Author Topic: Lamb's error on the 4th (Read 3206 times)

JimR · « **on:** July 04, 2006, 04:39:51 pm »

protecting St. Biggio. that was E4.

Bench · « **Reply #1 on:** July 04, 2006, 04:45:11 pm »

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protecting St. Biggio. that was E4.

The throw was easily catchable. Biggio was trying to make the catch and apply the tag at the same time when he didn't have to.

Glad it didn't cost anything.

Zan · « **Reply #2 on:** July 04, 2006, 05:18:34 pm »

Interesting. Seemed like a not-very-good throw that still should have been caught. I wondered if Bidge's status affected the ruling.

JimR · « **Reply #4 on:** July 04, 2006, 09:09:27 pm »

MusicMan · « **Reply #5 on:** July 05, 2006, 09:57:44 am »

It was a poor play by both players.

Regardless of who gets the E, the continuing inability of the Astros as a franchise to properly execute rundowns has always befuddled me.

AstroFrog · « **Reply #6 on:** July 05, 2006, 11:44:43 am »

Disagree. Thought it looked like an awkward, off-target throw from Lamb, who, as said above, also gave chase a little too long.

WulawHorn · « **Reply #7 on:** July 05, 2006, 11:50:48 am »

Give the error to whoever you want to give it to, I don't care, but that was Lamb's fault all the way. He butchered it- chased Lee waaaay to long without throwing it, and then made an awkward, sidearmed, pitch/shovel very late when Lee was close to the bag. Additonally, he looked incredibly (bad pun alert) sheepish coming off the field.

I got to sit right behind the stros dugout about 15 rows up-very cool place to watch a ball game. I'm generally more partial to behind the plate, but this was neat in a differnt way.

Question- was the strike zone incredibly small yesterday. It seemed to be so, but of course from that angle I couldn't tell what was happening over the plate wise, just north south.

MikeyBoy · « **Reply #8 on:** July 05, 2006, 12:34:03 pm »

Lamb did not run Lee back too far, that's textbook. If anything, Biggio was too far off second base, he should have been at the bag waiting for the throw. Lamb's throw was not that good, but was catchable, Bidge was moving away from the baseline to avoid the runner. In hindsight, Lamb should have thrown the ball to AE who was standing at second base, Bidge was just in the way.

Dobro · « **Reply #9 on:** July 05, 2006, 12:49:34 pm »

That play wasn't "textbook." Lamb foolishly thought he could outrun Lee. When he realized that he couldn't, Lee was almost to second and Lamb was forced to make a rushed, erratic throw.

MusicMan · « **Reply #10 on:** July 05, 2006, 12:51:12 pm »

Textbook is to make one throw, and that means pushing the runner as far as you can. Lamb's problem was indecisiveness - he got too close to Lee to get a good angle on a throw. Biggio did a furtehr job of dropping a catchable throw.

JimR · « **Reply #11 on:** July 05, 2006, 12:52:22 pm »

AstroFrog · « **Reply #13 on:** July 05, 2006, 01:00:42 pm »

I love the way you argue, Jim R.

ASTROCREEP · « **Reply #19 on:** July 05, 2006, 02:09:49 pm »

I'll take a stab at it.

The Correct play for Lamb was to take a quick side step, to create a better angle to avoid hitting the runner, then throw immediatly to second, because you want to force the runner back to first, AND Biggio or Everett would have a better chance of running down a suprisingly fast Lee.

HurricaneDavid · « **Reply #21 on:** July 05, 2006, 02:33:58 pm »

There was also a runner on 2B at the time, who wound up at 3B on the play.

JimR · « **Reply #26 on:** July 05, 2006, 03:14:15 pm »

pitcher and 1B had first, SS and 2B had second. it did not matter to me who got to second first as long as the other backed him up. if the player at the bag comes up the line without the ball, he must not get touched by the runner and must get out of his way. their discretion whether to stay at the bag or to creep up the line.