Jeriome 15 Game Winner Robertson signs

[pravata]

The Newark Bears Professional Baseball Club announced today they have signed former Houston Astros left-handed pitcher Jeriome Robertson to a contract for the 2006 season....

...said Bears General Manager John Brandt. "Bringing the experience of being a 15-game winner in the major leagues will benefit the team on and off the field."
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[David in Jackson]

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The Newark Bears Professional Baseball Club announced today they have signed former Houston Astros left-handed pitcher Jeriome Robertson to a contract for the 2006 season....

...said Bears General Manager John Brandt. "Bringing the experience of being a 15-game winner in the major leagues will benefit the team on and off the field."
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Got to be one of the strangest careers in ML history: 16 career wins.

2002: Zero
2003: 15 wins
2004: 1.

[MikeyBoy]

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The Newark Bears Professional Baseball Club announced today they have signed former Houston Astros left-handed pitcher Jeriome Robertson to a contract for the 2006 season....

...said Bears General Manager John Brandt. "Bringing the experience of being a 15-game winner in the major leagues will benefit the team on and off the field."
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Got to be one of the strangest careers in ML history: 16 career wins.

2002: Zero
2003: 15 wins
2004: 1.

Obviously, he took steroids in 2003. I mean, how else can you explain an anomaly like that? He's the pitching version of Brady Anderson.

[Bench]

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The Newark Bears Professional Baseball Club announced today they have signed former Houston Astros left-handed pitcher Jeriome Robertson to a contract for the 2006 season....

...said Bears General Manager John Brandt. "Bringing the experience of being a 15-game winner in the major leagues will benefit the team on and off the field."
The Link

Got to be one of the strangest careers in ML history: 16 career wins.

2002: Zero
2003: 15 wins
2004: 1.

Obviously, he took steroids in 2003. I mean, how else can you explain an anomaly like that? He's the pitching version of Brady Anderson.

I hate to say it, but you got to wonder what's causing 15 wins in a 28 year old.

[Matthew Becker]

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The Newark Bears Professional Baseball Club announced today they have signed former Houston Astros left-handed pitcher Jeriome Robertson to a contract for the 2006 season....

...said Bears General Manager John Brandt. "Bringing the experience of being a 15-game winner in the major leagues will benefit the team on and off the field."
The Link

Got to be one of the strangest careers in ML history: 16 career wins.

2002: Zero
2003: 15 wins
2004: 1.

Obviously, he took steroids in 2003. I mean, how else can you explain an anomaly like that? He's the pitching version of Brady Anderson.

I hate to say it, but you got to wonder what's causing 15 wins in a 28 year old.

Run support.

Dude's ERA was astronomical that year.  He was always a bad pitcher...he just got on a streak where he happened to win a few games.

[CrawfordBoxes]

I don't remember any of Robertson's wins. All I remember is the game against the Brewers at the end of the year that we needed to win, and he couldn't even get out of the first damn inning!!!

[BudGirl]

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The Newark Bears Professional Baseball Club announced today they have signed former Houston Astros left-handed pitcher Jeriome Robertson to a contract for the 2006 season....

...said Bears General Manager John Brandt. "Bringing the experience of being a 15-game winner in the major leagues will benefit the team on and off the field."
The Link

Got to be one of the strangest careers in ML history: 16 career wins.

2002: Zero
2003: 15 wins
2004: 1.

Obviously, he took steroids in 2003. I mean, how else can you explain an anomaly like that? He's the pitching version of Brady Anderson.

I hate to say it, but you got to wonder what's causing 15 wins in a 28 year old.

Run support.

Dude's ERA was astronomical that year.  He was always a bad pitcher...he just got on a streak where he happened to win a few games.

You may not realize it, but that "wonder what's causing..." is in reference to an issue of someone assuming something and being wrong.

[Ty in Tampa]

is in reference to an issue of someone assuming something and being wrong.

...and of course, the epic spewfest that went along with it.

[homer]

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is in reference to an issue of someone assuming something and being wrong.

...and of course, the epic spewfest that went along with it.

 Spewfest link

[Matthew Becker]

LOL.

I missed this place.

[David in Jackson]

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I don't remember any of Robertson's wins. All I remember is the game against the Brewers at the end of the year that we needed to win, and he couldn't even get out of the first damn inning!!!

I flew to Houston to watch that d*** game.  I was pacing the concourse disgusted by the 2nd inning.

[Froback]

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I don't remember any of Robertson's wins. All I remember is the game against the Brewers at the end of the year that we needed to win, and he couldn't even get out of the first damn inning!!!

All I remember about him is he landed us Wily T and Luke Scott.

[Mr. Happy]

ERA was a bloated 5.10. Nice for a 15-9 record.

[BizidyDizidy]

We've been over this before, but it was more like a tale of two pitchers. His ERA in wins was actually pretty decent.

[Mr. Happy]

I now recall a discussion of something like that as well. Still in all, winning 15 with a fivera is pretty rare.

[BizidyDizidy]

Just looked it up because I'm bored:

In 15 wins he had a 2.05 ERA. He never gave up more than 3 runs in a win. If you look up the games, they are all pretty impressive, including 3 games where he didn't allow a single run, 5 games where he allowed one run, and 4 games where he allowed two runs.

As good as he was in the wins, he was just as awful in his losses. He had an 11.70 and allowed numerous runs, often in very few innings.

It's certainly wrong to say that he only one 15 games because of good run support - every game he won except one was a quality start and he was often excellent. Anyone but clemens should have expected to win them.

[HurricaneDavid]

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I don't remember any of Robertson's wins. All I remember is the game against the Brewers at the end of the year that we needed to win, and he couldn't even get out of the first damn inning!!!

I flew to Houston to watch that d*** game.  I was pacing the concourse disgusted by the 2nd inning.

That game will probably go down in history as the only regular season Astros game aired by Fox in DC.  I'm still scratching my head over that one.

[Rebel Jew]

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Just looked it up because I'm bored:

In 15 wins he had a 2.05 ERA. He never gave up more than 3 runs in a win. If you look up the games, they are all pretty impressive, including 3 games where he didn't allow a single run, 5 games where he allowed one run, and 4 games where he allowed two runs.

As good as he was in the wins, he was just as awful in his losses. He had an 11.70 and allowed numerous runs, often in very few innings.

It's certainly wrong to say that he only one 15 games because of good run support - every game he won except one was a quality start and he was often excellent. Anyone but clemens should have expected to win them.

for once, BZ, i do not feel like calling you a fucking idiot or stanford twat.

from what i remember, jr hit a groove mid-year and had quality start after quality start.  redding was the better pitcher, but he never seemed to make it past the 4th or 5th inning.  however, as has been brought up here before, jeriome had incredible luck with opponents in that he seemed to face nothing but brewers and pirates for most of the year.

[VirtualBob]

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Just looked it up because I'm bored:

In 15 wins he had a 2.05 ERA. He never gave up more than 3 runs in a win. If you look up the games, they are all pretty impressive, including 3 games where he didn't allow a single run, 5 games where he allowed one run, and 4 games where he allowed two runs.

As good as he was in the wins, he was just as awful in his losses. He had an 11.70 and allowed numerous runs, often in very few innings.

It's certainly wrong to say that he only one 15 games because of good run support - every game he won except one was a quality start and he was often excellent. Anyone but clemens should have expected to win them.

That certainly matches my recollection of his season in RR.  He was a short man out of the pen ... he would surprise me by actually getting a few outs 2-3 games in a row ... sort of lulling me to sleep ... then he would get blasted 2-3 games in a row (only the first a surprise).

[strosrays]

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In 15 wins he had a 2.05 ERA. He never gave up more than 3 runs in a win. If you look up the games, they are all pretty impressive, including 3 games where he didn't allow a single run, 5 games where he allowed one run, and 4 games where he allowed two runs.

As good as he was in the wins, he was just as awful in his losses. He had an 11.70 and allowed numerous runs, often in very few innings.

This is de rigueur for soft tossers, no?  If they ar "on", they are pretty fun to watch (and Robertson was smoking the good shit alot that season.)  But the margin for error is awfully thin.

Think Kirk Saarloos.

Anyway, I have positive memories of Robertson.  Came out of nowhere, won um, can't remember... somewhere around a dozen or more games one year.  Then, just before he slides back into deserved obscurity, Hunsicker turns him into a starting CF.

Stuff like that doesn't happen every day.

[BizidyDizidy]

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This is de rigueur for soft tossers, no?  If they ar "on", they are pretty fun to watch (and Robertson was smoking the good shit alot that season.)  But the margin for error is awfully thin.

 

I guess the question is, is it worth it to have a guy who is dominant in 15 games a year and a crap sandwich in the rest of the games? There don't really seem to be any signs that Jeriome can be a viable ML pitcher, but would you take that season every year?

[VirtualBob]

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Then, just before he slides back into deserved obscurity, Hunsicker turns him into a starting CF.

Stuff like that doesn't happen every day.

Yep.  The Hun really scored on that one!

[ValpoCory]

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I don't remember any of Robertson's wins. All I remember is the game against the Brewers at the end of the year that we needed to win, and he couldn't even get out of the first damn inning!!!

All I remember about him is he landed us Wily T and Luke Scott.

Beautiful.

[WulawHorn]

BD- My answer to the question is yes, such a speciman would be worth having on the team and in the rotation if he was a 4th starter type guy and you had some innings eaters in the rotation around him.  Have 5 guys like that and you absolutely kill your bullpen.  Have a 4th or 5th guy like that and its ok b/c you win more than you lose, and don't decimate the bully all by yourself.

Just my thought on the issue.

[No? in Austin]

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It's certainly wrong to say that he only one 15 games because of good run support - every game he won except one was a quality start and he was often excellent.

If I remember correctly, Robertson got most of his wins at the expense of the Reds who he just so happen to be facing at the right time almost every start he had.  The Reds, again if I remember correctly, were horrible that year due to injuries to just about every starter on their team (see: Astros 2000, Houston).  Roberston just had the Red's number that year for some odd reason, a Reds team that was at best a AAA team flaying at pitches in the dirt at almost every turn.

[strosrays]

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BD- My answer to the question is yes, such a speciman would be worth having on the team and in the rotation if he was a 4th starter type guy and you had some innings eaters in the rotation around him.  Have 5 guys like that and you absolutely kill your bullpen.  Have a 4th or 5th guy like that and its ok b/c you win more than you lose, and don't decimate the bully all by yourself.

Just my thought on the issue.

One aspect of relying heavily on pitch counts these days not widely discussed is sort of the flip side of pulling a guy out just because he has thrown X number of pitches in a game.  That is, a manager today is more likely to leave a guy out there who hasn't come close to 100 pitches yet, or whatever the limit is.  Even if he is getting shelled.

Go back through retrosheet.org, and you will find back in the days when men were men and starters completed many of their starts (60's-70's-80's), a starter who faltered was much more likely to get the hook real early on in a game than he would be in the present day.  A manager and/or pitching coach didn't take long to decide ol' Hoss, out there sweating and fidgeting on the mound after having just given up a three-run dinger in the first, just didn't 'have it' today, and out he came; didn't matter if it was the third inning, or top of the first.

Of course, ol' Hoss could expect to be used in long or short relief the next couple of days, if needed.  If not, he might be starting a game again the day after next.  One thing that startles you going through those games is how flexible the rotations were then, actually the staffs in general.  I think it is kind of funny that a legitimate concern now is 'killing' your 7-8 man bullpen with some bad starts; when ol' Hoss's manager more likely than not had to find ways to get his 5-man pen work, even though he'd pull a starter without his stuff after 1/3 an inning now and then.

Anyway, back then would be a better environment to have a soft-tosser or two on the staff.  In Jeriome's case, he'd never have been left out there long enough to run up the high runs allowed totals in his less-than-good starts.

There were a lot more successful, non-flamethrowing starters 20, 30, 40 years ago than now.   One reason why, I think, is over-reliance on pitch counts.  Just not the way people normally think of it.

[VirtualBob]

Great historical perspective.  Thanks.

[Astroholic]

Strosrays brings to mind another idea about pitching that has changed over the last few years. When I was a kid teams used their bullpens differently.  It used to be that a guy would come in from the pen and if he could not get the batter out, he would be replaced.  The old saying "just not his night" would be heard all around the ball park.  Now days, it seems that a manager will stick with a pitcher, whom is in there "role", until he does his job or fails badly.  Do you think this has to do with a guy?s confidence or maybe with how much money certain guys make? (This is the idea and I could be off base but, 7, 8 and 9 inning guys make more money that middle relief, so does the manager stick with these guys longer even though they don?t have their stuff on a certain night?)

[JimR]

hell, no. managers try to win games still.

[Astroholic]

Fair enough.

[das]

Just for the fun of it:
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[Astroholic]

There is alot of fine pitching mentioned in that link.