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« on: April 27, 2006, 12:11:28 pm »
Two versions of the same incident.  See if you can spot the agenda.

JOSE DE JESUS ORTIZ's version

Last October, Andy Pettitte admitted that at times he has scratched his head at some of manager Phil Garner's moves.
Pettitte made it clear he wasn't joking when he said he was upset Garner used Roy Oswalt to pinch hit in the 13th inning Tuesday night instead of him.
With Dodgers righthander Lance Carter pitching, the lefthanded Pettitte thought he would be a better bet than Oswalt.
Garner made light of the situation, but Pettitte said he wasn't joking. For the record, Garner said he would have picked Brandon Backe if Backe wasn't on the disabled list.
"I just have a lot more confidence," Pettitte said. "I'm a lefthanded hitter and they're going to send a righty up there against a righthander. I guess I'd figure they'd send me out there instead of Roy. Everybody wanted to make a big joke about it and everybody's having a good time about it.
"I'm not joking at all. (Garner) knows how I feel about it."
Oswalt defended Garner's choice even though he struck out in his first career pinch-hit appearance.
"Just look at the track record and you'd understand why," Oswalt said. "Go back three years or go back the first year and see where I've placed against the other pitchers on the team."
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Alyson Footer's version

Snubbed: Andy Pettitte is the furthest thing from high maintenance as you'll find in a Major Leaguer, which is why the exchange between the lefty and Roy Oswalt during batting practice on Wednesday was so funny.
Manager Phil Garner started the "controversy" by suggesting Pettitte was incensed with the manager's choice to use Oswalt as a pinch-hitter in the 13th inning on Tuesday -- after the bench was depleted of position players -- instead of Pettitte.
"Andy was very disappointed that I would choose Roy over him," Garner said. "I'm not sure if Andy's going to show up today. I don't know how far he's going to take this, whether there's going to be a lawsuit filed. It's very disappointing."
On the field, Oswalt and Petttite exchanged barbs after they took turns hitting in the cage.
"Look back and look at the stats over the years," Oswalt said. "Who leads the Major League pitching staff [in hitting] every year?"
It's true that Oswalt has the advantage. He's 51-for-324 in his career with a .157 average. Pettitte is hitting .107, logging 13 hits in 121 at-bats.
But to compare the two is unfair. Pettitte played his first nine years in the American League, where he batted far fewer times.
Hogwash, said Oswalt.
"You're either a born athlete or you're not," he said.
Pettitte rushed to his own defense.
"The manager obviously needed to plead insanity for about an hour and a half last night," he said.
Did he attempt to make eye contact in the dugout with Garner, to let him know he was available and willing to pinch-hit?
"Didn't need to," Pettitte said. "I was sitting right there, and I was told to leave my tennis shoes on."
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Re: Trying to start some shit
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2006, 12:20:32 pm »
What a tool.
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Re: Trying to start some shit
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2006, 12:32:46 pm »
A couple of years ago, J. De J. O. was on 610's morning show, talking about how he much he enjoyed working in the New York press.  He really admired the way that they tear into people.

He practically admitted that ripping players/causing controversy is the reason he signed up for the job.  A sad little man, to be certain.
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Re: Trying to start some shit
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2006, 12:37:33 pm »
Damn.  I haven't read the Chronicle in a while.  Sad to see that Ortiz's diseased brain is still hocking loogies of crazy onto the Chronicle readers.

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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2006, 12:38:42 pm »
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Damn.  I haven't read the Chronicle in a while.  Sad to see that Ortiz's diseased brain is still hocking loogies of crazy onto the Chronicle readers.




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Re: Trying to start some shit
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2006, 12:40:56 pm »
Let's see... no sense of sarcasm, inability to understand reality, senseless shit-stirring...

Well, at least we know DaWarrior's true identity now... "anonymous forum" be damned!
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2006, 12:43:17 pm »
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Two versions of the same incident.  See if you can spot the agenda.





Excellent (if a bit inbred) work, BTW.

Is Ortiz this much of a prick?  Or just so humorless/stupid he missed the whole thing?

Either way, not so good.

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Re: Trying to start some shit
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2006, 12:49:22 pm »
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Excellent (if a bit inbred) work, BTW.

Is Ortiz this much of a prick?  Or just so humorless/stupid he missed the whole thing?

Either way, not so good.




I think it's all part of the Chonicle sportswriters' conscious effort to be "proper" journalists, and not laissez faire homers.  Trouble is, they have a clumbhouse (sic - for all you Clarks) that is mostly devoid of controversy* or in-fighting.

* FTR, I pronounce this "controversy".
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Very disappointing
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2006, 12:57:39 pm »
Buster Olney's  blog picks up Ortiz's version of events.
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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2006, 01:04:07 pm »
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Trouble is, they have a clumbhouse (sic - for all you Clarks)




FTR, it's "clumbhouser".
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Re: Very disappointing
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2006, 01:08:52 pm »
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Buster Olney's  blog picks up Ortiz's version of events.




I almost see a smirk on Olney's face regarding that. He might be in on the joke, but enjoying it nonetheless.
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2006, 02:08:20 pm »
Are all the Chronicle columnistas persona non grata with the Astros?
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2006, 02:08:50 pm »
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Buster Olney's  blog picks up Ortiz's version of events.




I almost see a smirk on Olney's face regarding that. He might be in on the joke, but enjoying it nonetheless.




The use of the word "miffed" would lead me to think so- Olney might be guilty of controversy-mongering at times, but he's generally pretty sharp.
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2006, 03:11:06 pm »
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Are all the Chronicle columnistas persona non grata with the Astros?




McTaggert seems to have some access.  But there may have been something with him too. Cant recall.  I would say, judging from the types and accuracy of the information they present in their articles, that they are personae au gratin with the Astros clubhouse.

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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2006, 03:18:29 pm »
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Are all the Chronicle columnistas persona non grata with the Astros?




McTaggert seems to have some access.  But there may have been something with him too. Cant recall.  I would say, judging from the types and accuracy of the information they present in their articles, that they are persona au gratin with the Astros clubhouse.





It would be helpful to know if these guys are purposely avoiding the use of facts in their stories, or if they are just making due because of a stonewall effort by the Astros.
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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2006, 03:27:09 pm »
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Are all the Chronicle columnistas persona non grata with the Astros?




McTaggert seems to have some access.  But there may have been something with him too. Cant recall.  I would say, judging from the types and accuracy of the information they present in their articles, that they are persona au gratin with the Astros clubhouse.




It would be helpful to know if these guys are purposely avoiding the use of facts in their stories, or if they are just making due because of a stonewall effort by the Astros.




Why is it helpful to know?  Either way, they are incapable of doing their jobs.
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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2006, 03:40:41 pm »
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Are all the Chronicle columnistas persona non grata with the Astros?




McTaggert seems to have some access.  But there may have been something with him too. Cant recall.  I would say, judging from the types and accuracy of the information they present in their articles, that they are persona au gratin with the Astros clubhouse.




It would be helpful to know if these guys are purposely avoiding the use of facts in their stories, or if they are just making due because of a stonewall effort by the Astros.




Why is it helpful to know?  Either way, they are incapable of doing their jobs.




Curiosity I guess. Would give me a better perspective on the drivel.
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« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2006, 03:49:54 pm »
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Are all the Chronicle columnistas persona non grata with the Astros?




McTaggert seems to have some access.  But there may have been something with him too. Cant recall.  I would say, judging from the types and accuracy of the information they present in their articles, that they are persona au gratin with the Astros clubhouse.




It would be helpful to know if these guys are purposely avoiding the use of facts in their stories, or if they are just making due because of a stonewall effort by the Astros.




Why is it helpful to know?  Either way, they are incapable of doing their jobs.




Curiosity I guess. Would give me a better perspective on the drivel.




I think we're safe in saying Lopez, Ortiz, Justice have agendas.  Look at today's instance Ortiz was obviously standing right next to Footer when all that was said.  Same facts, different conclusions.  Access, no access, they have a certain story they want to write.  Ortiz did it last year, trying to pretend there was clubhouse issues, and he just cited anonymous sources.  And before anyone says what if Footer is wrong, she's a front office shill? It's Pettitte, it's Oswalt, does anyone think either of those two care less about pinch hitting?

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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2006, 04:39:40 pm »
without trying to start any shit, why do you all keep reading what these guys have to say? If Lopez, Ortiz, Justice are idiots, why waste your time?

I read the daily game recap from here (thanks for the RSS feed, Waldo) and that gets me a better view of the game than anything I'll find on chron.com

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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2006, 04:46:43 pm »
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without trying to start any shit, why do you all keep reading what these guys have to say? If Lopez, Ortiz, Justice are idiots, why waste your time?

I read the daily game recap from here (thanks for the RSS feed, Waldo) and that gets me a better view of the game than anything I'll find on chron.com





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Re: Trying to start some shit
« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2006, 04:49:00 pm »
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It's Pettitte, it's Oswalt, does anyone think either of those two care less about pinch hitting?



If I had my druthers, I'd forfeit 90% of Pettitte's plate appearances.  "Just go ahead and record a strike out"."
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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2006, 04:50:42 pm »
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without trying to start any shit, why do you all keep reading what these guys have to say? If Lopez, Ortiz, Justice are idiots, why waste your time?



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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2006, 04:57:08 pm »
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without trying to start any shit, why do you all keep reading what these guys have to say? If Lopez, Ortiz, Justice are idiots, why waste your time?

I read the daily game recap from here (thanks for the RSS feed, Waldo) and that gets me a better view of the game than anything I'll find on chron.com





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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2006, 07:14:15 pm »
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It's Pettitte, it's Oswalt, does anyone think either of those two care less about pinch hitting?



If I had my druthers, I'd forfeit 90% of Pettitte's plate appearances.  "Just go ahead and record a strike out"."





I've thought the same thing since he hurt himself swinging early in 2004.

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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2006, 07:43:07 pm »
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without trying to start any shit, why do you all keep reading what these guys have to say? If Lopez, Ortiz, Justice are idiots, why waste your time?






I usually only read them when linked from here. Guys like Fran Blinebury, Dale Robertson, and Mickey Herskowitz, chased me off long ago.
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« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2006, 08:44:40 pm »
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without trying to start any shit, why do you all keep reading what these guys have to say? If Lopez, Ortiz, Justice are idiots, why waste your time?





It is quite tempting, and probably more sane, to just ignore them altogether.

But in a way, its letting them get away with their bullshit, they maybe even take it as tacit approval.  Its not that important a thing, of course, but since we know Lopez reads this site, and are pretty sure Ortiz and Justice do, I'd rather endure the pain of slogging through their "stories" and then call them all slack mofo's every day of the week, than just act like I don't care.

It won't make them better writers, or more accountable or anything honorable like that, but I'll feel better, and those fuckers will at least know at least some see right through their weak-ass shit.

(I copped part of this, more-or-less, from Washington's charges to his troops at Valley Forge... or was it John Winger in the motor pool?... anyway, some inspirational patriot.)

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« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2006, 11:27:09 pm »
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without trying to start any shit, why do you all keep reading what these guys have to say? If Lopez, Ortiz, Justice are idiots, why waste your time?






I usually only read them when linked from here. Guys like Fran Blinebury, Dale Robertson, and Mickey Herskowitz, chased me off long ago.





Those are a whole nother dante ring of sad sack anal leakage hell.

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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2006, 12:54:51 am »
Dale Robertson? Micky Herskowitz? Man, those guys were sucking in the 70's.
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« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2006, 12:59:33 am »
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Dale Robertson? Micky Herskowitz? Man, those guys were sucking in the 70's.



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