Ok, that's it...we're sellers now."  I mean, was that after last night (I don't think so)...would it be after Saturday's contest when potentially we're 8 games back of the Reds?  When is it if at all?  Best guess.

I think the types of trades he could do that would really impact the team would take some time.  The organization is in such a buy mode right now, (from all signs) it might be difficult to make the contacts that would allow them to change course by Monday.  They'd really have to be slick and this GM doesn't have that kind of experience.

[jaklewein]

Good perspective...thanks.  Good news too, if you correct.  I don't want to see this team sell.

[pravata]

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"They are not going to trade him," (Yankees minor league pitcher Phillip Hughes) said Ben McLure, a scout with the Kansas City Royals who was on hand last night with a Houston Astros scout.(to watch Hughes pitch) "Nobody is going to give them what they want."
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I suspect the Astros could, if they were going in that direction, which they aren't.

Well, it just so happens that Hughes is on the same team as  the Yankees top 3b prospect Eric Duncan.

Ah HA!

[Rebel Jew]

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"They are not going to trade him," (Yankees minor league pitcher Phillip Hughes) said Ben McLure, a scout with the Kansas City Royals who was on hand last night with a Houston Astros scout.(to watch Hughes pitch) "Nobody is going to give them what they want."
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I suspect the Astros could, if they were going in that direction, which they aren't.

Well, it just so happens that Hughes is on the same team as  the Yankees top 3b prospect Eric Duncan.

maybe it's just me, but Duncan smells like he came from the Dioner Navarro factory of Yankee super prospects.

[Alkie]

Yeah, I gotta be honest, I don't like the idea of Yankee-super-prospects.  They NEVER end up being what they're supposed to be.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the hype in NY.   Total coincidence.

[Jacksonian]

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Yeah, I gotta be honest, I don't like the idea of Yankee-super-prospects.  They NEVER end up being what they're supposed to be.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the hype in NY.   Total coincidence.

He's not a super prospect.  And, nowhere can I find anyone saying he is.  He's their top 3b prospect.  He has holes, but he's far and away better than any 3b prospect in the Astros org at the moment.

[Alkie]

I bring you....

TOP YANKEE PROSPECTS OF THE LAST DECADE  
1995 Ruben Rivera, of
1996 Ruben Rivera, of
1997 Ruben Rivera, of
1998 Eric Milton, lhp
1999 Nick Johnson, 1b
2000 Nick Johnson, 1b
2001 Nick Johnson, 1b
2002 Drew Henson, 3b
2003 Jose Contreras, rhp
2004 Dioner Navarro, c
2005 Eric Duncan, 3b

Not exactly a running list of All Stars.

edit: This is from Baseball America, who has listed Duncan as the Yankees TOP Prospects for two straight years now.  I would say that qualifies as "someone" claiming he's a "super-prospect."

[Alkie]

Also, I'd like to point out that these super-prospects have turned out SO WELL, that exactly 0 of them are current New York Yankees.

[Jacksonian]

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I bring you....

TOP YANKEE PROSPECTS OF THE LAST DECADE  
1995 Ruben Rivera, of
1996 Ruben Rivera, of
1997 Ruben Rivera, of
1998 Eric Milton, lhp
1999 Nick Johnson, 1b
2000 Nick Johnson, 1b
2001 Nick Johnson, 1b
2002 Drew Henson, 3b
2003 Jose Contreras, rhp
2004 Dioner Navarro, c
2005 Eric Duncan, 3b

Not exactly a running list of All Stars.

edit: This is from Baseball America, who has listed Duncan as the Yankees TOP Prospects for two straight years now.  I would say that qualifies as "someone" claiming he's a "super-prospect."

No it doesn't.  Just because he's the Yankees top prospect doesn't mean he's a super prospect.  BA constantly talks about how bleak the Yankees system is.  Perspective.  Duncan is good, but he'd be below Pence on the prospect list if he were in the Astros org.

[Alkie]

Ok, I'll buy that.

So, why are we even discussing these guys if the Yankee farm system is (as usual) so bad that their best guy would be 8th on our list?

[Jacksonian]

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Ok, I'll buy that.

So, why are we even discussing these guys if the Yankee farm system is (as usual) so bad that their best guy would be 8th on our list?

If you, like me, believe that Ensberg's fragility is a major problem, having a young guy in the system that could be ready in spring traing 2008 to take over 3b and projects at the moment to be at least an average major league 3b with power, you'd have to look hard at getting him.

[Alkie]

Ok, but it sounds like we could do better if this guy isn't "actually" a super-prospect.

[MusicMan]

Depends on what you mean by "better".

"Better" than Duncan, who's average, and could be had for someone not coming back next year?

Or "better" than out current crop of third base prospects, the best of whom won't be ready for at least 5 years and was drafted because of daddy's name brand?

[Alkie]

We signed Johnny Walmart to play 3b?   MORONS!

[Jacksonian]

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Depends on what you mean by "better".

"Better" than Duncan, who's average, and could be had for someone not coming back next year?

Or "better" than out current crop of third base prospects, the best of whom won't be ready for at least 5 years and was drafted because of daddy's name brand?

The original idea I believe was in the context of dealing Wilson.  It depends on who you give up for Duncan.  And, Duncan is not an average prospect.  There aren't that many AA 3b who you can say project to be at least league average major league 3b.

If I were pulling the top 10 out of my ass now, as opposed to when I do it for publication, it'd look like this today:
Hirsh
Albers
Pence
Patton
Buchholz
Nieve
Gutierrez
Bogusevic
Reineke
Fairchild

If the Astros got Duncan, I'd put him behind Buchholz.

[Duman]

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Depends on what you mean by "better".

"Better" than Duncan, who's average, and could be had for someone not coming back next year?

Or "better" than out current crop of third base prospects, the best of whom won't be ready for at least 5 years and was drafted because of daddy's name brand?

The original idea I believe was in the context of dealing Wilson.  It depends on who you give up for Duncan.  And, Duncan is not an average prospect.  There aren't that many AA 3b who you can say project to be at least league average major league 3b.

If I were pulling the top 10 out of my ass now, as opposed to when I do it for publication, it'd look like this today:
Hirsh
Albers
Pence
Patton
Buchholz
Nieve
Gutierrez
Bogusevic
Reineke
Fairchild

If the Astros got Duncan, I'd put him behind Buchholz.

Which would put him the second and last position player on the list.  If this were an arms race, we would be winning.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

I could be wrong but I think Pravata means Clemens and Pettitte for Hughes and maybe Duncan.  Would the Yanks do that?  Who knows?  They've certainly done things I have questioned in the past and they could always re-tool in the offseason, more than making up for the rental of Clemens and Pettitte and the loss of Hughes.  

All of this presumes the Yanks want either Pettitte or Clemens and that either would consent to such a trade.

[pravata]

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I could be wrong but I think Pravata means Clemens and Pettitte for Hughes and maybe Duncan.  Would the Yanks do that?  Who knows?  They've certainly done things I have questioned in the past and they could always re-tool in the offseason, more than making up for the rental of Clemens and Pettitte and the loss of Hughes.  

All of this presumes the Yanks want either Pettitte or Clemens and that either would consent to such a trade.

I was just commenting on the "Nobody is going to give them what they want." remark by the Royals scout.  If, and did I mention this is a hypothetical if?, IF the Astros said Clemens for Hughes, the Yankees would plotz.  Clemens consenting is also completely hypothetical.  

This also highlights the current situation the Astros find themselves.  Given the right combination, the Astros could have the best prospect or player under club control from any team in the Majors. If they wanted to go that way, which they don't. In contrast, best player on the Brewers gets them some spare parts.  Best tradeable player on the Reds gets them 2 relievers.  

As for the psuedo prospect Duncan, first I've heard of him, and that's saying something about his chances.  Lick of talent and New York isn't hyping him to the skies?  Can't be much.  I think the Astros should stick with Ensberg if it comes to that.  On the other hand, who were they scouting otherwise?

[jaklewein]

 On the other hand, who were they scouting otherwise?

Could simply be a lesser known prospect for Wilson.