Hanley Ramirez

[Taras Bulba]

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, what a butcher he was last night.  Brutal.  I'm thinking he'll be included in infield practice this afternoon.

[pravata]

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At the risk of pointing out the obvious, what a butcher he was last night.  Brutal.  I'm thinking he'll be included in infield practice this afternoon.

He was moving back on everything.  The one time he came in he made the play.  I liked the caroom off the throat that almost got the force at second.

[S.P. Rodriguez]

He's young and was probably nervous but what an awful first game.  2 errors (and I recall a third play being questionable as well) and 3 strike outs.  At least he got a single.  It's only the first game but what a rough way to start your career.

[Alkie]

Did I hear Brownie right?  There are 28 rookies on the Fish 40-man?

If we don't sweep these guys, we should cry ourselves to sleep.

[MusicMan]

35 of their 40 man spent at least part of last year in the minors.

[Alkie]

So, in all honesty, this really is a AAA club with D-Train and Cabrera.

[Fredia]

aslo heard their average age was like 10 years younger than the astros.the youngest team on the field this year

[David in Jackson]

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So, in all honesty, this really is a AAA club with D-Train and Cabrera.

If that.  They don't have traditional AAAA guys like Klassan or Orie in the bigs, that I know of.

Speaking of AAAA, former Astro farmhand Dax Norris has washed up as a catcher on our local AA Southern League affiliate, the Mississippi Braves.

[Foghorn]

They've got a host of good young players.  hermida will be a player, despite the obvious taunts of hermaphrodite.  The 1B they got for Delgado is supposed to be a player as well.

By the time the kids are ready to really contribute, Willis and Cabrera will be making $12M each.  Probably for another team.

[Waldo]

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and I recall a third play being questionable as well

The throw to third to try to get Biggio on the slow grounder by Taveras was a poor play.  The ball got away from Cabrera, and had it not dribbled back towards home plate, Biggio could've broken for home.  Of course, he ended up scoring on the wild pitch anyway.

[JimR]

it was the only play he had. not a poor play, imo.

[Bench]

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He's young and was probably nervous but what an awful first game.  2 errors (and I recall a third play being questionable as well) and 3 strike outs.  At least he got a single.  It's only the first game but what a rough way to start your career.

The "unofficial" errors included botching the exchange on a double play. The next inning (or so) there was a similar play and the second baseman decided not to toss the ball to Hanley, instead attempting (unsuccessfully) to turn it himself. I chalk that decision up to Hanley's earlier struggles. Tough day for the kid. After his first at bat, he was basically a statue at the plate.

[Waldo]

Maybe just a bad throw then?  I don't remember exactly, but I think I remember it bouncing before it got to Cabrera.

[astrojo]

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Tough day for the kid. After his first at bat, he was basically a statue at the plate.

not to mention the caught stealing.

[HudsonHawk]

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The "unofficial" errors included botching the exchange on a double play. The next inning (or so) there was a similar play and the second baseman decided not to toss the ball to Hanley, instead attempting (unsuccessfully) to turn it himself.

Actually, it was the very next batter.  But the secondbaseman did the right thing there.  He was right at the bag.  The fact that Haley dropped the previous ball didn't factor into it, I don't think.

[astro pete]

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Maybe just a bad throw then?  I don't remember exactly, but I think I remember it bouncing before it got to Cabrera.

It was a poor throw, but it was his only play for sure. I thought it was pretty heads-up, if not executed perfectly.

[Bench]

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The "unofficial" errors included botching the exchange on a double play. The next inning (or so) there was a similar play and the second baseman decided not to toss the ball to Hanley, instead attempting (unsuccessfully) to turn it himself.

Actually, it was the very next batter.  But the secondbaseman did the right thing there.  He was right at the bag.  The fact that Haley dropped the previous ball didn't factor into it, I don't think.

Thanks for the timing clarification.

I remember Hanley being right on the bag as well, about equidistant as the second baseman, and facing first base. There's nothing wrong with the sure out, but the second baseman still had to take a few steps to second, and turn completely around for the throw. It seemed to me that a flip to Hanley would have been a quicker play, and thus more likely to turn two.

[pravata]

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Maybe just a bad throw then?  I don't remember exactly, but I think I remember it bouncing before it got to Cabrera.

Biggio "When I saw the third baseman's eyes moving, I tried to adjust my slide so the ball would hit me in the back somehow. That worked out."

[No? in Austin]

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They've got a host of good young players.  hermida will be a player, despite the obvious taunts of hermaphrodite.  The 1B they got for Delgado is supposed to be a player as well.

By the time the kids are ready to really contribute, Willis and Cabrera will be making $12M each.  Probably for another team.

Jacobs.  Hermedia and Jacobs have two of the sweetest left handed swings I've seen since Lyle Overbay's first seasons in the bigs.  Those two are going to be studs one day... soon maybe even.  Luke Scott, for example, has a choppier swing compared to those two guys.

[Taras Bulba]

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They've got a host of good young players.  hermida will be a player, despite the obvious taunts of hermaphrodite.  The 1B they got for Delgado is supposed to be a player as well.

By the time the kids are ready to really contribute, Willis and Cabrera will be making $12M each.  Probably for another team.

Jacobs.  Hermedia and Jacobs have two of the sweetest left handed swings I've seen since Lyle Overbay's first seasons in the bigs.  Those two are going to be studs one day... soon maybe even.  Luke Scott, for example, has a choppier swing compared to those two guys.

It should be fun watching Hermedia and Jacobs tangle with Pettitte tonight, unless Girardi platoons.

[Andyzipp]

Especially since they're both going to the movies with Berkman today.  Ice Age 2.

[MusicMan]

I'm loath to mock the Marlins for rebuilding.  They've pretty well demonstrated that they know what they're doing when it comes to this routine.

[astro pete]

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I'm loath to mock the Marlins for rebuilding.  They've pretty well demonstrated that they know what they're doing when it comes to this routine.

So, the question is: would you rather field an annually competitive team (one that, say, has been to the post-season 6 of the last 9 years), but has not won a World Series, or one that generally blows every season but has won two World Series titles during that same span?

[MusicMan]

Different strokes for different folks.  Personally, I'd rather see the competitive team every year.

[toddthebod]

Except for the fact that the Marlins haven't been entirely crappy over the last 9 years.  Even though they didn't make the playoffs last season, they were in the race for most of the season.  They were over .500 in 2004 as well.  In fact, over the past 9 years, there have only been two years where the Marlins really, truly sucked.

[HudsonHawk]

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Except for the fact that the Marlins haven't been entirely crappy over the last 9 years.  Even though they didn't make the playoffs last season, they were in the race for most of the season.  They were over .500 in 2004 as well.  In fact, over the past 9 years, there have only been two years where the Marlins really, truly sucked.

They sucked in 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, and 2002.  That's five by my count.  Tack onto that incredible suckitude in 1993, 1994, and 1995, below .500 in 1996 and barely .500 in 2004 and 2005, and I'd say it's pretty well apparent that aside from their two World Series years, the Marlins haven't been much to write home about.

[astro pete]

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Except for the fact that the Marlins haven't been entirely crappy over the last 9 years.  Even though they didn't make the playoffs last season, they were in the race for most of the season.  They were over .500 in 2004 as well.  In fact, over the past 9 years, there have only been two years where the Marlins really, truly sucked.

Well, the Marlins won in 1997, then finished under .500 in each of the next five seasons until winning again in 2003.  In 2004 and 2005 we were told how good they were, but they finished each of those seasons with 83 wins.  83 wins barely counts in the Race for the Lid.?