Toronto signs extension with Halladay

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In a press conference on Thursday at Knology Park, the Blue Jays announced that they had agreed to a three-year, $40 million contract extension with their prize pitcher through the 2010 season. Halladay, who had been signed through 2007, will make $10 million in 2008, $14.25 million in 2009 and $15.75 million in 2010.
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Could be relevant to Oswalt's situation.

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In a press conference on Thursday at Knology Park, the Blue Jays announced that they had agreed to a three-year, $40 million contract extension with their prize pitcher through the 2010 season. Halladay, who had been signed through 2007, will make $10 million in 2008, $14.25 million in 2009 and $15.75 million in 2010.
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Could be relevant to Oswalt's situation.

I think you are right.  Give or take a bulldozer.

[Taras Bulba]

By now, Roy's looking for a backhoe and a front end loader.

[Froback]

I think this is an excellent comparrison pitcher to Roy.  I look at both of them the same way.  They are under-rated Aces.  I would take Halliday over any pitcher in the AL other than Santanna I think.

[Reuben]

I agree. Aside from H's bizarre second-year meltdown, and the league differences, the two Roys are very comparable.

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By now, Roy's looking for a backhoe and a front end loader.

It would be a big mistake for the Astros to meet those demands.  It's likely he'd retire on the spot.

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In a press conference on Thursday at Knology Park, the Blue Jays announced that they had agreed to a three-year, $40 million contract extension with their prize pitcher through the 2010 season. Halladay, who had been signed through 2007, will make $10 million in 2008, $14.25 million in 2009 and $15.75 million in 2010.
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Could be relevant to Oswalt's situation.

They just paid Halladay $15 million for the 2010 season.  That's five years away.  Didn't Roy (and Purpura) recently say he didn't want to do a four year deal?

Anyways, the last thing we need is Toronto influencing the market.

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They just paid Halladay $15 million for the 2010 season.  That's five years away.  Didn't Roy (and Purpura) recently say he didn't want to do a four year deal?

Anyways, the last thing we need is Toronto influencing the market.

It's all about the extensions. What he really wants is a series of three-year extensions that add up to another 12 or 15 years. Get him locked up through 2021 (with a back-loaded deal, of course, worth $37 mil in 2021).

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In a press conference on Thursday at Knology Park, the Blue Jays announced that they had agreed to a three-year, $40 million contract extension with their prize pitcher through the 2010 season. Halladay, who had been signed through 2007, will make $10 million in 2008, $14.25 million in 2009 and $15.75 million in 2010.
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Could be relevant to Oswalt's situation.

They just paid Halladay $15 million for the 2010 season.  That's five years away.  Didn't Roy (and Purpura) recently say he didn't want to do a four year deal?

Anyways, the last thing we need is Toronto influencing the market.

Irrelevant.  Oswalt wants to sign an extension this month.  This month, this is what extensions for pitchers looks like. As for the influence of Toronto, you must have missed the BJ Ryan signing.

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In a press conference on Thursday at Knology Park, the Blue Jays announced that they had agreed to a three-year, $40 million contract extension with their prize pitcher through the 2010 season. Halladay, who had been signed through 2007, will make $10 million in 2008, $14.25 million in 2009 and $15.75 million in 2010.
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Could be relevant to Oswalt's situation.

They just paid Halladay $15 million for the 2010 season.  That's five years away.  Didn't Roy (and Purpura) recently say he didn't want to do a four year deal?

Anyways, the last thing we need is Toronto influencing the market.

Irrelevant.  Oswalt wants to sign an extension this month.  This month, this is what extensions for pitchers looks like. As for the influence of Toronto, you must have missed the BJ Ryan signing.

I agree that Halladay's extension may affect Oswalt's, although if Oswalt were to get one tomorrow, it wouldn't be through 2010.  All parties have clearly established that.

The Eyes of March??

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In a press conference on Thursday at Knology Park, the Blue Jays announced that they had agreed to a three-year, $40 million contract extension with their prize pitcher through the 2010 season. Halladay, who had been signed through 2007, will make $10 million in 2008, $14.25 million in 2009 and $15.75 million in 2010.
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Could be relevant to Oswalt's situation.

They just paid Halladay $15 million for the 2010 season.  That's five years away.  Didn't Roy (and Purpura) recently say he didn't want to do a four year deal?

Anyways, the last thing we need is Toronto influencing the market.

Irrelevant.  Oswalt wants to sign an extension this month.  This month, this is what extensions for pitchers looks like. As for the influence of Toronto, you must have missed the BJ Ryan signing.

I agree that Halladay's extension may affect Oswalt's, although if Oswalt were to get one tomorrow, it wouldn't be through 2010.  All parties have clearly established that.

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I don't think anything has been clearly established.  Seems to me the situation has changed dramatically.  Oswalt could very well be asking for a 3 to 4 year extension to his contract.  If he's expecting the Astros to sign him to a free agent type deal that could easily be the case.  Oswalt on the free market?  Anything could happen.

Yeah. Consider yourselves lucky that I didn't type Et tu Drayton?

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I don't think anything has been clearly established.  Seems to me the situation has changed dramatically.  Oswalt could very well be asking for a 3 to 4 year extension to his contract.  If he's expecting the Astros to sign him to a free agent type deal that could easily be the case.  Oswalt on the free market?  Anything could happen.

Yeah. Consider yourselves lucky that I didn't type Et tu Drayton?

You may very well be right, but I hope not.  If he wants what Halladay now has, I'm thinking we're in trouble.

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I don't think anything has been clearly established.  Seems to me the situation has changed dramatically.  Oswalt could very well be asking for a 3 to 4 year extension to his contract.  If he's expecting the Astros to sign him to a free agent type deal that could easily be the case.  Oswalt on the free market?  Anything could happen.

Yeah. Consider yourselves lucky that I didn't type Et tu Drayton?

You may very well be right, but I hope not.  If he wants want Halladay now has, I'm thinking we're in trouble.

I don't think the Wallet will have any problem paying Roy. Good pitching is hard to find, let alone great pitching.

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I don't think anything has been clearly established.  Seems to me the situation has changed dramatically.  Oswalt could very well be asking for a 3 to 4 year extension to his contract.  If he's expecting the Astros to sign him to a free agent type deal that could easily be the case.  Oswalt on the free market?  Anything could happen.

Yeah. Consider yourselves lucky that I didn't type Et tu Drayton?

You may very well be right, but I hope not.  If he wants want Halladay now has, I'm thinking we're in trouble.

I think those numbers are minimum for Oswalt. If the Astros want that kind of pitcher, and I think they do, that's where their money is going to go.  I have heard nothing about any negotiations.  That's what we should be concerned about.

[mihoba]

I'm with Alkie on this   subject.

Pay him. Next issue.

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I don't think anything has been clearly established.  Seems to me the situation has changed dramatically.  Oswalt could very well be asking for a 3 to 4 year extension to his contract.  If he's expecting the Astros to sign him to a free agent type deal that could easily be the case.  Oswalt on the free market?  Anything could happen.

Yeah. Consider yourselves lucky that I didn't type Et tu Drayton?

You may very well be right, but I hope not.  If he wants want Halladay now has, I'm thinking we're in trouble.

I don't think the Wallet will have any problem paying Roy. Good pitching is hard to find, let alone great pitching.

The problem would be if Oswalt asked for a long-term deal (ie- over three years).  Oswalt has said he didn't want one, and Drayton has made it clear he doesn't want to give one.  So maybe this is much ado about nothing.  But, if Roy sees that inferior pitchers are getting huge deals through 2010--and if that is indeed what Roy wants--then I think we may have a problem.

[Fredia]

double agreement dont let another home grown player (usually a pitcher( go to another team over salary issues or lack of

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I don't think anything has been clearly established.  Seems to me the situation has changed dramatically.  Oswalt could very well be asking for a 3 to 4 year extension to his contract.  If he's expecting the Astros to sign him to a free agent type deal that could easily be the case.  Oswalt on the free market?  Anything could happen.

Yeah. Consider yourselves lucky that I didn't type Et tu Drayton?

You may very well be right, but I hope not.  If he wants want Halladay now has, I'm thinking we're in trouble.

I don't think the Wallet will have any problem paying Roy. Good pitching is hard to find, let alone great pitching.

The problem would be if Oswalt asked for a long-term deal (ie- over three years).  Oswalt has said he didn't want one, and Drayton has made it clear he doesn't want to give one.  So maybe this is much ado about nothing.  But, if Roy sees that inferior pitchers are getting huge deals through 2010--and if that is indeed what Roy wants--then I think we may have a problem.

Who is inferior? Halladay is the same caliber as Oswalt, and pravata's initial remark was that his extension seems to be comparable to the situation in Houston.

I think that Drayton might lose a little sleep over signing Roy through 2010, but I don't think he'll pass up the oppurtunity.

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I don't think anything has been clearly established.  Seems to me the situation has changed dramatically.  Oswalt could very well be asking for a 3 to 4 year extension to his contract.  If he's expecting the Astros to sign him to a free agent type deal that could easily be the case.  Oswalt on the free market?  Anything could happen.

Yeah. Consider yourselves lucky that I didn't type Et tu Drayton?

You may very well be right, but I hope not.  If he wants want Halladay now has, I'm thinking we're in trouble.

I don't think the Wallet will have any problem paying Roy. Good pitching is hard to find, let alone great pitching.

The problem would be if Oswalt asked for a long-term deal (ie- over three years).  Oswalt has said he didn't want one, and Drayton has made it clear he doesn't want to give one.  So maybe this is much ado about nothing.  But, if Roy sees that inferior pitchers are getting huge deals through 2010--and if that is indeed what Roy wants--then I think we may have a problem.

This is incorrect. When Oswalt last signed a contract, Purpura said he didn't want a contract that extended into his FA option.  Now, Oswalt is saying that if he doesn't have an extension on his current contract with the Astros by the end of March, he'll play under his current contract for this season, play out the option year, and file for free agency.

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I don't think anything has been clearly established.  Seems to me the situation has changed dramatically.  Oswalt could very well be asking for a 3 to 4 year extension to his contract.  If he's expecting the Astros to sign him to a free agent type deal that could easily be the case.  Oswalt on the free market?  Anything could happen.

Yeah. Consider yourselves lucky that I didn't type Et tu Drayton?

You may very well be right, but I hope not.  If he wants want Halladay now has, I'm thinking we're in trouble.

I don't think the Wallet will have any problem paying Roy. Good pitching is hard to find, let alone great pitching.

The problem would be if Oswalt asked for a long-term deal (ie- over three years).  Oswalt has said he didn't want one, and Drayton has made it clear he doesn't want to give one.  So maybe this is much ado about nothing.  But, if Roy sees that inferior pitchers are getting huge deals through 2010--and if that is indeed what Roy wants--then I think we may have a problem.

This is incorrect. When Oswalt last signed a contract, Purpura said he didn't want a contract that extended into his FA option.  Now, Oswalt is saying that if he doesn't have an extension on his current contract with the Astros by the end of March, he'll play under his current contract for this season, play out the option year, and file for free agency.

Okay.  So, he didn't want something beyond 2007 when he signed his last contract.  Now he does.  I see one problem and one potential problem:

1) As you note, the two don't seem to be negotiating, probably because the Astros think it's too early to negotiate an extension.  An unhappy Roy is a problem.

2) As I said before, if Roy wants a long-term deal like Halladay's, we may have a problem.  Who was the last pitcher Drayton signed to a deal over three years?  Swindell/Drabek?

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Who is inferior? Halladay is the same caliber as Oswalt, and pravata's initial remark was that his extension seems to be comparable to the situation in Houston.

I think that Drayton might lose a little sleep over signing Roy through 2010, but I don't think he'll pass up the oppurtunity.

Yes, I consider Halladay inferior to Oswalt.

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Who is inferior? Halladay is the same caliber as Oswalt, and pravata's initial remark was that his extension seems to be comparable to the situation in Houston.

I think that Drayton might lose a little sleep over signing Roy through 2010, but I don't think he'll pass up the oppurtunity.

Yes, I consider Halladay inferior to Oswalt.

Halladay.  The guy who was headed for the 2005 AL Cy Young until a liner broke his leg Halladay?  ERA of 2.41 last year over 19 starts.  He's Oswalt's equal in just about every way.

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Who is inferior? Halladay is the same caliber as Oswalt, and pravata's initial remark was that his extension seems to be comparable to the situation in Houston.

I think that Drayton might lose a little sleep over signing Roy through 2010, but I don't think he'll pass up the oppurtunity.

Yes, I consider Halladay inferior to Oswalt.

Halladay.  The guy who was headed for the 2005 AL Cy Young until a liner broke his leg Halladay?  ERA of 2.41 last year over 19 starts.  He's Oswalt's equal in just about every way.

That's the one.  I think Pettitte is better, too.

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Halladay.  The guy who was headed for the 2005 AL Cy Young until a liner broke his leg Halladay?  ERA of 2.41 last year over 19 starts.  He's Oswalt's equal in just about every way.

Of course, he did win the AL CY in 2003. I think it's safe to say they are both near the upper echelon in all of MLB.

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Halladay.  The guy who was headed for the 2005 AL Cy Young until a liner broke his leg Halladay?  ERA of 2.41 last year over 19 starts.  He's Oswalt's equal in just about every way.

Of course, he did win the AL CY in 2003. I think it's safe to say they are both near the upper echelon in all of MLB.

Agreed.

[Reuben]

Agents look for comparable players to their clients, preferably ones who recently signed deals. If ever there was an excellent comparable available, Halladay is it. And I'm sure Roy O's agent would be inclined to agree with you that he's a bit better than H.

edit: and yeah, Purp should probably be sending Ricciardi fuck you cards.

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Who is inferior? Halladay is the same caliber as Oswalt, and pravata's initial remark was that his extension seems to be comparable to the situation in Houston.

I think that Drayton might lose a little sleep over signing Roy through 2010, but I don't think he'll pass up the oppurtunity.

Yes, I consider Halladay inferior to Oswalt.

Halladay.  The guy who was headed for the 2005 AL Cy Young until a liner broke his leg Halladay?  ERA of 2.41 last year over 19 starts.  He's Oswalt's equal in just about every way.

Career ERA+
Oswalt 141
Halladay 127

Both great pitchers, and I agree Halladay's signing could impact the Astros' (and Oswalt's) thinking.

Given they are both they same age, that Oswalt has more wins at this point (in three less years -- really 2, or 1 1/2), while looking at consistency, and that Oswalt hasn't had the injury issues Halladay has... if I had to bet on whose career will end up better, or if I was forced to give one of them a big $$$, long-term contract, it wouldn't be a very difficult choice.


And, oh yeah, Oswalt's real comp is Tim Hudson.

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And, oh yeah, Oswalt's real comp is Tim Hudson.

According to  this, he's pretty close to Halladay, too.

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And, oh yeah, Oswalt's real comp is Tim Hudson.

According to  this, he's pretty close to Halladay, too.

That's only because RoyO is two years younger than Hudson.  The comp will pick Hudson up as the closest comp thru age 27, but not as 'similar pitcher'.  Whatever that means.  At any rate, Hudson's overall similarity score to Oswalt is higher than Halladay's.  

And, Halladay is about twice Roy's (and Hudson's) size, and is a different kind of pitcher.