I think the Astros need to take a break from baseball

[Golden Sombrero]

This is by far the worst game ever.  Maybe worse than any of the WS games.  Absolutely disgraceful.  The bullpen should be shot.

[matadorph]

Fuck. FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.

I need a break from Astros baseball.

[Golden Sombrero]

After a complete bullpen collapse, Qualls, Miller, and Nieve (anyone else?) pitch sterling work.  Night and day.  A terrible, terrible win, but a victory against the White Sox at long last.  Thank you to whichever deity made this possible.

[matadorph]

Amen.

BBGs be great.

[HudsonHawk]

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After a complete bullpen collapse, Qualls, Miller, and Nieve (anyone else?) pitch sterling work.  Night and day.  A terrible, terrible win, but a victory against the White Sox at long last.  Thank you to whichever deity made this possible.

No such thing as a terrible win.  This isn't college football, a win is a win is a win.  The all count the same.

[Golden Sombrero]

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After a complete bullpen collapse, Qualls, Miller, and Nieve (anyone else?) pitch sterling work.  Night and day.  A terrible, terrible win, but a victory against the White Sox at long last.  Thank you to whichever deity made this possible.

No such thing as a terrible win.  This isn't college football, a win is a win is a win.  The all count the same.

I'll try to tell myself that.  And I hope Garner tells it to the overworked bullpen and tired players who had to work another 4 innings thanks to abysmal performances from Springer and Lidge and a superhuman effort from the Emperor Iguchi, the One Man Show.

[Bench]

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After a complete bullpen collapse, Qualls, Miller, and Nieve (anyone else?) pitch sterling work.  Night and day.  A terrible, terrible win, but a victory against the White Sox at long last.  Thank you to whichever deity made this possible.

No such thing as a terrible win.  This isn't college football, a win is a win is a win.  The all count the same.

Great fortitude by the Astros to pull it out after such a collapse, and such a weekend.

What a crazy game. Anything can happen.

[JimR]

i think they have been taking a break.

[pravata]

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After a complete bullpen collapse, Qualls, Miller, and Nieve (anyone else?) pitch sterling work.  Night and day.  A terrible, terrible win, but a victory against the White Sox at long last.  Thank you to whichever deity made this possible.

No such thing as a terrible win.  This isn't college football, a win is a win is a win.  The all count the same.

I'll try to tell myself that.  And I hope Garner tells it to the overworked bullpen and tired players who had to work another 4 innings thanks to abysmal performances from Springer and Lidge and a superhuman effort from the Emperor Iguchi, the One Man Show.

"Tell yourself" anything you like.  The Astros team I was watching sucked it up and didnt quit.  It's all anyone can ask.  Cover your eyes girls, the team goes to Detroit, the best team in baseball right now where 125,417 packed the ballpark to watch a 3 game sweep vs the Cardinals.

[HudsonHawk]

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And I hope Garner tells it to the overworked bullpen and tired players who had to work another 4 innings thanks to abysmal performances from Springer and Lidge and a superhuman effort from the Emperor Iguchi, the One Man Show.

They're free to quit and go work at Sears if they don't like life in the Major Leagues.

[Holly]

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And I hope Garner tells it to the overworked bullpen and tired players who had to work another 4 innings thanks to abysmal performances from Springer and Lidge and a superhuman effort from the Emperor Iguchi, the One Man Show.

They're free to quit and go work at Sears if they don't like life in the Major Leagues.

Very nice!

[Astrobabe]

I think it's becoming quite clear to me why I'm turning into an alcoholic.

[HudsonHawk]

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I think it's becoming quite clear to me why I'm turning into an alcoholic.

Yes, Oklahoma will do that to a person.

[guitarcec]

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After a complete bullpen collapse, Qualls, Miller, and Nieve (anyone else?) pitch sterling work.  Night and day.  A terrible, terrible win, but a victory against the White Sox at long last.  Thank you to whichever deity made this possible.

No such thing as a terrible win.  This isn't college football, a win is a win is a win.  The all count the same.

true, but it's sad to watch roy o pitch as well as he did and not have anything to show for it. last year it was clemens and the offense, this year it's oswalt and the bullpen. how can such weird patterns consistently happen? what a strange team the astros are...

[Rebel Jew]

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After a complete bullpen collapse, Qualls, Miller, and Nieve (anyone else?) pitch sterling work.  Night and day.  A terrible, terrible win, but a victory against the White Sox at long last.  Thank you to whichever deity made this possible.

No such thing as a terrible win.  This isn't college football, a win is a win is a win.  The all count the same.

true, but it's sad to watch roy o pitch as well as he did and not have anything to show for it. last year it was clemens and the offense, this year it's oswalt and the bullpen. how can such weird patterns consistently happen? what a strange team the astros are...

i think this whole concept of the pitcher "having something to show for it" is pretty much fan/tv announcer-created poppycock.  somehow i don't think roy cares as much as you about whether he got credited with the statistic of "win."

[jasonact]

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i think this whole concept of the pitcher "having something to show for it" is pretty much fan/tv announcer-created poppycock.  somehow i don't think roy cares as much as you about whether he got credited with the statistic of "win."

On an off-topic but related note, the announcers on espn radio's broadcast of the game last night said that going into the game the Astros bullpen had an ERA this season over 8.00 in Oswalt starts. Needless to say, that went up last night with 7 ER in 6 IP. For me that's an unbelievable stat. I've tried to stat listings online to help me compare that to other starting pitchers, but I can't find that accessible online. Any ideas?

[HudsonHawk]

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true, but it's sad to watch roy o pitch as well as he did and not have anything to show for it. last year it was clemens and the offense, this year it's oswalt and the bullpen. how can such weird patterns consistently happen? what a strange team the astros are...

What do you mean "nothing to show for it".  They got a win to show for it, same as if they'd won 20-0.

[guitarcec]

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i think this whole concept of the pitcher "having something to show for it" is pretty much fan/tv announcer-created poppycock.  somehow i don't think roy cares as much as you about whether he got credited with the statistic of "win."

i don't really care if roy gets the win at all. my comment still stands...it's sad that roy pitched as well as he did and didn't get the win. what's wrong with that? quit being so damn picky.

i'm still blown away that they won this game. when trever miller came in to face thome, i walked out of the room. i was sure the game was going to end with a walk-off. when teams come back and tie from that deficit, they usually go ahead and take the game, as well. here's to no game-tying grand slams in detroit.

[guitarcec]

joey trum - on a different and nicer note, thanks again for the chicago food advice. we had an incredible time. we ended up going to pequod's pizza down close to the depaul campus, and it was incredible pizza. like nothing i've ever had before. we didn't have a chance to eat hot dogs any place other than wrigley, but i didn't find them all that bad, either...

[HudsonHawk]

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i don't really care if roy gets the win at all. my comment still stands...it's sad that roy pitched as well as he did and didn't get the win. what's wrong with that? quit being so damn picky.

Apparentely you DO care whether or not Roy gets the win. There is no "ROY" in "TEAM".

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i'm still blown away that they won this game. when trever miller came in to face thome, i walked out of the room. i was sure the game was going to end with a walk-off.

The Astros appreciate your confidence in them.

[guitarcec]

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Apparentely you DO care whether or not Roy gets the win. There is no "ROY" in "TEAM".

there is a "ROY" in "VICTORY", though. but then again, what the hell does that have to do with anything? keep your stupid acronyms to yourself. and for the record, i think roy (and his wins) is a pretty HUGE part of this team and any success they have.

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    i'm still blown away that they won this game. when trever miller came in to face thome, i walked out of the room. i was sure the game was going to end with a walk-off.

The Astros appreciate your confidence in them.

yeah, they checked this board, read my post, and then decided whether or not to appreciate it. who are the astros you speak of, anyway? did the whole team read my post or was it just trever miller. or was it drayton mclane? let me know, cause i'd like to know who i offended, besides your ego.

it's beyond me as to why *some people* on this forum go out of their way to trash-talk eveyone they don't like who posts. you really had to stretch to get me on this one, HH. oh, i have an idea - you and jim should have an "asshole-off". have some clark write up a post and we'll see which one of you can make fun of it the best. my money is on jim - he's quite a bit more intelligent and witty than you could ever hope to be.

[Rebel Jew]

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it's beyond me as to why *some people* on this forum go out of their way to trash-talk eveyone they don't like who posts. you really had to stretch to get me on this one, HH. oh, i have an idea - you and jim should have an "asshole-off". have some clark write up a post and we'll see which one of you can make fun of it the best. my money is on jim - he's quite a bit more intelligent and witty than you could ever hope to be.

it's not about "trash-talking" any single persons, it's about answering invalid or just plain stupid posts.  you said what you said, lots of people disagreed, so either defend what you said on its own merits, ignore the criticism, or acknowledge it and move on.  but don't get pissy about it.

[HudsonHawk]

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let me know, cause i'd like to know who i offended, besides your ego.

Didn't offend my ego, I'm just pointing out what a whiny little fuck you're being.

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it's beyond me as to why *some people* on this forum go out of their way to trash-talk eveyone they don't like who posts.

I've never met you, so I don't know if I like you or not.  

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you really had to stretch to get me on this one, HH.

No stretch here, you're dipshit comments are pretty easy targets.

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 oh, i have an idea - you and jim should have an "asshole-off". have some clark write up a post and we'll see which one of you can make fun of it the best.

Jim's been at it a lot longer than I have.

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my money is on jim - he's quite a bit more intelligent and witty than you could ever hope to be.

Well, maybe.  But you're certainly not.

[JimR]

wow, i get bashed, and i am not even part of this thread. better get into it now.

who wins the game is irrelevant as long as the team wins. you are dead wrong.

[guitarcec]

no offense was meant to you by those comments, jim. you take pride in the way you deal with people, and that's fine. you're at least not reckless with your comments towards people. they are always aimed exactly where you want them to be, and i can respect that. i also wholeheartedly agree with all three of you that the team winning is the most important thing. i played baseball as long as i could, and it definitely instilled that sentiment in me. i do, however feel for oswalt, who (even though i'm sure he cares more about the team win) has to have some feeling of disappointment with the streak that he and the bullpen have been on this season. they routinely blow games in which the astros were leading when he left the game. that's all i'm saying. bitch about it if you will.

back to baseball. do you think the bullpen's propensity to get hit hard after oswalt leaves a game has anything to do with the fact that oswalt, wheeler, qualls, and lidge have similar pitching styles and "stuff"? a team gets used to the velocity and aggresiveness of oswalt, and by the 7th inning is ready for the bullpen.

[JimR]

what i recall is that Roy blew his last start all by himself with no help from the bullpen, and he had a 4-1 lead. ditto his WS start. he blew that himself.

stuff like this happens to every pitcher on every team every year. i do not think there is a logical answer.

[jasonact]

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what i recall is that Roy blew his last start all by himself with no help from the bullpen, and he had a 4-1 lead. ditto his WS start. he blew that himself.

stuff like this happens to every pitcher on every team every year. i do not think there is a logical answer.

Be that as it may, it seems that the BP has been especially bad in his starts. As I mentioned in  another post, the ESPN Radio game announcers said that before last night, the Astros BP had an 8+ ERA when Roy starts. It only went up after 7ER in 6IP. I don't mean to say that there's an explanation for that, as there probably isn't one, only if nothing else, it shows that Roy (and of course, the team in those starts) has gotten no help from the BP this season. Just a weird and disturbing stat.